CAMNEWTON4PRES:


For both countries?

SA .
Still the 1st Economy on the continent, regardless the doctored numbers by Gej administration
1- Major infrastructural development going own ( dams, highways , hospitals ,housings

2- top African companies & banks competing with multinationals from all over the world

3- Top African cities

4- top universities, fountain of knowledge.


Algeria
1- top army, able to preserve and keep the integrity of the country able to protect their wealth
2- one of the few if not the only country that can't b bullied by the west
3- debt free
4 - good companies & banks competiting against western monopoly in Africa
5- major infrastructural development going on

Their economy is owned by white people, their cities are full of murderous xenophobes and their universities are named after people like Cecil Rhodes.

ezeagu:


That's not how you reply. If they were worth anything, you wouldn't be asking me to build a nursery. The British brought Western education to Nigeria, therefore universities. The early elites went to university. The universities may be under 'black rule', but they don't do 'black rule' any justice.

Kindly stop typing rubbish. The British did NOT build ONE university in their 67 years in power in Nigeria. (By comparison, Jonathan, whom we just voted out for 'incompetence' built 12 in the last four years alone). The ''early elites'' who fought for independence attended universities abroad. There were NONE in Nigeria, until 1962 after independence. Also, there was next to zero infrastructure left by the colonialists. Not a single dual carriageway was built by them. Black rule has transformed Nigeria for the better.

Kanoro:
Obviously most African nations today are an artificial invention with artificial borders cut out for the white man's convenience. However some countries borders are closer to the precolonial kingdoms than others one example being Egypt. Of all the black African nations, I think I'll bet Ghana would be the first. It was only divided up into 2 kingdoms and a few tribes before white intervention and of those 2 kingdoms, one was a tributary state of the other. The Ashante people have been and continue to be relatively successful and organized compared to most of sub-saharan Africa. Ghana has also had very little conflicts as far as wars are concerned and are moving in a good direction. Nigeria would be easily as rich and powerful as any western nation if it weren't for the ridiculous amount of corruption and selfishness in the government. Anyway what are your opinions? I hope to God that during my life time, one of the sub-saharan countries will rise above and pave the way for the rest. I'm an American myself but I sympathize with Africa's stance in the world. They are never taken seriously and always associated with the lesser. What are your opinions?

No African country is an artificial invention. History shows dat wars hv always been fought & d victors always carve out d territories of d vanquished in a manner pleasing 2 them. There r so many examples in history. D invasion of Europe by d Romans, USA, d Red Indians & Canada, Australia & d Aborigines, d English colonized Scotland, Wales & Northern Ireland etc. Even d borders d white men met when they came were not d original borders. Our folklore teaches us dat various wars hv been fought in d past & territories were either gained or lost.

With yr philosophy, d natives at d time d Whiteman came can also claim dat d borders at dat time were artificial. They could claim dat they were artificially conceived by d victor Kings, Obas, Sultans & Emirs 4 their convenience. Dis kind of thinking doesn't help matters & does not lead 2 progress.

What it is is what it is. White men came & conquered. A new law & order reigned over d people. Nigeria is Nigeria. There is nothing artificial about our borders. All countries hv had their borders carved out one way or d other and Nigeria not different. What we make of ourselves now is wat is important. Things abt artificial borders r an unnecessary distraction.

ezeagu:


And South Africa is an occupied country, so what's the difference. I'm looking at Algeria and the president isn't black and never has been, the prime minister isn't black, and the countries official language is Arabic. How is this a black country?

The official language in Nigeria is English so you are not a black country abi?
There are black generals and black leaders in different fields there , you can't decide on the racial makeup of a country because of 2 offices president and PM

Arabic is just a language

Have you seen the actual PM of Libya ?

Rossikk:


Kindly stop typing rubbish. The British did NOT build ONE university in their 67 years in power in Nigeria. The ''early elites'' who fought for independence attended universities abroad. There were NONE in Nigeria, until 1962 after independence. Also, there was next to zero infrastructure left by the colonialists. Not a single dual carriageway was built by them. Black rule has transformed Nigeria for the better.

Oh, so when was University College of Ibadan established? When was the Eastern Line railway, that is still being used today, built? Were Nigerian cities including Calabar, Lagos, Owere, Enugu and so on planned and organised in the early 1900s? Perhaps all I saw was a mirage.

