The following quranic verses seem to suggest there is a meeting point between Christianity and Islam:

If thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that
which We reveal unto thee, then question (ask) those who
read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily
the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee(Quran 10:94).

And who believe in that which is
revealed unto thee (Muhammad) and that which was
revealed before thee, and are certain of the Hereafter (Quran 2:4)

Say (O Muslims): We believe in that
which is revealed unto us and that which was
revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac,
and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses
and Jesus received, and that which the prophets
received from their Lord. We make no distinction
between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered (Quran 2:136).

How come they unto thee for
judgment when they have the Torah, wherein Allah
hath delivered judgment (for them)? Yet even
after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers (Quran 5:43).

And We caused Jesus, son of
Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming
that which was (revealed) before him, and We
bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance
and a light, confirming that which was (revealed)
before it in the Torah - a guidance and an
admonition unto those who ward off (evil) Quran 5:46.

No doubt, if the Jews' and Christians' Scriptures have been corrupted as alleged, no one would expect allah to have made those statements. Or was it after the statements allah discovered that they were corrupted? Muslims have some explanations to make to clear the quran of inconsistencies in this area.

I think the first thing muslims need to do is to determine if their prophet is truly credible.

PastorKun:
I think the first thing muslims need to do is to determine if their prophet is truly credible.

Exactly, then source for some evidence to check the credibility of the quran as well.

PastorKun:
I think the first thing muslims need to do is to determine if their prophet is truly credible.

Yes, and even the credibility of the sender of the 'prophet' too.

I won't be surprised if the muslims have nothing to say. In difficult cases like this, they say they are ignoring the post.

Islamic scholars claim that we have lost the original copy of the Scripture/Bible that Mohammed recommended to muslims, but they fail to provide them. This makes us to question the capability of their Allah in preserving his words. But for us Christian (people of the Book), heaven and earth may pass away but Jehovah's word will surely abide forever. According to scholars, presently, Bible has more manuscript, historical and archaological evidences than any other ancient book...http://www.answeringislam.org http://www.reasonablefaith.org

Obiekmos:
Islamic scholars claim that we have lost the original copy of the Scripture/Bible that Mohammed recommended to muslims, but they fail to provide them. This makes us to question the capability of their Allah in preserving his words. But for us Christian (people of the Book), heaven and earth may pass away but Jehovah's word will surely abide forever. According to scholars, presently, Bible has more manuscript, historical and archaological evidences than any other ancient book...http://www.answeringislam.org http://www.reasonablefaith.org

Good talk.

Allah/Muhammad recommended the bible to muslims, yet they say it was corrupted. How could they make the corrupted bible a book of reference? Many things are seriously wrong with the quran and its author. If the quran is wrong, what is the fate of billions of muslims, dead and living?

Recycling an old topic after it has been treated before seems to be your trademark. What did you not understand about explanations in the former discussion on this topic? Or are you trying to get us to ignore the post so you can crow over how Muslims cannot answer you?

For the nth time. The Qur'an states that the Injeel was given to Jesus which he preached (Rilwayne001 opened a thread on that, you people did not know what to say). The Bible is a collection of picked, mostly anonymously written 'scripture', chosen arbitrarily from among thousands of similar 'scriptures' by the Nicean council in the 4th century CE to affirm the established doctrine of the trinitarian church. The Injeel cannot therefore, be the same as the bible.

Jesus never read or preached the 'New Testament'; he preached the words of the injeel. Therefore, the Injeel cannot be the Bible.

Jesus did not write anything of the Injeel down; therefore the Bible cannot be the Injeel. It can only contain part of it.

Some of the traditions within the extant bible, relating to his sayings, MIGHT be true. It is impossible to extract sand from garri now. So we see it as corrupted (see definition of corrupted in the dictionary). It is a common fallacy that Muslims say that the entire bible is false; we say it is corrupted; that is, other doctrines have been mixed in.

God does not make mistakes or contradict himself. The Bible; both OT and NT are full of errors, contradictions and mistakes. Therefore the bible cannot be the Injeel given to Jesus by God.

Once more, for the sake of the blind, deaf, dumb and mentally challenged, Allah endorsed the Injeel, NOT the extant Bible.

Lastly, I have no respect for any person who says that the Quran should be verified, while he believes in a bible that has no certainty of authorship... even according to bible scholars. It shows that he/she is so blind to the beam in his/ her eyes, that there is no way I can expect him/ her to point out any purported speck in mine.

Now wait 2 days then go open another robotic thread on the same topic; copy-pasting the same tired narrative from the same tired website.

Abuamam:
Recycling an old topic after it has been treated before seems to be your trademark. What did you not understand about explanations in the former discussion on this topic? Or are you trying to get us to ignore the post so you can crow over how Muslims cannot answer you?

For the nth time. The Qur'an states that the Injeel was given to Jesus which he preached (Rilwayne001 opened a thread on that, you people did not know what to say). The Bible is a collection of picked, mostly anonymously written 'scripture', chosen arbitrarily from among thousands of similar 'scriptures' by the Nicean council in the 4th century CE to affirm the established doctrine of the trinitarian church. The Injeel cannot therefore, be the same as the bible.

Jesus never read or preached the 'New Testament'; he preached the words of the injeel. Therefore, the Injeel cannot be the Bible.

Jesus did not write anything of the Injeel down; therefore the Bible cannot be the Injeel. It can only contain part of it.

Some of the traditions within the extant bible, relating to his sayings, MIGHT be true. It is impossible to extract sand from garri now. So we see it as corrupted (see definition of corrupted in the dictionary). It is a common fallacy that Muslims say that the entire bible is false; we say it is corrupted; that is, other doctrines have been mixed in.

God does not make mistakes or contradict himself. The Bible; both OT and NT are full of errors, contradictions and mistakes. Therefore the bible cannot be the Injeel given to Jesus by God.

Once more, for the sake of the blind, deaf, dumb and mentally challenged, Allah endorsed the Injeel, NOT the extant Bible.

