We will show them Our signs in the Universe and inside their selves, until it will become quite clear to them that it is the truth. Is it not sufficient as regards your Lord that He is a witness over all things? (The Noble Quran, 41:53)"


EMBRYOLOGY


MAN IS CREATED FROM ALAQ---A LEECH-LIKE SUBSTANCE


A few years ago a group of Arabs collected all information concerning embryology from the QUR'AN, and followed the instruction of the QUR'AN:


"If ye realise this not, ask Of those who possess the Message."

[AL-QUR'AN 16:43 & 21:7]
All the information from the QUR'AN so gathered, was translated into English and presented to Prof. (Dr.) Keith Moore, who was the Professor of Embryology and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy at the University of Toronto, in Canada. At present he is one of the highest authorities in the field of Embryology. He was asked to give his opinion regarding the information present in the QUR'AN concerning the field of embryology. After carefully examining the translation of the Qur'anic verses presented to him, Dr. Moore said that most of the information concerning embryology mentioned in the QUR'AN is in perfect conformity with modern discoveries in the field of embryology and does not conflict with them in any way. He added that there were however a few verses, on whose scientific accuracy he could not comment. He could not say whether the statements were true or false, since he himself was not aware of the information contained therein. There was also mention of this information in modern writings and studies on embryology. One such verse is:


"Proclaim! (or Read!) In the name Of thy Lord and Cherisher, WHO created---Created man, out of A (mere) clot Of congealed blood."

[AL-QUR'AN 96:1-2]
The word 'alaq' besides meaning a congealed clot of blood also means something that clings, a leech-like substance. Dr. Keith Moore had no knowledge whether an embryo in the initial stages appears like a leech. To check this out he studied the initial stage of the embryo under a very powerful microscope in his laboratory and compared what he observed with a diagram of a leech and he was astonished at the striking resemblance between the two! In the same manner, he acquired more information on embryology, that was hitherto not known to him, from the QUR'AN.

Dr. Keith Moore answered about eighty questions dealing with embryological data mentioned in the QUR'AN and HADITH. Noting that the information contained in the QUR'AN and HADITH was in full agreement with the latest discoveries in the field of embryology, Prof. Moore said, "If I was asked these questions thirty years ago, I would not have been able to answer half of them for lack of scientific information."

Dr. Keith Moore had earlier authored the book, 'The Developing Human'.After acquiring new knowledge from the QUR'AN, he wrote, in 1982, the 3rd edition of the same book, 'The Developing Human'. The book was the recipient of an award for the best medical book written by a single author. This book has been translated into several major languages of the world and is used as a textbook of embryology in the first year of medical studies. In 1981, during the Seventh Medical Conference in Dammam, Saudi Arabia, Dr. Moore said, "It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the QUR'AN about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to MUHAMMAD---sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam--- from GOD or ALLAH, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that MUHAMMAD---sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam--- must have been a messenger of GOD or ALLAH{The reference for this statement is the video tape titled 'This is the Truth'.For a copy of this video tape contact the Islamic Research Foundation}.

Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson, Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, U.S.A., proclaims: "... these HADITHS, sayings of MUHAMMAD---sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam--- could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the writer (7th century). It follows that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion (ISLAM) but in fact religion (ISLAM) may guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches... there exist statements in the QUR'AN shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the QUR'AN having been derived from GOD."


MAN CREATED FROM A DROP EMITTED FROM BETWEEN THE BACKBONE AND THE RIBS


"Now let man but think From what he is created! He is created from A drop emitted --- Proceeding from between The back bone and the ribs."

[AL-QUR'AN 86:5-7]
In embryonic stages, the reproductive organs of the male and female, i.e. the testicles and the ovaries, begin their development near the kidney between the spinal column and the eleventh and twelfth ribs. Later they descend; the female gonads(ovaries) stop in the pelvis while the male gonads(testicles) continue their descent before birth to reach the scrotum through the inguinal canal. Even in the adult after the descent of the reproductive organ, these organs receive their nerve supply and blood supply from the Abdominal Aorta, which is in the area between the back bone(spinal column) and the ribs. Even the lymphatic drainage and the venous return goes to the same area.


HUMAN BEINGS CREATED FROM NUTFAH (Minute Quantity of Liquid)


The Glorious QUR'AN mentions no less than eleven times that the human being is created from 'nutfah', which means a minute quantity of liquid or a trickle of liquid which remains after emptying a cup. This is mentioned in several verses of the QUR'AN including 22:5 and 23:13. {The same is also mentioned in the QUR'AN in 16:4, 18:37, 35:11, 36:77, 40:67, 53:46, 75:37, 76:2 and 80:19} Science has confirmed in recent times that only one out of an average of three million sperms is required for fertilising the ovum. This means that only a 1/three millionth part or 0.00003% of the quantity of sperms that are emitted is required for fertilisation.