By the way, this isn't about what colonists built, this is how the human condition is supposedly improving in Nigeria, which it isn't.

ezeagu:


Their economy is owned by white people, their cities are full of murderous xenophobes and their universities are named after people like Cecil Rhodes.

Agreed , that's pretty sad, still they since the end of the apartheid regime the ANC led administration despite its flaws has managed to lift a large chunk of the then poor and illiterate black population out of poverty. The fact is SA now is Better than it was during the apartheid regime. I want you to appreciate the efforts and to recognize how difficult their task is , they were left with an illiterate black majority with no economic power and basically no lands ,yet there are no SA living in refugees camps anywhere in the world or trooping illegally anywhere in the world . I still rank them high on the continent

CAMNEWTON4PRES:


The official language in Nigeria is English so you are not a black country abi?
There are black generals and black leaders in different fields there , you can't decide on the racial makeup of a country because of 2 offices president and PM

Arabic is just a language

Have you seen the actual PM of Libya ?

English is a language of colonisers and Nigeria was once a country created and owned by white people, they've left. Algerian colonsiers haven't left. Are we talking of Libya or Algeria?

You shouldn't even be claiming a country that describes itself as over 90% Arab and Berber, even if they're blacker than onyx.

ezeagu:


English is a language of colonisers and Nigeria was once a country created and owned by white people, they've left. Algerian colonsiers haven't left. Are we talking of Libya or Algeria?

You shouldn't even be claiming a country that describes itself as over 90% Arab and Berber, even if their blacker than onyx.

Okay let's remove Algeria , I don't want us to waste our time.

CAMNEWTON4PRES:


Agreed , that's pretty sad, still they since the end of the apartheid regime the ANC led administration despite its flaws has managed to lift a large chunk of the then poor and illiterate black population out of poverty. The fact is SA now is Better than it was during the apartheid regime. I want you to appreciate the efforts and to recognize how difficult their task is , they were left with an illiterate black majority with no economic power and basically no lands ,yet there are no SA living in refugees camps anywhere in the world or trooping illegally anywhere in the world . I still rank them high on the continent

Okay, I'll give them that, but you cannot use South Africa as a case of a black country that has 'arrived'. I'm telling you now, if the millions of white people left South Africa, it would collapse because they will remove and sabotage all their investments, the black population hasn't matured enough shown by recent events, and that is not a stable 'black' country.

Black South Africans live in refugee camps in their own country while the whites and some of the black leaders live in gated communities. Look up Hillbrow.

ezeagu:


Oh, so when was University College of Ibadan established? When was the Eastern Line railway, that is still being used today, built? Were Nigerian cities including Calabar, Lagos, Owere, Enugu and so on planned and organised in the early 1900s? Perhaps all I saw was a mirage.

By the way, this isn't about what colonists built, this is how the human condition is supposedly improving in Nigeria, which it isn't.

The fact you had to (predictably) mention ''University College Ibadan'' shows the MISERABLE HISTORY OF COLONIAL NEGLECT AND FAILURE after their 67 years in power in which we could not count at least 20 solid universities in the country. The wretched railway system was constructed SOLELY for evacuation of cash crops to the southern coasts for export to Europe were the proceeds were promptly banked. And Lagos, Calabar, Enugu etc were GLORIFIED VILLAGES in the 1950s, NOT the modern metropolises we see today COURTESY OF BLACK RULE, Governor Sullivan Chime has built more miles of roads in Enugu state in the last 5 years than the British did in all of Nigeria in their 67 years in power. You need to get your head out of the colonialist's assss.

And if you think ''the human condition'' hasn't improved in Nigeria since the 50s, you need to read more widely. Malnutrition was rife during colonial rule. Hospitals were rare and most relied on poorly funded traditional medicine. Most people were confined to farms and villages. Cars were only for the spectacularly rich. We have come a long way under African rule.