Lastly, I have no respect for any person who says that the Quran should be verified, while he believes in a bible that has no certainty of authorship... even according to bible scholars. It shows that he/she is so blind to the beam in his/ her eyes, that there is no way I can expect him/ her to point out any purported speck in mine.

Now wait 2 days then go open another robotic thread on the same topic; copy-pasting the same tired narrative from the same tired website.

Trash!

Only one question is asked.

Allah recommended the Jews and Christians Scriptures to Muhammad. He later said the Scriptures are corrupted. The question therefore is: Was he (allah) not aware of the corruption before he recommended same to Muhammad? Simple.

Abuamam:
Recycling an old topic after it has been treated before seems to be your trademark. What did you not understand about explanations in the former discussion on this topic? Or are you trying to get us to ignore the post so you can crow over how Muslims cannot answer you?

For the nth time. The Qur'an states that the Injeel was given to Jesus which he preached (Rilwayne001 opened a thread on that, you people did not know what to say). The Bible is a collection of picked, mostly anonymously written 'scripture', chosen arbitrarily from among thousands of similar 'scriptures' by the Nicean council in the 4th century CE to affirm the established doctrine of the trinitarian church. The Injeel cannot therefore, be the same as the bible.

Jesus never read or preached the 'New Testament'; he preached the words of the injeel. Therefore, the Injeel cannot be the Bible.

Jesus did not write anything of the Injeel down; therefore the Bible cannot be the Injeel. It can only contain part of it.

Some of the traditions within the extant bible, relating to his sayings, MIGHT be true. It is impossible to extract sand from garri now. So we see it as corrupted (see definition of corrupted in the dictionary). It is a common fallacy that Muslims say that the entire bible is false; we say it is corrupted; that is, other doctrines have been mixed in.

God does not make mistakes or contradict himself. The Bible; both OT and NT are full of errors, contradictions and mistakes. Therefore the bible cannot be the Injeel given to Jesus by God.

Once more, for the sake of the blind, deaf, dumb and mentally challenged, Allah endorsed the Injeel, NOT the extant Bible.

Lastly, I have no respect for any person who says that the Quran should be verified, while he believes in a bible that has no certainty of authorship... even according to bible scholars. It shows that he/she is so blind to the beam in his/ her eyes, that there is no way I can expect him/ her to point out any purported speck in mine.

Now wait 2 days then go open another robotic thread on the same topic; copy-pasting the same tired narrative from the same tired website.

all what you say here is nonsense. If they say a book is corrupt,this statement means the book is the original but men corrupt it, you cannot corrupt a false book. with the quranic verses the op quote, why will Allah ask you to seek for guidance in the early scripture if he know men will corrupted it? Does this seems like the character of a ominipotent God?

I think the problem of you Christians is high level of ignorance. That is why Jesus, according to you bible, says most of his people will perish because they are ignorant.

In Islam, bible is never referred to as the word of God but the Injil. The injil is the scripture revealed to Prophet Isa (Jesus christ) and not the bible. The word Bible is derived from the Greek word biblo, which means collection of books. While the injil, some translate it as Gospel.

That is why you will see in the beginning of the books that comprises the new Testament, "Gospel According to".

Note the word "According To". For instant, Gospel According to Mark.

In English language, the word "According to" means that what so and so says or believed in but not necessarily the person narrating it believed in it. So, the book "Gospel According to Mark,", that is part of the New Testament, is a book written by someone on what Mark believes or narrated of the teachings of Jesus. Such narration is not God's word. If you carefully, without any iota bigotry in you mind and head, study the Qur'an, you will understand the difference between the word of God and words of narration by men, which your bible represents.

Trustworthiness:
I think the problem of you Christians is high level of ignorance. That is why Jesus, according to you bible, says most of his people will perish because they are ignorant.

In Islam, bible is never referred to as the word of God but the Injil. The injil is the scripture revealed to Prophet Isa (Jesus christ) and not the bible. The word Bible is derived from the Greek word biblo, which means collection of books. While the injil, some translate it as Gospel.

That is why you will see in the beginning of the books that comprises the new Testament, "Gospel According to".

Note the word "According To". For instant, Gospel According to Mark.

In English language, the word "According to" means that what so and so says or believed in but not necessarily the person narrating it believed in it. So, the book "Gospel According to Mark,", that is part of the New Testament, is a book written by someone on what Mark believes or narrated of the teachings of Jesus. Such narration is not God's word. If you carefully, without any iota bigotry in you mind and head, study the Qur'an, you will understand the difference between the word of God and words of narration by men, which your bible represents.

My friend, your post is irrelevant to the question raised.

Was it the Bible or Torah and Injeel allah said were corrupted and yet recommended them to Muhammad? If the Bible is not the same as Torah and Injeel according to you, it means allah was not referring to the Bible as corrupt but Torah and Injeel.

Now answer the question all of you have been dodging: Was allah not aware of the corruption of the Jews and Christians Scripture before he recommended them to Muhammad?

We Muslims have clear understanding of what the Quran says. Mere looking at what you type in your post already shows you are trying to translate the verse of the Quran to suite your bigot mind. See below the true translation and explanation of one of the verses you quoted below:

Quran 10:94. And if you (O reader!) are in doubt regarding that which We have revealed to you, ask those who have read this Book (- the Qur’ân) before you. (They will tell you that) there has, in fact, come to you the perfect truth from your Lord, so be not of the contenders at all.

