Mynd44:

30,000 killed in the North is not forgivable I give that but throwing more lives and risking that of women and children to prove a point is also unforgivable.

Forget the "Super powers" outside support comes with war, America had support going into Iraq and Afganistan. There was no way they could have created a border that wont be eventually taken down the the federal forces decide to unleash the entire army.

Remember they took Delta back in waht was described as a "Police action"

General Ojukwu went into a gun fight with a letter opener and was too damn proud to run away so he can fight another day

The Nigerian army had the advantage of numbers and facilities but the Biafran army had the advantage of patriotism.

Like I said earlier, the war wasn't fought to be won. There were some background work on how to find possible ways of looking for sovereignty which some igbo elites wanted to do. And it was also a two way thing, if we had policed the Delta region well, the war would've ended in a stalemate whereby we would've used the delta sea for weaponry transaction and oil business (which was about to boom then).

So, in all we wanted peace through violence. Though it didn't work out the way we planned, Ojukwu acted like a father who's children were sent away from the playground.

Mynd44:

No. Only cowards decide to keep throwing bodies at the enemies in the hope of slowing them down. You can not fight a war with a power bigger than you and you think you can win based on bravery alone.

Ojukwu was totally unprepared for that war and to have kept on throwing lives was not just right.

Nigeria wasn't a bigger power than Biafra!

A lot of dynamics changed in the course of the war.

1. Ojukwu never expected to be fighting two super powers in Britain and USSR and then the Arabs in Egypt. he merely saw the war as Biafra vs Nigeria. He couldn't have predicted those unholy alliances.

2. He didn't expect the betrayal from some Eastern minorities, that led to the blockade of Biafra

3. He never expected that the mass killing and starvation tactics the Nigerian Army were employing were going to be tolerated by powers that be.


Ultimately, when he realized that none of these unexpected odds were going to go away, he surrendered!

pazienza:


Nigeria wasn't a bigger power than Biafra!

A lot of dynamics changed in the course of the war.

1. Ojukwu never expected to be fighting two super powers in Britain and USSR and then the Arabs in Egypt. he merely saw the war as Biafra vs Nigeria. He couldn't have predicted those unholy alliances.

2. He didn't expect the betrayal from some Eastern minorities, that led to the blockade of Biafra?

3. He never expected that the mass killing and starvation tactics the Nigerian Army were employing were going to be tolerated by powers that be.


Ultimately, when he realized that none of these unexpected odds were going to go away, he surrendered!

These are the reasons why I said General Ojukwu was not ready for war. Was he expecting a fair fight? My goodness, you are at war.

Oh and Nigeria was the bigger power.

VickJames:


The Nigerian army had the advantage of numbers and facilities but the Biafran army had the advantage of patriotism.

Like I said earlier, the war wasn't fought to be won. There were some background work on how to find possible ways of looking for sovereignty which some igbo elites wanted to do. And it was also a two way thing, if we had policed the Delta region well, the war would've ended in a stalemate whereby we would've used the delta sea for weaponry transaction and oil business (which was about to boom then).

So, in all we wanted peace through violence. Though it didn't work out the way we planned, Ojukwu acted like a father who's children were sent away from the playground.

If Delta was policed well, there was still no way a naval and air blockade could have been resisted. How do you want to fight the Nigerian Navy in open waters if they decide no ship passes the Bright of Biafra?

Mynd44:

If Delta was policed well, there was still no way a naval and air blockade could have been resisted. How do you want to fight the Nigerian Navy in open waters if they decide no ship passes the Bright of Biafra?

We'll take our chances.

All these decisions would've been taken with proper research on best moves to take.

Sibrah:
Why is it that the Igbos always try to align with the south-south?

That was the part of the story that got me angry.

The same south-south that's betrayed SE during the biafran war?

I don't know why we can't just stop attaching ourselves to those betrayals.

As for Danjuma,he is a fool for insulting Ojukwu.

pazienza:


Nigeria wasn't a bigger power than Biafra!

A lot of dynamics changed in the course of the war.

1. Ojukwu never expected to be fighting two super powers in Britain and USSR and then the Arabs in Egypt. he merely saw the war as Biafra vs Nigeria. He couldn't have predicted those unholy alliances.

2. He didn't expect the betrayal from some Eastern minorities, that led to the blockade of Biafra?

3. He never expected that the mass killing and starvation tactics the Nigerian Army were employing were going to be tolerated by powers that be.


