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Re: The Honda Crosstour Is Dead - And No True Car Guy Will Miss It! by lungwun(m): 2:13pm On Apr 14, 2015 |
Kashif: I'll leave this here for you to read, This F30 328i was tested on EAS (European Auto Source)'s Dynojet 224xLC and put down an impressive 226hp / 230lb-ft torque (at the wheels), with just 91 octane gasoline. If you didn't understand the above, ill leave the dictionary explanation of Underrated underestimate the extent, value, or importance of (someone or something) Further reading - http://www.superstreetonline.com/how-to/engine/modp-1005-drivetrain-power-loss/ |
Re: The Honda Crosstour Is Dead - And No True Car Guy Will Miss It! by Kashif(m): 4:31pm On Apr 14, 2015 |
lungwun: You need to quit ingesting subjective info. Hps are determined using SAE standards at the crank, and that's what we are talking about. You did not read where I said other factors come into play after the crank? N20B20 gets 240hp at the crank, and 2GR-FE gets 269hp at the crank. Granted that the rpms vary, but these do not change if driven with stock ECM, tuning and manufacture's recommended RON. If you want to have fun with crank vs wheel hp, the link below would help. http://www.mk5cortinaestate.co.uk/calculator4.php Bring on points, and stop digressing/distracting with elementary definitions. I am not saying the 2GR-FE is the most powerful 6 banger, as there are many more powerful ones out there. What you need to show me is the one that beats it in performance and efficiency. Your teachers must have had a hell of time ![]() 1 Like |
Re: The Honda Crosstour Is Dead - And No True Car Guy Will Miss It! by Nobody: 4:48pm On Apr 14, 2015 |
lungwun:There is a reason why CAMRY is a 5.7sec car and a BMW is a 5.5 sec car. A CAMRY isn't sports/performance bias tuned. It is tuned for efficiency and high MPG economy while operating smoothly. A BMW is sports tuned. The engine of a car alone can't make the car run fastest. Rather the final drive ratios of the gears. If Toyota wishes to make the camry go faster, they will easily do that via tweaks. The CAMRY is a FWD so higher HP and Torques and aggressive gears will result in dangerous torque steer. 2 Likes |
Re: The Honda Crosstour Is Dead - And No True Car Guy Will Miss It! by sultaan(m): 5:46pm On Apr 14, 2015 |
Kashif: Take a look at GM current corporate 3.6l v6 very good engine at 300hp |
Re: The Honda Crosstour Is Dead - And No True Car Guy Will Miss It! by Kashif(m): 8:00pm On Apr 14, 2015 |
sultaan: And that's what am looking for! This has bested the 2GR...... |
Re: The Honda Crosstour Is Dead - And No True Car Guy Will Miss It! by lungwun(m): 10:27pm On Apr 14, 2015 |
lomomike: All my Toyota brothers are out in full force today. The 2gr is tuned for efficiency you say, all I wanted to prove was that with the advancements in engine technology, a smaller 2 litre turbo charged inline 4 is just as efficient, quick and has high mpg whilst destroying the larger engine in performance. I know about gearing and final drive ratios but my point still stands, he asked for an engine more efficient and I gave him one. One that was created whilst Toyota sat on their past reputation with gullible clients who kept drinking the kool-aid. I could have responded with Mercedes turbo 2.0 in the CLA & GLA 45 AMG, i could have introduced Volvos super charged and turbo charged inline 4, I could also have introduced Subaru's turbo boxer 4 in the WRX and WRX STi All new engines pushing the boundary of automotive excellence, but I kept it simple to show that Toyota needs a new engine. And you guys started the square dance. |
Re: The Honda Crosstour Is Dead - And No True Car Guy Will Miss It! by Connoisseur(m): 4:58am On Apr 15, 2015 |
where and how did you guys learn all this ![]() 1 Like |
Re: The Honda Crosstour Is Dead - And No True Car Guy Will Miss It! by Kashif(m): 6:57am On Apr 15, 2015 |
lungwun: Bro, 2GR is a naturally aspirated engine. Why measure it against turbos? You are trying very hard to score a point with your beamer engine, but onions and tomatoes are not same. Saw sultaan's post? That's what we are talking about! |