فَإِن كُنتَ فِي شَكٍّ مِّمَّا أَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ فَاسْأَلِ الَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْكِتَابَ مِن قَبْلِكَ ۚ لَقَدْ جَاءَكَ الْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ

Explanation:

10:94 “And if you are in doubt”(فَإِن كُنتَ فِي شَكٍّ); in doubt is that particular reader of the Holy Book who because of his limited Divine knowledge is unable to grasp the underlying meanings and the message. If someone is unable to understand the message being conveyed, he is advised to refer to the explanation given by the people blessed with Divine knowledge. As such people may be difficult to find in the age of the reader, the reader is told to refer to the explanations given by the learned of the past; “who were before him”. This verse is under attack by Christian missionaries, and is one of their favourite to try and prove that the Holy Prophet was in great doubt, so he should consult the learned of the past; Christians and Jews. Some simple minded Muslims get easily convinced and are misled with this argument and start to think that the Holy Prophet (pbuh) is being addressed here,however, this is not the case. Neither 94 nor 95 are being addressed to the Holy Prophet (pbuh), but to the readers of the Holy Qur'ân endowed with less knowledge and weak in belief. The meaning of this becomes clear when we read the admonition in verse 95: “Be not of those who cry lies to the messages of Allâh” (Râzî). The Holy Prophet never cried lies to the messages he received from the Exalted One. It is the reader who out of lack of knowledge and misunderstanding rejects the messages of the Holy Qur’ân. Moreover, in the words, “Which We have revealed to you” no doubt tells us that the recipient of the Revelation was the Holy Prophet and not the reader; still it is not a proof that the Holy Prophet is being addressed here. Careful reading of the following verses makes the subject matter clear. The opening words of the next section we read: “Say, O you people! If you are in doubt regarding my creed,” (10:104) refer to those addressed in 10:94. The Holy Prophet (pbuh) is said to have the greatest certainty about the Revelation which he received and never doubted. Similarly in 17:23 we read “Your Lord has enjoined you to be good to parents". Here too the reader is being addressed, and not the Holy Prophet (pbuh) who was an orphan child.

truthman2012:
The following quranic verses seem to suggest there is a meeting point between Christianity and Islam:

If thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that
which We reveal unto thee, then question (ask) those who
read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily
the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee(Quran 10:94).

And who believe in that which is
revealed unto thee (Muhammad) and that which was
revealed before thee, and are certain of the Hereafter (Quran 2:4)

Say (O Muslims): We believe in that
which is revealed unto us and that which was
revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac,
and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses
and Jesus received, and that which the prophets
received from their Lord. We make no distinction
between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered (Quran 2:136).

How come they unto thee for
judgment when they have the Torah, wherein Allah
hath delivered judgment (for them)? Yet even
after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers (Quran 5:43).

And We caused Jesus, son of
Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming
that which was (revealed) before him, and We
bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance
and a light, confirming that which was (revealed)
before it in the Torah - a guidance and an
admonition unto those who ward off (evil) Quran 5:46.

No doubt, if the Jews' and Christians' Scriptures have been corrupted as alleged, no one would expect allah to have made those statements. Or was it after the statements allah discovered that they were corrupted? Muslims have some explanations to make to clear the quran of inconsistencies in this area.

For the second verse of the Quran quoted, see below:

Quran 2:4. And who (also) believe in that (Message) which has been revealed to you and in that which had been revealed before you, and who have firm faith in the Hereafter.

وَٱلَّذِينَ يُؤْمِنُونَ بِمَآ أُنزِلَ إِلَيْكَ وَمَآ أُنزِلَ مِن قَبْلِكَ

Explanation:

2:4“That was revealed before you”مَآ أُنزِلَ مِن قَبْلِكَ - is a reference to one of the fundamental doctrines of the continuity of Divine revelations taught in the Holy Qur’ân. In these words the Divine origin of all those religions is admitted that have the claim of being as such. This is testified in the following words: "And indeed We have sent Messengers before you. There are some of them whom We have mentioned to you (in this Qur’ân) and there are some whom We have not mentioned to you." (40:78).

The Holy Qur’ân thus requires a belief not only in its own truth, but in the truth brought by the previous messengers and their Scriptures. It thus infuses a spirit of allegiance and reverence not only to Moses and Jesus, but also to all others with their founders; whether they be Krishna, Confucius, Lao Zi or Buddha. Mâ unzila min qablikوَمَا أُنزِلَ مِن قَبْلِكَ indicates the acceptance that we must have towards other religions and fosters feelings of great respect. Hindus, Christians and Jews, while claiming Divine origin of their faith, deny this generosity to the adherents of other faiths. This becomes the root cause of hatred between the nations and has often resulted in untold bloodshed. The Holy Qur’ân eradicates the very idea leading to discord and dispute between nations and religions. It teaches that every nation has been blessed with a teacher from Allâh (35:24; 2:80). In these words there is a declaration that all the prophets in various lands came from Allâh and brought the same light from One Divine source. This provides great hope towards the promotion of peace, harmony and tolerance among the followers of different religions.

truthman2012:
The following quranic verses seem to suggest there is a meeting point between Christianity and Islam:

If thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that
which We reveal unto thee, then question (ask) those who
read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Verily
the Truth from thy Lord hath come unto thee(Quran 10:94).

And who believe in that which is
revealed unto thee (Muhammad) and that which was
revealed before thee, and are certain of the Hereafter (Quran 2:4)

Say (O Muslims): We believe in that
which is revealed unto us and that which was
revealed unto Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac,
and Jacob, and the tribes, and that which Moses
and Jesus received, and that which the prophets
received from their Lord. We make no distinction
between any of them, and unto Him we have surrendered (Quran 2:136).

How come they unto thee for
judgment when they have the Torah, wherein Allah
hath delivered judgment (for them)? Yet even
after that they turn away. Such (folk) are not believers (Quran 5:43).

And We caused Jesus, son of
Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming
that which was (revealed) before him, and We
bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance
and a light, confirming that which was (revealed)
before it in the Torah - a guidance and an
admonition unto those who ward off (evil) Quran 5:46.

No doubt, if the Jews' and Christians' Scriptures have been corrupted as alleged, no one would expect allah to have made those statements. Or was it after the statements allah discovered that they were corrupted? Muslims have some explanations to make to clear the quran of inconsistencies in this area.

Trustworthiness:
We Muslims have clear understanding of what the Quran says. Mere looking at what you type in your post already shows you are trying to translate the verse of the Quran to suite your bigot mind. See below the true translation and explanation of one of the verses you quoted below:

Quran 10:94. And if you (O reader!) are in doubt regarding that which We have revealed to you, ask those who have read this Book (- the Qur’ân) before you. (They will tell you that) there has, in fact, come to you the perfect truth from your Lord, so be not of the contenders at all.