Ultimately, when he realized that none of these unexpected odds were going to go away, he surrendered!

Ojukwu got aid from Israel and France. Steiner, a French pilot, was a mercenery of Biafra who carried air raids in the liberated Port Harcourt.

micolaj:
...people are naturally emotional rather than rational. Criticism is the greatest foe. They hate listening to the catastrophic tales of their self-caused past war.

what do you mean by "self caused war"....are you trying to sound grandiose and intelligent?

please research the immediate and remote cause of the Biafra war?

VickJames:


We'll take our chances.

All these decisions would've been taken with proper research on best moves to take.

Now you see why Danjuma said the war ought to have ended earlier?

Air and land superiority itself had won and lost the war

MzJackBaueress:

As for Danjuma,he is a fool for insulting Ojukwu.

I don't know about Danjuma's insult but the leaders of Biafra turned it into a Joystick waving contest instead of thinking of what was best for the people

Yolobas have highjacked the thread.
They have forgotten Ogundipe who ran away to UK without hearing a gunshot.
They have forgotten the same North killed Fajuyi.
They have forgotten the same North killed Abiola.
They have forgetten the same North killed Kudirat.
The same North jailed Awolowo and other yoloba leaders.
The same North roped coup allegation against Awolowo which cost him his life.
They have forgotten the same North killed Dele Giwa.
They have forgotten the same North made Oladikpo Diya cry before a recruit.
They have forgotten the same North ransacked Ore in 1999.
Ibadan traders were killed in North with their money taken away yolobas downplayed.
Yoloba pastors were the of the victims of BH attacks in churches in North yet they downplayed it.
Last week Oyedepo's church was burnt down in Kaduna, yolobass kept blind eyes.
They have forgotten the same North ransacked Oshogbo last month.
They don't know the same North ransacked Kwara this week.


Yolobas are busy defending the North, yolobass are busy fighting the Northerner war online but ofline they are not consider Muslims by the same North, the North don't marrry their Muslims women, the North don't allow yoloba iman to lead in prayer in Mosques in Yolobaland, Yoloba muslims are now worshiping on Sundays in yolobaland because they can't stand the Northern constant bullying.

Yolobas were killed during Cartoon Riots in North they downplayed it, they were killed duriing US invasion of Iraq they downplayed it, they were killed during Jos riots they always downplay it, they were killed during Miss World yet they downplayed in and keep defending the North.

When the NYSC members were killed in 2011 post election violence they came here jubilating that Igbos were been served right, when the list of victims came oout they donated five graduates while Igbos donated 3 yet they downplayed it.

Despite all these attacks and killings of yolobas nobody has heard that a yoloba person was attacked in East yet we are being insulted and accused of not accommodating by the same yolobas we consider their lives sacrosanct.

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Yolobaaaaaa ronuuuuuuuuuuu oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo



Igbos are not your problems, we love you and we wish you no misfortunes, face your tormentors and let us live.

Mynd44:

I don't know about Danjuma's insult but the leaders of Biafra turned it into a Joystick waving contest instead of thinking of what was best for the people

Ojukwu is dead. You people should allow the man rest in peace. If he is a villian to you,he is an unforgettable hero to Ndi Igbo.

Ojukwu was never and will never be the problem of Nigeria!

The Bitter Truth about Igbo. Season II.

MugabeRobert:


The coward used innocent and hopeless children as human shield and propaganda tool at the beginning while his kids were feeding fat but when Black Scorpion was closing on him he ran to Abidjan.

We saw Gaddafi fighting side by side his people and equally saw Saddam Hussain riding till the end but Ojukwu said he running to Abidjan to seek for peace. Uh! What peace are going to seek you coward after watching a record 3 million souls wasted? No wonder his father inlaw C.C Onu tagged him the cantankerous coward in his book. Fighting to the end, indeed.

MugabeRobert:


The coward used innocent and hopeless children as human shield and propaganda tool at the beginning while his kids were feeding fat but when Black Scorpion was closing on him he ran to Abidjan.

We saw Gaddafi fighting side by side his people and equally saw Saddam Hujkju
ssain riding till the end but Ojukwu said he running to Abidjan to seek for peace. Uh! What peace are going to seek you coward after watching a record 3 million souls wasted? No wonder his father inlaw C.C Onu tagged him the cantankerous coward in his book. Fighting to the end, indeed.

