MikeCZAR:
Rooivalk Mk 2! Coming to battlefield near you soon!

Denel funds + government support + customer order = Rooivalk Mk2.

Wake up, M0ron. Quit day dreaming!!!

stillchris:


chai!!! you beat me to it. Even project biro is still nothing more than a biro.

they operate obsolete tanks and maritime aircrafts

Are yet to pay up the loan for their frigates and subs

Can't afford to keep their pilots in the air

Can't afford fuel to keep flying their jets

More than half of their troops are half dead (AIDS)

Their soldiers are incapable of maintaining it's trucks without help from the Cuban army

Their Navy can't shoot straight...... the list is endless

maybe they think they've been arguing with Nigeriens. cos that's the military they should compare with

Did you hear about the bidders conference?

Project Hoefyster will soon deliver vehicles with missile capability anti-tank capability, gun capability, long range mortar capability and command post capability.

Project Assegai's short ranged air to air missile production was signed just a couple of months ago.

Next year you'll see more movement on maritime aircraft.

While some still go to back yards and garages.

Henry120:


Wake up, M0ron. Quit day dreaming!!!

I expect nothing from silver backs like yourself but emotional posts.

MikeCZAR:
I expect nothing from silver backs like yourself but emotional posts.

Like I said, have a field day, day-dreaming. You've earned it.

Henry120:


Like I said, have a field day, day-dreaming. You've earned it.

Expect to see that one SAAF Rooivalk.

Upgraded to some crazy standard paving a way forward. Likely new avionics, goshhawk flir, rotors etc

Just like how you're now witnessing a dream of a new IFV becoming true! Spitting missiles and cannon shells.

Nigerian Military totally liberates Gwoza!
.
http://m.news24.com/nigeria/National/News/Military-announces-it-has-reclaimed-Gwoza-20150430

EVarn:
Nigerian Military totally liberates Gwoza!
.
http://m.news24.com/nigeria/National/News/Military-announces-it-has-reclaimed-Gwoza-20140430

Literates ?

MikeCZAR:
Literates ?

what??

MikeCZAR:
Literates ?

I would assume you mean 'liberates'.
The towns werent ceded by the government of the FRN to the terrorist forces of boko haram/Islamic State of West Africa in the first place.
BH temporarily encroached into those towns on illegal grounds to spread terror and propaganda,therefore we lost NO territory in the first place and hence,it would be an error to apply grave terms such as; "reclaim" or "recapture" to decribe such domestic criminal acts.

MikeCZAR:
Rooivalk Mk2! Coming to a battlefield near you soon.

Your source does NOT say anything like that. Says by 2017-2018 Denel will decide is to restart production of the same old Rooivalk now obsolescent and surely obsolete by 2020

Still need to beg France for spare parts and Engines also

90 % French content Rooivalk helicopter
.

patches689:


The SANDF cut down the number of tanks it has.

Why were you South Africans telling lies for the past 3 days claiming you have up to 266 units of Olifant tanks ?

If I did not probe further and quote 203 from defenceweb, you were inflating SANDF Olifant tanks from 203 to 266 and cutting down Nigerian T-72 tanks to 4 units !

See why I say South Africans are among the most fraudulent people on earth ?
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patches689:


Passive armor = composite

Stand-off armor = reactive


All Olfiant Mk1B have Composite and Reactive armor.
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/olifant/


177 Mk1B were produced - with composit and reactive armor
http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/South_Africa/Olifant_MkI.php


These are simple facts. I am not debating with you on this topic because there is no debate.

Okay, Mr. Tanks Expert, you have accepted my correction, RHA is NOT Composite armour. I love your surrender

That encyclopaedia says Olifant Mk 1 B tanks have only RHA armour = ZERO composite armour !

44 units of Olifant tanks have composite armour....ONLY 44 units of Mk 1 B and Mk 2 mixed together.

"Olifant Mk.1B (Elephant) is upgraded variant of Olifant Mk.1A tank.. It entered service with South African National Defense Forces in 1991. About 44 vehicles were upgraded to the Mk.1B standard ."

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/olifant_mk1b.htm


CASE CLOSED

MikeCZAR:
what can Nigeria do with 58 T-72s if you had them in conversional war ?

58 T-72 M1 tanks from Czech

100 + T-72 AV from Ukraine

136 Vickers tanks

100 + T-55 tanks

16 AMX-30 tanks

Nigeria has over 300 tanks dude. SANDF has only 200.....your army has serious shortage of tanks. What will 200 tanks do for your land size ?
.

patches689:


why are you so reluctant to post it?....

....because you are not even ashamed to beg a Nigerian to help you find your own South African air force Gripen jets ground radar range, you want a Nigerian to do free professional research for you, but you say he is not a researcher, you are have no shame ?
.

