i went online to check Jw HISTORY.............CAME UP WITH THIS




[b][/b]Fifty years ago the Jehovah's Witnesses numbered fewer than 100,000. Now there are several million of them around the world. They don’t have churches; they have "Kingdom Halls" instead. Their congregations are uniformly small, usually numbering less than two hundred. Most Witnesses used to be Catholics or Protestants. Let’s look a little at their history, because that will help us understand their unique doctrines.

The sect now known as the Jehovah’s Witnesses was started by Charles Taze Russell, who was born in 1852 and worked in Pittsburgh as a haberdasher. He was raised a Congregationalist, but at the age of seventeen he tried to convert an atheist to Christianity and ended up being converted instead—not to outright atheism, but to agnosticism. Some years later he went to an Adventist meeting, was told that Jesus would be back at any time, and got interested in the Bible.

The leading light of Adventism had been William Miller, a flamboyant preacher who predicted that the world would end in 1843. When it didn’t, he "discovered" an arithmetical error in his eschatological calculations and said it would end in 1844. When his prediction again failed, many people became frustrated and withdrew from the Adventist movement, but a remnant, led by Ellen G. White, went on to form the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

It was this diminished Adventism which influenced Russell, who took the title "Pastor" even though he never got through high school. In 1879, he began the Watch Tower—what would later be known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, the teaching organ of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. In 1908 he moved its headquarters to Brooklyn, where it has remained ever since.

Before he got his religious career well underway, Russell promoted what he called "miracle wheat," which he sold at sixty dollars per bushel. He claimed it would grow five times as well as regular wheat. In fact, it grew slightly less well than regular wheat, as was established in court when Russell was sued. Later he marketed a fake cancer cure and what he termed a "millennial bean" (which a wag has said probably got that name because it took a thousand years to sprout).



Unusual Doctrines

Russell taught his followers the non-existence of hell and the annihilation of unsaved people (a doctrine he picked up from the Adventists), the non-existence of the Trinity (he said only the Father, Jehovah, is God), the identification of Jesus with Michael the Archangel, the reduction of the Holy Spirit from a person to a force, the mortality (not immortality) of the soul, and the return of Jesus in 1914.

When 1914 had come and gone, with no Jesus in sight, Russell modified his teachings and claimed Jesus had, in fact, returned to Earth, but that his return was invisible. His visible return would come later, but still very soon. It would result in the final conflict between God and the Devil—the forces of good and the forces of evil—in which God would be victorious. This conflict is known to Witnesses as the battle of Armageddon, and just about everything the Witnesses teach centers around this doctrine.

Russell died in 1916 and was succeeded by "Judge" Joseph R. Rutherford. Rutherford, born in 1869, had been brought up as a Baptist and became the legal adviser to the Watch Tower. He never was a real judge, but took the title because, as an attorney, he substituted at least once for an absent judge.

At one time he claimed Russell was next to Paul as an expounder of the gospel, but later, in an effort to have his writings supplant Russell’s, he let Russell’s books go out of print. It was Rutherford who coined the slogan, "Millions now living will never die." By it he meant that some people alive in 1914 would still be alive when Armageddon came and the world was restored to a paradise state.

In 1931 he changed the name of the sect to the Jehovah’s Witnesses, which he based on Isaiah 43:10 ("‘You are my witnesses,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘even my servant whom I have chosen . . . ,’" New World Translation). As an organizer, he equipped missionaries with portable phonographs, which they took door to door along with records of Rutherford. They didn’t have to say much when they came calling; all they had to do was put on Rutherford’s record. He displayed a marked hatred for Catholicism on his radio program and in the pamphlets he wrote. Later his successors tempered the sect’s anti-Catholicism, but Awake! and The Watchtower still carry anti-Catholic articles every few issues, though the tone tends to be more subtle than the overtly lurid style of Rutherford’s day.

Rutherford said that in 1925 Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the prophets would return to Earth, and for them he prepared a mansion named Beth Sarim in San Diego, California. He moved into this mansion (where he died in 1942) and bought an automobile with which to drive the resurrected patriarchs around. The Watch Tower Society quietly sold Beth Sarim years later to cover up an embarrassing moment in their history, namely another failed prophecy.



Trained to Give Testimonies

Rutherford was succeeded by Nathan Homer Knorr, who was born in 1905 and died in 1977. Knorr joined the movement as a teenager, working his way up through the ranks. He got rid of the phonographs and insisted that the missionaries attend courses and be trained in door-to-door evangelism techniques. The Witnesses now have a reputation as skillful deliverers of "personal testimonies."

Since the Bible, as preserved through the centuries, did not support the peculiar doctrines of the Witnesses, Knorr chose an anonymous committee to produce the New World Translation, which is used by no sect other than the Witnesses. By means of former Witnesses, the names of the five members of the translation committee eventually came to light. Four of the five members completely lack credentials to qualify them as Bible translators, and the fifth member studied non-biblical Greek for only about two years.

The New World Translation was produced because it buttresses Witnesses’ beliefs through obscure or inaccurate renderings. For example, to prove that Jesus was only a creature, not God, theNew World Translation’s rendering of John 1:1 concludes this way: "and the Word was a god" [italics added]. Every other translation, Catholic and Protestant—not to mention the Greek original—has "and the Word was God."



What Happened to Armageddon?

Knorr was succeeded as head of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, by Frederick Franz. He had been the Witnesses’ leading theologian, and his services were often called upon. For some years the sect’s magazines had been predicting that Armageddon would occur in 1975. When it didn’t, Franz had to find an explanation.

Witnesses believe that Adam was created in 4026 B.C. and that human beings have been allotted 6000 years of existence until Armageddon and the beginning of the millennium. This figure is based on a "creative week" in which each of six days is equal to 1,000 years, with the Sabbath or seventh day being the beginning of the millennium. Simple arithmetic gives 1975 as the year Armageddon would arrive. Franz explained that Armageddon would actually come 6000 years after Eve’s creation. But when 1975 came and went, the Witnesses had to "adjust" their chronology to cover up a failed prediction. They accomplished this by maintaining that no one knew exactly how long after Adam’s creation Eve came on the scene. Franz said that it was months—even years. Hence he was able to "stretch" the 1975 date to some indeterminate time in the future. In any case, Franz said that Witnesses would just have to wait, knowing the end is right around the corner.

When the final battle does occur—remember, it will be during the lifetime of "millions" of people alive in 1914, which means it can’t be too far off—Jehovah will defeat Satan and the elect will go to heaven to rule with Christ. But, following a literal interpretation of the number mentioned in Revelation, chapters 7 and 14, only 144,000 are among the elect. They will go to heaven as spirit persons (without resurrected bodies). The remaining faithful (Jehovah’s Witnesses), who are known as Jonadabs, will live forever on a renewed, paradise Earth in resurrected bodies. The unsaved will cease to exist at all, having been annihilated by Jehovah.

Franz was succeeded as president of the Watchtower in 1993 by Milton Henschel, who has continued the aggressive evangelization tactics of his predecessors. In 1995 the Watchtower quietly changed one of its major prophetic doctrines. Until this point, they had maintained that the generation alive in 1914 would not pass from the scene until Armageddon occurred. Now that this generation has almost entirely died out—and Armageddon has not occurred and does not seem like it will happen immediately—they had to change their doctrine. Now, the Watchtower says that Armageddon will simply occur "soon," and it is no longer tied to a particular, literal generation of people.



How They Make Converts

Most religions welcome converts, and the Witnesses’ very reason for existence is to make them. To accomplish this they follow several steps.

First they try to get a copy of one of their magazines into the hands of a prospective convert. They lead off with a question designed to tap into universal concerns such as, "How would you like to live in a world without sickness, war, poverty, or any other problem?" If the prospect is willing to speak with them, they arrange what’s known as a "back call"—that is, they return in a week or so for more discussions. This can be kept up indefinitely.

At some point the missionaries invite the prospect to a Bible study. This is not the usual sort of Bible study, where passages are examined in light of context, original word meaning, relevance to other verses in Scripture, etc. Instead, this "Bible study" is really an exposition of Witness doctrine by means of Watchtower literature. Simple questions are presented in the literature which are derived directly from the text. The answers, therefore, are readily discernible, making the prospective convert feel spiritually astute, since he or she can answer all the questions "correctly." The Bible study is directed along lines mandated by the officials in Brooklyn, and the prospect is there to learn, not to teach. If he progresses well, he’s invited to a larger Bible study, which may be held at a Kingdom Hall.

