Henry120:


Delusional lot.

Uhm......No!! we have the resources, all we need is the funding, in 18 months we will know for sure!!

jln115:

Jap I was definitely referring to the software.

From missiles to aircraft just like smartphones software upgrades really matters.

You can steal aircraft or missile designs but getting the software will be difficult, as it is only known to a few people.

MikeCZAR:
In terms of flying performance it is better.

A FCS radar, avionics, sensors, data link and other upgrades would make it better!

It is better, the turks, brits, thais rejected it.

It is such a good chopper the SAAF only ordered 12.

The Rooivalk is a sub-par, sub-stand french Helicopter with obsolete avionics.

Henry120:


The reporter gave figures the Rooivalk pilot told him. That was how he came by the 2km range.

Really? I didn't know you were there?

Henry120:


It is better, the turks, brits, thais rejected it.

It is such a good chopper the SAAF only ordered 12.

The Rooivalk is a sub-par, sub-stand french Helicopter with obsolete avionics.

DUDE, the Rooivalk has only lost 1 bid due to pressure from Nato, get that into your thick West African Skull!!

Henry120:


This is may of 2015. How far have they gone?

not my fault Russia cant keep to there own time line. Fact is they want to replace them.

Henry120:


This is may of 2015. How far have they gone?

Every weapons procurement project will have difficulties and delays, as result of funding or technological problems.

Look at the Meteor missile, A-Darter missile, F-35, A400M and more.

Henry120:


It is better, the turks, brits, thais rejected it.

It is such a good chopper the SAAF only ordered 12.

The Rooivalk is a sub-par, sub-stand french Helicopter with obsolete avionics.

Sales so?

Sales have nothing to do with performance.
You argue behind sales.

MikeCZAR:
"Customer preference" not operational requirements I see.

The Zulu Cobra is used by the Marine corps, the USA premier attack helicopter is the Apache.

Who cares what the Pakistani masters of losing wars also known as "India little bit..ch" buy?

India is buying the Apache E.

Nigeria has nothing to complement its hinds like others do? since that's what you're saying.

Yes, customer preference.

The Apache is the best military helicopter, yet the U.S military also purchased viper helicopters. Both platforms are designed to complement each other.

You do, this debate does, as the both ordered the MI-35 and Viper.


Nigeria has the MI-171sh and gazelle to complement it's hind.

agaugust:


How many units are those Algerian?....there are over 2,500 Hinds in this world.

It doesn't matter, all that matter is that you love the SuperHind.

jln115:

Really? I didn't know you were there?

Where do you think the reporter got his figures from........... his a$s?

Henry120:


The reporter gave figures the Rooivalk pilot told him. That was how he came by the 2km range.

The pilot also told him part of "forward intervention brigade" ?

The pilot didn't talk about range.

Again he said "about". Learn SA English.

jln115:

Uhm......No!! we have the resources, all we need is the funding, in 18 months we will know for sure!!

You have neither the skill nor the funds. The frenchies are currently occupied with the tiger helicopter.

Henry120:


Yes, customer preference.

The Apache is the best military helicopter, yet the U.S military also purchased viper helicopters. Both platforms are designed to complement each other.

You do, this debate does, as the both ordered the MI-35 and Viper.


Nigeria has the MI-171sh and gazelle to complement it's hind.

You really don't know the different branches in the USA work do you? There was no thought of the apache and viper complementing each other what so all. Army got one USMC got the other.

jln115:

DUDE, the Rooivalk has only lost 1 bid due to pressure from Nato, get that into your thick West African Skull!!

Yet turkey chose the HQ-9?

The Rooivalk was rejected as the turks saw with for the scrap of metal it is.

jln115:

Oh...OK so the Rooivalk :
Has a Much Much Higher Hover , 3X higher in fact.
250km higher range(Internal fuel),and 300km higher range with Aux fuel tanks.
Has stealth design.
Much higher service ceiling, higher by 2,5km in fact.
Much lower vibration levels.
Much better EW suit.
Much better targeting systems.

But ja.......The MI 24/35 is better!!

Rooivalk stealth what ? Invisible to radar ? Naaa, it is a normal simple metal helicopter, DENEL marketing gimmick does not fool Nigerians, a 1960 era old radar will detect Rooivalk from 100 km away.