فَإِن كُنتَ فِي شَكٍّ مِّمَّا أَنزَلْنَا إِلَيْكَ فَاسْأَلِ الَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْكِتَابَ مِن قَبْلِكَ ۚ لَقَدْ جَاءَكَ الْحَقُّ مِن رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ

Explanation:

10:94 “And if you are in doubt”(فَإِن كُنتَ فِي شَكٍّ); in doubt is that particular reader of the Holy Book who because of his limited Divine knowledge is unable to grasp the underlying meanings and the message. If someone is unable to understand the message being conveyed, he is advised to refer to the explanation given by the people blessed with Divine knowledge. As such people may be difficult to find in the age of the reader, the reader is told to refer to the explanations given by the learned of the past; “who were before him”. This verse is under attack by Christian missionaries, and is one of their favourite to try and prove that the Holy Prophet was in great doubt, so he should consult the learned of the past; Christians and Jews. Some simple minded Muslims get easily convinced and are misled with this argument and start to think that the Holy Prophet (pbuh) is being addressed here,however, this is not the case. Neither 94 nor 95 are being addressed to the Holy Prophet (pbuh), but to the readers of the Holy Qur'ân endowed with less knowledge and weak in belief. The meaning of this becomes clear when we read the admonition in verse 95: “Be not of those who cry lies to the messages of Allâh” (Râzî). The Holy Prophet never cried lies to the messages he received from the Exalted One. It is the reader who out of lack of knowledge and misunderstanding rejects the messages of the Holy Qur’ân. Moreover, in the words, “Which We have revealed to you” no doubt tells us that the recipient of the Revelation was the Holy Prophet and not the reader; still it is not a proof that the Holy Prophet is being addressed here. Careful reading of the following verses makes the subject matter clear. The opening words of the next section we read: “Say, O you people! If you are in doubt regarding my creed,” (10:104) refer to those addressed in 10:94. The Holy Prophet (pbuh) is said to have the greatest certainty about the Revelation which he received and never doubted. Similarly in 17:23 we read “Your Lord has enjoined you to be good to parents". Here too the reader is being addressed, and not the Holy Prophet (pbuh) who was an orphan child.

Stop lying my friend. Allah was referring Muhammad to readers of the earlier scriptures before the quran, according to 10:94.

Answer these questions and your lies will be exposed:

Who read or knew the quran before Muhammad that allah was referring him to?

How could allah refer him to readers of quran that was just being formed at that time?

Who knew the quran better than Muhammad, the receiver of the revelation that allah would be referring to?

Because of the many errors in the quran, which muslims are trying to cover up these days by translating and re-translating, in no long time, the whole of the quran will be changed.

When will you stop deceiving yourselves?

In this verse you quoted, we Muslims believe in what was revealed to all the prophets from God and not what they called the book of God that as have been tampered with or written by themselves. See below.



Quran 2:136. Say, ‘We believe in Allâh and in that (the Qur’ân) which has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Abraham and Ismâîl and Isaac and Jacob and his children, and what was given to Moses and Jesus and (we believe) in what was given to (all other) Prophets from their Lord. We (while believing in them) make no discrimination between anyone of them, and to Him do we submit ourselves entirely.’

قُولُوا آمَنَّا بِاللَّهِ وَمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْنَا وَمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَىٰ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ وَإِسْحَاقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالْأَسْبَاطِ وَمَا أُوتِيَ مُوسَىٰ وَعِيسَىٰ وَمَا أُوتِيَ النَّبِيُّونَ مِن رَّبِّهِمْ لَا نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّنْهُمْ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ

Explanation:

2:136 This verse also relates the cosmopolitan nature of Qur’ânic teaching. All prophets of Allâh and all revelations coming from Him must be accepted; no distinction is to be made between one prophet and any other. The Holy Qur’ân recognizes the prophet of the Jews and the Christians, and the prophets of all the other nations. The Jew thinks that God revealed the truth only to the Israelites; The Christian thinks that the truth was revealed only to Jesus; The Hindu thinks that God revealed the truth only to the sages of India and Zoroastrian thinks that the truth was revealed to Zoroaster alone. The Buddhists are no different. It is part of the merit of Islam that it is the only religion that recognizes the prophets of all countries and of all nations, and of all times.

Trustworthiness:
In this verse you quoted, we Muslims believe in what was revealed to all the prophets from God and not what they called the book of God that as have been tampered with or written by themselves. See below.



Quran 2:136. Say, ‘We believe in Allâh and in that (the Qur’ân) which has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Abraham and Ismâîl and Isaac and Jacob and his children, and what was given to Moses and Jesus and (we believe) in what was given to (all other) Prophets from their Lord. We (while believing in them) make no discrimination between anyone of them, and to Him do we submit ourselves entirely.’

قُولُوا آمَنَّا بِاللَّهِ وَمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَيْنَا وَمَا أُنزِلَ إِلَىٰ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ وَإِسْحَاقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالْأَسْبَاطِ وَمَا أُوتِيَ مُوسَىٰ وَعِيسَىٰ وَمَا أُوتِيَ النَّبِيُّونَ مِن رَّبِّهِمْ لَا نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِّنْهُمْ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ

Explanation:

2:136 This verse also relates the cosmopolitan nature of Qur’ânic teaching. All prophets of Allâh and all revelations coming from Him must be accepted; no distinction is to be made between one prophet and any other. The Holy Qur’ân recognizes the prophet of the Jews and the Christians, and the prophets of all the other nations. The Jew thinks that God revealed the truth only to the Israelites; The Christian thinks that the truth was revealed only to Jesus; The Hindu thinks that God revealed the truth only to the sages of India and Zoroastrian thinks that the truth was revealed to Zoroaster alone. The Buddhists are no different. It is part of the merit of Islam that it is the only religion that recognizes the prophets of all countries and of all nations, and of all times.

Which of my questions are you answering here? You seem to be beating about the bush.

I don't care what you believe, my interest is my questions.

Trustworthiness:
I think the problem of you Christians is high level of ignorance. That is why Jesus, according to you bible, says most of his people will perish because they are ignorant.