About this time he’s invited to attend a Sunday service. At the Kingdom Hall, which resembles not so much a church but a small lecture hall, the prospect hears a Witness discuss a few verses of Scripture and how those verses can be explained to non-Witnesses or how to "refute" standard Christian doctrines such as the Trinity, hell, the immortality of the soul, etc. The service includes taped music to accompany the singing of hymns, and there is always time allotted for obtaining Watchtower literature and publications.



Sharing Techniques

The prospective convert gets still more of this if he proceeds to the next step, which consists of going to meetings on Wednesday or Thursday nights. At those meetings Witnesses trade stories, explaining how they’ve done that week in going door to door, giving advice to one another, figuring out better ways to get the message across, and logging their hours. (Every month each Kingdom Hall mails to the headquarters in Brooklyn a detailed log of activities, including hours spent "witnessing" door-to-door, the number of converts made, and the number of pieces of literature distributed.)

If the prospect goes through all these steps, he’s ready for admission to the sect. That involves baptism by immersion and agreeing to work actively as a missionary. Many missionaries take only part-time jobs so they can devote more time to their evangelization. Witnesses will typically spend 60-100 hours each month in their evangelizing work. Some will even go so far as to work full time for the WTS, receiving little more than room and board for their efforts.



Life as a Witness

Although not every Witness can put in so many hours, every Witness is expected to do what he can by way of missionary work. There is no separate, ordained ministry as is found in Protestant churches. Their sect operates no hospitals, sanitariums, orphanages, schools, colleges, or social welfare agencies. From their perspective it will all disappear in a few years anyway, so they don’t expend their energies in these areas.

Jehovah’s Witnesses live under a strict regimen. They may be "disfellowshipped" for a variety of reasons, such as attending a Catholic or Protestant church or receiving a blood transfusion. Disfellowshipping is the sect’s equivalent of excommunication, though somewhat more harsh. A disfellow-
shipped Witness may attend Kingdom Hall, but he is not allowed to speak to anyone, and no one may speak to him. The others are to act as though he no longer exists. This applies even to his family, who may only communicate with him as much as absolutely necessary.

They recognize the legitimacy of no governmental authority, since they believe all earthly authority is of Satan. They will not serve in the military, salute the flag, say the Pledge of Allegiance, vote, run for office, or serve as officials of labor unions.

No matter how peculiar their doctrines, they deserve to be complimented on their determination and single-minded zeal. However, as Paul might have said concerning them, "I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge" (Rom. 10:2, NIV).



[color=#990000][/color]I BELEIVE ALL THEIR FOUNDER WERE KNEW GOD THRU KJV, REVOLTING AGAINST IT GOT ME SUSPICIOUS........FOR A FAITH CREATD IN 1850, SPEAK VOLUME OF SUCH FAITH...............................LOL.

i went online to check Jw HISTORY.............CAME UP WITH THIS




[b][/b]Fifty years ago the Jehovah's Witnesses numbered fewer than 100,000. Now there are several million of them around the world. They don’t have churches; they have "Kingdom Halls" instead. Their congregations are uniformly small, usually numbering less than two hundred. Most Witnesses used to be Catholics or Protestants. Let’s look a little at their history, because that will help us understand their unique doctrines.

The sect now known as the Jehovah’s Witnesses was started by [/color] Charles Taze Russell [color=#770077], who was born in 1852 and worked in Pittsburgh as a haberdasher. He was raised a Congregationalist, but at the age of seventeen he tried to convert an atheist to Christianity and ended up being converted instead—not to outright atheism, but to agnosticism. Some years later he went to an Adventist meeting, was told that Jesus would be back at any time, and got interested in the Bible.

The leading light of Adventism had been William Miller, a flamboyant preacher who predicted that the world would end in 1843. When it didn’t, he "discovered" an arithmetical error in his eschatological calculations and said it would end in 1844. When his prediction again failed, many people became frustrated and withdrew from the Adventist movement, but a remnant, led by Ellen G. White, went on to form the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

It was this diminished Adventism which influenced Russell, who took the title "Pastor" even though he never got through high school. In 1879, he began the Watch Tower—what would later be known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, the teaching organ of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. In 1908 he moved its headquarters to Brooklyn, where it has remained ever since.

Before he got his religious career well underway, Russell promoted what he called "miracle wheat," which he sold at sixty dollars per bushel. He claimed it would grow five times as well as regular wheat. In fact, it grew slightly less well than regular wheat, as was established in court when Russell was sued. Later he marketed a fake cancer cure and what he termed a "millennial bean" (which a wag has said probably got that name because it took a thousand years to sprout).



Unusual Doctrines

Russell taught his followers the non-existence of hell and the annihilation of unsaved people (a doctrine he picked up from the Adventists), the non-existence of the Trinity (he said only the Father, Jehovah, is God), the identification of Jesus with Michael the Archangel, the reduction of the Holy Spirit from a person to a force, the mortality (not immortality) of the soul, and the return of Jesus in 1914.

When 1914 had come and gone, with no Jesus in sight, Russell modified his teachings and claimed Jesus had, in fact, returned to Earth, but that his return was invisible. His visible return would come later, but still very soon. It would result in the final conflict between God and the Devil—the forces of good and the forces of evil—in which God would be victorious. This conflict is known to Witnesses as the battle of Armageddon, and just about everything the Witnesses teach centers around this doctrine.

Russell died in 1916 and was succeeded by "Judge" Joseph R. Rutherford. Rutherford, born in 1869, had been brought up as a Baptist and became the legal adviser to the Watch Tower. He never was a real judge, but took the title because, as an attorney, he substituted at least once for an absent judge.

At one time he claimed Russell was next to Paul as an expounder of the gospel, but later, in an effort to have his writings supplant Russell’s, he let Russell’s books go out of print. It was Rutherford who coined the slogan, "Millions now living will never die." By it he meant that some people alive in 1914 would still be alive when Armageddon came and the world was restored to a paradise state.

In 1931 he changed the name of the sect to the Jehovah’s Witnesses, which he based on Isaiah 43:10 ("‘You are my witnesses,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘even my servant whom I have chosen . . . ,’" New World Translation). As an organizer, he equipped missionaries with portable phonographs, which they took door to door along with records of Rutherford. They didn’t have to say much when they came calling; all they had to do was put on Rutherford’s record. He displayed a marked hatred for Catholicism on his radio program and in the pamphlets he wrote. Later his successors tempered the sect’s anti-Catholicism, but Awake! and The Watchtower still carry anti-Catholic articles every few issues, though the tone tends to be more subtle than the overtly lurid style of Rutherford’s day.

Rutherford said that in 1925 Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the prophets would return to Earth, and for them he prepared a mansion named Beth Sarim in San Diego, California. He moved into this mansion (where he died in 1942) and bought an automobile with which to drive the resurrected patriarchs around. The Watch Tower Society quietly sold Beth Sarim years later to cover up an embarrassing moment in their history, namely another failed prophecy.



Trained to Give Testimonies

Rutherford was succeeded by Nathan Homer Knorr, who was born in 1905 and died in 1977. Knorr joined the movement as a teenager, working his way up through the ranks. He got rid of the phonographs and insisted that the missionaries attend courses and be trained in door-to-door evangelism techniques. The Witnesses now have a reputation as skillful deliverers of "personal testimonies."

Since the Bible, as preserved through the centuries, did not support the peculiar doctrines of the Witnesses, Knorr chose an anonymous committee to produce the New World Translation, which is used by no sect other than the Witnesses. By means of former Witnesses, the names of the five members of the translation committee eventually came to light. Four of the five members completely lack credentials to qualify them as Bible translators, and the fifth member studied non-biblical Greek for only about two years.

The New World Translation was produced because it buttresses Witnesses’ beliefs through obscure or inaccurate renderings. For example, to prove that Jesus was only a creature, not God, theNew World Translation’s rendering of John 1:1 concludes this way: "and the Word was a god" [italics added]. Every other translation, Catholic and Protestant—not to mention the Greek original—has "and the Word was God."



What Happened to Armageddon?