HUMAN BEINGS CREATED FROM SULALAH (quintessence of liquid)


"And made his progeny From a quintessence Of the nature of A fluid despised."

[AL-QUR'AN 32:8]
The Arabic word 'sulalah' means quintessence or the best part of a whole. We have come to know now that only one single spermatozoan that penetrates the ovum is required for fertilization, out of the several millions produced by man. That one spermatozoan out of several millions, is referred to in the QUR'AN as 'sulalah'. 'Sulalah' also means gentle extraction from a fluid.The fluid refers to both male and female germinal fluids containing gametes. Both ovum and sperm are gently extracted from their environments in the process of fertilization.


MAN CREATED FROM NUTFATUN AMSHAAJ (Mingled liquids)


Consider the following Qur'anic verse:


"Verily WE created Man from a drop Of mingled sperm."

[AL-QUR'AN 76:2]
The Arabic word 'nutfatun amshaajin' means mingled liquids. According to some commentators of the QUR'AN, mingled liquids refers to the male or female agents or liquids. After mixture of male and female gamete, the zygote still remains 'nutfah'. Mingled liquids can also refer to spermatic fluid that is formed of various secretions that come from various glands. Therefore 'nutfatun amshaaj', i.e. a minute quantity of mingled fluids refers to the male and female gametes (germinal fluids or cells) and part of the surrounding fluids.


SEX DETERMINATION


The sex of a foetus is determined by the nature of the sperm and not the ovum. The sex of the chil, whether female or male, depends on whether the 23rd pair of chromosomes is XX or XY respectively. Primarily sex determination occurs at fertilization and depends upon the type of sex chromosome in the sperm that fertilizes an ovum. If it is an 'X' bearing sperm that fertilizes the ovum, the foetus is a female and if it is a 'Y' bearing sperm then the foetus is a male.


"That HE did create In pairs---male and female, From a seed when lodged (In its place)."

[AL-QUR'AN 53:45-46]
The Arabic word 'nutfah' means a minute quantity of liquid and 'tumna' means ejaculated or planted. Therefore 'nutfah' specifically refers to sperm because it is ejaculated.


The QUR'AN says:


"Was he not a drop Of sperm emitted (In lowly form)? Then did he become A clinging clot; Then did (ALLAH) make And fashion (him) In due proportion. And of him HE made Two sexes, male And female."

[AL-QUR'AN 75:37-39]
Here again it is mentioned that a small quantity (drop) of sperm (indicated by the word 'nutfatan min maniyyin) which comes from the man is responsible for the sex of the foetus. Mothers-in-law in the Indian subcontinent, by and large prefer having male grandchildren and often blame their daughters-in-law if the child is not of the desired sex. If only they knew that the determining factor is the nature of the male sperm and not the female ovum! If they were to blame anybody, they should blame their sons and not their daughters-in-law since both the QUR'AN and Science hold that it is the male fluid that is responsible for the sex of the child!


FOETUS PROTECTED BY THREE VEILS OF DARKNESS


"HE makes you, In the wombs of your mothers, In stages, one after another, In three veils of darkness."

[AL-QUR'AN 39:6]
According to Prof. Keith Moore these three veils of darkness in the QUR'AN refer to"
(a) anterior abdominal wall of the mother
(b)the uterine wall (c)the amnio-chorionoic membrane.
EMBRYONIC STAGES


"Man WE did create From a quintessence (of clay); Then WE placed him As ( a drop of) sperm In a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then WE made the sperm Into a clot of congealed blood; Then of that clot WE made A (foetus) lump; then WE Made out of that lump Bones and clothed the bones With flesh; then WE developed Out of it another creature. So blessed be ALLAH, The Best to create!"- Ask any medical professional, this is the perfect description of the stages of development of a foetus, keep in mind, The Quran was sent 1400 years ago.