Biafran Army confortably handled the Nigerian incompetent Army fair and square, even with inferior weaponry! Ojukwu fought side by side with the Biafran soldiers, that's why he is held in high esteem by all Biafrans.


The civilian casualty was as a result of your useless army taking their frustration on Biafran civilians, after each round of whooping from the Biafran soldiers.

There are many videos on U tube of the Nigerian Army bombing of Biafran women and children in homes and market places, including hospitals, that was what increased the civilian casualty, you can't blame Ojukwu for being the cause of the death, simply because he was trying to show the world the unconventional means you lots were using to fight the war!

And then there was the case of Awo and Enahoro starvation policy.

Those were the stuffs that caused the casualties, not Ojukwu.

Mynd44:

Now you see why Danjuma said the war ought to have ended earlier?

Air and land superiority itself had won and lost the war

I get you, but no one stops war when he has a chance of chasing.

VickJames:


I get you, but no one stops war when he has a chance of chasing.

A chance of chasing against an enemy who knows he can crush you but has been soft peddling.

Bad tactic

MugabeRobert:


If there's any single individual that can lay claim to winning and beating the Biafrans during civil war that person is T.Y Danjuma!

Stop talking midnight folktales passed onto you by your parents serious.

And Danjuma was sleeping all the time ojukwu was alive?

Mynd44:

These are the reasons why I said General Ojukwu was not ready for war. Was he expecting a fair fight? My goodness, you are at war.

Oh and Nigeria was the bigger power.

Those were odds he couldn't have been able to predict, hindsight is always 20/20, there was simply no template for Ojukwu to copy from, nothing prepared him for those odds!

How could he have predicted Adaka Boro decision to lead the Nigerian Army in the war to seize the Biafran coastal line, when he had prominent Ijaw leaders on his side giving him assurances of 100 percent support, how could he have been prepared for Saro Wiwa opposition?

Wars are won and lost, it doesn't mean that those that lost are unprepared.


Nigeria was the bigger power? You mean without the unrestricted weapon supply they got from the British, they were the superior power?

They fought for conquest, Biafrans fought for freedom, without external interferences, Nigerians would have lost that war.

Has Nigeria ever won a war without international assistance, they lost Bakassi to Cameroun because nobody was willing to assist them.

They bought their victory from Niger Delta militants with amnesty.

Look at what Boko Haram did to them untill they seek for international help.

Biafran would have rounded Nigeria up without international help and assistance.

Who are these Nigeria soldier that faced Biafrans, yolobas without gut and hausa-foolanis without brains

Nigggga please forget about Nigeria military, a salary earning outpost for fulani boys that ran away from nomadic lifestyle.

pazienza:



Biafran Army confryhybj minionted Nigerian incompetent Army fair and square and killehubI vBulletind mhore of them, even with inferior weaponry! Ojukwu fought side by side with the Biafran soldiers, that's why he is held in high esteem by all Biafrans.


The civilian casualty was as a result of your useless army taking their frustration on Biafran civilians, after each round of whooping from the Biafran soldiers.

There are many videos on U tube of the Nigerian Army bombing of Biafran women and children in homes and market places, including hospitals, that was what increased the civilian casualty, you can't blame Ojukwu for being the cause of the death, simply because he was trying to show the world the unconventional means you lots were using to fight the war!

And then there was the case of Awo and Enahoro starvation policy.

Those are the stuffs that caused the casualties, not Ojukwu.

Segeggs:
danjuma was among the soldiers that made ojukwu flee to abidjan. Go and read the history.

And Danjuma had been at sleep all the time ojukwu was alive?

Mynd44:

A chance of chasing against an enemy who knows he can crush you but has been soft peddling.

Bad tactic

It was bad because you can see the outcome now. But you know some people have won wars with lesser military strength but higher military tactics.

There was a time the Biafran army were having a good time with the Nigerian army. So, we can't conclude that the Nigerian army had the better chance all the time the war was fought.

I have the documentary on the war, that's why I am telling you that the Biafra had their chance when they chased the Nigerian army down to Ore.

pazienza:


Those were odds he couldn't have been able to predict, hindsight is always 20/20, there was simply no template for Ojukwu to copy from, nothing prepared him for those odds!