Knorr was succeeded as head of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, by Frederick Franz. He had been the Witnesses’ leading theologian, and his services were often called upon. For some years the sect’s magazines had been predicting that Armageddon would occur in 1975. When it didn’t, Franz had to find an explanation.

Witnesses believe that Adam was created in 4026 B.C. and that human beings have been allotted 6000 years of existence until Armageddon and the beginning of the millennium. This figure is based on a "creative week" in which each of six days is equal to 1,000 years, with the Sabbath or seventh day being the beginning of the millennium. Simple arithmetic gives 1975 as the year Armageddon would arrive. Franz explained that Armageddon would actually come 6000 years after Eve’s creation. But when 1975 came and went, the Witnesses had to "adjust" their chronology to cover up a failed prediction. They accomplished this by maintaining that no one knew exactly how long after Adam’s creation Eve came on the scene. Franz said that it was months—even years. Hence he was able to "stretch" the 1975 date to some indeterminate time in the future. In any case, Franz said that Witnesses would just have to wait, knowing the end is right around the corner.

When the final battle does occur—remember, it will be during the lifetime of "millions" of people alive in 1914, which means it can’t be too far off—Jehovah will defeat Satan and the elect will go to heaven to rule with Christ. But, following a literal interpretation of the number mentioned in Revelation, chapters 7 and 14, only 144,000 are among the elect. They will go to heaven as spirit persons (without resurrected bodies). The remaining faithful (Jehovah’s Witnesses), who are known as Jonadabs, will live forever on a renewed, paradise Earth in resurrected bodies. The unsaved will cease to exist at all, having been annihilated by Jehovah.

Franz was succeeded as president of the Watchtower in 1993 by Milton Henschel, who has continued the aggressive evangelization tactics of his predecessors. In 1995 the Watchtower quietly changed one of its major prophetic doctrines. Until this point, they had maintained that the generation alive in 1914 would not pass from the scene until Armageddon occurred. Now that this generation has almost entirely died out—and Armageddon has not occurred and does not seem like it will happen immediately—they had to change their doctrine. Now, the Watchtower says that Armageddon will simply occur "soon," and it is no longer tied to a particular, literal generation of people.



How They Make Converts

Most religions welcome converts, and the Witnesses’ very reason for existence is to make them. To accomplish this they follow several steps.

First they try to get a copy of one of their magazines into the hands of a prospective convert. They lead off with a question designed to tap into universal concerns such as, "How would you like to live in a world without sickness, war, poverty, or any other problem?" If the prospect is willing to speak with them, they arrange what’s known as a "back call"—that is, they return in a week or so for more discussions. This can be kept up indefinitely.

At some point the missionaries invite the prospect to a Bible study. This is not the usual sort of Bible study, where passages are examined in light of context, original word meaning, relevance to other verses in Scripture, etc. Instead, this "Bible study" is really an exposition of Witness doctrine by means of Watchtower literature. Simple questions are presented in the literature which are derived directly from the text. The answers, therefore, are readily discernible, making the prospective convert feel spiritually astute, since he or she can answer all the questions "correctly." The Bible study is directed along lines mandated by the officials in Brooklyn, and the prospect is there to learn, not to teach. If he progresses well, he’s invited to a larger Bible study, which may be held at a Kingdom Hall.

About this time he’s invited to attend a Sunday service. At the Kingdom Hall, which resembles not so much a church but a small lecture hall, the prospect hears a Witness discuss a few verses of Scripture and how those verses can be explained to non-Witnesses or how to "refute" standard Christian doctrines such as the Trinity, hell, the immortality of the soul, etc. The service includes taped music to accompany the singing of hymns, and there is always time allotted for obtaining Watchtower literature and publications.



Sharing Techniques

The prospective convert gets still more of this if he proceeds to the next step, which consists of going to meetings on Wednesday or Thursday nights. At those meetings Witnesses trade stories, explaining how they’ve done that week in going door to door, giving advice to one another, figuring out better ways to get the message across, and logging their hours. (Every month each Kingdom Hall mails to the headquarters in Brooklyn a detailed log of activities, including hours spent "witnessing" door-to-door, the number of converts made, and the number of pieces of literature distributed.)

If the prospect goes through all these steps, he’s ready for admission to the sect. That involves baptism by immersion and agreeing to work actively as a missionary. Many missionaries take only part-time jobs so they can devote more time to their evangelization. Witnesses will typically spend 60-100 hours each month in their evangelizing work. Some will even go so far as to work full time for the WTS, receiving little more than room and board for their efforts.



Life as a Witness

Although not every Witness can put in so many hours, every Witness is expected to do what he can by way of missionary work. There is no separate, ordained ministry as is found in Protestant churches. Their sect operates no hospitals, sanitariums, orphanages, schools, colleges, or social welfare agencies. From their perspective it will all disappear in a few years anyway, so they don’t expend their energies in these areas.

Jehovah’s Witnesses live under a strict regimen. They may be "disfellowshipped" for a variety of reasons, such as attending a Catholic or Protestant church or receiving a blood transfusion. Disfellowshipping is the sect’s equivalent of excommunication, though somewhat more harsh. A disfellow-
shipped Witness may attend Kingdom Hall, but he is not allowed to speak to anyone, and no one may speak to him. The others are to act as though he no longer exists. This applies even to his family, who may only communicate with him as much as absolutely necessary.

They recognize the legitimacy of no governmental authority, since they believe all earthly authority is of Satan. They will not serve in the military, salute the flag, say the Pledge of Allegiance, vote, run for office, or serve as officials of labor unions.

No matter how peculiar their doctrines, they deserve to be complimented on their determination and single-minded zeal. However, as Paul might have said concerning them, "I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge" (Rom. 10:2, NIV). [b][/b]



[color=#990000][/color]I BELEIVE ALL THEIR FOUNDER KNEW GOD THRU KJV, REVOLTING AGAINST IT GOT ME SUSPICIOUS........FOR A FAITH CREATD IN 1850, SPEAK VOLUME OF SUCH FAITH...............................LOL.[color=#000099]

RikoduoSennin:


JW gave you answers, You rejected them.

You evade. Just like the Pharasees did with Jesus

Evasive as usual.

hypocritical much?

When I say that to you I am being truthful,
but the best you can do is copycat, and untruths.

You expect an answer from me but You won't answer my questions-

your untruthfulness exceeds that of the pharacees.

johnw74:


I'm not interested in explaining Truth to you anymore since you blasphemed God
and reject His scriptures.
But I may from time to time show up some of your wrongs.

Hosea 12:3,4 - " Angel is God too"

Jesus is not an angel, the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Is God an angel?

And John 20:17 says Jesus (Your God) has a God he is going to"

By saying that, I am glad that you have put it in writing that the Word Jesus Christ is not your God,
He is the God of King David and every other God fearing believer.
Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
And jw call themselves Christians, pathetic.

jw's say they are Christians but Jesus Christ is not their God.
God is Jesus Christ and His Father, God and the Word, John called Him God, the Father called Him God, jw call Him a god.

RikoduoSennin:


You evade. Just like the Pharasees did with Jesus- Matthew 21:25-27

The baptism of John is from Heaven.

RikoduoSennin Pharisee:
NB: I wish to learn from you, like a student asking his master questions so that he may understand.

Mat 22:15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.
Mat 22:16 And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.
Mat 22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
Mat 22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
Mat 22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

nutarious:





well since u done googling, i will tell u a fact

oxford dictionary----8th edition says........................and i quote
CRUCIFIXTION-" THE ACT OF KILLING SB BY FASTENING THEM TO A CROSS" Jesus was given as a first example.......................am gd with that.


now to ur question...............both the 3 crux suggest dift positioning of how the person to be killed is palced................................

theologians say peter was hanged upside down......................just because he dosnt wanna die in the same position of his lord...............

that said, the jews have not and never said agreed with the JW.......................though they dont have faith in Jesus but the hebrew scroll were never spoken against by JEWS as false but they beleive he Jesus cant be what the world said he was. the bible says the JEW will come to terms and their is hope for them, not sure if their is for JW.

for a renew mind to accept what JW accept will take more faith for u will see the truth yet doubt it....................................its like those that beleive in the bigbang evolution theorem, that self takes much faith to beleive, so thus JW.

take all this blasphemy off Jw and they v got nothing......................................paul became the pioneer not because he was most holy but he was most ready to learn, he went 3 years to learn in egypt and join facts....................he was free like a bird, so be free, its good to have faith but when we see facts with spiritual quotes and backing we cant just turn away,................

father, son. holy spirit=same GOD
SOUL,BODY,SPIRIT ==SAME HUMAN.................................... a MYSTERY THATS BEYOND SCIENCE

You have not answered my question, you long epistle is derailing the subject matter.

