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Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by OneNaira6: 3:19am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: So your own research is different from the same research the rest of us did. Is it not the same google we all used to find links, books, etc we provided to you. Or do you think we scratched and pulled our yansh and those links, books, etc magically appeared on our computer, laptop, phone, etc. Nwoke, commot from here. Spin another story. Mr history teacher. Btw: You were already given more than an hour. Since THE Last Time YOU Said "I have To Look IT up" . More than 2 hrs have passed 2 Likes |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by Nobody: 3:19am On May 04, 2015 |
bigfrancis21:@ big Francis, sorry for deviating but there was a time I pleaded with u over something and u totally ignored it. I read ur history/background b4 reaching out but was ignored. And thiat was an info u were very willing to give out to others. I vex delete the post after two months of waiting. Kedu Ka I di? |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by sukkot: 3:21am On May 04, 2015 |
OneNaira6:patience they do say is a virtue |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by bigfrancis21: 3:23am On May 04, 2015 |
Growing up as a kid, I had immense interest in the slave trade and seeing the supposed tilt of slave interest towards yoruba back then, deep down inside me I knew something was not right. Deep down I knew the Igbo had played significant role in the slave trade, as if it were some knowledge carried with me from a past life. When mobile phones and access to the internet became readily available in Nigeria in 2007, I began researching into the role of Igbos in the slave trade and it took until researchers like Douglas Chambers to piece together the whole story and publish his work and the work of Olaudah Equiano that the role of the Igbos in slave trade became popular and widely known. 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by bigfrancis21: 3:24am On May 04, 2015 |
moca: Sorry my dear, which info was that please? I totally don't recall. |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by Nobody: 3:32am On May 04, 2015 |
bigfrancis21:U won't cos it was last yr. I married into ur place and I so much want to know d culture of ur people. Even even know more than my hubby's people cos they hardly go home. I saw where u xplained one or two things about ur culture and reached out. I still want to know. So I can teach my children. If u can help, I will call u out one good day we r online. I read almost all ur posts. Highly intelligent and versatile. And I bu nwoke tozuru etozu na mma. Dalu 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by bigfrancis21: 3:34am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: Twice as many Yoruba slaves as Igbo slaves were exported during the slave trade. While over 1.3 million Igbo slaves were sold into slavery, only about 500,000 yorubas were sold into slavery, especially by the portuguese and french. Succinctly put, there is twice more Igbo genetic contribution in US and the Carribean than there is Yoruba. Further explains the strikingly similar looks between Igbos and AAs. I am Igbo and currently in the US and many people mistake me to be african american until I open my mouth and speak in my Nigerian accent. One african american elderly lady at work even took offence at me one time because I happened to be working on the computer in her office and on seeing me assumed I was an african american male and chatted me up only for her to hear my accent, the look on her face changed. Since then she has remained unfriendly with me. 1 Like
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Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by sukkot: 3:37am On May 04, 2015 |
ok here is an excerpt from one of the articles But female Igbo were valued as more emotionally stable than the men, and hard workers. If we look closer at marketing patterns and other data, we see a strikingly different image of the Igbo in various regions of the Americas. In some places, they were especially prized. Colin Palmer’s study of the British asiento slave trade to the Spanish Colonies (17?-1739) (ADD correct dates) makes it clear that Spanish purchasers bought only prime Africans for whom they paid the highest prices. Palmer wrote:, “The Ibo . . .were considered tractable and hence were highly sought after by some of the slaveholders in the Americas.”ii Moreau de St-Mery wrote that while some St. Domingue planters hesitated to buy Igbo slaves because of their suicidal tendencies, others preferred them because they were very attached to each other OK LETS GOOGLE THE WORD ' TRACTABLE ' tractable [trak-tuh-buh l] Spell Syllables Synonyms Examples Word Origin adjective 1. easily managed or controlled; docile; yielding: a tractable child; a tractable disposition. 2. easily worked, shaped, or otherwise handled; malleable. THERE GO DOCUMENTATION FOR YOU. I HAVENT FOUND THE ONE I AM LOOKING FOR YET THOUGH BUT I WILL KEEP SEARCHING |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by bigfrancis21: 3:37am On May 04, 2015 |
