Empiree:
@truthman2012,

Let me tell you this, I have no time for your squabbles. First all, your op falls short narrating the whole story until after I did. Which means you have ulterior motives.

Second, from nonsense questions you asked, the whole narration answered your questions. The narration is clear enough. Either you didn't read or you dont understand it. I can't help you unfortunately. Quran is clear on the issue. If your Bible doesnt have anything to say about the event, then, you dont have the right to tell us we are wrong. I am not going back to rephrase the whole thing over.

As for why Moses, Jesus and others did not recognize Kaaba because it's not recorded in your Bible, that's your problem. If your Bible writers could expunged a whole chapter from the Bible, what else they can't do?. You are free to ask Bible authors what they did to it. Not me. Actually I think i need to post some Biblical references in this regard.

Also, the hadith narration clearly said Abraham came back to look for his son Ismail. And at that time, Abraham was an old man. Ismail was a grown man and married. I even highlighted that part and still you asked me again. You sure have problem with comprehension or reading.

I say, go back and read the whole thing but this time, read slowly with reading glasses on.

true2god:
If you read the rebuttal from truthman.2012 with an open mind you will discover that the story that Abraham built kabba is a big lie that is too easy to debunk. Even Islam sources contradicted itself on the issue.

A very valid point was raised, if kabba was built by Abraham as a sanctuary of mankind, why was it not talked about in the bible?

Why didnt Moses, joshua, samuel, saul, david, solomon, joseph, Jesus or any Jewish prophet talked about it or visited it? Why will it start with Abraham and Ishmael, later became a place for 360 arabia idol and later revived by mohammed? So many question marks.

[s]If there are non, it simply means that the kabba story is a fabrication by the arabs to give legitmacy to Islam by involving Abraham and ishmael in their constantly lying equation. It is a known fact that the arabs, till date, are the greatest lying race, so their information is never used as a reference anywhere in the whole world. You can hardly see a book written where arab authors or books are referenced.[/s]

It had been proven, by muslims, that many hadiths are fabricated, why must muslims still use hadith as a valid source of argument? If many hadiths are not authentic, fabricated or not reliable, can we say Islam is reliable? No. Because over 85% of islamic practices are from the hadith.

Empiree:
The question is which Bible?. We know already your Bible has over 40 diff versions that contradict themselves and we have been talking about this months long. Whether you accepted it or not is not important to me

These are questions for your Bible writers not me.

rubbish!

It's not for you to tell me which ahadith are fabricated or not. You are not a muslim. Therefore, i can't take you serious. I got some Biblical related stories. I shall post them as time permits. And I am sure you gonna disagree anyways. You all so desperate to visit your holy pilgrimage but you got none.

true2god:
You can go for 'osun osogbo' pilgrimage or festival, I dont care. All I'm saying is that just as we have 'osun osogbo' yearly festival or pilgrimage, hajj is arab version of this yoruba festival. The only difference is that while the yorubas maintains its originality by sticking purely to the tradition of their fore-fathers, the arabs have to develop lies and fairy-tales in order to draw the christians and the Jews to their idol worship in kabba.

Yorubas are so good that they won't formulate a story that Abraham visited the osun river, that ishmael is the first person to bath in osun river, that the osun god is the same god the Jewish worship but just that the jews and the christians have corrupted their religion hence they have refused comming for 'osun osogbo' festival.

It is all about packaging, if the yorubas wants to commercial the festival, just as the arab did for hajj, they can as well come up with something to draw the christains and the muslims to the event by developing a false history that will come similar to that of muslims and the christians. The next 10th generation will get it mix-up and the rest will become arguments.

The yoruba, unlike the arabs, are too big for that.

true2god:
You can go for 'osun osogbo' pilgrimage or festival, I dont care. All I'm saying is that just as we have 'osun osogbo' yearly festival or pilgrimage, hajj is arab version of this yoruba festival. The only difference is that while the yorubas maintains its originality by sticking purely to the tradition of their fore-fathers, the arabs have to develop lies and fairy-tales in order to draw the christians and the Jews to their idol worship in kabba.

Yorubas are so good that they won't formulate a story that Abraham visited the osun river, that ishmael is the first person to bath in osun river, that the osun god is the same god the Jewish worship but just that the jews and the christians have corrupted their religion hence they have refused comming for 'osun osogbo' festival.

It is all about packaging, if the yorubas wants to commercial the festival, just as the arab did for hajj, they can as well come up with something to draw the christains and the muslims to the event by developing a false history that will come similar to that of muslims and the christians. The next 10th generation will get it mix-up and the rest will become arguments.

