jl115again:
Denel finishes acquisition of BAE Systems Land Systems South Africa
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=38966

This could potentially be geat news for Project Sepula:

Denel now owns the RG35 which i think would be the best option for project Sepula, then they also have the RG41 which can fulfill any future requirement the SANDF might have:

RG35 a sh1t

turret-less Mbombe for the win.

Paramount is the bees-knees these days

patches689:


[size=16pt]Olifant Mk1B and above has composit and reactive armor
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/olifant/

I posted this link multiple times yesterday[/size]

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I know, but SANDF has very few of it in service.

SANDF has about 236 units Olifant tanks, about 200 units of them are Olifant Mk 1 A with NO composite armour.....they are the ancient plain steel metal junks, they make up about 80 % of your useless tank force that will get eaten up by Boko Haram RPG with HEAT warhead

80 % of SANDF Olifant tranks are the old school weak armour types below ....
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agaugust:


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I know, very few of it in service.

SANDF has about 236 units Olifant tanks, about 200 units of them are Olifant Mk 1 A with NO composite armour.....they are the ancient plain steel metal junks, they make up about 80 % of your useless tank force that will get eaten up by Boko Haram RPG with HEAT warhead

80 % of SANDF Olifant tranks are the old school weak armour types below ....
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[size=20pt]177 Mk1B were produced - with composit and reactive armor
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/South_Africa/Olifant_MkI.php

Fact is Nigeria is only getting 56 T-70's and only some have reactive armor - SANDF has over 177 tanks with both reactive AND composit armor as well as superior FCS and battle-feild management systems.

You damn liar!! [/size]

patches689:


RG35 a sh1t

turret-less Mbombe for the win.

Paramount is the bees-knees these days

Sh1t? How so?
It has better range than the Mbombe.
Higher ground clearance.
Faster than the Mbombe.
Carries more troops.
And both have the same ballistics protection.

agaugust:


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I know, but SANDF has very few of it in service.

SANDF has about 236 units Olifant tanks, about 200 units of them are Olifant Mk 1 A with NO composite armour.....they are the ancient plain steel metal junks, they make up about 80 % of your useless tank force that will get eaten up by Boko Haram RPG with HEAT warhead

80 % of SANDF Olifant tranks are the old school weak armour types below ....
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More than 170 Mk1Bs have been produced, sources have been provided, No stop wasting our time.

jl115again:

Sh1t? How so?
It has better range than the Mbombe.
Higher ground clearance.
Faster than the Mbombe.
Carries more troops.
And both have the same ballistics protection.

I was being intentionally ridiculous

patches689:


I was being intentionally ridiculous

Hahahah ok my bad mate!!
Although the Mbombe is still a decent vehicle, better than anything Nigeria will ever have.

patches689:


SANDF has 177 tanks with composit and reactive armor.

Mk1B and above has both composit and reactive armor
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/olifant/

Nope, you are using a weblink of Olifant Mk 1B to make fraudulent claims of composite and ERA armour, the 177 tanks are a mix of MK 1A and MK 1B....you are a fraud....the old school MK 1A makes up about 80 % of all SANDF tanks and NO reactive armour ERA in SANDF, you have a large fleet of basic welded steel tanks and a few passive armour/composite units.....defenceweb SA proves you wrong :

"South African Army:

Armour

177 Olifant 1A/B (Of which 133 in storage) and 26 Olifant Mk 2 (for training)."

Source : South African National Defence Force ORBAT

Written by defenceWeb, Friday, 01 February 2013.

[size=16pt]You are a fraudster Patches
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patches689:


[size=16pt]Yet again his fraud has been exposed.

Augustus has no shame! I recently exposed him for doing the same!

You Patches are the fraudster actually....see us expose you again below...