moca: Thanks dear for the commendation. I appreciate it. Oh I remember now. Honestly, time is a major factor against me. You know how life in the US is, always busy. I can help you learn all that you need to learn, though my responses might not be too quick. Let us open a separate thread for that. |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by sukkot: 3:38am On May 04, 2015 |
OneNaira6: sukkot: |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by sukkot: 3:39am On May 04, 2015 |
AkanIgbo: sukkot: |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 3:40am On May 04, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: I don't think that that is true. I think that the Yoruba people were the largest group slaves next to the Bantu people from Angola and the Congo. I think that the Igbo people were the third largest group and the Akan 4th. I will look up the stats on that just to be sure, but there was a reason why the slaves were chosen to go to different places. EDIT: Just as I thought. Yoruba people made up most of the slaves. The earlier figure of about 1.4 million for Igbo was about right. The Yoruba was 2 million or more, which makes sense when considering that there are more black people in South America than there are in North America. "Nigeria kept its important position in the slave trade throughout the great expansion of the transatlantic trade after the middle of the seventeenth century. Slightly more slaves came from the Nigerian coast than from Angola in the eighteenth century, while in the nineteenth century perhaps 30 percent of all slaves sent across the Atlantic came from Nigeria. Over the period of the whole trade, more than 3.5 million slaves were shipped from Nigeria to the Americas. Most of these slaves were Igbo and Yoruba, with significant concentrations of Hausa, Ibibio, and other ethnic groups. In the eighteenth century, two polities--Oyo and the Aro confederacy--were responsible for most of the slaves exported from Nigeria. The Aro confederacy continued to export slaves through the 1830s, but most slaves in the nineteenth century were a product of the Yoruba civil wars that followed the collapse of Oyo in the 1820s." http://countrystudies.us/nigeria/7.htm http://www.soundjunction.org/whereslavescamefrom.aspa As an aside here is why the Igbos wouldn't have been the largest group enslaved: "American plantations were dwarfed by those in the West Indies. About a quarter of U.S. slaves lived on farms with 15 or fewer slaves. In 1850, just 125 plantations had over 250 slaves." http://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/slavery-and-anti-slavery/resources/facts-about-slave-trade-and-slavery http://www.academia.edu/1221155/Slavery_Identity_and_Ethnicity_An_Examination_of_the_Social_Contour_of_the_Yoruba_in_Africa_and_in_the_Diaspora http://yorubanation.net/atlantic-yoruba-and-the-expanding-frontiers-of-yoruba-culture-and-politics/ 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by sukkot: 3:41am On May 04, 2015 |
Phut: sukkot: |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by Nobody: 3:42am On May 04, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: Oh! Thank u nwoke oma. Anytime u r free,hola. I'm mostly online for now so I will see it. Will be reminding u every now and then. I know u r very busy. Jisie ike inugo? |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by bigfrancis21: 3:43am On May 04, 2015 |
moca: Oge owuna I mepelu thread ofuu, biko si mee ka m malu. Daalu rinne, nwanne. |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by OneNaira6: 3:45am On May 04, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: That reborn account is most likely a yoruba. I can bet a billion on that and win it gracefully. Notice, just notice that account is recent and ironically all the post is on this thread ALONE. It just your typical yoruba coward using others as shield like always. I can bet you my life that nigga is not ejegham. After on this thread alone, the only that seem pained from the topic is, YORUBA. # spits on the floor about that pathetuc, worthless tribe 2 Likes |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by bigfrancis21: 3:49am On May 04, 2015 |