The yoruba, unlike the arabs, are too big for that.

Empiree:
The only response you should get at this time is:, 'You know that if you bought a China phone and tried to configure it for internet settings, you will receive a message saying "Your phone can't be configured over the air please visit the nearest (mobile network) office." Similarly your brain can't be configure on Nairaland you need a manual setting.'

Empiree:
@truthman2012,

Let me tell you this, I have no time for your squabbles. First all, your op falls short narrating the whole story until after I did. Which means you have ulterior motives.

Second, from nonsense questions you asked, the whole narration answered your questions. The narration is clear enough. Either you didn't read or you dont understand it. I can't help you unfortunately. Quran is clear on the issue. If your Bible doesnt have anything to say about the event, then, you dont have the right to tell us we are wrong. I am not going back to rephrase the whole thing over.

As for why Moses, Jesus and others did not recognize Kaaba because it's not recorded in your Bible, that's your problem. If your Bible writers could expunged a whole chapter from the Bible, what else they can't do?. You are free to ask Bible authors what they did to it. Not me. Actually I think i need to post some Biblical references in this regard.

Also, the hadith narration clearly said Abraham came back to look for his son Ismail. And at that time, Abraham was an old man. Ismail was a grown man and married. I even highlighted that part and still you asked me again. You sure have problem with comprehension or reading.

I say, go back and read the whole thing but this time, read slowly with reading glasses on.

truthman2012:


I want the question put to you by true2god answered as that will throw more light on this issue. Since there is no biblical or historical records that prophets of God after Abraham visited Kaaba, show any authentic islamic record for it. If there is none, it will be irrational for you or anyone to believe Kaaba is a ''resort and sanctuary'' for ALL MANKIND. No doubt, must have been built by pagans.

truthman2012:


You will soon hate islam when you find yourself inside hell if you don't repent.

It has been proved that islam is idol worship and none of you could dispute that fact and all you have to say is that nonsense. I pity you.

POPdecorator:
i love being a muslim
live as muslim
and i pray to die as a muslim

ameeeeeeeeeeeeen

thou shall not die except being a musilm

If Kaaba is a resort and sanctuary for mankind, why Isaac, Jacob, Moses and even Jesus did not come there? Remember, it is supposed to be for ALL MANKIND AND NOT FOR ARABS ALONE

So, you mean Abraham was not a messenger to the Arabs. Then, he was a messenger to which people?

If Abraham was not a messenger in Mecca, what was he doing there building Kaaba

Again, after Abraham, there were so many prophets of God spanning over more than a thousand years from the descent of Abraham. You mean the Arabs were without guidance till the coming of Muhammad as they were not affected by all other prophets also from Abraham descent?

Why were the Arabs neglected for thousands of years after Abraham and were not covered by many prophets sent by God?

When the quran says there was not messenger sent to the Arabs and no book given to them, does that not shows Ishmael wasn't there? Or was Ishmael not a messenger?

Empiree:
Let me ask you this, what do you considered house of God according to you or your Bible?.

Empiree:
@truthman2012,

Let me tell you this, I have no time for your squabbles. First all, your op falls short narrating the whole story until after I did. Which means you have ulterior motives.

Second, from nonsense questions you asked, the whole narration answered your questions. The narration is clear enough. Either you didn't read or you dont understand it. I can't help you unfortunately. Quran is clear on the issue. If your Bible doesnt have anything to say about the event, then, you dont have the right to tell us we are wrong. I am not going back to rephrase the whole thing over.

As for why Moses, Jesus and others did not recognize Kaaba because it's not recorded in your Bible, that's your problem. If your Bible writers could expunged a whole chapter from the Bible, what else they can't do?. You are free to ask Bible authors what they did to it. Not me. Actually I think i need to post some Biblical references in this regard.

Also, the hadith narration clearly said Abraham came back to look for his son Ismail. And at that time, Abraham was an old man. Ismail was a grown man and married. I even highlighted that part and still you asked me again. You sure have problem with comprehension or reading.

I say, go back and read the whole thing but this time, read slowly with reading glasses on.

truthman2012:


I pity you. Muhammad is in hell now, you will soon join him.

[Quran 3:185] Every soul will taste of death. And ye will be paid on the Day of Resurrection only that which ye have fairly earned. WHOSO IS REMOVED FROM THE FIRE and is made to enter paradise, he indeed is triumphant. The life of this world is but comfort of illusion.

