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Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by timbros(m): 12:41am On Apr 18, 2015
Debroslink:

Tell us any memorable thing Hazard has done in UCL or even Europa league that makes u over rate him like that.

Another laughable post.

So you are waiting for something memorable from Hazard in UCL or EL before you rate him? Lol...

Well you need something memorable. Isn't this memorable?

Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by liveLongNprospa(m): 1:37am On Apr 18, 2015
timbros:


ND u do realise he has played 5more games than neymar....stop bringing gotze into dis argument bcoz wen gotze was busy having a stellar 2014 hazard was no where to be found grin..EPL can hype sha
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by raumdeuter: 3:34am On Apr 18, 2015
Pdizzle:


He has created 85 goal chances, highest in the league, more than messi and ronaldo

Goal chances isnt assist

Once again how many assists does he have
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by raumdeuter: 3:34am On Apr 18, 2015
timbros:


Another laughable post.

So you are waiting for something memorable from Hazard in UCL or EL before you rate him? Lol...

Well you need something memorable. Isn't this memorable?

What was his contribution to winning the cup?
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by raumdeuter: 3:35am On Apr 18, 2015
timbros:


You guys keep shouting goals assists goals assists as if that is the only criteria for knowing the best players. Granted, goals and assists are VERY important part of a great player's game. But have you asked yourself this: How many goals or assists does Fabio Cannavaro have in 2006 to be crowned world best?

Look at those screenshots again. You will notice different aspects to ones game that will make him a COMPLETE player. Not just goals and assists. Zidane have never been a highest goalscorer when he won his world bests... I can go on and on to name great players who don't score that many goals but are undoubtedly football greats.

I still maintain that although Hazard is not in the same bracket with Ronaldo/Messi, he is not that far from them.

Canavaro led his team to win the world cup

WHat has Hazard done in his career

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Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by ClintonNzedimma(m): 7:49am On Apr 18, 2015
raumdeuter:


Canavaro led his team to win the world cup

WHat has Hazard done in his career
leave him, he doesnt know what he is talking about, i blame orijin drink for this.
Even Neymar has won a trophy with Brazil
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by Debroslink: 7:53am On Apr 18, 2015
timbros:


Another laughable post.

So you are waiting for something memorable from Hazard in UCL or EL before you rate him? Lol...

Well you need something memorable. Isn't this memorable?
Memorable moments are when
1. Messi scored 4 goals against Arsenal
2. Messi scored a header against Man Utd in final
3. Ronaldo destroyed Bayern in semi final
4. Forlan ruined Fulham in Europa Final
5. Diego Milito destroyed Bayern in Final
6. Ribery murdered Barca in semifinal
7. Arda Turan killed Chelsea in semifinal
8. Drogba killed Bayern in final

Tell me a memorable moment your overrated Hazard has in Europe. Just One.
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by timbros(m): 10:42am On Apr 18, 2015
raumdeuter:


Canavaro led his team to win the world cup

WHat has Hazard done in his career

Lol.... I know that's exactly what your reply is going to be.

So this time around, goals don't count abi? But when it comes to Hazard, it's goals goals goals.

Okay George Weah led Liberia to win the world cup when he won world best. Now I see.
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by timbros(m): 10:51am On Apr 18, 2015
Debroslink:

Memorable moments are when
1. Messi scored 4 goals against Arsenal
2. Messi scored a header against Man Utd in final
3. Ronaldo destroyed Bayern in semi final
4. Forlan ruined Fulham in Europa Final
5. Diego Milito destroyed Bayern in Final
6. Ribery murdered Barca in semifinal
7. Arda Turan killed Chelsea in semifinal
8. Drogba killed Bayern in final

Tell me a memorable moment your overrated Hazard has in Europe. Just One.




If winning your first trophy in your first season in a new club isn't memorable, then I don't know which memorable you're talking about again.

Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by timbros(m): 10:53am On Apr 18, 2015
raumdeuter:


What was his contribution to winning the cup?

Then go and collect the medal from him because he didn't score 100 goals enroute winning the cup.
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by timbros(m): 10:55am On Apr 18, 2015
liveLongNprospa:

ND u do realise he has played 5more games than neymar....stop bringing gotze into dis argument bcoz wen gotze was busy having a stellar 2014 hazard was no where to be found grin..EPL can hype sha

I never added Goetze in the comparison myself. It's an already made comparison I pulled from a website. My interest there is Hazard and Neymar.
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by raumdeuter: 2:28pm On Apr 18, 2015
timbros:


Then go and collect the medal from him because he didn't score 100 goals enroute winning the cup.

So Mikel too won a trophy.

Hazard was very inconsequential to the Europa win
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by timbros(m): 3:02pm On Apr 18, 2015
raumdeuter:


So Mikel too won a trophy.

