Henry120:


Even more excuse!!!


Errmm...... your examples are all new projects. the havoc entered service in 2009.

Russians say that the Hind is inferior and must be replaced
http://sputniknews.com/military/20130810/182683983.html

Their procurement is irrelevant. Fact remains, they have decided to retire the Hind.

Deal with it.

Henry120:


I bet you, the Apache, MI-35m, Havoc, Viper would all disagree.

If it's nice, people would buy it.

People buy what they can afford and what people will sell.

Henry120:


Yes, you imported gun turret parts and assemble them together, painted them and renamed them. That's not building.

You mean the Badger which was allmost completely re-designed?

FYI... the turrets are domestic and the guns.

agaugust:


You are running away from my simple question, out of 2,500 Hinds, how many Super Hinds exist?

Out of 2500 hinds... how many have been upgraded?

Henry120:


You are telling lies again. The Rooivalk was dumped out for the scrap it is.

The Turks already fly the cobra as their primary attack helicopter. Why would they need it to compete again?


Yet, they didn't bulge when it had to do with the HQ-9?

Citations please

agaugust:


The Hind is a true gunship,

Except as you pointed out... its not a true gunship... its a transport/medivac/gunship

Henry120:


. The Rooivalk is a very terrible french helicopter

How is it terrible?

agaugust:


Nigerian Hinds carry at least 12.7 mm x 4 and the 23 mm x 2 cannon options. Gun options is a major advantage Hind has over Rooivalk.

20mm is better because:
1. Accuracy
2. More ammunition

Henry120:


Mikeczar, jln115

Your cannon only has a 2km range. Your Airforce through that reporter confirms this.

Refer to the english he used... "OVER 2km" as apposed to "UP-TO 2km"

agaugust:


SAAF Rooivalk has no anti-tank or air to air missiles

Rooivalk gun range is 2 km

So what is the Mokopa and Ingwe ZT3?

Your hinds have no air to air missiles so what is the point of saying that?

agaugust:


It does NOT exist...Rooivalk Mk 2 is a dream with no hope

Didnt you say the same thing about the A-darter?

And the Badger?

Lol

Henry120:

SA initially wanted 32, but had to revert to 12 when the realised how bad the Helicopter is.

Citation needed for the part in bold.

Again, you lie

Henry120:



Sales is a good indication of how good a product it, hence th high sales the Apache and Abrahms have gathered.

The T-72 out-sold the abrams

Is the T-72 better than the Abrams?

No one has been sold the F-22 Raptor... does that mean it is the worst fighter in the world?

agaugust:


The Hind E is actually a new Russian variant and Brazil is buying it in 2014....only you think it's being phased out...Brazil is your friend, why did they not buy Rooivalk instead of Hind E ?

The only helicopter being phased out is Rooivalk....DENEL is already dreaming Mk2....the current SAAF is obsolete...DENEL proved me right !
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Denel is simply keeping their product up to date in an ever changing market.

Brazil didnt get the Rooivalk as they probably cannot afford to buy Rooivalk in the numbers they need.

agaugust:


Russia has not replaced over 300 Hinds today 2015.

And yet plans are in place to do so.

Because they know the Hind is an ancient relic of the cold war.

agaugust:


Sweden is phasing out SAAF version of Gripen jet

Are they?

This is not a d1ck measuring contest, but i'm very proud of our military right now. even though the international community and media refuse to acknowledge it (since good news coming out of Africa is not good for business), i will not be decieved.

The Nigerian military has set a record by rescuing 600 captives with just one casualty from a terrorist stronghold known for it's extremely difficult terrain. sambisa is almost free.
This in less than a week.

Abeg, 1 million gbosa to our boys in uniform.

saffers. feel free to hate/envy

agaugust:


Rooivalk Mk2 decision, not even production, just decision making in a room meeting will be done almost year 2018..... or mabe year 2050....it's another project Biro tragedy....no cash

And yet project Biro tenders will be announced on June 30th

You said the same thing about the Badger and A-darter... and even with all that egg on your face you continue to say it.

You should have learnt your lesson by now.

agaugust:


The world flies 2,500 Hinds.....nothing changes that.

