when it comes to contesting for elections in Lagos,or claiming land rights,or shop allocations in Abuja, Kano or so to say our south eastern and south southern brothers understood one Nigeria. but with any disadvantage position, instead of looking for a way to maximize patronage and gain from the status quo,they cry disintegration,lets split. They don't have the patience and tenacity to hang around the corridors of power while devising means to one day, gain it. This reminds me of the Jews and blacks in diaspora(story for other time) must I remind them that the SS presidency just concluded is not as a result of quality of their politics but Providence and a certain southwesterner, if they continue like this ,I don't see them ruling this country again(my opinion though) .The southwest is always at the corridor of power,claiming it when the opportunity arise and remaining calm if in opposition, believing it will come again,the SW cry for been marginalized is a cry for inclusion not disintegration, hope our Northern,SS and SE brothers learn from this, instead of the cry for war from both sides of the divide. oppovo noppoda.

I stand to be corrected.

Brb

You have already made your opinion, it remains yours. However, let me remind you that the SS man did not become President due to the magnanimity of a Yorubaman. As at 2006/7 the ND aspiration was so high that the PDP had no choice but to "compensate" the region with the post of VP and Jonathan was made. Jonathan ascended to power as President because Yaradua died in office and not because one Yorubaman picked him from nowhere to run for President. This has been the case for ALL Deputies that succeeded their bosses since the coming of this dispensation. As for the political move of the SS/SE, though the Presidency is gone, it still won't stop us from making demands, in fact, I've always been an advocate pre-March 28. I'm not a separatist nor a bigot, but I will advice you to leave SS/SE to determine their political fate. Election is over!

The poster above me forgot that if obasanjo had no single handedly handle the Gej 2011 programe he would have lost the primary

A call for governmental restructuring is the most reasonable thing anybody that wishes Nigeria well should ask for. This is because we are wasting our time fighting the wrong battles.
Believing that the country will progress under this current structure is nothing but a pipe dream.

barcanista:
You have already made your opinion, it remains yours. However, let me remind you that the SS man did not become President due to the magnanimity of a Yorubaman. As at 2006/7 the ND aspiration was so high that the PDP had no choice but to "compensate" the region with the post of VP and Jonathan was made. Jonathan ascended to power as President because Yaradua died in office and not because one Yorubaman picked him from nowhere to run for President. This has been the case for ALL Deputies that succeeded their bosses since the coming of this dispensation. As for the political move of the SS/SE, though the Presidency is gone, it still won't stop us from making demands, in fact, I've always been an advocate pre-March 28. I'm not a separatist nor a bigot, but I will advice you to leave SS/SE to determine their political fate. Election is over!

you have just aligned yourself with my opinion, the SS presidency is by providence,not the quality of politics played.I agreed with you on the pre 07 election agitations but it is more of a looming threat than diplomacy and politics(my opinion though)

ki02020:
The poster above me forgot that if obasanjo had no single handedly handle the Gej 2011 programe he would have lost the primary

not only that,the south western movement led by prominent Westerners after Yar adua's death ,more or less deliver the presidency in their arms

How does one wish Nigeria well when Nigeria does not wish you well?

Those in SE/SS that believe in self determination will always be so irrespective of who is president. They are turning up the tempo now cause Buhari's win is an opportunity to get more people on their side.

While those in SE/SS that believe in one Nigeria are the ones trying to hang on the corridors of power waiting for a turn that will never come - the thieving elite.

Now who are the people to believe? The thieving crew or the activists?