@bold section, Who invented the word Cruxification? How was it invented and For whom was it invented? Did the original Greek scriptures contain the word Cross/cruxification?

Research beyond a Dictionary please. You have internet use it.

nutarious:
i went online to check Jw HISTORY.............CAME UP WITH THIS




[b][/b]Fifty years ago the Jehovah's Witnesses numbered fewer than 100,000. Now there are several million of them around the world. They don’t have churches; they have "Kingdom Halls" instead. Their congregations are uniformly small, usually numbering less than two hundred. Most Witnesses used to be Catholics or Protestants. Let’s look a little at their history, because that will help us understand their unique doctrines.

The sect now known as the Jehovah’s Witnesses was started by Charles Taze Russell, who was born in 1852 and worked in Pittsburgh as a haberdasher. He was raised a Congregationalist, but at the age of seventeen he tried to convert an atheist to Christianity and ended up being converted instead—not to outright atheism, but to agnosticism. Some years later he went to an Adventist meeting, was told that Jesus would be back at any time, and got interested in the Bible.

The leading light of Adventism had been William Miller, a flamboyant preacher who predicted that the world would end in 1843. When it didn’t, he "discovered" an arithmetical error in his eschatological calculations and said it would end in 1844. When his prediction again failed, many people became frustrated and withdrew from the Adventist movement, but a remnant, led by Ellen G. White, went on to form the Seventh-day Adventist Church.

It was this diminished Adventism which influenced Russell, who took the title "Pastor" even though he never got through high school. In 1879, he began the Watch Tower—what would later be known as the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, the teaching organ of the Jehovah’s Witnesses. In 1908 he moved its headquarters to Brooklyn, where it has remained ever since.

Before he got his religious career well underway, Russell promoted what he called "miracle wheat," which he sold at sixty dollars per bushel. He claimed it would grow five times as well as regular wheat. In fact, it grew slightly less well than regular wheat, as was established in court when Russell was sued. Later he marketed a fake cancer cure and what he termed a "millennial bean" (which a wag has said probably got that name because it took a thousand years to sprout).



Unusual Doctrines

Russell taught his followers the non-existence of hell and the annihilation of unsaved people (a doctrine he picked up from the Adventists), the non-existence of the Trinity (he said only the Father, Jehovah, is God), the identification of Jesus with Michael the Archangel, the reduction of the Holy Spirit from a person to a force, the mortality (not immortality) of the soul, and the return of Jesus in 1914.

When 1914 had come and gone, with no Jesus in sight, Russell modified his teachings and claimed Jesus had, in fact, returned to Earth, but that his return was invisible. His visible return would come later, but still very soon. It would result in the final conflict between God and the Devil—the forces of good and the forces of evil—in which God would be victorious. This conflict is known to Witnesses as the battle of Armageddon, and just about everything the Witnesses teach centers around this doctrine.

Russell died in 1916 and was succeeded by "Judge" Joseph R. Rutherford. Rutherford, born in 1869, had been brought up as a Baptist and became the legal adviser to the Watch Tower. He never was a real judge, but took the title because, as an attorney, he substituted at least once for an absent judge.

At one time he claimed Russell was next to Paul as an expounder of the gospel, but later, in an effort to have his writings supplant Russell’s, he let Russell’s books go out of print. It was Rutherford who coined the slogan, "Millions now living will never die." By it he meant that some people alive in 1914 would still be alive when Armageddon came and the world was restored to a paradise state.

In 1931 he changed the name of the sect to the Jehovah’s Witnesses, which he based on Isaiah 43:10 ("‘You are my witnesses,’ is the utterance of Jehovah, ‘even my servant whom I have chosen . . . ,’" New World Translation). As an organizer, he equipped missionaries with portable phonographs, which they took door to door along with records of Rutherford. They didn’t have to say much when they came calling; all they had to do was put on Rutherford’s record. He displayed a marked hatred for Catholicism on his radio program and in the pamphlets he wrote. Later his successors tempered the sect’s anti-Catholicism, but Awake! and The Watchtower still carry anti-Catholic articles every few issues, though the tone tends to be more subtle than the overtly lurid style of Rutherford’s day.

Rutherford said that in 1925 Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and the prophets would return to Earth, and for them he prepared a mansion named Beth Sarim in San Diego, California. He moved into this mansion (where he died in 1942) and bought an automobile with which to drive the resurrected patriarchs around. The Watch Tower Society quietly sold Beth Sarim years later to cover up an embarrassing moment in their history, namely another failed prophecy.



Trained to Give Testimonies

Rutherford was succeeded by Nathan Homer Knorr, who was born in 1905 and died in 1977. Knorr joined the movement as a teenager, working his way up through the ranks. He got rid of the phonographs and insisted that the missionaries attend courses and be trained in door-to-door evangelism techniques. The Witnesses now have a reputation as skillful deliverers of "personal testimonies."

Since the Bible, as preserved through the centuries, did not support the peculiar doctrines of the Witnesses, Knorr chose an anonymous committee to produce the New World Translation, which is used by no sect other than the Witnesses. By means of former Witnesses, the names of the five members of the translation committee eventually came to light. Four of the five members completely lack credentials to qualify them as Bible translators, and the fifth member studied non-biblical Greek for only about two years.

The New World Translation was produced because it buttresses Witnesses’ beliefs through obscure or inaccurate renderings. For example, to prove that Jesus was only a creature, not God, theNew World Translation’s rendering of John 1:1 concludes this way: "and the Word was a god" [italics added]. Every other translation, Catholic and Protestant—not to mention the Greek original—has "and the Word was God."



What Happened to Armageddon?

Knorr was succeeded as head of the Jehovah’s Witnesses, by Frederick Franz. He had been the Witnesses’ leading theologian, and his services were often called upon. For some years the sect’s magazines had been predicting that Armageddon would occur in 1975. When it didn’t, Franz had to find an explanation.

Witnesses believe that Adam was created in 4026 B.C. and that human beings have been allotted 6000 years of existence until Armageddon and the beginning of the millennium. This figure is based on a "creative week" in which each of six days is equal to 1,000 years, with the Sabbath or seventh day being the beginning of the millennium. Simple arithmetic gives 1975 as the year Armageddon would arrive. Franz explained that Armageddon would actually come 6000 years after Eve’s creation. But when 1975 came and went, the Witnesses had to "adjust" their chronology to cover up a failed prediction. They accomplished this by maintaining that no one knew exactly how long after Adam’s creation Eve came on the scene. Franz said that it was months—even years. Hence he was able to "stretch" the 1975 date to some indeterminate time in the future. In any case, Franz said that Witnesses would just have to wait, knowing the end is right around the corner.

When the final battle does occur—remember, it will be during the lifetime of "millions" of people alive in 1914, which means it can’t be too far off—Jehovah will defeat Satan and the elect will go to heaven to rule with Christ. But, following a literal interpretation of the number mentioned in Revelation, chapters 7 and 14, only 144,000 are among the elect. They will go to heaven as spirit persons (without resurrected bodies). The remaining faithful (Jehovah’s Witnesses), who are known as Jonadabs, will live forever on a renewed, paradise Earth in resurrected bodies. The unsaved will cease to exist at all, having been annihilated by Jehovah.

Franz was succeeded as president of the Watchtower in 1993 by Milton Henschel, who has continued the aggressive evangelization tactics of his predecessors. In 1995 the Watchtower quietly changed one of its major prophetic doctrines. Until this point, they had maintained that the generation alive in 1914 would not pass from the scene until Armageddon occurred. Now that this generation has almost entirely died out—and Armageddon has not occurred and does not seem like it will happen immediately—they had to change their doctrine. Now, the Watchtower says that Armageddon will simply occur "soon," and it is no longer tied to a particular, literal generation of people.