[AL-QUR'AN 23:12-14]
In this verse ALLAH states that man is created from a small quantity of liquid which is placed in a place of rest, firmly fixed(well established or lodged) for which the Arabic word 'qararin makin' is used. The uterus is well protected from the posterior by the spinal column supported firmly by the back muscles. The embryo is further protected by the amniotic sac containing the amniotic fluid. Thus the foetus has a well protected dwelling place. This small quantity of fluid is made into 'alaqah', meaning something which clings. It also means a leech-like substance. Both descriptions are scientifically acceptable as in the very early stages the foetus clings to the wall and also appears to resemble the leech in shape. It also behaves like a leech(blood sucker) and acquires its blood supply from the mother through the placenta. The third meaning of the word 'alaqah' is a blood clot. During this 'alaqah' stage, which spans the third and fourth week of pregnancy, the blood clots within closed vessels. Hence, the embryo acquires the appearance of a blood clot in addition to acquiring the appearance of a leech. In 1677, Hamm and Leeuwenhoek were the first scientists to observe human sperm cells(spermatozoa) using a microscope. They thought that a sperm cell contained a miniature human being which grew in the uterus to form a newborn. This was known as the perforation theory. When scientists discovered that the ovum was bigger than the sperm, it was thought by De Graf and others that the foetus existed in a miniature form in the ovum. Later, in the 18th century Maupertuis propagated the theory of biparental inheritence. The 'alaqah' is transformed into 'mudghah' which means 'something that is chewed(having teeth marks)' and also something that is tacky and small which can be put in the mouth like gum. Both these explanations are scientifically correct. Prof. Keith Moore took a piece of plaster seal and made it into the size and shape of the early stage of foetus and chewed it between the teeth to make it into a 'Mudgha'. He compared this with the photographs of the early stage of foetus. The teeth marks resembled the 'somites' which is the early formation of the spinal column. This 'mudghah' is transformed into bones (izam). The bones are clothed with intact flesh or muscles (lahm). Then ALLAH makes it into another creature.
Prof. Marshall Johnson is one of the leading scientists in US, and is the head of the Department of Anatomy and Director of the Daniel Institute at the Thomas Jefferson University in Philadelphia in US. He was asked to comment on the verses of the QUR'AN dealing with embryology. He said that the verses of the QUR'AN describing the embryological stages cannot be a coincidence. He said it was probable that MUHAMMAD---sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam--- had a powerful microscope. On being reminded that the QUR'AN was revealed 1400 years ago, and microscopes were invented centuries after the time of PROPHET MUHAMMAD---sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam---, Prof. Johnson laughed and admitted that the first microscope invented could not magnify more than 10 times and could not show a clear picture. Later he said: "I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that Divine intervention was involved when MUHAMMAD---sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam--- recited the QUR'AN."

According to Dr. Keith Moore, the modern classification of embryonic development stages which is adopted throughout the world, is not easily comprehensible, since it identifies stages on a numerical basis i.e. stage 1, stage 2, etc. The divisions revealed in the QUR'AN are based on distinct and easily identifiable forms or shapes, which the embryo passes through. These are based on different phases of prenatal development and provide elegant scientific descriptions that are comprehensible and practical. Similar embryological stages of human development have been described in the following verse:


"Was he not a drop Of sperm emitted (In lowly form)? Then did he become A clinging clot; Then did (ALLAH) make And fashion (him) In due proportion. And of him HE made Two sexes, male And female."

[AL-QUR'AN 75:37-39]

"HIM WHO created thee, Fashioned thee in due proportion, And gave thee a just bias; In whatever Form HE wills, Does HE put thee together."

[AL-QUR'AN 82:7-8]

EMBRYO PARTLY FORMED AND PARTLY UNFORMED


At the 'mugdhah' stage, if an incision is made in the embryo and the internal organ is dissected, it will be seen that most of them are formed while the others are not yet completely formed. According to Prof. Johnson, if we describe the embryo as a complete creation, then we are only describing that part which is already created.If we describe it as an incomplete creation, then we are only describing that part which is not yet created. So, is it a complete creation or an incomplete creation? There is no better description of this stage of embryogenesis than the Qur'anic description, 'partly formed and partly unformed', as in the following verse:


"WE created you Out of dust, then out of Sperm, then out of a leech-like Clot, then out of a morsel Of flesh, partly formed And partly unformed."

[AL-QUR'AN 22:5]
Scientifically we know that at this early stage of development there are some cells which are differentiated and there are some cells that are undifferentiated---some organs are formed and yet others unformed.


SENSE OF HEARING AND SIGHT


Thefirst sense to develop in a developing human embryo is hearing. The foetus can hear sounds after the 24th wek. Subsequently, the sense of sight is developed and by the 28th week, the retina becomes sensitive to light. Consider the following Qur'anic verses related to the development of the senses in the embryo:


"And HE gave You (the faculties of) hearing And sight and feeling (And understanding)."

[AL-QUR'AN 32:9]

"Verily WE created Man from a drop Of mingled sperm, In order to try him: So WE gave him (the gifts), Of Hearing and Sight."
[AL-QUR'AN 76:2]

"It is HE WHO has created For you (the faculties of) Hearing, sight, feeling And understanding: little thanks It is ye give!"

[AL-QUR'AN 23:78]
In all these verses the sense of hearing is mentioned before that of sight. Thus the Qur'anic description matches with the discoveries in modern embryology.