AkanIgbo: No bro. The Bight of Benin region was the second largest group in number exported, followed by the bight of biafra coming third. Now if you take a look at the figures of the individual tribes taken from the bight of benin, over 10 different tribes were sold ouut of the bight of benin, not just the yorubas. Akan people, a significant number in the slave trade, came from that region. Also, the Ewe, the Fon, Barba, Nupes etc. The yorubas are estimated to be 26.3% of all slaves coming from that region. The total individual figures of tens of tribes sold from bight of benin made the total figure coming from bight of benin high. Compare this scenario with Bight of Biafra where very few major tribes were taken (Igbo, Ibibio, Ijaw) and Igbos were the overwhelming majority. Comparing individual tribal figures, not by bights, the Igbo figure trumps that of the Yorubas. For example, below is a list of bights and ethnicities taken from each bight in Saint Dominigue. While bight of benin recorded a higher contribution figure due to more tribes taken from its region than the bight of biafra, individually Igbos were more in number than Yorubas. [img]http://2.bp..com/-oVkhX8gNYOo/ULcgzOy_eOI/AAAAAAAAfxU/q5DVtrI0t6g/s1600/African+ethnic+origins+saint+domingue.png[/img] Notice that slaves from the congo and angola region were the highest in number, consistent with records that show that the angola-congo region produced the highest number of slaves taking a holistic look at it. Coming next in line is the bight of benin, a stretch from south western nigeria all the way to ghana - spanning over 4 different countries, with tens of tribes coming from that region. Third highest in total regional contribution is the bight of biafra, with slaves coming mostly from Nigeria (Igboland, Ibibio Land and Ijaw Land) and some from Cameroun, with the Igbos being the overwhelming majority. 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by Phut(f): 3:53am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: Where is the link o? And what you posted up there is rubbish and contradictory at best. How can people be suicidal and tractable at the same time? Makes no dayim sense. Also being attached to each other does not equal tractable. 2 Likes |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by sukkot: 3:56am On May 04, 2015 |
Phut:so you are disputing history now ? this the man who wrote the article. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9d%C3%A9ric_Louis_%C3%89lie_Moreau_de_Saint-M%C3%A9ry |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 3:57am On May 04, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: No bro. Here it is. They did a study on it. Most of the slaves out of Nigeria were Yoruba. "Nigeria kept its important position in the slave trade throughout the great expansion of the transatlantic trade after the middle of the seventeenth century. Slightly more slaves came from the Nigerian coast than from Angola in the eighteenth century, while in the nineteenth century perhaps 30 percent of all slaves sent across the Atlantic came from Nigeria. Over the period of the whole trade, more than 3.5 million slaves were shipped from Nigeria to the Americas. Most of these slaves were Igbo and Yoruba, with significant concentrations of Hausa, Ibibio, and other ethnic groups. In the eighteenth century, two polities--Oyo and the Aro confederacy--were responsible for most of the slaves exported from Nigeria. The Aro confederacy continued to export slaves through the 1830s, but most slaves in the nineteenth century were a product of the Yoruba civil wars that followed the collapse of Oyo in the 1820s." http://countrystudies.us/nigeria/7.htm The Igbo were mostly enslaved by the Aro Confederacy. The Yoruba were enslaved by the Oyo and then during the Yoruba civil war that followed the collapse of Oyo. Your research just showed the area that the slaves were shipped from, my study actually looked at the peoples enslaved. Your figures of 1.4 Igbo being enslaved sounds about right. Figures I have seen for the Yoruba was much higher; some in the range of 2 millions others well above 3+ millions. It stands to reason, because South America has many more black people than North America. 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by sukkot: 4:00am On May 04, 2015 |
Phut:two guys wrote the article. one of them has a book on the slave trade. colin palmer. the white guy colin palmer is the one who wrote about the ibos being tractable in USA. the other guy is in the carribean who says they are suicidal. two opinions in two different countries http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/156479?uid=3739560&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21106260513451 |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by bigfrancis21: 4:06am On May 04, 2015 |