This is a good one. The se will always want to eat its cake and have it. They want to be governor in Sokoto, Speaker in Kano, Akiode in Lagos, Ihejirika in the Northeast, sw, nc and usurp ss, brainwash them as biafrans and still wants to remain apart from Nigeria as biafra. They don't know APARTHEID,

Sweetguy25:
A call for governmental restructuring is the most reasonable thing anybody that wishes Nigeria well should ask for. This is because we are wasting our time fighting the wrong battles.
Believing that the country will progress under this current structure is nothing but a pipe dream.

if I state my opinion concerning your assertions,you may not agree with me.but I think we ll get their,that is why am saying whosoever doesn't have the presidency shouldn't cry foul. preach it broda,I believe with u

Holadpearl:



you have just aligned yourself with my opinion, the SS presidency is by providence,not the quality of politics played.I agreed with you on the pre 07 election agitations but it is more of a looming threat than diplomacy and politics(my opinion though)

The demand of the SS is not to occupy the office of the President. Resource Control and True Federalism are top of our demands. We also demand political equity and system restructuring. These demands are fundamental to any political position.

Orunto:
This is a good one. The se will always want to eat its cake and have it. They want to be governor in Sokoto, Speaker in Kano, Akiode in Lagos, Ihejirika in the Northeast, sw, nc and usurp ss, brainwash them as biafrans and still wants to remain apart from Nigeria as biafra. They don't know APARTHEID,

Igbo derangement syndrome.

All i know is that Nigerians are not fair to SS and this is because the north is greedy for power.

TechRev:
How does one wish Nigeria well when Nigeria does not wish you well?

Those in SE/SS that believe in self determination will always be so irrespective of who is president. They are turning up the tempo now cause Buhari's win is an opportunity to get more people on their side.

While those in SE/SS that believe in one Nigeria are the ones trying to hang on the corridors of power waiting for a turn that will never come - the thieving elite.

Now who are the people to believe? The thieving crew or the activists?

Lol I love your philosophical thoughts ,I'll leave the dissection for another day,I know I cant win the argument though,since it is open ended ,but I'll add meaningful contributions.

AlfaSeltzer:


Igbo derangement syndrome.

Can you imagine, after paying through ones nose to purchase a piece of land and sweating in the heat of scorching Sun to build your house, not forgetting attendant yearly taxes and levies from indigenes and Government, one misguided fellow equates it to free gifts and hospitality.

No wonder they are asking for free grazing lands across the country when we all know there aren't free shops and markets anywhere in the country.

omolami:
All i know is that Nigerians are not fair to SS and this is because the north is greedy for power.

yea my exact thought, the only tribe left out is southwesterners.north wins d south ll cry,south wins north cries

barcanista:
The demand of the SS is not to occupy the office of the President. Resource Control and True Federalism are top of our demands. We also demand political equity and system restructuring. These demands are fundamental to any political position.

That is my point,ur demands are good but should come as a form of an integration not separation threats. Obama becoming the President of America today is a dividend of emancipation struggles not secession

with the way thing are the SW political bloc is now the weakest in the land.This would be brought to the fore in 2019 or 2023 whenever APC choses to field osinbanjo as presidential candidate.unlike when we had the SS/SE backing GEJ,The sw would have to go it alone because the PDP would field a northerner and a VP from the SS/SE

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Igbo derangement syndrome. IDS! This is worse than being GAY! Don't let them infect the rest of us with their HIV.

cktheluckyman:
with the way thing are the SW political bloc is now the weakest in the land.This would be brought to the fore in 2019 or 2023 whenever APC choses to field osinbanjo as presidential candidate.unlike when we had the SS/SE backing GEJ,The sw would have to go it alone because the PDP would field a northerner and a VP from the SS/SE

That is the beauty of politics, u loose some,u gain some,there is nothing to bend over about. to ur points, the southwest is a party of all and it reflected in their votes,so, there is no way they ll loose any party courtship,do u know they even voted for kowa, Lol, finally in the voice of GEJ," The southwest is so sophisticated or so enlightened to align itself to only one party"

cktheluckyman:
with the way thing are the SW political bloc is now the weakest in the land.This would be brought to the fore in 2019 or 2023 whenever APC choses to field osinbanjo as presidential candidate.unlike when we had the SS/SE backing GEJ,The sw would have to go it alone because the PDP would field a northerner and a VP from the SS/SE

Yeah bro, they are so weak that they occupy the VP position. You SE folks are just so stup.id it's unbelievable. Your folks have been rendered politically irrelevant for at least the next four years yet you put a spin on it and still talk shyt. This last election has more than ever demonstrated how irrelevant your bloc votes are as a region. Buhari didn't and doesn't need you to win re-election, and neither will Osinbajo should he choose to run after Buhari's tenure ends.