Rossikk:


The fact you had to (predictably) mention ''University College Ibadan'' shows the MISERABLE HISTORY OF COLONIAL NEGLECT AND FAILURE after their 67 years in power in which we could not count at least 20 solid universities in the country. The wretched railway system was constructed SOLELY for evacuation of cash crops to the southern coasts for export to Europe were the proceeds were promptly banked. And Lagos,Calabar, Enugu etc were GLORIFIED VILLAGES in the 1950s NOT the modern metrolpolises we see today COURTESY OF BLACK RULE, Governor Sullivan Chime has built more miles of roads in Enugu state in the last 5 years than the British did in all of Nigeria in their 67 years in power.

If those cities were villages then, what are they now? LOL! "Modern metropolises", sometimes I wonder if you're a brilliant leg puller. Can you walk out at night safely in any of those cities?

As I said this isn't about colonial Nigeria. How is the Nigerian human condition faring better with hundreds and even sometimes thousands dying from murder every week?

No black country has emerged, end of. Let's look at those likely to, and it isn't the bloody Zoological Republic of Nigeria where 30 people will die in one day in one event by people who will walk free or even take over their lands and people shrug and move on. Don't insult our sense splease.

ezeagu:


If those cities were villages then, what are they now? LOL! "Modern metropolises", sometimes I wonder if you're a brilliant leg puller. Can you walk out at night safely in any of those cities?

As I said this isn't about colonial Nigeria. How is the Nigerian human condition faring better with hundreds and even sometimes thousands dying from murder every week?

Which thousands are dying from murder every week? You must be hallucinating or smoking something. If you don't feel safe in the cities, you can always return to the village and your palm wine tapping duties were the colonialists left you.

ezeagu:


Okay, I'll give them that, but you cannot use South Africa as a case of a black country that has 'arrived'. I'm telling you now, if the millions of white people left South Africa, it would collapse because they will remove and sabotage all their investments, the black population hasn't matured enough shown by recent events, and that is not a stable 'black' country.

Black South Africans live in refugee camps in their own country while the whites and some of the black leaders live in gated communities. Look up Hillbrow.

The Economy will collapse only and only if they try to maintain the savage capitalism and market-liberal economy the cavemen brought . however if they adopt a planned economy, they should b fine .
BTW the white didn't brought the land and the mines they are exploiting, and they won't b able to go back with them ,also the economy won't collapse because the white will leave but because the racist western countries will impose sanctions and embargo on SA . case in study Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe was doing fine with her expropriation policy to the treacherous British refused to pay the compensation as promised in the Lancaster house agreement and managed to impose economic sanctions on a non industrialized country . fast forward African suffering from inferiority complex are insulting Tah Mugabe calling him names and dictator

Rossikk:


Which thousands are dying from murder every week? You must be hallucinating or smoking something. If you don't feel safe in the cities, you can always return to the village were the colonialists left you.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201503160910.html
https://www.nairaland.com/2279223/fulani-gunmen-kill-30-benue
http://www.naij.com/63193.html
https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/2015/03/article_3777903.html/

I can't post all of them, this was just from a quick search of "Fulani gunmen", you should try, or are you not a Nigeria crusader anymore?

ezeagu:


http://allafrica.com/stories/201503160910.html
https://www.nairaland.com/2279223/fulani-gunmen-kill-30-benue
http://www.naij.com/63193.html
https://www.worldwatchmonitor.org/2015/03/article_3777903.html/

I can't post all of them, this was just from a quick search of "Fulani gunmen", you should try, or are you not a Nigeria crusader anymore?

None of your links claims ''thousands of Nigerians murdered every week''. Why do you feel the need to exaggerate the negatives when it comes to black nations? Do you hate your race? I can suggest a bleaching cream.

Rossikk:


None of your links claims ''thousands of Nigerians murdered every week''. Why do you feel the need to exaggerate the negatives when it comes to black nations? Do you hate your race? I can suggest a bleaching cream.

You use bleaching cream? Good. Me, I don't like mediocrity. Nothing in Africa is working when compared to other places with much less resources.

ezeagu:
No black country has emerged, end of. Let's look at those likely to, and it isn't the bloody Zoological Republic of Nigeria where 30 people will die in one day in one event by people who will walk free or even take over their lands and people shrug and move on. Don't insult our sense splease.

Economically, socially, culturally, politically?