Re: The Honda Crosstour Is Dead - And No True Car Guy Will Miss It! by yungboss(m): 9:08am On Apr 15, 2015 |
Kashif:aha, lungwun was right about the efficiency of that BMW engine afterall, since you just got to know that the engine is a turbo and not a naturally aspirated one. 1 Like |
Re: The Honda Crosstour Is Dead - And No True Car Guy Will Miss It! by lungwun(m): 9:13am On Apr 15, 2015 |
Kashif: Exactly my point! Almost every car manufacturer is heavily invested in turbocharging to increase engine efficiency and power (Which was the initial premise behind the argument). But not Toyota, who are quite happy using the same engine for years on end. You set the premise for this merry dance by asking and i quote. I would like to know another engine that combines its power with efficiency. To which i supplied a fairly modern engine that ergonomically combines power & efficiency. Then, like a politician, you started looking for caveats, the most recent being NA vs Turbo. Not only is the GM engine superior to your precious Toyota but the mightiest Japanese engine of them all, The VQ is also better than the 2GR. Counter point - This (VQ37) is also not an all-new engine because it is a bored out version of the VQ35 And to Sultaan's GM engine suggestion (LFX), that is also an evolution of the LY7 which debuted in 2004. Created by tweaking of the Cylinder heads and manifolds, which any one could do by himself to any of his cars if he had the time, money and a working browser to buy aftermarket manifolds on Ebay. Hopefully this has been enlightening to everyone and i would like to see more of such civil discussions and topics on Nairaland that every one can chime in on. Rather than the deluge of X car vs Y car X accident on Y roads And all the other rubbish posts around these parts. Maybe that would get car people like Siena and the rest of them more active on here as it's gone to the dogs lately. Special mention to Kashif who kept it civil through out. Other nairalanders would have resorted to verbal insults. ![]() Connoisseur: To be honest, I dont wrench or do serious DIY but i read and read and read. Thats most likely how i learnt all of this 1 Like |
Re: The Honda Crosstour Is Dead - And No True Car Guy Will Miss It! by yungboss(m): 9:15am On Apr 15, 2015 |
Talking about efficiency, how do you measure the efficiency of an engine...is it from its indicated power, or just the bhp/litre ratio? |
Re: The Honda Crosstour Is Dead - And No True Car Guy Will Miss It! by sultaan(m): 9:43am On Apr 15, 2015 |
I know Toyota,Nissan, Mitsubishi and Honda are some of the last major manufacturers that have not come out with a replacement engine for their V6 and V8. Ford, GM, KIA, VW no longer offer V6 in their midsize car,all use a small turbo getting 270hp. They can get more but that is the most you want to put in a FWD car Toyota is still within CAFE because the volumn of Corolla and camry sold keep them within CAFE http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_Average_Fuel_Economy#MY_2012-2016_Obama_Administration_proposal Soon they will have to stop the V6 and start a turbo engine So sometimes to stay legal you cut models that does not meet their CAFE limit they might bring them back with a turbo 4 and hybrid |
Re: The Honda Crosstour Is Dead - And No True Car Guy Will Miss It! by Kashif(m): 9:08pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
yungboss: I should have categorically stated 'naturally aspirated', but thought it was common sense. |
Re: The Honda Crosstour Is Dead - And No True Car Guy Will Miss It! by Kashif(m): 9:13pm On Apr 15, 2015 |
yungboss: It is the latter, but efficiencies are typically measured on vehicles. |
Re: The Honda Crosstour Is Dead - And No True Car Guy Will Miss It! by Connoisseur(m): 1:13am On Apr 16, 2015 |
lungwun: i wouldnt mind reading some of the stuff you read. i want to be like you |
Re: The Honda Crosstour Is Dead - And No True Car Guy Will Miss It! by Nobody: 1:38am On Apr 16, 2015 |
Not for me per see, I've outgrown Hondus (sp), but I think the model got a bad rap. 1 Like
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