How They Make Converts

Most religions welcome converts, and the Witnesses’ very reason for existence is to make them. To accomplish this they follow several steps.

First they try to get a copy of one of their magazines into the hands of a prospective convert. They lead off with a question designed to tap into universal concerns such as, "How would you like to live in a world without sickness, war, poverty, or any other problem?" If the prospect is willing to speak with them, they arrange what’s known as a "back call"—that is, they return in a week or so for more discussions. This can be kept up indefinitely.

At some point the missionaries invite the prospect to a Bible study. This is not the usual sort of Bible study, where passages are examined in light of context, original word meaning, relevance to other verses in Scripture, etc. Instead, this "Bible study" is really an exposition of Witness doctrine by means of Watchtower literature. Simple questions are presented in the literature which are derived directly from the text. The answers, therefore, are readily discernible, making the prospective convert feel spiritually astute, since he or she can answer all the questions "correctly." The Bible study is directed along lines mandated by the officials in Brooklyn, and the prospect is there to learn, not to teach. If he progresses well, he’s invited to a larger Bible study, which may be held at a Kingdom Hall.

About this time he’s invited to attend a Sunday service. At the Kingdom Hall, which resembles not so much a church but a small lecture hall, the prospect hears a Witness discuss a few verses of Scripture and how those verses can be explained to non-Witnesses or how to "refute" standard Christian doctrines such as the Trinity, hell, the immortality of the soul, etc. The service includes taped music to accompany the singing of hymns, and there is always time allotted for obtaining Watchtower literature and publications.



Sharing Techniques

The prospective convert gets still more of this if he proceeds to the next step, which consists of going to meetings on Wednesday or Thursday nights. At those meetings Witnesses trade stories, explaining how they’ve done that week in going door to door, giving advice to one another, figuring out better ways to get the message across, and logging their hours. (Every month each Kingdom Hall mails to the headquarters in Brooklyn a detailed log of activities, including hours spent "witnessing" door-to-door, the number of converts made, and the number of pieces of literature distributed.)

If the prospect goes through all these steps, he’s ready for admission to the sect. That involves baptism by immersion and agreeing to work actively as a missionary. Many missionaries take only part-time jobs so they can devote more time to their evangelization. Witnesses will typically spend 60-100 hours each month in their evangelizing work. Some will even go so far as to work full time for the WTS, receiving little more than room and board for their efforts.



Life as a Witness

Although not every Witness can put in so many hours, every Witness is expected to do what he can by way of missionary work. There is no separate, ordained ministry as is found in Protestant churches. Their sect operates no hospitals, sanitariums, orphanages, schools, colleges, or social welfare agencies. From their perspective it will all disappear in a few years anyway, so they don’t expend their energies in these areas.

Jehovah’s Witnesses live under a strict regimen. They may be "disfellowshipped" for a variety of reasons, such as attending a Catholic or Protestant church or receiving a blood transfusion. Disfellowshipping is the sect’s equivalent of excommunication, though somewhat more harsh. A disfellow-
shipped Witness may attend Kingdom Hall, but he is not allowed to speak to anyone, and no one may speak to him. The others are to act as though he no longer exists. This applies even to his family, who may only communicate with him as much as absolutely necessary.

They recognize the legitimacy of no governmental authority, since they believe all earthly authority is of Satan. They will not serve in the military, salute the flag, say the Pledge of Allegiance, vote, run for office, or serve as officials of labor unions.

No matter how peculiar their doctrines, they deserve to be complimented on their determination and single-minded zeal. However, as Paul might have said concerning them, "I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge" (Rom. 10:2, NIV).



[color=#990000][/color]I BELEIVE ALL THEIR FOUNDER WERE KNEW GOD THRU KJV, REVOLTING AGAINST IT GOT ME SUSPICIOUS........FOR A FAITH CREATD IN 1850, SPEAK VOLUME OF SUCH FAITH...............................LOL.

Wrong report filled with Falsehood.

Read Accurate History of JW from their website www.jw.org, not some bogus sourced website.

Those persons who wrote those materials no little about JW and their History.

johnw74:


When I say that to you I am being truthful,
but the best you can do is copycat, and untruths.



your untruthfulness exceeds that of the pharacees.

Truthful? Doubtful. How is God one? Simple answer required!

johnw74:

Jesus is not an angel, the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Is God an angel?

Hosea 12:3,4 calls an Angel as God. That is what I said. I did not say God is an Angel, but I SAID "Angel is GOD too! Figure out the different let me find out how intelligent you are.

johnw74:

By saying that, I am glad that you have put it in writing that the Word Jesus Christ is not your God,
He is the God of King David and every other God fearing believer.
Psa 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
And jw call themselves Christians, pathetic.

Did David call Jesus GOD @ Psalm 110:1?

Do you not know the different between God and Lord?

David called Jesus his Lord and you conclude that Jesus is David's God, by didn't you make the same conclusion when Jesus called YHWH is Lord and God just before he died

When Sarah called Abraham LORD did that mean that Abraham was her GOD?

To tell you that Jesus is not YHWH the true God, Read Psalm 110:1 from the oldest version of the Greek septuagint or Dead sea scrolls and you will see that it was written: "YHWH said to my Lord..."

BTW whose enemy will be place as a footstool- YHWH? Or Jesus'?

johnw74:

jw's say they are Christians but Jesus Christ is not their God.
God is Jesus Christ and His Father, God and the Word, John called Him God, the Father called Him God, jw call Him a god.

Jesus does not have to be JW God for them to be called "Christians", as long as they follow Jesus they merit the right to be called christians.

@bold section,
Lies or are you blind?

Jesus called YHWH "MY" GOD- Note the possessive term! John 20:17, Revelation 3:2,12.

Also after the Father called Jesus God (Note no possessive term), the Father/YHWH specify the kind of God Jesus really is: A small God who answers to YHWH (Jesus personal God). Read Hebrews well!

johnw74:


The baptism of John is from Heaven.

I am not asking where the baptism of John came from?

I am asking this: You said Jesus is God, The Father is God, Both are not the Same being/person, yet God is ONE.

So I ask: How is Jesus and The Father MAKE ONE GOD?

Skikena!

johnw74:

Mat 22:15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.
Mat 22:16 And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.
Mat 22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
Mat 22:19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
Mat 22:20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
Mat 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Jesus still answer their questions even with their wrong motive. So since you have concluded that I have wrong motives for saying what you quoted above- you still owe me AN ANSWER.

Why I wrote that statement was to help you express yourself more clearly to me, even if you refuse to believe that I am learning new things from your comments. It is left to me, what I do with those things I am learning.

RikoduoSennin:


Jesus does not have to be JW God for them to be called "Christians", as long as they follow Jesus they merit the right to be called christians.

jw doesn't follow Jesus Christ,
with jw disbelieving and changing scriptures as you do, you follow another.
By the way the first half of your post was the usual confusion.

@bold section,
Lies or are you blind?

See that spirit in you,
fancy jw accusing another of lies or blindness.

Jesus called YHWH "MY" GOD- Note the possessive term! John 20:17, Revelation 3:2,12.

Also after the Father called Jesus God (Note no possessive term), the Father/YHWH specify the kind of God Jesus really is: A small God who answers to YHWH (Jesus personal God). Read Hebrews well!

See again that spirit in you?
You say when the Father called Jesus God, He meant small God.

According to jw, the Word of God who became man and died a horrible torterous death for us, is a small God, and the Father who delighted in Him called Jesus a small God.

The one you follow has blinded you.

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Heb_1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

Jesus Christ not a small God as jw mock and blaspheme, but an Almighty God, the God of Christians, the only True God.
God and the Word is God,... jw don't believe, and change scripture saying the Word is "a god"

RikoduoSennin:


I am not asking where the baptism of John came from?

I am asking this: You said Jesus is God, The Father is God, Both are not the Same being/person, yet God is ONE.

So I ask: How is Jesus and The Father MAKE ONE GOD?

You have this problem with not being able to believe scriptures that go against your false beliefs.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

In the beginning
The Word was with God = two persons
the Word was God = One God

Jesus still answer their questions even with their wrong motive. So since you have concluded that I have wrong motives for saying what you quoted above- you still owe me AN ANSWER.