I would assume you mean 'liberates'.
The towns werent ceded by the government of the FRN to terrorist forces of boko haram/Islamic State in West Africa in the first place.
BH/ISWA temporarily encroached into those towns on illegal grounds to spread terror and propaganda,therefore we lost NO territory in the first place and hence,it would be an error to apply grave terms such as; "reclaim" or "recapture" to decribe such domestic criminal acts.

Qatar has confirmed they would sign up for 24 Rafale fighter jets, in a deal worth 3.6 billion Euros.

After a slow start, Rafale's Grim fortunes seem to have dramatically turned, with an order for 24 Jets from Egypt (most likely paid for by both Saudi-Arabia and Qatar), 36 jets for India, and 24 for Qatar.

However, for such a hefty price tag, i'm left wondering what actually this jets does.

What can this jet do that it requires €150 million a pop for a darn single unit.

The F/A18 Super Hornet costs $60 million a unit and is better than the Rafale.

The SU-30sm/SU-35 also costs $60 million per unit, and is also better than the Rafale.

So what sorcery does the Rafale perform that makes it cost almost 3 times the F/A-18 Super hornet/ Su-30sm/35?

Henry120:


You delusionists, whose going to order 100 to get the program restarted......,

The broke SAAF that cant even afford to fuel it's fleet?

How can the SAAF be broke with a budget that is bigger than the NAF?

stillchris:


chai!!! you beat me to it. Even project biro is still nothing more than a biro.

they operate obsolete tanks and maritime aircrafts

Are yet to pay up the loan for their frigates and subs

Can't afford to keep their pilots in the air

Can't afford fuel to keep flying their jets

More than half of their troops are half dead (AIDS)

Their soldiers are incapable of maintaining it's trucks without help from the Cuban army

Their Navy can't shoot straight...... the list is endless

maybe they think they've been arguing with Nigeriens. cos that's the military they should compare with

Project Biro tender process closes June 30

Money has been budgeted in the next financial year for new MPA and transport

HIV rate in the SANDF is below 20% and HIV positive soldiers cannot be deployes in combat roles

Olifant is more than enough to handle current armored threats in southern africa

Germans accepted responsibility for shooting at the fisherman who

Cubans were drought in to do a task that the SANDF has never done

So i assume it is jealousy that has driven you to repeat these empty insults?

agaugust:


Your source does NOT say anything like that. Says by 2017-2018 Denel will decide is to restart production of the same old Rooivalk now obsolescent and surely obsolete by 2020

Still need to beg France for spare parts and Engines also

90 % French content Rooivalk helicopter
.

Rooivalk is obsolete?

Its newer than your hinds!!

Augustus confirms: Hind obsolete!

agaugust:


Why were you South Africans telling lies for the past 3 days claiming you have up to 266 units of Olifant tanks ?

If I did not probe further and quote 203 from defenceweb, you were inflating SANDF Olifant tanks from 203 to 266 and cutting down Nigerian T-72 tanks to 4 units !

See why I say South Africans are among the most fraudulent people on earth ?
.

We nevet said we had that many
We said that many were produced

Your illiteracy is well documented, your confusion does not suprise me.

Henry120:
Qatar has confirmed they would sign up for 24 Rafale fighter jets, in a deal worth 3.6 billion Euros.

After a slow start, Rafale's Grim fortunes seem to have dramatically turned, with an order for 24 Jets from Egypt (most likely paid for by both Saudi-Arabia and Qatar), 36 jets for India, and 24 for Qatar.

However, for such a hefty price tag, i'm left wondering what actually this jets does.

What can this jet do that it requires €150 million a pop for a darn single unit.

The F/A18 Super Hornet costs $60 million a unit and is better than the Rafale.

The SU-30sm/SU-35 also costs $60 million per unit, and is also better than the Rafale.

So what sorcery does the Rafale perform that makes it cost almost 3 times the F/A-18 Super hornet/ Su-30sm/35?

Same question I keep asking myself
.

agaugust:


Okay, Mr. Tanks Expert, you have accepted my correction, RHA is NOT Composite armour. I love your surrender

That encyclopaedia says Olifant Mk 1 B tanks have only RHA armour = ZERO composite armour !

44 units of Olifant tanks have composite armour....ONLY 44 units of Mk 1 B and Mk 2 mixed together.

"Olifant Mk.1B (Elephant) is upgraded variant of Olifant Mk.1A tank.. It entered service with South African National Defense Forces in 1991. About 44 vehicles were upgraded to the Mk.1B standard ."