This is the pictorial comparison between a leech and a sperm, as mentioned in the Quran 1400 years ago, something scientists could only recently discover.

o ALLAH be praise

I got this from an old discussion between mazaje and another muslim here.

What was written in the koran is not a radical departure from Galen, it is different from it but not a radical departure and even the koran got it wrong as well. . .

Here is what is written in the koran. . .

1.Translation by Maulana Muhammad Ali : Then We make the life-germ a clot, then We make the clot a lump of flesh, then We make (in) the lump of flesh bones, then We clothe the bones with flesh, then We cause it to grow into another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators.

2.Translation by progressive muslims organization : Then We created the seed into an embryo, then We created the embryo into a fetus, then We created the fetus into bone, then We covered the bone with flesh, then We brought forth a new creation. So glory be to God, the best of creators.

3.Translation by Abdullah Yusuf Ali : Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!

In this ayha it's writes that bones appear before flesh but this is false. Go through the scientific links below and see the error of the koran. . . So the koran is wrong simple.

Sources :
1.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus
2.http://www.dcdoctor.com/pages/rightpages_wellnesscenter/pregnancy/fetaldevelopmenmt.htm
3.http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-week-by-week

EzioAuditore:
This is the pictorial comparison between a leech and a sperm, as mentioned in the Quran 1400 years ago, something scientists could only recently discover.

The embryo in full with its yolk sac does not resemble a leech. Its dorsal view looks like a leech but its complete view does not.

dalaman:


The embryo in full with its yolk sac does not resemble a leech. Its dorsal view looks like a leech but its complete view does not.

Lola! It still does! And if a certain view of it looks like a leech, remember, 1400years ago.

dalaman:
I got this from an old discussion between mazaje and another muslim here.

What was written in the koran is not a radical departure from Galen, it is different from it but not a radical departure and even the koran got it wrong as well. . .

Here is what is written in the koran. . .

1.Translation by Maulana Muhammad Ali : Then We make the life-germ a clot, then We make the clot a lump of flesh, then We make (in) the lump of flesh bones, then We clothe the bones with flesh, then We cause it to grow into another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators.

2.Translation by progressive muslims organization : Then We created the seed into an embryo, then We created the embryo into a fetus, then We created the fetus into bone, then We covered the bone with flesh, then We brought forth a new creation. So glory be to God, the best of creators.

3.Translation by Abdullah Yusuf Ali : Then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood; then of that clot We made a (foetus) lump; then we made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then we developed out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, the best to create!

In this ayha it's writes that bones appear before flesh but this is false. Go through the scientific links below and see the error of the koran. . . So the koran is wrong simple.

Sources :
1.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fetus
2.http://www.dcdoctor.com/pages/rightpages_wellnesscenter/pregnancy/fetaldevelopmenmt.htm
3.http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-week-by-week

Lol! It took you dweebs long enough! Muscles and bones are formed simultaneously, iyou can confirm that anywhere you want, which ever one is written first must be correct! you'd notice, the Quran did not say create, but still 1400years ago, who can boast of such knowledge!

EzioAuditore:


Lol! It took you dweebs long enough! Muscles and bones are formed simultaneously, iyou can confirm that anywhere you want, which ever one is written first must be correct! you'd notice, the Quran did not say create, but still 1400years ago, who can boast of such knowledge!

I said the Koran is wrong, I gave you three scientific sources on embryology that says it is false and you are spewing more trash. The koran neglects the role of the ovum, secondly at no point is the embryo a cloth of blood as the koran says, and at no point does the embryo resemble a leech, the embryo with it yolk sac does not in any way resemble a leech. And finally at no point does the embryo develop bones that is later covered with flesh around it, bones and cartilages develop later when the embryo is already flesh. The Koran is simply WRONG. Provide a single scientific paper that supports you amd not some propaganda from muslim apologist websites.

EzioAuditore:


Lola! It still does! And if a certain view of it looks like a leech, remember, 1400years ago.

1400 years ago the Koran says that bones appear before flesh. Now we know that to be false.

dalaman:


I said the Koran is wrong, I gave you three scientific sources on embryology that says it is false and you are spewing more trash. The koran neglects the role of the ovum, secondly at no point is the embryo a cloth of blood as the koran says, and at no point does the embryo resemble a leech, the embryo with it yolk sac does not in any way resemble a leech. And finally at no point does the embryo develop bones that is later covered with flesh around it, bones and cartilages develop later when the embryo is already flesh. The Koran is simply WRONG. Provide a single scientific paper that supports you amd not some propaganda from muslim apologist websites.