Holadpearl:



That is my point,ur demands are good but should come as a form of an integration not separation threats. Obama becoming the President of America today is a dividend of emancipation struggles not secession

Over time I have realised that violence, threat to violence or even threat to secession has never worked with respect to our demands. Let me be very blunt, every region one way or the other feel marginalised. If it's not economic marginalisation, it is social. If it is not social, it is political. One way or the other we all cry marginalisation. The only way to address the economic marginalisation is through the implementation of True Federalism and Resources Control. To solve that of socio-political requires political sophistication. We can't continue to feign ignorance when the truth is staring at us.

WisdomFlakes:


Yeah bro, they are so weak that they occupy the VP position. You SE folks are just so stup.id it's unbelievable. Your folks have been rendered politically irrelevant for at least the next four years yet you put a spin on it and still talk shyt. This last election has more than ever demonstrated how irrelevant your bloc votes are as a region. Buhari didn't and doesn't need you to win re-election, and neither will Osinbajo should he choose to run after Buhari's tenure ends.

Bros the future is more than just 4 years or eight years!!! you have succeeded destroying the fragile southern unity we achieved over the past decade. The way it is the northerners will rule us for the next 50 years!!

When the time comes we shall see how Osinbanjo would be able to win election against a northern candidate without help from the SS/SE.It is not all about ranting on the internet.

barcanista:
Over time I have realised that violence, threat to violence or even threat to secession has never worked with respect to our demands. Let me be very blunt, every region one way or the other feel marginalised. If it's not economic marginalisation, it is social. If it is not social, it is political. One way or the other we all cry marginalisation. The only way to address the economic marginalisation is through the implementation of True Federalism and Resources Control. To solve that of socio-political requires political sophistication. We can't continue to feign ignorance when the truth is staring at us.

Well, the igbos have always been clear about their preference for secession -- a fact they demonstrated by initiating a tragic civil war in which they lost resoundingly, however, that spirit of secession is ever fervent in their collective psyche. And frankly, I personally would love to see them get their wish of having their Biafra coz they are an irredeemably toxic bunch, except for a handful of them.

As for the SS, that group is way too diverse to speak in unison -- we are talking about hundreds of ethnic groups with separate socio-political aspirations, unlike the more homogeneous Igbos. Consequently, I treat any talk of a "united" SS as an aberration and fantastic prospect in the current Nigeria political environment.

cktheluckyman:

Bros the future is more than just 4 years or eight years!!! you have succeeded destroying the fragile southern unity we achieved over the past decade. The way it is the northerners will rule us for the next 50 years!!

When the time comes we shall see how Osinbanjo would be able to win election against a northern candidate without help from the SS/SE.It is not all about ranting on the internet.

We in the SW have done it before and history is on our side in that respect, and we will do it again when that time comes, dis one no be mouth. In 2003, OBJ beat Buhari to clinch a second term. Whoever Buhari endorses after his tenure ends will be the next president, and more so if he (Buhari) performs well as president. PDP is dead in the North as the figures there from this last elections have proved. As for the SS, I trust them to be more pragmatic in the next elections and vote Buhari/APC while SE can keep hating Buhari.

WisdomFlakes:


Well, the igbos have always been clear about their preference for secession -- a fact they demonstrated by initiating tragic civil war in which they lost resoundingly, however, that spirit of secession is ever fervent in their collective psyche. And frankly, I personally would love to see them get their wish of having their Biafra coz they are an irredeemably toxic bunch, except for a handful of them.