In Islam, bible is never referred to as the word of God but the Injil. The injil is the scripture revealed to Prophet Isa (Jesus christ) and not the bible. The word Bible is derived from the Greek word biblo, which means collection of books. While the injil, some translate it as Gospel.

That is why you will see in the beginning of the books that comprises the new Testament, "Gospel According to".

Note the word "According To". For instant, Gospel According to Mark.

In English language, the word "According to" means that what so and so says or believed in but not necessarily the person narrating it believed in it. So, the book "Gospel According to Mark,", that is part of the New Testament, is a book written by someone on what Mark believes or narrated of the teachings of Jesus. Such narration is not God's word. If you carefully, without any iota bigotry in you mind and head, study the Qur'an, you will understand the difference between the word of God and words of narration by men, which your bible represents.

Surah 45:16: And verily WE GAVE THE CHILDREN OF ISREAL THE SCRIPTURE and the Command and the Prophethood, and provided them with good things and favoured them above all peoples. (Pickthall)

English dictionary defined scripture as bible.your explanation is full of error.
Jesus did not write any book, he preach and his disciples and witnesses wrote what he preach, you muslims are the one who need to be worried because in the quran we read how Allah continuously referring muslims to the early scripture to see how serious he is, where is the scripture?(if not the bible)

Surah 10:94: If thou wert in doubt
as to what We have revealed unto
thee, then ask those who have been
reading the Book from before thee:
the Truth hath indeed come to thee
from thy Lord: so be in no wise of
those in doubt. (Yusuf Ali)

those who have been reading the Book from before thee are christians and Jews.

How my post is relevant is this. Christians believed that Bible in what the Quran is referring to but not.

Secondly, where God told us to believe in the book revealed before the Quran, does not mean we are to follow it but to believe that truly those books of revelation were before in existence and Truely are revealed to the past prophets. The Quran has superseded all other Holy books revealed to those past prophets. So, God almighty have decided to preserve the Quran since the Quran will be the last Testament to all mankind and Jinn as well. Due to the promise of God to preserve the Quran, that is why the Quran is still in its original form of its revelation. And it will be preserve till the end of time.

Thirdly, when we say a book has been corrupted, it means the original message has been tampered with or what is been presented is not or totally different from the original book revealed.

So, the originality of Torah and Injil (not bible) have been lost due to the way we human beings decided to always disobey God. Example of true teachings of christ is the preaching of oneness of God as you can see in book called Gospel of Mark 12: 28-33.

28
KJV:And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29
KJV:And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30
KJV:And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31
KJV:And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
32
KJV:And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
33
KJV:And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

So, the essence of quoting the above verses of the bible is that all prophets of God believed that God is one. The priest that asked Jesus the first commandment were asking based on Torah with them. Just to be sure Jesus is Truely a prophet of God. Because all prophets of God preaches that there is only one God, the apha and omega.

So, God almighty is not recommending the Torah or the Bible for Muslims to follow, because the Quranic messages have superseded those of the Torah and Injil. But, to acknowledge that those books have been revealed to earlier prophets be him.

Lastly, you Christians believe or concept of God is to shallow. Even when the bible says, with God all things are possible.
We Muslims do not believe that the knowledge of God is bound by space and time. The knowledge of God almighty is all encompassing, without bound. He has the knowledge of the past, present and future. He has the knowledge of what is visible and what not is visible to mankind. He has the knowledge of what he hidden and what is exposed. He has the knowledge of what you about to think of in the next microsecond or time smaller than that. He has the knowledge of what occupies every space on earth and the heavens. His knowledge is all encompassing. Not bound by space and time.
So, you need to get this straight and clear in your mind whenever we are talking of God almighty that revealed the Quran and all other books of revelation before it.

truthman2012:


My friend, your post is irrelevant to the question raised.

Was it the Bible or Torah and Injeel allah said were corrupted and yet recommended them to Muhammad? If the Bible is not the same as Torah and Injeel according to you, it means allah was not referring to the Bible as corrupt but Torah and Injeel.

Now answer the question all of you have been dodging: Was allah not aware of the corruption of the Jews and Christians Scripture before he recommended them to Muhammad?

truthman2012:


Stop lying my friend. Allah was referring Muhammad to readers of the earlier scriptures before the quran, according to 10:94.

Answer these questions and your lies will be exposed:

Who read or knew the quran before Muhammad that allah was referring him to?

How could allah refer him to readers of quran that was just being formed at that time?

Who knew the quran better than Muhammad, the receiver of the revelation that allah would be referring to?

Because of the many errors in the quran, which muslims are trying to cover up these days by translating and re-translating, in no long time, the whole of the quran will be changed.

When will you stop deceiving yourselves?

@ Trustworthiness

Waiting for you.

Trustworthiness:
How my post is relevant is this. Christians believed that Bible in what the Quran is referring to but not.

Secondly, where God told us to believe in the book revealed before the Quran, does not mean we are to follow it but to believe that truly those books of revelation were before in existence and Truely are revealed to the past prophets. The Quran has superseded all other Holy books revealed to those past prophets. So, God almighty have decided to preserve the Quran since the Quran will be the last Testament to all mankind and Jinn as well. Due to the promise of God to preserve the Quran, that is why the Quran is still in its original form of its revelation. And it will be preserve till the end of time.

Thirdly, when we say a book has been corrupted, it means the original message has been tampered with or what is been presented is not or totally different from the original book revealed.

So, the originality of Torah and Injil (not bible) have been lost due to the way we human beings decided to always disobey God. Example of true teachings of christ is the preaching of oneness of God as you can see in book called Gospel of Mark 12: 28-33.

28
KJV:And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29
KJV:And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30
KJV:And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31
KJV:And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
32
KJV:And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
33
KJV:And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

So, the essence of quoting the above verses of the bible is that all prophets of God believed that God is one. The priest that asked Jesus the first commandment were asking based on Torah with them. Just to be sure Jesus is Truely a prophet of God. Because all prophets of God preaches that there is only one God, the apha and omega.