How could he have predicted Adaka Boro decision to lead the Nigerian Army in the war to cease the Biafran coastal line, when he had prominent Ijaw leaders on his side giving him assurances of 100 percent support, how could he have been prepared for Saro Wiwa opposition?

Wars are won and lost, it doesn't mean that those that lost are unprepared.


Nigeria was the bigger power? You mean without the unrestricted weapon supply they got from the British, they were the superior power?

They fought for conquest, Biafrans fought for freedom, without external interferences, Nigerians would have lost that war.

You keep forgetting that France and Isreal supported General Ojukwu. Maybe you did not forget you just ignored that.

Do you agree that Nigeria could have created a naval and Air blockade on its own?

If Nigeria could have done that, there was no war again as there would be no way for supplies to come in.

pazienza:



Biafran Army confryhybj minionted Nigerian incompetent Army fair and square and killehubI vBulletind mhore of them, even with inferior weaponry! Ojukwu fought side by side with the Biafran soldiers, that's why he is held in high esteem by all Biafrans.


The civilian casualty was as a result of your useless army taking their frustration on Biafran civilians, after each round of whooping from the Biafran soldiers.

There are many videos on U tube of the Nigerian Army bombing of Biafran women and children in homes and market places, including hospitals, that was what increased the civilian casualty, you can't blame Ojukwu for being the cause of the death, simply because he was trying to show the world the unconventional means you lots were using to fight the war!

And then there was the case of Awo and Enahoro starvation policy.

Those are the stuffs that caused the casualties, not Ojukwu.

No no, you don't just get it ?

This thread is not about genocide or war criminals but about the coward Ojukwu. I never wanted to make any input here until I couldn't take your lies anymore when you said Ojukwu fought to the end. Which end? Only that this your fighting to the end involves running to Abidjan and quickly marrying another wife while his kinsmen are still under heavy bombardment from the war he initiated.
Secondly,
When the US couldn't end the WWII they resorted to using unconventional means by dropping nukes on Japanese.

After all, the Biafrans were not playing by the rules hence many many atrocities they committed on civilian populace. Besides, the civil war was rather an unconventional war hence there wasn't any rules of engagement.

Again, Ojukwu can be anything but a hero.

VickJames:


It was bad because you can see the outcome now. But you know some people have won wars with lesser military strength but higher military tactics.

There was a time the Biafran army were having a good time with the Nigerian army. So, we can't conclude that the Nigerian army had the better chance all the time the war was fought.

I have the documentary on the war, that's why I am telling you that the Biafra had their chance when they chased the Nigerian army down to Ore.

You can see that chasing them down to Ore was the turning point and that was when they decided to get serious.

What was the gain if the Nigerian military had gone out to fight all out from the start? Nothing but deaths they wanted to avoid

Do you know Ambode graduated as an accountant from University of Lagos at the age of 21?

Do you know he became a Chartered accountant at the age of 24 ?

Do you know he became a fellow of the Institute of chartered accountants at the age of 36 ?

Do you know he was the second best graduating student in WAEC+HSE at Federal government college Warri ?

Do you know JK was a strong Tinubu boy in ACN but left the party when Tinubu decided to pick fashola over him simply because Tinubu felt fashola would do better in governance because he is a lawyer and SAN while JK is just a Pharmacist ? Do you know it was the potentials that Tinubu saw in Fashola that now became evident to all of us in the governance of Fashola ?

Do you know Ambode was the Accountant General of Lagos state when Federal Government was not giving Lagos state any Allocation at all for some years(Tinubu was the governor) ? And Ambode/Tinubu had to put creative minds together to run lagos for four years(despite the huge population and responsibility) ?

Do you know Ambode has 26 years of Administrative/accounting experience ?

Ambode is a quiet man and he does not blow his horn too loud, but he is quality, just like Fashola.

Let's put sentiments aside, let's vote in the best interest of lagos.

Ambo, Atide. Eko oni Baje.

lovat:
cramjones, why are you still acting stupid with this your new moniker, go get a life and start acquiring sense cos you need it in quantum

Mr man I'm not cramjones. I know the guy you are talking about

BuddahMonk:
Has Nigeria ever won a war without international assistance, they lost Bakassi to Cameroun because nobody was willing to assist them.

They bought their victory from Niger Delta militants with amnesty.

Look at what Boko Haram did to them untill they seek for international help.

Biafran would have rounded Nigeria up without international help and assistance.