Mi-24/25 Hind has :

1. Mutli-role....Attack, Assault, Transport, Medevac, Reconaissance,

2. Superior weapons options including iron bombs and laser guided bombs

3. Better rockets with longer range and bigger warhead options including 130 mm

4. More powerful cannon and options, from 12.7 mm to 30 mm calibre guns and 4 to 6 barrels on wings and nose

5. Newer avionics suite, TV, FLIR, etc

6. Reduced heat signature

7. Advanced targeting systems and self defence.

Yap....Mi-35 Hind beats the Rooivalk hands down...yea yea men !
.

andrewza:


not my fault Russia cant keep to there own time line. Fact is they want to replace them.

Excuses!

Henry120:


You have neither the skill nor the funds. The frenchies are currently occupied with the tiger helicopter.

We built the many weapon systems before and are a builder of parts for the A400m.

Henry120:


Excuses!

I said they want to, now show me they changed there minds

MikeCZAR:
Every weapons procurement project will have difficulties and delays, as result of funding or technological problems.

Look at the Meteor missile, A-Darter missile, F-35, A400M and more.

Even more excuse!!!


Errmm...... your examples are all new projects. the havoc entered service in 2009.

Henry120:


Yes, customer preference.

The Apache is the best military helicopter, yet the U.S military also purchased viper helicopters. Both platforms are designed to complement each other.

You do, this debate does, as the both ordered the MI-35 and Viper.


Nigeria has the MI-171sh and gazelle to complement it's hind.

Preference isn't about performance or operational requirements then.

The US premier attack helicopter is the Apache.

The Mi-17sh and Gazelle are not attack helicopter like MI-28(Russia and Algeria) or Apache(India)

Henry120:


Where do you think the reporter got his figures from........... his a$s?

Yes

MikeCZAR:
Sales so?

Sales have nothing to do with performance.
You argue behind sales.

I bet you, the Apache, MI-35m, Havoc, Viper would all disagree.

If it's nice, people would buy it.

andrewza:


I said they want to, now show me they changed there minds

You brought it up, not me.

agaugust:


Rooivalk stealth what ? Invisible to radar ? Naaa, it is a normal simple metal helicopter, DENEL marketing gimmick does not fool Nigerians, a 1960 era old radar will detect Rooivalk from 100 km away.

Mi-24/25 Hind has :

1. Mutli-role....Attack, Assault, Transport, Medevac, Reconaissance,

2. Superior weapons options including iron bombs and laser guided bombs

3. Better rockets with longer range and bigger warhead options including 130 mm

4. More powerful cannon and options, from 12.7 mm to 30 mm calibre guns and 4 to 6 barrels on wings and nose

5. Newer avionics suite, TV, FLIR, etc

6. Reduced heat signature

7. Advanced targeting systems and self defence.

Yap....Mi-35 Hind beats the Rooivalk hands down...yea yea men !
.

jake of all trades master of none

why do you need a chopper for bombs, o I forgot the hind fights like a fixed wing aircraft.

and

with a tiny ammo load out and unable to switch ammo in flight

that's why Algeria asked SA to install SA avionics suite, TV, FLIR, etc on there hinds, to down grade them

what? stingers loved them

again Algeria wanted a down grade

MikeCZAR:
The pilot also told him part of "forward intervention brigade" ?

The pilot didn't talk about range.

Again he said "about". Learn SA English.

2km range cannon, pathetic!!

Henry120:


You brought it up, not me.

And I have not found any thing that says Russia does not want to replace the hinds with mi28s

Henry120:


Even more excuse!!!


Errmm...... your examples are all new projects. the havoc entered service in 2009.

Even line production and delivery can be riddled with delays. From contracts, technology to funds.

It is procurement of new weapons right?

Russia isn't buying a variant of the Mi-28.

andrewza:


We built the many weapon systems before and are a builder of parts for the A400m.

Yes, you imported gun turret parts and assemble them together, painted them and renamed them. That's not building.

Henry120:


2km range cannon, pathetic!!

I only saw a re[ort say that. reports don't even know how far 2kms is. One asked why does that boat have 2 engines.

Henry120:


2km range cannon, pathetic!!

A reporter who calls FIB "forward intervention brigade"

Canon: 5km+
Rockets: 6km.
Missiles.
Anti-armour:10km.
Air to air:6km.

Henry120:


Yes, you imported gun turret parts and assemble them together, painted them and renamed them. That's not building.

which turret?