So, God almighty is not recommending the Torah or the Bible for Muslims to follow, because the Quranic messages have superseded those of the Torah and Injil. But, to acknowledge that those books have been revealed to earlier prophets be him.

Lastly, you Christians believe or concept of God is to shallow. Even when the bible says, with God all things are possible.
We Muslims do not believe that the knowledge of God is bound by space and time. The knowledge of God almighty is all encompassing, without bound. He has the knowledge of the past, present and future. He has the knowledge of what is visible and what not is visible to mankind. He has the knowledge of what he hidden and what is exposed. He has the knowledge of what you about to think of in the next microsecond or time smaller than that. He has the knowledge of what occupies every space on earth and the heavens. His knowledge is all encompassing. Not bound by space and time.
So, you need to get this straight and clear in your mind whenever we are talking of God almighty that revealed the Quran and all other books of revelation before it.

1. if the scripture the quran is talking abou is not the bible, bring the scripture let see.
2.if Allah ask you to believe in the scripture and not to followed it, what does this mean? Your statement indicate Allah is not sure if the muslims should followed it or not.
3.Allah had vow to protect the remainder(the scripture) and now you say the scripture has lost, meaning Allah fail to protect it as promise.
4. We christians believe our God is ONE with three personalities,we can read in genesis 1:27 where God say" let us make man in our IMAGE"
The words "our" and "us" indicate more than one person is talking here and the word "IMAGE" indicate ONE GOD, if God is three the bible should have said images and not image.
Jesus has two nature fully God and fully human, When Jesus say our God is ONE, he don't want to comperd the nature of God and man, God himself possessed the body but God allow him to acts with his Will.

So answer the question truthman ask, the question is very important.

truthman2012:


Trash!

Only one question is asked.

Allah recommended the Jews and Christians Scriptures to Muhammad. He later said the Scriptures are corrupted. The question therefore is: Was he (allah) not aware of the corruption before he recommended same to Muhammad? Simple.

Show me ONE verse that RECOMMENDS the extant bible to the prophet (saw). Allah says that Muslims are enjoined to believe in the earlier REVEALED scriptures; the fact that there were prophets and that their revelations were from God... eg INJEEL; not letters from Paul to his sheep.

“Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, “This is from God,” to purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for that they earn thereby” [al-Baqarah 2:79]

Guess which 'book' the above verse is referring to.

Abuamam:


Show me ONE verse that RECOMMENDS the extant bible to the prophet (saw). Allah says that Muslims are enjoined to believe in the earlier REVEALED scriptures; the fact that there were prophets and that their revelations were from God... eg INJEEL; not letters from Paul to his sheep.

“Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, “This is from God,” to purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for that they earn thereby” [al-Baqarah 2:79]

Guess which 'book' the above verse is referring to.

Trustworthiness:
I think the problem of you Christians is high level of ignorance. That is why Jesus, according to you bible, says most of his people will perish because they are ignorant.
In Islam, bible is never referred to as the word of God but the Injil. The injil is the scripture revealed to Prophet Isa (Jesus christ) and not the bible. The word Bible is derived from the Greek word biblo, which means collection of books. While the injil, some translate it as Gospel.
That is why you will see in the beginning of the books that comprises the new Testament, "Gospel According to".
Note the word "According To". For instant, Gospel According to Mark.
In English language, the word "According to" means that what so and so says or believed in but not necessarily the person narrating it believed in it. So, the book "Gospel According to Mark,", that is part of the New Testament, is a book written by someone on what Mark believes or narrated of the teachings of Jesus. Such narration is not God's word. If you carefully, without any iota bigotry in you mind and head, study the Qur'an, you will understand the difference between the word of God and words of narration by men, which your bible represents.

Wow wow.. In ur bid to regurgitate what ur imam and those Islam propaganda sites tell u, u are contradicting Islamic allah and his Mohammed..

Listen I don't care what Mohammed (the fraud) says but I just have to remind you that the manuscripts dated back to Mohammeds time are the same ones that form the bible we use today. .

Mohammed in a bid to win christains And jews affirmed the torah and injeel..he even claimed Allah wrote the Torah and all those war verses
See the evidence below.. From hadiths and ur quran..

"Allah" claims to have written the Torah (which includes Genesis) with
his own hand as Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Adam and
Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. 'O Adam! You are
our father who disappointed us and turned us out of Paradise.' Then
Adam said to him, 'O Moses! Allah favored you with His talk (talked to
you directly) and HE WROTE (the Torah) for you with HIS OWN HAND.
Do you blame me for action which Allah had written in my fate forty
years before my creation?' So Adam confuted Moses, Adam confuted
Moses," the Prophet added, repeating the Statement three times.
(Bukhari, 8.77.611)

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) as
saying: There was an argument between Adam and Moses. Moses said to
Adam: You are our father. You did us harm and caused us to get out of
Paradise. Adam said to him: You are Moses. Allah selected you (for
direct conversation with you) and WROTE with HIS OWN HAND the Book
(Torah) for you. Despite this you blame me for an act which Allah had
ordained for me forty years before He created me. Allah's Apostle
(may peace be upon him) said: This is how Adam came the better of
Moses and Adam came the better of Moses. (Muslim, 33.6409)
Abu Hurairah reported the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him)
as saying: Adam and Moses held a disputation. Moses said: Adam you
are our father. You deprived us and caused us to come out from
Paradise. Adam said: You are Moses Allah chose you for his speech and
WROTE the Torah for you WITH HIS HAND. Do you blame me for doing a
deed which Allah had decreed that I should do forty year before he
created me? So Adam got the better of Moses in argument. Ahmad b.
Salih said from 'Amr from Tawus who heard Abu Hurairah. (Abi Dawud,
41.4684)
It is hardly surprising then to read the following in Kitab al-Sunna,
which many Muslims believe to have been written by ‘Abduallah b.
Ahmad, the son of the famed Ahmad b. Hanbal, but which in any case
shows how at least some Muslims took teachings of this sort.
"Allah wrote the Torah for Moses with His hand while leaning back on a
rock, on tablets of pearl, and the screech of the quill could be heard.
There was no veil between Him and him," (Vol. 1, p. 294)
So, Allah writes two contradictory books: Qur'an and Bible? This is the
"father" Muslims want us to believe in! The Muslim god is not even a
father to Muslims as he claims to have no children, rather only slaves
(Muslims).


incase if u are one of those quranists who reject the hadith, here is
proof of your quran affirming the torah and injeel.