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agaugust:



Nope, you are using a weblink of Olifant Mk 1B to make fraudulent claims of composite and ERA armour, the 177 tanks are a mix of MK 1A and MK 1B....you are a fraud....the old school MK 1A makes up about 80 % of all SANDF tanks and NO reactive armour ERA in SANDF, you have a large fleet of basic welded steel tanks and a few passive armour/composite units.....defenceweb SA proves you wrong :

"South African Army:

Armour

177 Olifant 1A/B (Of which 133 in storage) and 26 Olifant Mk 2 (for training)."

Source : South African National Defence Force ORBAT

Written by defenceWeb, Friday, 01 February 2013.

[size=16pt]You are a fraudster Patches
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Your source does not specify exact numbers of Mk1A and Mk1B. It could very well be 170 Mk1B and 7 Mk1A... you have no concrete evidence to support your claims.

My source is as clear as day:

[size=20pt]Mk1 B production: 172
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/South_Africa/Olifant_MkI.php


DEAL. WITH. IT [/size]

agaugust:


You Patches are the fraudster actually....see us expose you again below...

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You want me to remind you of your list of lies again?

patches689:


What fraud?

Senior officers lead junior officers, junior officers lead junior NCO's and junior NCO's lead the ranks.

Just like every army in the world.

[b]What I have exposed in your is that you who claims to be a military researcher cannot tell an officer or senior NCO apart from a regular infantryman....

Infantry man ? Privates, NCO, CO in Infantry units are all infantry men.....that is the name of their unit/regiment....not rank !

Fool.

You were trying to say the old grey haired SANDF NCO or CO don't go to war, they just train the privates, then I exposed your fraud by asking....who leads the infantry privates into battle ?

Then you realized you had lied your way into a trap as usual

Now you agree with me that NCO infantry men will lead Privates/ranks infantry men into battle, I forced you to agree, you did not know I would trap you in your own net....it was sweeeeet
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patches689:


Your source does not specify exact numbers of Mk1A and Mk1B. It could very well be 170 Mk1B and 7 Mk1A... you have no concrete evidence to support your claims.

My source is as clear as day:

Mk1 B production: 172
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/South_Africa/Olifant_MkI.php


DEAL. WITH. IT

Sure, I have dealt with it.

172 units of Olifant Mk 1B tanks with basic ordinary steel armour RHA of world war II

Boko Haram RPG HEAT will eat up all SANDF 172 tanks.....cool !

Your source says 224 Olifant MK 1 B tanks were produced, defenceweb says only 177 units of Olifant Mk 1 A and 1 B are in service as at 2013.

So, shall we ban defenceweb from this forum for telling lies about SANDF ORBAT.....because your encyclopaedia is now superior to defenceweb SA ?

#Trap

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agaugust:


Infantry man ? Privates, NCO, CO in Infantry units are all infantry men.....that is the name of their unit/regiment....not rank !

Fool.

You were trying to say the old grey haired SANDF NCO or CO don't go to war, they just train the privates, then I exposed your fraud by asking....who leads the infantry privates into battle ?

Then you realized you had lied your way into a trap as usual

Now you agree with me that NCO infantry men will lead Privates/ranks infantry men into battle, I forced you to agree, you did not know I would trap you in your own net....it was sweeeeet
.

Augustus.

Senior NCO's and Senior officers sit in command bunkers and lead men in strategy, training and administration.

Junior NCO's and Junior Officers lead men in the field.

Same in every military, the average age of an 0-6 Colonel in the US Military is 45 years old while most Lieutenant Colonels are 50 years old. All us army officers of rank above captain can serve until the age of 60.

Yet again, you have no idea what you are talking about... you think Colonels and Staff Sergeants go charing into battle with the riflemen!!

And you claim to be a military researcher!! PAH!!

agaugust:
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Sure, I have dealt with it.

172 units of Olifant Mk 1B tanks with basic ordinary steel armour RHA of world war II

Boko Haram RPG HEAT will eat up all SANDF 172 tanks.....cool !