I'm afraid a citation is too much to ask for https://www.nairaland.com/2278237/adam-really-90ft-tall-scientific/1#33128505

dalaman:


1400 years ago the Koran says that bones appear before flesh. Now we know that to be false.

Muscles and bones develop simultaneously! And remember bones are lodged into muscles, so to me that is perfectly correct.

In any case, people living at that time would have seen miscarriages at various stages of pregnancy and so knowledge of what the developing fetus looked like would have been quite well known. There is absolutely nothing stated in the Quran that reflects any kind of miraculous knowledge.

In any case, Keith Moore refuses to confirm anything that he said all those years ago, preferring simply to say that it has been a while since he was involved with the Quran. Doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement to me.

EzioAuditore:

Muscles and bones develop simultaneously! And remember bones are lodged into muscles, so to me that is perfectly correct.

This is what the Koran says :

Then We created the seed into an embryo, then We created the embryo into a fetus, then We created the fetus into bone, then We covered the bone with flesh, then We brought forth a new creation. So glory be to God, the best of creators.

It clearly says that we create the fetus into bone and then we cover the fetus with flesh. Where does it mention muscles and bones developing simultaneously ? Are you now trying to tell lies fot Allah?

onetrack:
In any case, people living at that time would have seen miscarriages at various stages of pregnancy and so knowledge of what the developing fetus looked like would have been quite well known. There is absolutely nothing stated in the Quran that reflects any kind of miraculous knowledge.

In any case, Keith Moore refuses to confirm anything that he said all those years ago, preferring simply to say that it has been a while since he was involved with the Quran. Doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement to me.

Keith Moore has since ran away from the lies he told the muslims. Now he doesn't even want to talk about any Koranic embryology anymore.

dalaman:


This is what the Koran says :

Then We created the seed into an embryo, then We created the embryo into a fetus, then We created the fetus into bone, then We covered the bone with flesh, then We brought forth a new creation. So glory be to God, the best of creators.

It clearly says that we create the fetus into bone and then we cover the fetus with flesh. Where does it mention muscles and bones developing simultaneously ? Are you now trying to tell lies fot Allah?

Lol! This plonker almost confused me, please read the original post and it says

Man WE did create From a quintessence (of clay); Then WE placed him As ( a drop of) sperm In a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then WE made the sperm Into a clot of congealed blood; Then of that clot WE made A (foetus) lump; then WE Made out of that lump Bones and clothed the bones With flesh; then WE developed Out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, The Best to create!"


Why did you have to lie? Is this what you resort to when you have no choice? There it clearly states that there was flesh before bones. Please refrain from lying in the future.

EzioAuditore:


Lol! This plonker almost confused me, please read the original post and it says

Man WE did create From a quintessence (of clay); Then WE placed him As ( a drop of) sperm In a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then WE made the sperm Into a clot of congealed blood; Then of that clot WE made A (foetus) lump; then WE Made out of that lump Bones and clothed the bones With flesh; then WE developed Out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, The Best to create!"

Let's just get things clear. The Koran neglects the role of the ovum, secondly at no point is the embryo a cloth of blood as the Koran says. It clearly says that the bones is made out of the lump and clothed with flesh. It is not like that in reality. Show me one scientific book that makes such a claim. The Koran is simply wrong.

Why did you have to lie? Is this what you resort to when you have no choice? There it clearly states that there was flesh before bones. Please refrain from lying in the future.

Where did it clearly states there was flesh before bones? Here it is again:

"Then of that clot WE made A (foetus) lump; then WE Made out of that lump Bones and clothed the bones With flesh; then WE developed Out of it another creature."

Where does it say there was flesh before bones? . You are clearly telling lies for Allah.

dalaman:


Let's just get things clear. The Koran neglects the role of the ovum, secondly at no point is the embryo a cloth of blood as the Koran says. It clearly says that the bones is made out of the lump and clothed with flesh. It is not like that in reality. Show me one scientific book that makes such a claim. The Koran is simply wrong.




Where did it clearly states there was flesh before bones? Here it is again:

"Then of that clot WE made A (foetus) lump; then WE Made out of that lump Bones and clothed the bones With flesh; then WE developed Out of it another creature."

Where does it say there was flesh before bones? . You are clearly telling lies for Allah.

Lmao! Dude! Can you read? If you had read the first part you'd have read that AlAlaq was translated as either a cloth of Blood or a leech like substance, seen. It? Good! Here we're assuming al Alaq means a leech like substance, and like you said yourself, the leech does look like the foetus. You try to hide the truth, but! Read the highlighted part, since you decided to hide the flesh, tell me what a lump of foetus would be made of" you're looking at things objectively and you're not trying to understand therefore in the process you're making yourself look like a dimwit! Here's further reading on the meaning of al Alaq dweeb! Since you are to blind to see it!