Lo! We did reveal the Torah, wherein is guidance and a light (Surah
5:44a; 2:87).
And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps,
confirming that which was (revealed) before him in the Torah, and We
bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance and a light, confirming
that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah - a guidance and an
admonition unto those who ward off (evil) (Surah 5:46).
It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book,
confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses)
and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He
sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) (Surah
3:3).
If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask
those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath
indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.
And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then
wert thou of the losers (Surah 10:94-95; 16:43)

Abuamam:


Show me ONE verse that RECOMMENDS the extant bible to the prophet (saw). Allah says that Muslims are enjoined to believe in the earlier REVEALED scriptures; the fact that there were prophets and that their revelations were from God... eg INJEEL; not letters from Paul to his sheep.

“Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands and then say, “This is from God,” to purchase with it a little price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for that they earn thereby” [al-Baqarah 2:79]

Guess which 'book' the above verse is referring to.

Was it not the same Torah and Injeel allah said they corrupted and still recommended it?

Was it God who wrote the Torah for Moses with His own hand or He spoke to Moses and he (Moses) wrote it down with his own hand?

Muhammad was said to receive quranic revelations, which was written by his scribes, most of them written after his death. Was therefore the quran not written by men's hand? Allah did not write the quran with his own hand. I have islamic records of how it was written with many verses lost as a result of memorizers who died in war.

Was it God who wrote the Gospel for Jesus with His own hand or Jesus spoke and was written down by the disciples?
It is your quran that says the disciples who wrote the Gospel bore true witness, why do you or allah condemn their true witness?

But when Jesus
became conscious of their
disbelief, he cried: Who will be my
helpers in the cause of Allah? The
disciples said: We will be Allah's
helpers. We believe in Allah, and
bear thou witness that we have
surrendered (unto Him)

Our Lord! We
believe in that which Thou hast
revealed and we follow him whom
Thou hast sent. Enrol us among
those who witness (to the truth
(Quran2:52-53).

After he had said the above verses, it is a surprise for him to still say the scripture is corrupt. How reliable are allah's words?

What is the difference between Moses hearing from God and writing it down with his hand, Jesus speaking and disciples writing it down with their hands and Muhammad receiving messages and scribes writing them with their hands.

Tell me, which existed in the time of Muhammad, the Torah and Injeel as separate Books or the Bible? Was it inside the Injeel, Christians called Jesus the Son of God, which allah objected to at Muhammad's time or the Bible?

If it was the Bible, then it means allah recognizes it as the book of the Christians. If it was the Injeel, it means it is the same as the Bible, in which Jesus is called the Son of God.

Don't tell story, just address the issues raised here point by point.

These muslims are really dafts. The truth is stearing u in the face yet u choose to believe a lie. Anyways. Like god like followers. Liars.

Interesting @ Op ...following with my reading glasses

Maamin:
Interesting @ Op ...following with my reading glasses

Okay na?

truthman2012:


My friend, your post is irrelevant to the question raised.

Was it the Bible or Torah and Injeel allah said were corrupted and yet recommended them to Muhammad? If the Bible is not the same as Torah and Injeel according to you, it means allah was not referring to the Bible as corrupt but Torah and Injeel.

Now answer the question all of you have been dodging: Was allah not aware of the corruption of the Jews and Christians Scripture before he recommended them to Muhammad?

here is it. Allah s.w.t was aware(He always is) that the injeel which he gave to Isa a.s would later be called bible. He knows all of that since the beginning of time. And that falsehood will be mixed with it. And that Those who believe will believe and that not everyone, inshaaAllah will believe in the truth. Allah recommended injeel to Muhammad and the ummah, not the corrupted bible's tired pages. The recommendation does not ext3nd to bible. if by chance, any of us muslims come across the injeel, we still believe in it and will refer to it.


now wait an hour and ask me the same silly question again. i guess it adds to your bank account

Ifeann:


Wow wow.. In ur bid to regurgitate what ur imam and those Islam propaganda sites tell u, u are contradicting Islamic allah and his Mohammed..

Listen I don't care what Mohammed (the fraud) says but I just have to remind you that the manuscripts dated back to Mohammeds time are the same ones that form the bible we use today. .

Mohammed in a bid to win christains And jews affirmed the torah and injeel..he even claimed Allah wrote the Torah and all those war verses
See the evidence below.. From hadiths and ur quran..

"Allah" claims to have written the Torah (which includes Genesis) with
his own hand as Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Adam and
Moses argued with each other. Moses said to Adam. 'O Adam! You are
our father who disappointed us and turned us out of Paradise.' Then
Adam said to him, 'O Moses! Allah favored you with His talk (talked to
you directly) and HE WROTE (the Torah) for you with HIS OWN HAND.
Do you blame me for action which Allah had written in my fate forty
years before my creation?' So Adam confuted Moses, Adam confuted
Moses," the Prophet added, repeating the Statement three times.
(Bukhari, 8.77.611)

Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) as
saying: There was an argument between Adam and Moses. Moses said to
Adam: You are our father. You did us harm and caused us to get out of
Paradise. Adam said to him: You are Moses. Allah selected you (for
direct conversation with you) and WROTE with HIS OWN HAND the Book
(Torah) for you. Despite this you blame me for an act which Allah had
ordained for me forty years before He created me. Allah's Apostle
(may peace be upon him) said: This is how Adam came the better of
Moses and Adam came the better of Moses. (Muslim, 33.6409)
Abu Hurairah reported the Messenger of Allah (May peace be upon him)
as saying: Adam and Moses held a disputation. Moses said: Adam you
are our father. You deprived us and caused us to come out from
Paradise. Adam said: You are Moses Allah chose you for his speech and
WROTE the Torah for you WITH HIS HAND. Do you blame me for doing a
deed which Allah had decreed that I should do forty year before he
created me? So Adam got the better of Moses in argument. Ahmad b.
Salih said from 'Amr from Tawus who heard Abu Hurairah. (Abi Dawud,
41.4684)
It is hardly surprising then to read the following in Kitab al-Sunna,
which many Muslims believe to have been written by ‘Abduallah b.
Ahmad, the son of the famed Ahmad b. Hanbal, but which in any case
shows how at least some Muslims took teachings of this sort.
"Allah wrote the Torah for Moses with His hand while leaning back on a
rock, on tablets of pearl, and the screech of the quill could be heard.
There was no veil between Him and him," (Vol. 1, p. 294)
So, Allah writes two contradictory books: Qur'an and Bible? This is the
"father" Muslims want us to believe in! The Muslim god is not even a
father to Muslims as he claims to have no children, rather only slaves
(Muslims).