Hazard was very inconsequential to the Europa win

No Mikel didn't win a trophy. You did cheesy
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by A40(m): 4:36pm On Apr 18, 2015
timbros:

You guys keep shouting goals assists goals assists as if that is the only criteria for knowing the best players. Granted, goals and assists are VERY important part of a great player's game. But have you asked yourself this: How many goals or assists does Fabio Cannavaro have in 2006 to be crowned world best?
Apples and oranges. Cannavaro is a defender. So long as Hazard a Wing Forward is in the discussion then goals and assists must matter since he has not performed in any major international competition for club or country

timbros:

Look at those screenshots again. You will notice different aspects to ones game that will make him a COMPLETE player. Not just goals and assists. Zidane have never been a highest goalscorer when he won his world bests... I can go on and on to name great players who don't score that many goals but are undoubtedly football greats.

I still maintain that although Hazard is not in the same bracket with Ronaldo/Messi, he is not that far from them.
Zidane does not play the same position as Hazard. He won his WPOTY because he always played key roles in helping his club or country win major competitions. The greats always showed up when it mattered most. Hazard does not have the goals and has not performed in major competitions so pray tell what do we rate him on. The number of dribbles and key passes vs Stoke City, QPR and West Brom? Abeggi
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by A40(m): 4:37pm On Apr 18, 2015
timbros:


If winning your first trophy in your first season in a new club isn't memorable, then I don't know which memorable you're talking about again.
What was his contribution. Which match did he prove to be the difference maker? Simple question you can't answer
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by Pdizzle(m): 4:46pm On Apr 18, 2015
raumdeuter:


Goal chances isnt assist

Once again how many assists does he have


Bros it's not only about goals and assists, even though he has his own share of them with 13 goals and 8 assists. The main thing is about his build up plays that makes his team a threat. Nobody has a greater match influence than him apart from messi and ronaldo. How many goals and assist does iniesta have in his entire career. We all know how iniesta and xavi were well rated past any premier league midfielder when Lampard has better stats than both of them combined.
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by timbros(m): 4:50pm On Apr 18, 2015
A40:

What was his contribution. Which match did he prove to be the difference maker? Simple question you can't answer

Which simple question didn't I answer oga?

Isn't lifting Europa League in his first season with Chelsea memorable enough?

You REALLY need to see the question I quoted that answer with again.
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by A40(m): 4:53pm On Apr 18, 2015
timbros:


Which simple question didn't I answer oga?

Isn't lifting Europa League in his first season with Chelsea memorable enough?

You REALLY need to see the question I quoted that answer with again.
Lukaku also lifted the Champions League at Chelsea. What is your point?

If Hazard is so good what did he contribute to the win? What was his memorable contribution besides holding the trophy that other players sweated for?
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by timbros(m): 4:54pm On Apr 18, 2015
A40:

Apples and oranges. Cannavaro is a defender. So long as Hazard a Wing Forward is in the discussion then goals and assists must matter since he has not performed in any major international competition for club or country


Zidane does not play the same position as Hazard. He won his WPOTY because he always played key roles in helping his club or country win major competitions. The greats always showed up when it mattered most. Hazard does not have the goals and has not performed in major competitions so pray tell what do we rate him on. The number of dribbles and key passes vs Stoke City, QPR and West Brom? Abeggi

Going by you guys arguments, defenders shouldn't even be nominated for world best not to talk of winning it. Because according to you, it's all about goals goals goals.

So Zidane doesn't play the same wing with Hazard but you can conveniently compare Hazard with Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez etc, abi?
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by timbros(m): 4:56pm On Apr 18, 2015
A40:

Lukaku also lifted the Champions League at Chelsea. What is your point?

If Hazard is so good what did he contribute to the win? What was his memorable contribution besides holding the trophy that other players sweated for?

Yes Lukaku is a champions league winner with Chelsea. Any problem with that?

Maybe Chelsea should have been playing a man down (without Hazard) and see if they will lift the trophy.

Btw you haven't told me why we should take away Hazard's penalty goals.
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by raumdeuter: 5:06pm On Apr 18, 2015
Pdizzle:



Bros it's not only about goals and assists, even though he has his own share of them with 13 goals and 8 assists. The main thing is about his build up plays that makes his team a threat. Nobody has a greater match influence than him apart from messi and ronaldo. How many goals and assist does iniesta have in his entire career. We all know how iniesta and xavi were well rated past any premier league midfielder when Lampard has better stats than both of them combined.

In 12/13 Iniesta had double digit assists for most of his career in Barcelona

And you are showing us Hazard with 8 assists
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by Pdizzle(m): 5:10pm On Apr 18, 2015
raumdeuter:


In 12/13 Iniesta had double digit assists for most of his career in Barcelona

And you are showing us Hazard with 8 assists

Please screen shot, what of 2010 when he got most awards. And let us see how many goals he scored.
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by raumdeuter: 5:29pm On Apr 18, 2015
Pdizzle:


Please screen shot, what of 2010 when he got most awards. And let us see how many goals he scored.

In 2010 scored 2 goals in a world cup including the winning goal. How did Hazard perform at the world cup

And which awards did he win in 2010?
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by A40(m): 5:47pm On Apr 18, 2015
timbros:


2nd highest? Why not highest? World cup final? Why not world cup winner?