The linguistic definition of ′alaq علق (singular 'alaqah علقة) is "leech", "medicinal leech", "coagulated blood", "blood clot", [1] ′Alaq is also a derivative of 'alaqa which means "attached and hanging to something." [2] Professor Abdul Haleem mentions that "′alaq can also mean anything that clings: a clot of blood, a leech, even a lump of mud. All these meanings involve the basic idea of clinging or sticking."[3]

EzioAuditore:


Lmao! Dude! Can you read? If you had read the first part you'd have read that AlAlaq was translated as either a cloth of Blood or a leech like substance, seen. It? Good! Here we're assuming al Alaq means a leech like substance, and like you said yourself, the leech does look like the foetus. You try to hide the truth, but! Read the highlighted part, since you decided to hide the flesh, tell me what a lump of foetus would be made of" you're looking at things objectively and you're not trying to understand therefore in the process you're making yourself look like a dimwit! Here's further reading on the meaning of al Alaq dweeb! Since you are to blind to see it!

Again you are deluded and the Koran is wrong, no amount of gymnastic will save you here. If you claim alaq is a leech then its definitely not a fetus and it doesn't make any sense. The translators of the Koran who understand Arabic more than all the people from your village translated it as "clot of congealed blood". The fetus is never a clot of blood at anytime. It clearly said a lump then the lump is turned into bones and the bones is covered by flesh. It never said a lump of flesh. The lump could be a lump of blood after all it says we turn the clot of congealed blood into a lump. Meaning the lump is a lump of blood Read it its there. Stop telling lies for Allah.

The linguistic definition of ′alaq علق (singular 'alaqah علقة) is "leech", "medicinal leech", "coagulated blood", "blood clot", [1] ′Alaq is also a derivative of 'alaqa which means "attached and hanging to something." [2] Professor Abdul Haleem mentions that "′alaq can also mean anything that clings: a clot of blood, a leech, even a lump of mud. All these meanings involve the basic idea of clinging or sticking."[3]

More thrash. The fetus is non of the nonsense written above. The fetus is never a clot of blood, a leech, even a lump of mud. Try another lie. The Koran is wrong.

dalaman:


Again you are deluded and the Koran is wrong, no amount of gymnastic will save you here. If you claim alaq is a leech then its definitely not a fetus and it doesn't make any sense. The translators of the Koran who understand Arabic more than all the people from your village translated it as "clot of congealed blood". The fetus is never a clot of blood at anytime. It clearly said a lump then the lump is turned into bones and the bones is covered by flesh. It never said a lump of flesh. The lump could be a lump of blood after all it says we turn the clot of congealed blood into a lump. Meaning the lump is a lump of blood Read it its there. Stop telling lies for Allah.



More thrash. The fetus is non of the nonsense written above. The fetus is never a clot of blood, a leech, even a lump of mud. Try another lie. The Koran is wrong.

Do you speak English? Please, I need an honest answer! A leech like substance and a leech means the same thing to you? You've gone to the dogs!

EzioAuditore:



Do you speak English? Please, I need an honest answer! A leech like substance and a leech means the same thing to you? You've gone to the dogs!

You remain deluded no amount of gymnastic will save you today. The Koran said that a cloth of blood is turned into a lump. At no point is the embryo a cloth of blood. You claim the the translators are wrong that the word means a leech because it clings. The question now is does this mean that the foetus only clings to the uterus wall for a few days? Obviously it remains attached for the entire nine months of gestation.

Which ever way you look at it the Koran is wrong. It begins by saying that we created from essence of clay. What nonsense is that? Clay? Clay is a fine grained hydrous aluminum phyllosilicate; carbon, which is the element to consider in organic chemistry, is present as a contaminant, but the primary elements of clay are aluminum and silicon. It’s nothing like the composition of the human body. The writers of the Koran are clearly out of their depths. They don't know what they are saying.

dalaman:


You remain deluded no amount of gymnastic will save you today. The Koran said that a cloth of blood is turned into a lump. At no point is the embryo a cloth of blood. You claim the the translators are wrong that the word means a leech because it clings. The question now is does this mean that the foetus only clings to the uterus wall for a few days? Obviously it remains attached for the entire nine months of gestation.

Which ever way you look at it the Koran is wrong. It begins by saying that we created from essence of clay. What nonsense is that? Clay? Clay is a fine grained hydrous aluminum phyllosilicate; carbon, which is the element to consider in organic chemistry, is present as a contaminant, but the primary elements of clay are aluminum and silicon. It’s nothing like the composition of the human body. The writers of the Koran are clearly out of their depths. They don't know what they are saying.