incase if u are one of those quranists who reject the hadith, here is
proof of your quran affirming the torah and injeel.

Lo! We did reveal the Torah, wherein is guidance and a light (Surah
5:44a; 2:87).
And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps,
confirming that which was (revealed) before him in the Torah, and We
bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance and a light, confirming
that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah - a guidance and an
admonition unto those who ward off (evil) (Surah 5:46).
It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book,
confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses)
and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He
sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong) (Surah
3:3).
If thou wert in doubt as to what We have revealed unto thee, then ask
those who have been reading the Book from before thee: the Truth hath
indeed come to thee from thy Lord: so be in no wise of those in doubt.
And be not thou of those who deny the revelations of Allah, for then
wert thou of the losers (Surah 10:94-95; 16:43)

this is very sick. could you please notice how the last sentence applies to you? What in the world is the problem with you people. nobody will see this victimization now o, its when muslims talk back that people begin the talk about violence. If you think we have a muslim god who is not a father...right.
if you think your religion is better..fine. stop with the Allah, Muhammad insult. you should know its biblically unethical. Muhammad has done you no wrong, neither have the muslims.

babylolaroy:

this is very sick. could you please notice how the last sentence applies to you? What in the world is the problem with you people. nobody will see this victimization now o, its when muslims talk back that people begin the talk about violence. If you think we have a muslim god who is not a father...right.
if you think your religion is better..fine. stop with the Allah, Muhammad insult. you should know its biblically unethical. Muhammad has done you no wrong, neither have the muslims.

Mohammed did a lot of wrongs, to start with Mohammed spent his days killing christains, Jews, pagans, raiding caravans and having sex with a child, when he already had several wives and sex slaves, a man who was allegedly demon possessed and recited a ton of evil, who encouraged the rape of married captives, a man who lusted, married and slept with his son's ex wife after he divorced her because of him(Mohammed), and who levied jizyah tax as extortion on Christians, a man who persecuted Christians because he didn't understand the nature of God and who gave the satanic verses instructing people to worship the 3 daughters of Allah then returned to say he was decieved...

U can believe his CR.AP commands if u want but everyone is free to discuss about him

Ifeann:


Mohammed did a lot of wrongs, to start with Mohammed spent his days killing christains, Jews, pagans, raiding caravans and having sex with a child, when he already had several wives and sex slaves, a man who was allegedly demon possessed and recited a ton of evil, who encouraged the rape of married captives, a man who lusted, married and slept with his son's ex wife after he divorced her because of him(Mohammed), and who levied jizyah tax as extortion on Christians, a man who persecuted Christians because he didn't understand the nature of God and who gave the satanic verses instructing people to worship the 3 daughters of Allah then returned to say he was decieved...

U can believe his CR.AP commands if u want but everyone is free to discuss about him

all this lies to make us take a BLOODTHIRSTY BEAST,A CRUCIFIED PIG as my God.NEVER!

truthman2012:


Was it not the same Torah and Injeel allah said they corrupted and still recommended it?

Was it God who wrote the Torah for Moses with His own hand or He spoke to Moses and he (Moses) wrote it down with his own hand?

Muhammad was said to receive quranic revelations, which was written by his scribes, most of them written after his death. Was therefore the quran not written by men's hand? Allah did not write the quran with his own hand. I have islamic records of how it was written with many verses lost as a result of memorizers who died in war.

Was it God who wrote the Gospel for Jesus with His own hand or Jesus spoke and was written down by the disciples?
It is your quran that says the disciples who wrote the Gospel bore true witness, why do you or allah condemn their true witness?

But when Jesus
became conscious of their
disbelief, he cried: Who will be my
helpers in the cause of Allah? The
disciples said: We will be Allah's
helpers. We believe in Allah, and
bear thou witness that we have
surrendered (unto Him)

Our Lord! We
believe in that which Thou hast
revealed and we follow him whom
Thou hast sent. Enrol us among
those who witness (to the truth
(Quran2:52-53).

After he had said the above verses, it is a surprise for him to still say the scripture is corrupt. How reliable are allah's words?

What is the difference between Moses hearing from God and writing it down with his hand, Jesus speaking and disciples writing it down with their hands and Muhammad receiving messages and scribes writing them with their hands.

Tell me, which existed in the time of Muhammad, the Torah and Injeel as separate Books or the Bible? Was it inside the Injeel, Christians called Jesus the Son of God, which allah objected to at Muhammad's time or the Bible?

If it was the Bible, then it means allah recognizes it as the book of the Christians. If it was the Injeel, it means it is the same as the Bible, in which Jesus is called the Son of God.

Don't tell story, just address the issues raised here point by point.

@ babylolaroy

Abuamam ran away from the above, can you attempt it quoting them point by point?

babylolaroy:

this is very sick. could you please notice how the last sentence applies to you? What in the world is the problem with you people. nobody will see this victimization now o, its when muslims talk back that people begin the talk about violence. If you think we have a muslim god who is not a father...right.
if you think your religion is better..fine. stop with the Allah, Muhammad insult. you should know its biblically unethical. Muhammad has done you no wrong, neither have the muslims.

they are following the footsteps from that accursed Fool paul(the curse of Allah(SA) forever remains upon him) they learn their deceits from the Beast!