Your source says 224 Olifant MK 1 B tanks were produced, defenceweb says only 177 units of Olifant Mk 1 A and 1 B are in service as at 2013.

So, shall we ban defenceweb from this forum for telling lies about SANDF ORBAT.....because your encyclopaedia is now superior to defenceweb SA ?

#Trap

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[size=20pt]Numbers of SANDF tanks were reduced between 2000 and 2007.

Citations prove our arguments. We dont care about your opinion.

Fact is, 177 Olifant Mk1B's exist with composit armor and reactive armor.

Your problem if you cannot accept that, not mine. [/size]

patches689:


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Fact is 177 Olifant Mk1B exist with composit armor and reactive armor

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Anointed fraudster, I am gonna make y.ou cry again today...drink your own delicious tears...[/size]


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patches689:


Your source does not specify exact numbers of Mk1A and Mk1B. It could very well be 170 Mk1B and 7 Mk1A... you have no concrete evidence to support your claims.

My source ? That is your favourite South African source defenseweb ! You now call it my source because it proves you are a fraud ?

Hilarious.....South Africans now say defenceweb is a Nigerian source o !

They now deny their own country's source.....just to make fraud about Olifant tanks, brothers betray brothers in Soweto o !

Anyway, military sources says ONLY 44 units of Olifant Mk 1 B ever built with passive/composite armour.....your fraudulent claim of 170 tanks composite armour in hereby demolished beyond repair, suck on this and commit s.uicide....

"The Olifant Mk.1B (Elephant) is an upgraded variant of the Olifant Mk.1A tank. The Mk.1B was developed as an interim solution. It entered service with South African National Defense Forces in 1991.
About 44 vehicles were upgraded to the Mk.1B standard."

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/olifant_mk1b.htm

CASE CLOSED .....44 tanks only with composite armour

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agaugust:
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My source ? That is your favourite South African source defenseweb ! You now call it my source because it proves you are a fraud ?

Hilarious.....South Africans now say defenceweb is a Nigerian source o !

They now deny their own country's source.....just to make fraud about Olifant tanks, brothers betray brothers in Soweto o !

Anyway, military sources says ONLY 44 units of Olifant Mk 1 B ever built with passive/composite armour.....your fraudulent claim of 170 tanks composite armour in hereby demolished beyond repair, suck on this and commit s.uicide....

"The Olifant Mk.1B (Elephant) is an upgraded variant of the Olifant Mk.1A tank. The Mk.1B was developed as an interim solution. It entered service with South African National Defense Forces in 1991.
About 44 vehicles were upgraded to the Mk.1B standard."

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/olifant_mk1b.htm

CASE CLOSED .....44 tanks only with composite armour

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172 Mk1B
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/South_Africa/Olifant_MkI.php

But lets assume your source is correct

44+26 = ?

? = more tanks with composit and reactive armor than nigeria

patches689:


Augustus.

Senior NCO's and Senior officers sit in command bunkers and lead men in strategy, training and administration.

Junior NCO's and Junior Officers lead men in the field.

I love the way you surrender when I squeeze your balls real hard.

NCO and CO....junior or senior we don't care.....NCOs and COs lead privates into battle.

You have been forced to agree with me when you saw defeat poking a finger into your eyeball....I love your surrender Pactches
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agaugust:
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Sure, I have dealt with it.

172 units of Olifant Mk 1B tanks with basic ordinary steel armour RHA of world war II

Boko Haram RPG HEAT will eat up all SANDF 172 tanks.....cool !

Your source says 224 Olifant MK 1 B tanks were produced, defenceweb says only 177 units of Olifant Mk 1 A and 1 B are in service as at 2013.

So, shall we ban defenceweb from this forum for telling lies about SANDF ORBAT.....because your encyclopaedia is now superior to defenceweb SA ?