Lmao! Why did you ignore my other points? Liar liar pants on fire! The first part of the post states that the same word also meant a leech like substance does it not? Then this plonker evaded that part! Then he tried to twist the verses of the Quran to suit his claims, he almost got me then but again his lies were exposed and it did not works, again! Now he's running away and running into another subject, smh! Grow up!

EzioAuditore:


Lmao! Why did you ignore my other points? Liar liar pants on fire! The first part of the post states that the same word also meant a leech like substance does it not? Then this plonker evaded that part! Then he tried to twist the verses of the Quran to suit his claims, he almost got me then but again his lies were exposed and it did not works, again! Now he's running away and running into another subject, smh! Grow up!

Here it is once again. The Koran said that a cloth of blood is turned into a lump. At no point is the embryo a cloth of blood. You claim the the translators are wrong that the word means a leech because it clings. The question now is does this mean that the foetus only clings to the uterus wall for a few days? Obviously it remains attached for the entire nine months of gestation. You have been calling me a liar when you are the one that has been consistently lying, Point to any lie that I have made please.

dalaman:


Here it is once again. The Koran said that a cloth of blood is turned into a lump. At no point is the embryo a cloth of blood. You claim the the translators are wrong that the word means a leech because it clings. The question now is does this mean that the foetus only clings to the uterus wall for a few days? Obviously it remains attached for the entire nine months of gestation. You have been calling me a liar when you are the one that has been consistently lying, Point to any lie that I have made please.

What is the Arabic word used for clot of blood in that verse? Where does it say it clings only for a few days? Do you read the things you post here? You are utterly clueless! But now answer my first question!

EzioAuditore:


What is the Arabic word used for clot of blood in that verse? Where does it say it clings only for a few days? Do you read the things you post here? You are utterly clueless! But now answer my first question!

I gave you 3 different translations that all translated the word as a cloth of blood. The forth translation you brought still translated the word as a cloth of blood. Provide one English translation of the Koran that translated the word as leech or remain quite.

dalaman:


I gave you 3 different translations that all translated the word as a cloth of blood. The forth translation you brought still translated the word as a cloth of blood. Provide one English translation of the Koran that translated the word as leech or remain quite.

Have you ever heard of tafsir in your life? again! If you knew that, you wouldn't come over here with your tail between your legs making a fo*l out of yourself and your religion. Read the tafsir on this verse here http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm and if you still have more questions, you know where to stick it, that's like saying you understand the Quran more than the muslims trained to interpret it which would confirm what I've already known, you've lost the plot!

EzioAuditore:


Have you ever heard of tafsir in your life? again! If you knew that, you wouldn't come over here with your tail between your legs making a fo*l out of yourself and your religion. Read the tafsir on this verse here http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm and if you still have more questions, you know where to stick it, that's like saying you understand the Quran more than the muslims trained to interpret it which would confirm what I've already known, you've lost the plot!

You are deluded. The embryo is not made from clay, at no stage is a cloth of blood, at no stage does it resemble a leech. And finally at no point does the embryo develop bones that is later covered with flesh around it, bones and cartilages develop later when the embryo is already flesh. The Koran is wrong simple.

EzioAuditore:


http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm and if you still have more questions, you know where to stick it, that's like saying you understand the Quran more than the muslims trained to interpret it which would confirm what I've already known, you've lost the plot!

Let us get this straight. Muslims have been using Dr. Keith L. Moore to lie over and over again. . .Here are the facts. Dr Moore does NOT agree with the Koran in any way. Dr. Moore is notable as the only embryologist directly quoted by Islamic sources in an attempt to prove embryology as described in the Qur'an is scientifically correct.

Dr. Moore is notable as the only embryologist directly quoted by Islamic sources in an attempt to prove embryology as described in the Qur'an is scientifically correct. In the 1980s he accepted an invitation by the Embryology Committee of King Abdulaziz University to produce a special 3rd edition of his most successful book "The Developing Human" specifically for use by Muslim students in Islamic Universities. He was financially patronized by the Saudi royal family for the use of his name, and for no real additional work.
The textbook he delivered to the Saudi Universities that commissioned the work is titled, "The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology with Islamic Additions."[4] The base textbook was work that Moore had completed years before. He did nothing new for this new edition. The “Islamic additions” are actually the work of an Abdul Majeed al-Zindani, so it alternates chapters of standard science with Zindani's "Islamic additions".