Before judging any African country you have to accept and understand the realities on ground, Africans against all odds have managed themselves pretty well, if it wasn't for neo colonialism ,imperialism and economic disenfranchisement, African countries will b the first economy tho technically we still are , at least we own what we have while the so called first world is crumbling under debts and needs wars to maintain their status of first world ,Africa has all the resources needed to power her rebirth. Now more than ever , the new bipolarisation of this world ,is a gift for us. Western imperialist can no longer focus only on Africa, when France has to rent planes from Russia to bomb people in Mali and Niger or borrow money from China to wage war on ivory coast you understand that the mythical Western empire or civilization is on his decline .

CAMNEWTON4PRES:


Economically, socially, culturally, politically?

Before judging any African country you have to accept and understand the realities on ground, Africans against all odds have managed themselves pretty well, if it wasn't for neo colonialism ,imperialism and economic disenfranchisement, African countries will b the first economy tho technically we still are , at least we own what we have while the so called first world is crumbling under debts and needs wars to maintain their status of first world ,Africa has all the resources needed to power her rebirth. Now more than ever , the new bipolarisation of this world ,is a gift for us. Western imperialist can no longer focus only on Africa, when France has to rent planes from Russia to bomb people in Mali and Niger or borrow money from China to wage war on ivory coast you understand that the mythical Western empire or civilization is on his decline .

Do the Europeans have two heads, is China not grabbing lands everywhere? Fair enough, Africa was set behind (even though Africans helped) but that does not mean lying to ourselves that there are 'arrived' black countries when there are not. When a black country hits even Poland's level, call me, until then, all of this is speculation.

ezeagu:


You use bleaching cream? Good. Me, I don't like mediocrity. Nothing in Africa is working when compared to other places with much less resources.

Use your brain. African nations cobbled together artificially by foreigners are barely 50 years into independence and you expect them all to be like Japan, Switzerland and the US? It is you who's got a problem. Go and study development economics, sociology and political science.

Rossikk:


Use your brain. African nations are barely 50 years into independence and you expect them all to be like Japan, Switzerland and the US? It is you who's got a problem.

50 years! Have you heard of South Korea or Malaysia? Look up their history.

ezeagu:


You use bleaching cream? Good. Me, I don't like mediocrity. Nothing in Africa is working when compared to other places with much less resources.

are Africans allowed to use their resources?

Why is that whenever Africa is concerned you people refuse or fail to face the reality ? There is a well recorded history of western interference whenever an African country is getting her acts together, why are you ignoring that ? You make it look like they refuse to use their resources or willingly what to live precariously. Africa has the fastest growing economies fastest urbanization rate , growing population. We will reach the top , doesn't matter what you self hating Africans have to say . Africa was made to lead, we can see how Europe is collapsing, in fact people in my society are wishing a war between USA and her minions against Russia to precipitate Babylon in the abyss or the bins of history

ezeagu:


50 years! Have you heard of South Korea or Malaysia? Look up their history.

The 4 or 5 Asian Tigers are artificial western creations which were deliberately funded and supported via unlimited access to western markets, technology transfer etc after WW2 by the allied powers in their bid to form a capitalist bulwark against rampant communism in the Pacific.

Rossikk:


The 4 or 5 Asian Tigers are artificial western creations which were deliberately funded and supported via unlimited access to western markets, technology transfer etc after WW2 by the allied powers in their bid to form a capitalist bulwark against rampant communism in the Pacific.

And so? They managed to develop under 50 years. What is keeping the Zoological Republic of Nigeria back?

ezeagu:


Do the Europeans have two heads, is China not grabbing lands everywhere? Fair enough, Africa was set behind (even though Africans helped) but that does not mean lying to ourselves that there are 'arrived' black countries when there are not. When a black country hits even Poland's level, call me, until then, all of this is speculation.

No they don't have to head, however we are facing a far technologically superior Europe, which means the balance is never in our favor, also they have managed to put puppets in power. China is not grabbing lands that's pure western propaganda . Zimbabwe and south Africa are examples of what grabbing lands is and that was done by cavemen albino .

You mean the same Poland with her drunk status and her hords of economic migrants all over western Europe ?

SA ,Botswana are above Poland

ezeagu:


And so? They managed to develop under 50 years. What is keeping the Zoological Republic of Nigeria back?

Did you say ''and so''? Are you an illiterate? I just showed you HOW the Asian Tigers managed to develop through outside help, and you say ''and so''? And so you cannot use them as an example.