#Trap

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"Your source says 224 Olifant MK 1 B tanks were produced, defenceweb says only 177 units of Olifant Mk 1 A and 1 B are in service as at 2013."
Again!! Just because we produced More than 170 MK1Bs doesnt mean all are in service!! 26 have been upgraded to MK2 standard some were scraped ect ect UNDERSTAND?

"172 units of Olifant Mk 1B tanks with basic ordinary steel armour RHA of world war I"

MK2s and MK1Bs are almost identical externally, the only difference is the added optics(That big box with the camera) on the MK2, They have the same armor.
Pic 1 MK2
Pic MK1B

patches689:


172 Mk1B
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/South_Africa/Olifant_MkI.php

But lets assume your source is correct

44+26 = ?

? = more tanks with composit and reactive armor than nigeria

Nope, of the 44 Olifant Mk 1 B, 26 were upgraded to MK 2.....not any extra 26 anywhere.

ALL the SANDF tanks with composite armour is 44 units.....a mix of Mk 1 B and Mk 2 combined.


"In September 2003, BAE Systems Land Systems OMC was awarded a contract to upgrade 13 Olifant Mk 1B tanks. New fire control system and target detection and engagement system with thermal imaging capability. A follow-on contract for a further 13 tanks upgraded to Olifant Mk 2 standard was awarded in September 2005. The Olifant mk2 entered service in 2007." [/b]

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/olifant/

Upgraded 44 Mk 1 A to Mk 1 B....then upgraded 26 Mk 1 B to Mk 2. That makes 44 tanks with composite armour, a mix of Mk 1 B and Mk 2.


Funny how I have to lecture you South Africans about your own army's tanks, yet you say I should prove that I am a military researcher.....you want me to roast you completely like suya meet before you believe me ?
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agaugust:



Nope, you are using a weblink of Olifant Mk 1B to make fraudulent claims of composite and ERA armour, the 177 tanks are a mix of MK 1A and MK 1B....you are a fraud....the old school MK 1A makes up about 80 % of all SANDF tanks and NO reactive armour ERA in SANDF, you have a large fleet of basic welded steel tanks and a few passive armour/composite units.....defenceweb SA proves you wrong :

"South African Army:

Armour

177 Olifant 1A/B (Of which 133 in storage) and 26 Olifant Mk 2 (for training)."

Source : South African National Defence Force ORBAT

Written by defenceWeb, Friday, 01 February 2013.

[size=16pt]You are a fraudster Patches
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Uhm.... did we say we dont have MK1As ? We said we produced over 170 MK1Bs, that doesnt mean we have 170 MK1Bs in service, as i also said before 26 MK1Bs were upgraded to MK2 standard, and some MK1B were scrapped for spares, as i also also said before we have a handful of MK1A used for Training and demonstration, and we even blow some up time to time just for fun: Pic 2 Rooivalk firing at MK1A.

"Development work on the Olifant Mk 1B commenced in 1983, with the first prototype being completed in 1985. Following trials with prototype vehicles by the South African Armoured Corps, the first production Olifant Mk 1B vehicles were completed in early 1991. It is believed that the first production batch of Olifant Mk 1B amounted to just under 50 vehicles. This upgrade programme has now been completed."
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product894.html

We received just under 50 MK1Bs in 1991, Production of the MK1B continued into the mid 90's.

jl115again:

Uhm.... did i say we dont have MK1As ? I said we produced over 170 MK1Bs, that doesnt mean we have 170 MK1Bs in service, as i also said before 26 MK1Bs were upgraded to MK2 standard, and some MK1B were scrapped for spares, as i also also said before we have a handful of MK1A used for Training and demonstration, and we even blow some up time to time just for fun: Pic 2 Rooivalk firing at MK1A.

"Development work on the Olifant Mk 1B commenced in 1983, with the first prototype being completed in 1985. Following trials with prototype vehicles by the South African Armoured Corps, the first production Olifant Mk 1B vehicles were completed in early 1991. It is believed that the first production batch of Olifant Mk 1B amounted to just under 50 vehicles. This upgrade programme has now been completed."
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product894.html

We received just under 50 MK1Bs in 1991, Production of the MK1B continued into the mid 90's.