The result of Moore's and Zindani's collaboration is not an academic book and subsequent editions omit and contradict the "Islamic additions". Reverting back to his previous description, they basically admit that the embryology in the Qur'an is a repetition of Greek and Indian medicine[7]
For example, in 1986 he wrote that "The drop or nutfa [in Surah 23:13] has been interpreted as the sperm or spermatozoon, but a more meaningful interpretation would be the zygote which divides to form a blastocyst which is implanted in the uterus ("a place of rest"wink,"[8] but in the 8th edition of The Developing Human (published 2007), he writes that "Growth of science was slow during the medieval period... human beings [according to the Qur'an] are produced from a mixture of secretions from the male and female. Several references are made to the creation of a human being from a nutfa (small drop). It also states that the resulting organism settles in the womb like a seed, 6 days after its beginning."[9]
This shows that Moore's previous statements on embryology in the Qur'an were not based on science, but merely the result of patronage by the Saudi royal family.
J. Needham, a well known authority on the history of embryology and a reference cited in Keith Moore's books, has also dismissed embryology in the Qur'an as merely "a seventh-century echo of Aristotle and the Ayer-veda."[10]


Moore's current CV does not reflect any involvement with Islam, the Qur'an or Islamic embryology. It also omits mentioning the 3rd edition of The Developing Human and its connections to Islamic terrorists. Nor does he mention his lecture in Saudi Arabia or any of his Islam-related activities in Muslim-majority countries.
In 2002, Moore declined to be interviewed by the Wall Street Journal on the subject of his work on Islam, stating that "it's been ten or eleven years since I was involved in the Qur'an."[11]

Even Dr Moore himself has denied his involvement with the Koran. . .

The co writer of his book on Islamic embryology is an alleged terrorist. .

The co-writer of Moore's book is a leading militant Islamist named Abdul Majeed al-Zindani. He is the founder and head of the Iman University in Yemen, head of the Yemeni Muslim Brotherhood political movement and founder of the Commission on Scientific Signs in the Quran and Sunnah (one of the organizations that spearheaded Bucailleism), based in Saudi Arabia.[5]
Zindani served as a contact for Ansar al-Islam (Al), a Kurdish-based terrorist organization linked to al-Qaeda, has links to John Walker Lindh and Anwar al-Awlaki, and in 2004 the US Treasury Department published a press release stating that the United States had by executive order designated Zindani as a "Specially Designated Global Terrorist".[6]
Interestingly, the Acknowledgments for the book recognize a number of “distinguished scholars” who supported the book with time or money. And number 6 on the list is Saifullah Shaykh Osama bin Laden (Zindani had a long history of working with bin Laden, notably serving as one of his spiritual leaders).

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Dr._Keith_Moore_and_the_Islamic_Additions

Stop going to Islamic apologist sites and posting nonsense. Even Dr Moore himself simply sates that the Koran only echos the works of Aristotle and the Ayer-veda. There is nothing in the what is written in the Koran that comes close to modern day embryology.

dalaman:


You are deluded. The embryo is not made from clay, at no stage is a cloth of blood, at no stage does it resemble a leech. And finally at no point does the embryo develop bones that is later covered with flesh around it, bones and cartilages develop later when the embryo is already flesh. The Koran is wrong simple.

Are you an ankle biter? The same claims I used your own evidence to refute, now you're bringing them up again? Did you not admit by yourself that the leech looks like an embryo from a dorsal view? Are you going to deny it now? You're wasting my time here, but keep theses terms in mind, leech-like, foetus lump, the part about clay is another topic on its own. Don't @ me again unless you hvae something new or atleast remotely plausible!

EzioAuditore:


Are you an ankle biter? The same claims I used your own evidence to refute, now you're bringing them up again? Did you not admit by yourself that the leech looks like an embryo from a dorsal view? Are you going to deny it now? You're wasting my time here, but keep theses terms in mind, leech-like, foetus lump, the part about clay is another topic on its own. Don't @ me again unless you hvae something new or atleast remotely plausible!

Stop mixing things up together to cover your lies. The Koran says sperm is turned into a clot of blood which is then turned into a lump after completely negating the role of the ovum. It then says that the lump is them turned into bones and the bones is covered with flesh. Nothing like that is correct. The Koran is wrong simple. No amount of lies will save you.

dalaman:


Stop mixing things up together to cover your lies. The Koran says sperm is turned into a clot of blood which is then turned into a lump after completely negating the role of the ovum. It then says thst the lump is them turned into bones and the bones is covered with flesh. Nothing like that is correct. The Koran is wrong simple. No amount of lies will save you.

Like I saaid, you've lost the plot, I can't keep trying to force one same thing into your tiny tiny mind. Go and find a new selling point or piss off!

EzioAuditore:


Like I saaid, you've lost the plot, I can't keep trying to force one same thing into your tiny tiny mind. Go and find a new selling point or piss off!

Keep trying to force your lies? Well done.

dalaman:


Keep trying to force your lies? Well done.

Lol! Force? Okay git! Now piss off!