Btw before you start misquoting me, I never compared Hazard's career to Messi's. I brought Messi's Argentina career up to show you that for Hazard to perform well in one competition and not too well in another doesn't make him a bad player like you want to paint him. For all his records smashed in Barca, Messi still doesn't have anything to show in the Argentine shirt. BUT that doesn't take away the fact that he is a phenomenal player.
He is only 28 there is ample time to break the record. World Cup Final na yam? If its easy why has your Hazard not sniffed it?

Don't bring Messi as an example! He has Champions League excellence to make up for it. What is Hazard's excuse?

1 semi-final, A group stage and second round exit for Hazard. Using Messi as a yardstick is laughable

timbros:

Stop hating on Hazard. I have provided screenshots showing how good Hazard is. Provide yours to show how crop he is and let's see. You won't. All you guys do is shout up and down how overhyped Hazard is.
Hating on an overrated Hazard? Nobody got time for that! My team is filled with greatness and players who are World Champions. Mueller, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Ribery, Robben, Goetze, Neuer. We are used to excellence that is why dribble stats vs Stoke and the likes no dey make our body dey vibrate

The most annoying part is Gareth Bale even played more than what Hazard is playing now yet no one dared make comparisons to players that were his superiors

Your statistics are faulty. It shows Hazard has played over 900minutes more than his nearest competitors! That is the equivalent of 10 matches! Despite that Hazard still fails to have a clear edge against his competition. And that is even in the league. What of in the Champions League where Hazard is nowhere to be found

timbros:

You still haven't told me why we should remove Hazard’s penalties.

Or you want to tell me that you don't know that teams have particular players that take responsibility of PK? Is it Hazard’s fault that he has that responsibility in Chelsea? Wait, do you think that penalty goals are that cheap? Haven't you seen or read of people that missed as much as three PK in a match? Are Ronaldo and Messi not penalty takers in their respective teams? Why should Hazard’s case be different?
I didn't say remove I said always make that consideration when talking about his goalscoring record

It is easier to score from penalties than from open play if not for penalties the likes of Rooney and Gerrard would not score 10 goals in a season these days.

Don't compare Ronaldo and Messi to Hazard. Penalties do not make 30% of Ronaldo's and Messi's goals.
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by A40(m): 6:40pm On Apr 18, 2015
timbros:

Going by you guys arguments, defenders shouldn't even be nominated for world best not to talk of winning it. Because according to you, it's all about goals goals goals.
So Zidane doesn't play the same wing with Hazard but you can conveniently compare Hazard with Ronaldo, Messi, Suarez etc, abi?
That is a wrong conclusion to make. Manuel Neuer made the 3 man shortlist and no one complained about it. A defender can win it if they played exceptionally over the course of a season. However with forwards you can't throw away goals especially when said players did not win major titles especially when the competition has done just that.

Yes we can make the comparison. Hazard is a LWF. He plays the same position as a Neymar and Cristiano Ronaldo. You guys are just making excuses! He lacks the titles and the goals yet for some reason he is close to them or as good as them

timbros:


Yes Lukaku is a champions league winner with Chelsea. Any problem with that?

Maybe Chelsea should have been playing a man down (without Hazard) and see if they will lift the trophy.

Btw you haven't told me why we should take away Hazard's penalty goals.
Which is ironic because they actually won the Final without Hazard. ROTFLOL

No one said take away Hazard's penalties. You have still not told us what is Hazard's memorable contribution in elite Europe
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by timbros(m): 7:24pm On Apr 18, 2015
Haters gonna hate....

Hazard 1-0 Man Utd

Nuff said. No more comment on this thread!

KTBFFH!
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by Pdizzle(m): 8:40pm On Apr 18, 2015
raumdeuter:


In 2010 scored 2 goals in a world cup including the winning goal. How did Hazard perform at the world cup

And which awards did he win in 2010?

Hazard was a teenager in 2010,and you can't compare Belgium to Spain.
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by raumdeuter: 8:49pm On Apr 18, 2015
Pdizzle:


Hazard was a teenager in 2010,and you can't compare Belgium to Spain.

In 2014 nko? WHat did Hazard do at the world cup?
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by Pdizzle(m): 8:59pm On Apr 18, 2015
raumdeuter:


In 2014 nko? WHat did Hazard do at the world cup?

So that's enough to disqualify Hazard, he will suffer for the whole country's sin, no be Brazil neymar dy in 2014
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by Debroslink: 9:01pm On Apr 18, 2015
timbros:
Haters gonna hate....

Hazard 1-0 Man Utd

Nuff said. No more comment on this thread!

KTBFFH!

A depleted man utd side where Rooney became defensive midfielder. Una no dey shame.

Wake me up when Hazard scores winning goals against PSG, Atletico Madrid

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Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by raumdeuter: 9:44pm On Apr 18, 2015
Pdizzle:


So that's enough to disqualify Hazard, he will suffer for the whole country's sin, no be Brazil neymar dy in 2014

He is supposed to be one of his countries best players and he let them down.

At the world cup he was one of the tournaments flop
Re: Hazard Is As Good As Messi And Ronaldo by Pdizzle(m): 10:44am On Apr 19, 2015
raumdeuter:


He is supposed to be one of his countries best players and he let them down.

At the world cup he was one of the tournaments flop

he didn't let them down, the whole Belgium team was nothing to write home about.

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