Russia said it was replacing MiG-29 long ago.....yet they have hundreds of them in frontline service, they just upgraded with vector thrust.

Probably because Russians are holding off until the PAK-FA finishes development.

[quote author=Henry120 post=33362351]

Your Gripens are the very basic C/d model/quote]

lol. His envy is so pathetic

agaugust:


Excuses excuses for Rooivalk failure.

Apart from Turkey, is there no other export country in the world to buy Rooivalk?

How many can afford it?

Henry120:



The Rooivalk only got there because the turks were offered full technology transfer, a transfer france ( the original makers) objected to.

Again, citation needed.

Henry120 is spinning a web of lies to justify his delusions.

He hates the Rooivalk simply because it is South African. He hates it because it is the purest symbol of our superiority... while Nigeria is welding steel plates onto the suspension of American pickup trucks to make their sad little Igiri's, South Africa is designing and developing advanced attack helicopters and it makes him so angry

agaugust:


SAAF Pilots/Journalist citations....remember he said Rooivalk gun range is 2 km....he killed the Rooivalk

Screen Grab + Subtitles + timestamp please.

Your history of misquoting video's is well documented

Henry120:


Everything!!

- attack helicopter NO
- missiles NO
- Radar systems NO
- MRAP NO
- advanced submarine optics NO
- aeronautical components NO
- advanced long range guns NO
- advanced auto cannons NO
- data-links NO
- GBADS systems NO
etc etc etc

You do nothing and you know it

agaugust:


Okay so the journalist's whole story of Rooivalk is better than Hind becomes garbage and fake.

The Rooivalk pilot belongs to South African air force, or does UN own Rooivalks and produces Rooivalk pilots ?

You got trapped and now deny your own country's air force and pilot, you are a traitor and betrayer dude, you can one day deny your own family just to win an argument....your wife should fear you o !
.
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Your whole argument is based on a quotation that you are unwilling to provide.

Provide the quotation and then we will discuss your argument.

Henry120:


Yet the Brazilians, Russians, Nigerians, Azerbajanis, belarusians, Pakistanis are Pilling on the MI-35 numbers.


Your order was reverted because the SANDF..... as always, was broke!!

SA had plans.... similar to your 21 years Project biro plans. nothing new, many countries also have plans.

They don't operate them as the U.S didn't put them up for exports....... olodo!!

What major orders do the Russians have?

Project Biro nears completion with tenders being announced June 30th

agaugust:


Show us a source that says NAF has ever had pilots shortage for jet fighters.

We have shown sources of Gripen jet pilots shortages and lack of qualification to fly.


Show us a source that says NAF has ever had pilots shortage for jet fighters
.

You can show outdated information about the SAAF

Last we heard we had 18 aircrew.

agaugust:


We build drones, many types of drones
.

You mean you build copies of Isrealy drones

Henry120:


I'm only quoting your pilot. Go argue with him. He says your cannon only has a 2km range, that's what I agree with.


On the other hand, you are claiming the Rooivalk, pilot and reporter all belong to the U.N.

What the heck is the correlation?

Where did the pilot say that?

Point it out for me

agaugust:


9 pilots
9 navigators
= 18 Gripen air crew......from your own source.

You are yet to post a single source of NAF having 3 F-7 pilots, NOT EVEN A SINGLE SOURCE....even if it says 2 or 5 pilots, just post something....I see you running away and logging out....Shame....you run like SANDF parabats....I am not Seleka, why you dey run naa ?

Coward....show us source of NAF 3 F-7 pilots
.

14 pilots and 4 navigators....from my own source

Now show me a source were its states we have only 9 pilots.

agaugust:


Really ?

The journalist got the 2 km info from a herbalist oracle?

So the journalist is wrong, okay prove him wrong with tech/specs/data citations.

Forget the pilot, don't say he is right....you already denied him being a SAAF pilot
.

Prove the journalist said what you claim

Then we can discuss your argument

Henry120:


9 pilots
9 navigators
= 18 Gripen air crew.

Who says 9 navigators?

You do?

Ok then cool opinion