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/olifant_mk1b.htm


CASE CLOSED

Citation that Mk1B has composit and reactive order has been posted (many times)

Citation that the total production run for the Mk1B was 272 units has been posted many times

Your source is outlining the first batch (early 90s) of the production run which ended in the late 90s

There is no debate here. Facts are very clear.

agaugust:


58 T-72 M1 tanks from Czech

100 + T-72 AV from Ukraine

136 Vickers tanks

100 + T-55 tanks

16 AMX-30 tanks

Nigeria has over 300 tanks dude. SANDF has only 200.....your army has serious shortage of tanks. What will 200 tanks do for your land size ?
.

Because you say so?

Post citations

Until then your total t72 stock standa at 56 (total order - number deliveres unknown)

agaugust:


....because you are not even ashamed to beg a Nigerian to help you find your own South African air force Gripen jets ground radar range, you want a Nigerian to do free professional research for you, but you say he is not a researcher, you are have no shame ?
.

Ok, post it then.

Its strange that you show such reluctance... Its like you somehow rembered that i dont ask questions i dont know the answer to

Its like... Maybe you know its a trap

Come, post it.

patches689:



We nevet said we had that many
We said that many were produced

.

Is the capability of an army judged by production numbers or the numbers in service?

What is I start counting Nigerian Alpha jets as 24 units and F-7 at 15 units just because we had that much acquired initially?

Everybody knows what this forum stands for....equipment currently in service.

You Southies were fraudulent with inflated claims of Olifant tank numbers until I used defenceweb 2013 SANDF ORBAT to burst your bubble.

You are a fvcking liar, SANDF does not have 266 Olifant tanks....you thief , barawo banza
.

Henry120:
Qatar has confirmed they would sign up for 24 Rafale fighter jets, in a deal worth 3.6 billion Euros.

After a slow start, Rafale's Grim fortunes seem to have dramatically turned, with an order for 24 Jets from Egypt (most likely paid for by both Saudi-Arabia and Qatar), 36 jets for India, and 24 for Qatar.

However, for such a hefty price tag, i'm left wondering what actually this jets does.

What can this jet do that it requires €150 million a pop for a darn single unit.

The F/A18 Super Hornet costs $60 million a unit and is better than the Rafale.

The SU-30sm/SU-35 also costs $60 million per unit, and is also better than the Rafale.

So what sorcery does the Rafale perform that makes it cost almost 3 times the F/A-18 Super hornet/ Su-30sm/35?

The concept of fusion

The same with the F35

Go look it up, some interesting stuff.

patches689:


Ok, post it then.

Its strange that you show such reluctance... Its like you somehow rembered that i dont ask questions i dont know the answer to

Its like... Maybe you know its a trap

Come, post it.

Kneel down and beg me, say "My Nigerian boss, please educate me about South African Gripen jet's ground search radar range".....then I will surely post the information with sources for you....oya now make we go....do ya part naa....beg...
.

agaugust:


Is the capability of an army judged by production numbers or the numbers in service?

What is I start counting Nigerian Alpha jets as 24 units and F-7 at 15 units just because we had that much acquired initially?

Everybody knows what this forum stands for....equipment currently in service.

You Southies were fraudulent with inflated claims of Olifant tank numbers until I used defenceweb 2013 SANDF ORBAT to burst your bubble.

You are a fvcking liar, SANDF does not have 266 Olifant tanks....you thief , barawo banza
.

You are creating imaginary arguments for yourself to win

Your illiteracy has prevented your comprehension

agaugust:


Kneel down and beg me, say "My Nigerian boss, please educate me about South African Gripen jet's ground search radar range".....then I will surely post the information with sources for you....oya now make we go....do ya part naa....beg...
.

Why are you unable to simply post a citation?

You have made a claim. I have asked for proof.

Once you post your proof i will proceed to destroy it.

MikeCZAR:
I expect nothing from silver backs like yourself but emotional posts.

come on are you calling him a gorilla?

agaugust:


Your source does NOT say anything like that. Says by 2017-2018 Denel will decide is to restart production of the same old Rooivalk now obsolescent and surely obsolete by 2020

Still need to beg France for spare parts and Engines also

90 % French content Rooivalk helicopter
.

who said it will use French components?

Negotiating new contracts isn't begging.

If Armscor was to issue a RFP for engines more than 5 companies international and locally would line up!

Where's Nigeria?

agaugust:


58 T-72 M1 tanks from Czech

100 + T-72 AV from Ukraine

136 Vickers tanks

100 + T-55 tanks

16 AMX-30 tanks

Nigeria has over 300 tanks dude. SANDF has only 200.....your army has serious shortage of tanks. What will 200 tanks do for your land size ?
.

I just remembered SA has 300 new Generation Milan missiles

Seriously though what can Nigeria do with 58 tanks?