Who are these Nigeria soldier that faced Biafrans, yolobas without gut and hausa-foolanis without brains

Nigggga please forget about Nigeria military, a salary earning outpost for fulani boys that ran away from nomadic lifestyle.

Allow me to post this Onenaira6 master piece! Every Igbo man should bookmark and archive this post below.


"I always find it laughable when you ppl use a nigerian
military to boast and blame GEJ for their weakness.
Incase you weren't aware, your military has ALWAYS
been weak
Didn't your military fight the militants in the past? Did
they defeat them? Didn't they end up going after
innocent citizen aka Odi massacre just to get at the
militant yet the militant still played them around like
football? If it wasn't GEJ going to them to beg them to
stop and take the Amnesty Yaradua offered, they
would still be playing your military for football.
Reason why is because no other nation got involved
to assist them. The only times your military ever won
anything is by the assistance of other nations.
Name one fight Nigerian military have been in where
they won the fight or actually had an upper hand prior
to other African or western nations assisting them.
Just name one
The only other time no country was willing to assist
Nigeria in it's fight against another was during the
Cameroon and Nigeria swamble over Bakassi. Tell us
what happemed? didn't una hand over Bakassi to
Cameroon without a single gunshot.
I laugh whenever you people use that weak@ss
military to boast. Just too funy!!"

Mynd44:

You can see that chasing them down to Ore was the turning point and that was when they decided to get serious.

What was the gain if the Nigerian military had gone out to fight all out from the start? Nothing but deaths they wanted to avoid

Nigerians went all out to fight from the start! They were already attacking Biafra from Gakem border, modern day Cross river, when the Biafrans made the match to Ore!

Nigeria Generals having gotten unlimited supply of weapons from the British and other allies were so confident they will crush Biafrans in a matter of a month, cos they knew the weapon advantage was with them.

Britain made sure Biafra was starved of weapons, while, Nigeria was swimming in weapons, France that was initially giving Biafra meagre weapons, were soon forced to stand down by the British and other Caucasian powers that be.


Dont make it seem like Biafra attacked Nigeria first, the Biafran match to Lagos that was stopped at Ore was defensive and reactionary to Nigerians invasion of Gakem!

pazienza:


Nigerians went all out to fight from the start! They were already attaching Biafra from Gakem border, modern day Cross river, when the Biafrans made the match to Odi.

Nigeria Generals having gotten unlimited weapons from the British and other allies were so confident they will crush Biafrans in a matter of a month, cos they knew the weapon advantage was with them.

Britain made sure Biafra was starved of weapons, while, while Nigeria were swimming in weapons, France that was initially giving Biafra meagre weapons, were soon forced to stand down by the British and other Caucasian powers that be.


Dont make it seem like Biafra attacked Nigeria first, the Biafran match to Lagos that was stopped at Ore was defensive and reactionary to Nigerians invasion of Gakem!

You carved out a section of a sovereign nation and you except them not to declare war? That action itself is a declaration of war na. It is just a matter of who shot the first cannon.

This comment was made by someone here

The Nigerian army had the advantage of numbers and facilities but the Biafran army had the advantage of patriotism.

Right from the start the federal forces were in a better position to win. It was too easy seeing the way they took Delta.

Remember they have the facilities to enforce a naval blockade from the start but they did not because they wanted to reduce casualty figures.

Marching to Lagos was a pipe dream that should not be thought. He did not have the resources!!!

Mynd44:

You can see that chasing them down to Ore was the turning point and that was when they decided to get serious.

What was the gain if the Nigerian military had gone out to fight all out from the start? Nothing but deaths they wanted to avoid

The Nigerian army were the ones who brought the fight to the Biafran door step, Biafra didn't go and fight against them.
The turning point was when the Biafran army began to lack weapons and food supplies.

You should know that America and United Kingdom were supplying Nigeria weapons while they were supplying Biafra medical supplies.

abduljabbar4:

Mr man I'm not cramjones. I know the guy you are talking about

shut up your bloody mouth, I can reroute your isp out of your hands.

VickJames:


The Nigerian army were the ones who brought the fight to the Biafran door step, Biafra didn't go and fight against them.
The turning point was when the Biafran army began to lack weapons and food supplies.

You should know that America and United Kingdom were supplying Nigeria weapons while they were supplying Biafra medical supplies.

Carving out a piece of any nation is a declaration of war.