Why I wrote that statement was to help you express yourself more clearly to me, even if you refuse to believe that I am learning new things from your comments. It is left to me, what I do with those things I am learning.

No you were being untruthful and a hypocrit like the pharisees were being with Jesus.

RikoduoSennin:

NB: I wish to learn from you, like a student asking his master questions so that he may understand.

Ha ha, you can't even be truthful about something that sticks out like pinochio's nose.

One thing followers of Jesus Christ (Christians) do, is to stop lying, since Jesus is the Truth,
non Christians stick out like that fellas nose.

The Sign Of The Son Of Man



Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

After endtime tribulation the sun and the moon will be darkened and the stars will fall from Heaven,
then will appear the sign of the Son of Man from Heaven, then they shall see the Son of Man coming in clouds.
First tribulation, second sun moon and stars, third the sign of the Son of Man fourth the Son of Man comes in clouds.

It appears to me that the sign of the Son of Man, is the angel preaching the Gospel to the whole world.

Rev_14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.



The greek word for sign as in sign of the Son of Man is
semeion and it means
supernaturally, miracle, wonder,
and the three of those words fit for seeing an angel in the sky preaching the Gospel of our LORD and Saviour Jesus Christ.

All the people on the earth mourn when they here the Gospel preached, because the Church has already been caught up to God, and they have been preaching a false gospel, believing a false gospel, and unbelievers altogether.
Among those that mourn will be those preaching that Jesus christ is "a god", a angel, just a man, etc.
but it is then to late.

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Jesus Christ is LORD of LORD'S, God Almighty.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

God and the Word are One God, One Spirit.

They are two persons.

The unbelievers will never understand.

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

They will mourn when they finally believe it, too late, they preferred to believe men who changed the gospel, than God.

johnw74:
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
Rev 19:12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

LORD
kurios
means Supreme in authority, God.

LORDS
also is kurios, supreme in authority, God.

Jesus Christ returns as God of God's,
with the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God,

Jesus Christ the One True God, who for mankind's sake lowered Himself to that of a servant, and death on the cross.

Who are the ones referred to as God's?

LORDS, did you see the Plural?

Don't be deceived that verse did not call Jesus Almighty God! Almighty God do not pray!

johnw74:

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

Poor Bible Translation!

Equal with God? Which God? If you say the God mentioned there is the Father and not the Holy Spirit, How did you know which one?

BTW, Jesus said the Father/YHWH is GREATER than himself- John 14:28. Is Jesus a Liar?

johnw74:

The Word Jesus considered Himself equal to God,
just like scripture says:

Show us where?
Where he claim to be equal to YHWH.

johnw74:

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

In the beginning was the Word, the beginning is before Creation, the beginning is eternity.
In the beginning God the Word - Jesus, made the angels, He made all that exists.
Michael is an angel, the Word Jesus made him,
the Word Jesus is God.

In Heaven, There are many Gods- 1 corinthians 8:6

johnw74:

jw blaspheme God saying He is "a god", and so a false God,
as there is only One True God.

Did Jesus have a God whom he answers to- TRUE OR FALSE? (John 20:17)

Can an Almighty Have a God he answers to?

johnw74:

jw doesn't follow Jesus Christ,
with jw disbelieving and changing scriptures as you do, you follow another.
By the way the first half of your post was the usual confusion.

You have no prove for must of what you say!
JW follow Jesus Christ in their words, deeds and attitude
.

johnw74:

See that spirit in you,
fancy jw accusing another of lies or blindness.

What have you been doing throughtout this thread if not accuse JW of lies and deceit.

Answer simple question you can, still you won't stop. How is Jesus and YHWH ONE GOD and not TWO GODs?

johnw74:

See again that spirit in you?
You say when the Father called Jesus God, He meant small God.

According to jw, the Word of God who became man and died a horrible torterous death for us, is a small God, and the Father who delighted in Him called Jesus a small God.

Yes,JW, the Bible, God's word/ Jesus, YHWH himself says Jesus have a God superior to him. I dare you to deny what Hebrew 1:9 says "....Therefore God, THY God has anointed thee...."

johnw74:

Jesus Christ not a small God as jw mock and blaspheme, but an Almighty God, the God of Christians, the only True God.
God and the Word is God,... jw don't believe, and change scripture saying the Word is "a god"

Jesus has a God- True or False!

Only Small Gods have a superior God above them.

johnw74:


You have this problem with not being able to believe scriptures that go against your false beliefs.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

In the beginning
The Word was with God = two persons
the Word was God = One God

How is the One called God and The word ONE GOD? How are TWO seperate persons ONE GOD?

You have not said!

John 1: 1 will fail you if you read from other translations.

1808 "and the word was a god"- The New Testament in an improved version upon the basics of Archibishop Newcome's New translation.

1829 "and the logos was a god" - the Monotessaron or the Gospel History according to the four Evangelists.

1864 "and a god was the word" - the Emphatic Diaglott by benjamin wilson
.

1935 " and the word was divine" - the bible, An American Translation

1975, 1978,1979 "and a god (or a divine kind) was the word" "and godlike sort was the Logos" "and a god was the Logos" - Das Evangelium nach Johannes, Germany

TRY AGAIN!!!.

johnw74:

No you were being untruthful and a hypocrit like the pharisees were being with Jesus.

Instead of pointing fingers, Answer the Question: Did Jesus have a God he answers to?

johnw74:

Ha ha, you can't even be truthful about something that sticks out like pinochio's nose.

One thing followers of Jesus Christ (Christians) do, is to stop lying, since Jesus is the Truth,
non Christians stick out like that fellas nose.

I must say you Lack comprehension skills.

PHRASE: "Like a student asking his master's questions"

Like indicates use of "Simili - Figure of Speech"

WHAT DID I MEAN:
Masters ask their students questions TO TEST their Knowledge or Comprehension.

Students ask questions TO LEARN.

If you assume your students asked question TO MOCK, then there is something wrong with your DISCERNMENT SKILLS.

johnw74:
The Sign Of The Son Of Man



Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

After endtime tribulation the sun and the moon will be darkened and the stars will fall from Heaven,
then will appear the sign of the Son of Man from Heaven, then they shall see the Son of Man coming in clouds.
First tribulation, second sun moon and stars, third the sign of the Son of Man fourth the Son of Man comes in clouds.

It appears to me that the sign of the Son of Man, is the angel preaching the Gospel to the whole world.

Rev_14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.



The greek word for sign as in sign of the Son of Man is
semeion and it means
supernaturally, miracle, wonder,
and the three of those words fit for seeing an angel in the sky preaching the Gospel of our LORD and Saviour Jesus Christ.

All the people on the earth mourn when they here the Gospel preached, because the Church has already been caught up to God, and they have been preaching a false gospel, believing a false gospel, and unbelievers altogether.
Among those that mourn will be those preaching that Jesus christ is "a god", a angel, just a man, etc.
but it is then to late.

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Jesus Christ is LORD of LORD'S, God Almighty.

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God

God and the Word are One God, One Spirit.

They are two persons.

The unbelievers will never understand.

2Co_4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

They will mourn when they finally believe it, too late, they preferred to believe men who changed the gospel, than God.

God and the word are ONE SPIRIT HOW?

Because Both of them are currently SPIRIT BEINGS NOW IN HEAVEN.

Beside why did you call one God and the Other The Word? It should have been "God is ONE spirit"

Rikoduosennin:
Don't be deceived that verse did not call Jesus Almighty God! Almighty God do not pray!

Jesus is not flesh there but with the power of Almighty God.
He is LORD of LORD'S

But of course you don't believe scriptures that are contrary to your false beliefs.

Christians get their beliefs from the Bible.
jw get their bible from their false beliefs.

BTW, Jesus said the Father/YHWH is GREATER than himself- John 14:28. Is Jesus a Liar?

Jesus was man at that time, boy you know little.

What have you been doing throughtout this thread if not accuse JW of lies and deceit.

You shouldn't engage in lies and deceit.

TRY AGAIN!!!.

You like mistaken translations, like your changed bible.

I must say you Lack comprehension skills.

PHRASE: "Like a student asking his master's questions"

Like indicates use of "Simili - Figure of Speech"

WHAT DID I MEAN:
Masters ask their students questions TO TEST their Knowledge or Comprehension.

Students ask questions TO LEARN.