Nigeria is moving forward but you cannot see it because you're full of sh__te.

Rossikk:


Did you say ''and so''? Are you an illiterate? I just showed you HOW the Asian Tigers managed to develop through outside help, and you say ''and so''? And so you cannot use them as an example.

The force that helped South Korea, is it more than the value of the resources in all of Africa? Did you know Malaysia is the worlds largest exporter of Palm oil? Do you know the reason Nigeria exist today was because of palm oil trading?

Ask yourself these questions.

CAMNEWTON4PRES:


No they don't have to head, however we are facing a far technologically superior Europe, which means the balance is never in our favor, also they have managed to put puppets in power. China is not grabbing lands that's pure western propaganda . Zimbabwe and south Africa are examples of what grabbing lands is and that was done by cavemen albino .

You mean the same Poland with her drunk status and her hords of economic migrants all over western Europe ?

SA ,Botswana are above Poland

An average person in Botswana would migrate to Western Europe given the same proximity. The populations are not in the same level of comfort, alcohol or not. Anyway that's not the case here, there is open technological information, it isn't a secret.

ezeagu:


The force that helped South Korea, is it more than the value of the resources in all of Africa?

The west was in control of the global financial system after WW2 when she began pouring resources into the Asian Tigers. African nations were colonies.

Did you know Malaysia is the worlds largest exporter of Palm oil? Do you know the reason Nigeria exist today was because of palm oil trading?

Ask yourself these questions.

These are not cogent arguments. Nigeria is the biggest exporter of cassava and yams today. It really doesn't mean much in today's world were growth is possible in myriad areas like services, tourism, manufacturing, construction, technology etc etc.

Rossikk:


The west was in control of the global financial system after WW2 when she began pouring resources into the Asian Tigers. African nations were colonies.

This is an excuse. The point is 50 years is too long of a time even, talk less of the time needed to curb mass murdering.

Can you fuel a car or make soft drinks with yam? Does L'Oreal or biodiesel companies use cassava? Please go and look up what palm oil means in todays world and revise this argument.

Rossikk:

These are not cogent arguments. Nigeria is the biggest exporter of cassava and yams today. It really doesn't mean much in today's world were growth is possible in myriad areas like services, tourism, manufacturing, construction, technology etc etc.

Can you fuel a car or make soft drinks with yam? Does L'Oreal or biodiesel companies use cassava? Please go and look up what palm oil means in todays world and revise this argument.

ezeagu:


This is an excuse. The point is 50 years is too long of a time even, talk less of the time needed to curb mass murdering.

Can you fuel a car or make soft drinks with yam? Does L'Oreal or biodiesel companies use cassava? Please go and look up what palm oil means in todays world and revise this argument.



Can you fuel a car or make soft drinks with yam? Does L'Oreal or biodiesel companies use cassava? Please go and look up what palm oil means in todays world and revise this argument.

Based on what information or history can you claim that 50 years is ''too long'' for an artificially cobbled territory to develop the capacity to fulfill its destiny? Don't mention the Asian Tigers. That's been shown to be artificial. The majority of the advanced nations of today - Germany, UK, France, USA, Japan, Italy, Holland etc, all have histories of independence going back several centuries. African nations need at least a century of independence in my view to finally become the efficient, fully functioning entities we wish to see.

Rossikk:


Based on what information or history can you claim that 50 years is ''too long'' for an artificially cobbled territory to develop the capacity to fulfill its destiny? Don't mention the Asian Tigers. That's been shown to be artificial. The majority of the advanced nations of today - Germany, UK, France, USA, Japan etc, all have histories of independence going back several centuries.

Ehen! That is what you should have said first, the Lugardian "Republic" of Nigeria is a useless waste of space that was going to die a natural death not even 10 years after its "independence" until the owners of Nigeria disagreed and kept the Frankensteins or Lugardians monster together. Apart from this, Nigeria is a massive failure, it's going nowhere. It is moribund. Anybody saying otherwise is either trying to console you or trying to deceive you and steal from a sinking damned ship. I know Nigeria was damned for sure when a Boko Haram activist and ex-dictator, who can barely stand and recite what his party's acronym stands for, was reelected in his 80s. That is blasted embarrassing and you cannot use the jungle "republic" to brag for the black race.