Sorry at Patches689 wrong quote mate!

jl115again:

We received just under 50 MK1Bs in 1991, Production of the MK1B continued into the mid 90's.

44 units accurately, I am the lecturer here, I teach South Africans about their country's military equipment....44 units not just under 50, let me help you to know your army better....44 units of Olifant Mk 1 B....that's all SANDF upgraded
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agaugust:


44 units accurately, I am the lecturer here, I teach South Africans about their country's military equipment....44 units not just under 50, let me help you to know your army better....44 units of Olifant Mk 1 B....that's all SANDF upgraded
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Ok Cool the first batch was 44 in 1991, so what tanks did we produce the rest of the nineties?

agaugust:


Nope, of the 44 Olifant Mk 1 B, 26 were upgraded to MK 2.....not any extra 26 anywhere.

ALL the SANDF tanks with composite armour is 44 units.....a mix of Mk 1 B and Mk 2 combined.


"In September 2003, BAE Systems Land Systems OMC was awarded a contract to upgrade 13 Olifant Mk 1B tanks. New fire control system and target detection and engagement system with thermal imaging capability. A follow-on contract for a further 13 tanks upgraded to Olifant Mk 2 standard was awarded in September 2005. The Olifant mk2 entered service in 2007." [/b]

http://www.army-technology.com/projects/olifant/

Upgraded 44 Mk 1 A to Mk 1 B....then upgraded 26 Mk 1 B to Mk 2. That makes 44 tanks with composite armour, a mix of Mk 1 B and Mk 2.


Funny how I have to lecture you South Africans about your own army's tanks, yet you say I should prove that I am a military researcher.....you want me to roast you completely like suya meet before you believe me ?
.

Jap 44 was the first batch, that we received in 1991, production continued throughout the Nineties!

patches689:

@lezz is a man who posts off topic and thinks that opinion is fact
This is a military thread.
If you wish to discuss other topics, go elsewhere.

dismissed

agaugust:


44 units accurately, I am the lecturer here, I teach South Africans about their country's military equipment....44 units not just under 50, let me help you to know your army better....44 units of Olifant Mk 1 B....that's all SANDF upgraded
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You dont even know what a tanks snorkel looks like

Dont tell us about being lectured

patches689:


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Fact is Nigeria is only getting 56 T-70's and only some have reactive armor

You damn liar!! [/size]

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Seems I am hurting y.ou so much again today.....sweet to see you getting broken down to tears !

You are so hurt you wrote T-70 tank above....not tank called T-70....I hurt y.ou so bad that tears have blinded your eyes and you cannot see clearly to type on your laptop keyboard....your red eyes are now seeing double.....T-70 tanks.....you manufactured those in your bedroom ?

Okay, so after beating y.ou up for 2 days, you have finally agreed that Nigeria has 56 or 58 T-72 tanks....not the 3 or 12 units you were shouting before.....I remember that last year you said Nigeria has 0 T-72 tanks....few months ago you said we have none.....when will you ever stop telling lies Patrick the pirate ?

See, the 58 T-72 tanks in that weblink are the ones from Czech alone.....we bought ERA versions from Ukraine, their numbers are classified and SIPRI says their source is also classified but suspected to be Ukraine by SIPRI.

Now its 58 tanks from Czech by air, and more than double that number from Ukraine.

The Ukrainian T-72 for Nigeria were the first to be posted here, the factory manager in Ukraine was interviewed in the video and he said they are Nigerian T-72 tanks .....

You hate us....we Naijas ? Hate can k.ill a Southie even before we fire T-72 tanks on you....125 mm gun....na killer o !
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patches689:


You dont even know what a tanks snorkel looks like

Dont tell us about being lectured

Wasnt it @Agaugust that said the snorkel of the T72 was a ATGM?