If you assume your students asked question TO MOCK, then there is something wrong with your DISCERNMENT SKILLS.

Ha ha, you cannot stop defending your untruths.
Lie begets lie.

You reject everything I say including the scriptures I produce,
yet you say you wish to learn from me, like a student asking his master questions so that you may understand.

ha ha now I have to laugh again at that,
you are being a hypocrite just like the pharisees, who said similar to Jesus.

RikoduoSennin pharisee:

NB: I wish to learn from you, like a student asking his master questions so that he may understand.

Mat 22:15 Then went the Pharisees, ...
Mat 22:16 ...Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, ...
Mat 22:17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? ...
Mat 22:18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?


The majority of your last few posts are rejecting scripture.
The usual old thing.

RikoduoSennin:


How is the One called God and The word ONE GOD? How are TWO seperate persons ONE GOD?

You have not said!

John 1: 1 will fail you if you read from other translations.

1808 "and the word was a god"- The New Testament in an improved version upon the basics of Archibishop Newcome's New translation.

1829 "and the logos was a god" - the Monotessaron or the Gospel History according to the four Evangelists.

1864 "and a god was the word" - the Emphatic Diaglott by benjamin wilson
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1935 " and the word was divine" - the bible, An American Translation

1975, 1978,1979 "and a god (or a divine kind) was the word" "and godlike sort was the Logos" "and a god was the Logos" - Das Evangelium nach Johannes, Germany

TRY AGAIN!!!.







Instead of pointing fingers, Answer the Question: Did Jesus have a God he answers to?





I must say you Lack comprehension skills.

PHRASE: "Like a student asking his master's questions"

Like indicates use of "Simili - Figure of Speech"

WHAT DID I MEAN:
Masters ask their students questions TO TEST their Knowledge or Comprehension.

Students ask questions TO LEARN.

If you assume your students asked question TO MOCK, then there is something wrong with your DISCERNMENT SKILLS.

i have proven ur lies wrong but i would like to add the last before i quit this thread.......................

God is mystery,only him can reveal himself to you................................u cant side guess him or research him, i saw John kept on trying to make you see, he never will be able to......................................cos thats purposely the JOB OF HOLY SPIRIT.............................God is mystery and thats a fact, if we have not been able to know much about the sophistication of Man, do u think God will be expalin by Jw.................................................................He purposely arrange the bible in other by his spiirt over centuries and all scrolls were kept,................................................Moses wrote about Abraham,isaeec,jacob yet he was not alive when Abraham lived...........................................................................mysteries

my point [/b]=And He said, "To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that 'Seeing they may not see, And hearing they may not understand.' (Luke 8:10)[b]


i repeat, be free like a bird, then u will learn.


M't:16:18: And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
M't:16:19: And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Only God can say this words..........................................a fact that make us have dominion in his name over everytn for everytn was created by him and for him(JESUS) Only.

[/b]Ro:11:25: For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Ro:11:26: And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:[b]

[/b]Col:2:2: That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;[b]




[/b]Eph:3:4: Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)[b]

kai


look at this scripture,

1Tm:3:16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

and this...............................


1Co:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.



GOD IS MYSTERY, we get to know him better not in RELIGION BUT DEEP PERSONAL CLOSENESS, BUT THIS WILL NEVER BE POSSIBLE UNDER RELIGION PRACTISE.



be free like a bird!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ironic Quote about Coercion

Referring to people leaving their religion to join Jehovah's Witnesses:

"No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family." Awake! 2009 Jul p.29 (p.28)


Regarding those disfellowshipped from Jehovah's Witnesses:

"Really, what your beloved family member needs to see is your resolute stance to put Jehovah above everything else - including the family bond. … Do not look for excuses to associate with a disfellowshipped family member, for example, through e-mail." Watchtower Study Edition 2013 Jan 15 p.16
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/favourite-quotes.php

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Boy, jw hypocrisy is everywhere.
And what a dumb spirit.

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Favourite Quote about Growing up

"If you are a young person, you also need to face the fact that you will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. ... Therefore, as a young person, you will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If you are in highschool and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way toward its finish, if not actually gone!" Awake! 1969 May 22 p.15
http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/favourite-quotes.php

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False prophecy, false religion.
Come out of false religion.

johnw74:


Jesus is not flesh there but with the power of Almighty God.
He is LORD of LORD'S

But of course you don't believe scriptures that are contrary to your false beliefs.

Christians get their beliefs from the Bible.
jw get their bible from their false beliefs.

"LORD of LORDS" Who made me such/ gave Jesus that Title? Who are the LORDS being referred to there?

johnw74:

Jesus was man at that time, boy you know little.
[/Quote]

So you mean Jesus was a man when He said he have a God @ Revelation 3:2,12 ?

So Jesus was a man in heaven when he told John that He has a God over him?




[quote author=johnw74 post=33159583]
You like mistaken translations, like your changed bible.

Mistaken translations? Just because they say different thing from what you belief or you were lead to believe!

Did you read the original greek and see for yourself why it was translated so? No, Dogma won't let you.

johnw74:

Ha ha, you cannot stop defending your untruths.
Lie begets lie.

Just as you won't stop saying that "God is Three persons in one"
, something that would have caused you your life in during the first century C.E

johnw74:

You reject everything I say including the scriptures I produce,
yet you say you wish to learn from me, like a student asking his master questions so that you may understand.



The majority of your last few posts are rejecting scripture.
The usual old thing.

I reject them because they go against Bible teachings.

You have failed to answer my question : How did two or more persons make ONE GOD?

Just as you have ignore what many of Jesus apostles believed: That Jesus himself have a God!

nutarious:






i have proven ur lies wrong but i would like to add the last before i quit this thread.......................

God is mystery,only him can reveal himself to you................................u cant side guess him or research him, i saw John kept on trying to make you see, he never will be able to......................................cos thats purposely the JOB OF HOLY SPIRIT.............................God is mystery and thats a fact, if we have not been able to know much about the sophistication of Man, do u think God will be expalin by Jw.................................................................He purposely arrange the bible in other by his spiirt over centuries and all scrolls were kept,................................................Moses wrote about Abraham,isaeec,jacob yet he was not alive when Abraham lived...........................................................................mysteries

my point [/b]=And He said, "To you it has been given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of God, but to the rest it is given in parables, that 'Seeing they may not see, And hearing they may not understand.' (Luke 8:10)[b]


i repeat, be free like a bird, then u will learn.


M't:16:18: And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
M't:16:19: And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Only God can say this words..........................................a fact that make us have dominion in his name over everytn for everytn was created by him and for him(JESUS) Only.

[/b]Ro:11:25: For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Ro:11:26: And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:[b]

[/b]Col:2:2: That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;[b]




[/b]Eph:3:4: Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)[b]

kai


look at this scripture,

1Tm:3:16: And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

and this...............................


1Co:2:14: But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.



GOD IS MYSTERY, we get to know him better not in RELIGION BUT DEEP PERSONAL CLOSENESS, BUT THIS WILL NEVER BE POSSIBLE UNDER RELIGION PRACTISE.



be free like a bird!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To you, God is a mystery.

To me, My God is not a mystery, I know him and he knows me.

John 17:3 Knowledge of the only true God means Everlasting, No knowledge means no everlasting life.

Nutarious / johnw74 do u guys have a problem with JW?

Sorry to say,some of ur posts are just...

Inbtw, Jesus was nailed/hanged to a tree/stake nt a cross

Tushkid74:
Nutarious / johnw74 do u guys have a problem with JW?

Sorry to say,some of ur posts are just...

Inbtw, Jesus was nailed/hanged to a tree/stake nt a cross

[quote] author=RikoduoSennin post=33249314]

To you, God is a mystery.

To me, My God is not a mystery, I know him and he knows me.

John 17:3 Knowledge of the only true God means Everlasting, No knowledge means no everlasting life.[quote\]





lol, You know God................................................................i can see the proof from you, indeed you know him.

1= JW practise cant make anyone under such beleive have holy spirit,i wonder how you know God..........................the bible is meant for edification...........................God sought a relationship with him.........................and its clear you will never get to GOD without JESUS which means you never has the holy spirirt.

2= except u mean the scripturs i quoted were written by me, Jesus confirms of the mystery of the kingdom of God and promise us the mysteries and u just beleive u knew God by typing or saying it.thats complete delusion.