As for the SS, that group is way too diverse to speak in unison -- we ate talking about hundreds of ethnic groups with separate socio-political aspirations, unlike the more homogeneous Igbos. Consequently, I treat any talk of a "united" SS as an aberration and fantastic prospect in extant Nigerian political environment.

Time shall tell.The ibibios,annamgs,efiks,urhobos,itsekiris etc all voted unanimously for GEJ in 2011 and 2015.We shall see what will happen in future.But the way things are now,it wil be very difficult for any southerner to ever emerge president.most people in the SS/SE now see the SW as traitors and I don't see them been rewarded with the presidency whether in 2019 or 2023

WisdomFlakes:


We in the SW have done it before and history is on our side in that respect, and we will do it again when that time come, dis one no be mouth . In 2003, OBJ beat Buhari to clinch a second term. Whoever Buhari endorses after his tenure ends will be the next president. PDP is dead in the North as the figures there from this last elections have proved. As for the SS, I trust them to be more pragmatic in the next elections and vote Buhari/APC while SE can keep hating. Buhari.

even while I think the elections was rigged,OBJ would have won in the entire south.He enjoyed total souther solidarity.the sw did not offer the same support to GEJ in 2015 and I don't see the SE/SS rewarding them with presidency.Whether PDP dies or not is immaterial where is APP,ANPP,CPC,AD,AC,ACN, ETC? My main point is on regions and not on parties.BTW do you really think the average northerner wil vote for osinbanjo against a Sule Lamido or Adamu Muazu jus because Osinbanjo is APC? Is that what you really think? Lets even assume PDP dies let you said,what stops the northerners from forming another party to ensure one of their own succeeds Buhari whether in 2019 or 2023

barcanista:
Over time I have realised that violence, threat to violence or even threat to secession has never worked with respect to our demands. Let me be very blunt, every region one way or the other feel marginalised. If it's not economic marginalisation, it is social. If it is not social, it is political. One way or the other we all cry marginalisation. The only way to address the economic marginalisation is through the implementation of True Federalism and Resources Control. To solve that of socio-political requires political sophistication. We can't continue to feign ignorance when the truth is staring at us.

Well said,this opinion,will foster us together rather than divide us,there is injustice in the system but only only political sophistication can solve it rather than secession.we are on the same page on this

cktheluckyman:


But the way things are now,it wil be very difficult for any southerner to ever emerge president.most people in the SS/SE now see the SW as traitors and I don't see them been rewarded with the presidency whether in 2019 or 2023

That is a lie straight from the pits of hell. There are honorable men from the north, just as there are everywhere else in Nigeria, and vice-versa. But I doubt some igbos like yourself would ever see that due to your instinctive hatred and distrust for northerners.

WisdomFlakes:


Well, the igbos have always been clear about their preference for secession -- a fact they demonstrated by initiating tragic civil war in which they lost resoundingly, however, that spirit of secession is ever fervent in their collective psyche. And frankly, I personally would love to see them get their wish of having their Biafra coz they are an irredeemably toxic bunch, except for a handful of them.

As for the SS, that group is way too diverse to speak in unison -- we ate talking about hundreds of ethnic groups with separate socio-political aspirations, unlike the more homogeneous Igbos. Consequently, I treat any talk of a "united" SS as an aberration and fantastic prospect in extant Nigerian political environment.

There was an event that led to the civil war of 1967-1970. After the War, rather than embark on a healing process, the Nigeria elite from ALL sides were more concerned with making political fortune for themselves by playing the card where it favors them. That is gone anyway!!!

Truly, some Igbos and others prefer secession due to loss of confidence in the Nigeria state to address some problems. Though some so-called secessionists are selfish. What Nigeria government is to do is to bring everybody together to see how some of these challenges that are bedeviling the country can be addressed so as to regain confidence of the people and foster national unity.


BTW: You shouldn't insult a whole tribe..