Muhammad is in Fire now waiting to be removed on the Day of Rusurrection. Allah told the muslims they are going to hell and they are happy about it. You don't know what is meant to be inside fire. Light a candle and put one of your fingers on it for just 5 minutes. Then you will be able to have an ideal of Muhammad's experience in fire for the past 1400 years.

[Quran19:71-72 Shakir] 71. And there is not one of you but shall come to it; this is an unavoidable decree of your Lord.
72. And We will deliver those who guarded (against evil), and We will leave the unjust therein on their knees.

Verse 71 says all muslims by allahh's decree shall come to hell first.

Verse 72 says some will be removed and the rest left inside there.

Die a muslim and go to hell! Everyone who has an experience of heaven saw Muhammad in hell.

POPdecorator:

give me straigth answer
did any prophect in bible do pilgrimage to jerusalem?



?was moses a messanger to egypt hw was he born in egypt?

ARAB were without gaurdiance before muhammed(SAW) as africa were without gaurdiance be4 muhammed(SAW)


ur paragraph answer


why were african also neglected after moses(AS)

POPdecorator:
that verses is one of the reason i like islam pls i need another one



for me to die as a poor muslim better than richer xtian

thou shall not die except being a muslim

truthman2012:


Contadiction: Abraham came back to look for his son Ishmael after allahh had told him not to look back. Did he disobey allahh?

POPdecorator:

give me straigth answer
did any prophect in bible do pilgrimage to jerusalem?



?was moses a messanger to egypt hw was he born in egypt?

ARAB were without gaurdiance before muhammed(SAW) as africa were without gaurdiance be4 muhammed(SAW)


ur paragraph answer


why were african also neglected after moses(AS)

POPdecorator:
my GOD which ALLAH(SWA) told ibrahim not to look back at that present time, is not for everrrrrr mr man use ur sense or u need upgrading?

give me straigth answer
did any prophect in bible do pilgrimage to jerusalem?

was moses a messanger to egypt hw was he born in egypt?

ARAB were without gaurdiance before muhammed(SAW) as africa were without gaurdiance be4 muhammed(SAW)


ur paragraph answer

why were african also neglected after moses(AS)

malvisguy212:
pilgrimage to Jerusalem is not the foundation of Christianity,unlike Islam,pilgrimage to Mecca is among the five pillar of Islam.

The Egyptian held the isrealite in bondage, by then they are not yet a nation, Moses even recognised his root,Moses know he was a isrealite that why he said to Pharaoh "let MY PEOPLE go" if Moses were send to the Egyptian he would have includes the Egyptian in the phrase "let my people go"

The Arab were not promise a prophet, they are gentile nation just like Africa, it was the duty of the early church to bring the good news to the arab and Africans.
So answer the op.

POPdecorator:

Africa were without gaurdiance be4 muhammed(SAW)


ur paragraph answer


why were african also neglected after moses(AS)

malvisguy212:
and also,the quran claimed every nation were sent a Warner, I will like to know which Warner were sent to the Asia? American? And African?

POPdecorator:
tanx for that link
there are over 1000 prophect sent to the surface earth if quran is to talks abt there life the quran will big like something else and we won't be able to read it
even in nigeria the prophect was sent to us but when they gone we did other thing as some man did in buybull after moses went for comandment

true2god:
Stop insulting our African ancestors all because you want to defend mohammed and Islam. An arab man reading your comment will think you are very foolish for making such an insultive remark about your fore-fathers.

We black Africans, from ethiopia to the land of the zulus (south africa) have always have leaders who pilot the affairs of the society. Where was islam when benin kingdom developed the best art and craft in africa.

Tell me a single african man\king who married a girl of 6yr old. Show me a single african king who took his adopted son's wife? Show me a single african king who declare war on neighboring community for refussing to accept him as a high priest and a servant of the gods. These are mohammed's criminal activities well documented in the hadith.

African leaders have honour and respect than your colonial, imperial and warmongering arabian warlord.

malvisguy212:
you have no idea of what you are saying here, you are very confused and you lack spiritual knowledge,ok let us agree with you prophet were sent in Nigeria but the quran did not gave account of it, one person should have bear witnesses of a prophet sent to Nigeria,God will not allow his message go unheard, who in Nigeria hear this prophet deliver the message of God? If the quran does not give account, common sense would've told you, someone in Nigeria heard the message? Keep on believing in lies to satisfied your weak spirit.

POPdecorator:
tanx for that link
there are over 1000 prophect sent to the surface earth if quran is to talks abt there life the quran will big like something else and we won't be able to read it
even in nigeria the prophect was sent to us but when they gone we did other thing as some man did in buybull after moses went for comandment