3= david knew GOD, ABRAHAM,JACOB...........................................who taught them? nobody, they began a fellowship that bloom into more understanding thats above whats been practise under religion at their own time.......................................you here, knew God from a controversial beleive in Jw and not ur own personal experience with him......another delusion.

4=let he who thinks he stood be careful lest he falls, you dont strike me like someone who knew...........................you have seen so many striaght and deep scripture yet in ur mind u have created a brick wall towards the words of God but decide to chooose those that suits you.yet u say u know him........................................am sorry for saying this but really the truth is you dont know him.........................................you only knew what Jw SAID ABOUT HIM............SO NEVER SAY YOU KNOW HIM.




what u reeally do know and might know unless u decide to be objective is what JW says God his....................................To you, he is what you are told he was..........

its a MAN'S WORD AND VISION AGAINST THOSE THAT BLED AND ARE STILL BLEEDING TO SPREAD THE SWEETNESS OF OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST.....................................................................U my brother dont know God.

Tushkid74:
Nutarious / johnw74 do u guys have a problem with JW?

Sorry to say,some of ur posts are just...

Inbtw, Jesus was nailed/hanged to a tree/stake nt a cross

yes i have a problem with JW, the founders were once christians,read kjv and beleive in the gospels but later have their own revelatiosn which cant be superior than the earlier churches, now going against what you were taught and starting a movement thats diminishes christ is to me ANTI-CHRIST. THE MISSION IS TO REDUCE JESUS TO A MERE IMMORTAL, this realy will affect the standards of ataining what Adam lost, for Jesus never came to bring Religion and christianity itself is not a religion but a fellowship. now the fellowship is render useless if one beleives jesus was a mere immortal....................it makes it hard for the soul to accept holy spirit like it happen on the day of pentecostal.


i have check this religion and found it not spiritual but a movement based on a some men who never sacrificed anythn to expand the ministry of Gods kingdom but just a movement to prove the early church wrong and bring its own very ideas.........................................this ideas will forever need to be defended just like all other religion.........i really do beleive the spirit of antichrist is at work here and thats why i beleieve JW IS A SHAM....................................................THATS WHY THEY DO THEIR THINGS IN ISOLATION. A RELIGION OF CONFUSIONISTS.

RikoduoSennin:


Just as you won't stop saying that "God is Three persons in one"

It's bingbagbo that say's God is three persons in one person.
I say God is three persons in One God.


You so confused still.

"LORD of LORDS" Who made me such/ gave Jesus that Title? Who are the LORDS being referred to there?

And again and again jw doesn't believe the plain meaning of scriptures and want's to change and twist them around.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

And another thing, He is not a god,

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Did you read the original greek and see for yourself why it was translated so? No, Dogma won't let you.

Wow, and all the times that I have given the Greek meaning to words in these forums, and Hebrew.

Do you know you once asked me, am I going to post more smilies to you?
it is someone else, ---Oops

Confusion reigns in jw town.

You have failed to answer my question : How did two or more persons make ONE GOD?

Must be impossible for jw to be truthful.

johnw74


I'm not interisted in explaining Truth to you anymore since you blasphemed God
and reject His scriptures.
But I may from time to time show up some of your wrongs.

Tushkid74:
Nutarious / johnw74 do u guys have a problem with JW?

Sorry to say,some of ur posts are just...

Inbtw, Jesus was nailed/hanged to a tree/stake nt a cross

I personally don't think it makes any diffrence whether Jesus was nailed to a post, or a post with a cross beam.
The Romans used both methods at that time.
You must have scriptures supporting your definite claim, will you post them please?

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Strange Advice

The Watchtower and Awake! (previously called Golden Age and then Consolation) have contained a lot of incorrect and naive medical advice.

"Vaccination never prevented anything and never will, and is the most barbarous practice... We are in the last days; and the devil is slowly losing his hold, making a strenuous effort meanwhile to do all the damage he can, and to his credit can such evils be placed... Use your rights as American citizens to forever abolish the devilish practice of vaccinations." Golden Age 1921 Oct 12 p.17
"A peculiar factor sometimes noted is a so-called 'personality transplant.' That is, the recipient in some cases has seemed to adopt certain personality factors of the person from whom the organ came." Watchtower 1975 Sep 1 p.519

"Sustaining one's life by means of the body or part of the body of another human...would be cannibalism, a practice abhorrent to all civilized people." Watchtower 1967 Nov 15 pp.702-704
"The bobbed hair craze is sure to lead to baldness, sooner or later. The reason for this is that human hair is like a tube sealed at the free end. When the hair is cut, the oils which are the life of the hair become dissipated. The reason why men grow bald so quickly is that they have their hair cut so frequently and, in addition, wear tightly fitting hats, which cut off the circulation of the scalp." Golden Age 1924 Nov 19 p.100

"There is no food that is right food for the morning meal. At breakfast is no time to break a fast. Keep up the daily fast until the noon hour." Golden Age 1925 Sep 9 pp.784
"If any overzealous doctor condemns your tonsils go and commit suicide with a case-knife. It's cheaper and less painful." Golden Age 1926 Apr 7 p.438
"Sleep on the right side or flat on your back, with the head toward the north so as to get benefit of the earth's magnetic currents. Avoid serum inoculations as they pollute the blood stream with their filthy pus.... Stop chewing gum, as you need the saliva for your food." Golden Age 1929 Nov 12 p.107

"Medicine originated in demonology and spent its time until the last century and a half trying to exorcise demons. During the past half century it has tried to exorcise germs." Golden Age 1931 Aug 5 p.728
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johnw74:


It's bingbagbo that say's God is three persons in one person.
I say God is three persons in One God.


You so confused still.

Explain How 3 persons make up ONE GOD!

You simply can't, all you do is RANT.

johnw74:

And again and again jw doesn't believe the plain meaning of scriptures and want's to change and twist them around.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

And another thing, He is not a god,

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Who made Jesus Lord of Lords?

Who gave Jesus the Tile "Lord of Lords"

Who are the Lords whom Jesus is Lord over?

When did Jesus became "Lord of Lords" or "King of Kings"

Did Jesus have a God even in Heaven?


Honest bible based answers to this questions will help you see the light.

johnw74:

Must be impossible for jw to be truthful.

Still, You have not answered my Question! Or have you?

Who is being untruthful now - when you catergorically decline to answer my question repeatedly I mighty add.

RikoduoSennin:


Explain How 3 persons make up ONE GOD!

You simply can't, all you do is RANT.

Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

Who made Jesus Lord of Lords?

Who gave Jesus the Tile "Lord of Lords"

Who are the Lords whom Jesus is Lord over?

When did Jesus became "Lord of Lords" or "King of Kings"

Did Jesus have a God even in Heaven?


Honest bible based answers to this questions will help you see the light.

johnw74:

And again and again jw doesn't believe the plain meaning of scriptures and want's to change and twist them around.

Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

And another thing, He is not a god,

Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

Still, You have not answered my Question! Or have you?

You are not joking, you really don't know.

Who is being untruthful now - when you catergorically decline to answer my question repeatedly I mighty add.

You are of course as always.

johnw74


I'm not interisted in explaining Truth to you anymore since you blasphemed God
and reject His scriptures.
But I may from time to time show up some of your wrongs.

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Did Jesus Die on a Cross or Stake?

Look at the number of nails in each picture. Notice in the above depiction from the Watchtower publication Knowledge That Leads to Everlasting Life there is only one nail and it goes through the wrist and not the hands, due to it being a stake, not a cross. Compare this to what Thomas stated at John 20:25;

"unless I see in his hands the print of the nails and stick my finger into the print of the nails and stick my hand into his side, I will certainly not believe".
Jesus was crucified with two nails, one in each hand, not a single nail through the wrist. That separate nails were in each hand is made clear by the use of the word 'nails' not 'nail'. This suggests that Jesus had his arms separated on a cross, not together on a stake as represented in Watchtower publications.

Matthew 27:37 also supports the idea of a cross rather than a stake when it says;

"Above his head they had put the charge against him in writing: 'THIS IS JESUS, KING OF THE JEWS'

More here: http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/cross-or-stake.php

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Pamphlet

printable pamphlet explaining basics of being a Jehovah's Witness

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