AkanIgbo: That is untrue. You failed to understand what the article wrote. Here is an excerpt from the link you quoted: Nigeria kept its important position in the slave trade throughout the great expansion of the transatlantic trade after the middle of the seventeenth century. Slightly more slaves came from the Nigerian coast than from Angola in the eighteenth century, while in the nineteenth century perhaps 30 percent of all slaves sent across the Atlantic came from Nigeria. Over the period of the whole trade, more than 3.5 million slaves were shipped from Nigeria to the Americas. Most of these slaves were Igbo and Yoruba, with significant concentrations of Hausa, Ibibio, and other ethnic groups. In the eighteenth century, two polities--Oyo and the Aro confederacy--were responsible for most of the slaves exported from Nigeria. The Aro confederacy continued to export slaves through the 1830s, but most slaves in the nineteenth century were a product of the Yoruba civil wars that followed the collapse of Oyo in the 1820s. Most of the slaves after the abolition of the british slave trade happened to be yorubas. That is, Yorubas were sold more in slavery after abolishment of the slave trade than during the peak of the slave trade itself. We begin to find more Yoruba presence in the slave trade in the 19th century than 16th, 17th and 18th centuries put together. I mentioned earlier that yorubas had appeared more in the slave trade during its latter half and towards the end of the british slave trade, which explains the survival of yoruba religions in the americas and their origins fresh in their memories. They arrived decades after other tribes had been shifted to the new world and lost touch with their african cultures. This 19th century in question is 1801 to 1900, just 2 centuries or 200 years ago. Figures below show the total amount of yorubas shipped after the abolishment of the british slave trade, when we begin to notice a substantial yoruba presence in the slave trade. Notice the given figure of 500,000. Compare this with the Igbo figure of about 1.4 million, spanning from the 16th to 18th centuries. The work below is the work of a well-known author - Paul Lovejoy. Notice the second image that specifically mentions the sale of yorubas after the abolition of the british slave trade. 1 Like
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Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by Phut(f): 4:06am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: But there were well documented suicides at Solomon Island in the U.S. So I call BS on the Americans assertion. When a person would rather die than be subjected to something, such a person is clearly , intractable. The biggest sacrifice one can make is with ones own life mmmkay! 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by bigfrancis21: 4:08am On May 04, 2015 |
AkanIgbo: I doubt the 2 million figure that you mentioned. Please provide links that support this. |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by OneNaira6: 4:09am On May 04, 2015 |
[quote author=sukkot post=33395892][/quote] Dumbass. LMFAO. you actually just justified what all have been saying. Your book was talking about igbo women. We were talking about the men. Every African slaves women were docile including the notorious mandigo, akan, wolof, Angolan and even igbo hence the reason most rebellion were done by men. None of us have ever denied the igbo women were docile. Duh...we know that From the same book in which you delebrately tried to avoid post the link You noticed where iit said the igbo were preferred mostly for the wonen. Igbo men were deposed while igbo women loved. Igbo unwanted in loud Ian and much more more. All that paragraph from the same book, Slavery and African Ethnicities in the Americas: Restoring the Links By Gwendolyn Midlo Hall. Lmfaooo. Next. I'm waiting 1 Like
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Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by sukkot: 4:09am On May 04, 2015 |
Phut:yes but the ones in america which is the point of this argument ( VIRGINIA ) were docile like kids and thats why americans mostly wanted ibo slaves. the man who wrote this has a best seller book on the slave trade mmkayyyy and lived during that era and am sure knows a lot more than you and i combined http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/156479?uid=3739560&uid=2&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21106260513451 |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by sukkot: 4:13am On May 04, 2015 |
OneNaira6:did you read where it said Ibo slaves were tractable and hence why they were mostly wanted in america ? did i google the word tractable for you ? CASE CLOSED |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by Phut(f): 4:13am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot:No they were not docile. Here is documentation about the mass suicide at Solomon Island. And there were other cases as well “...dey bring duh Ibos [Igbos] obuh [over] in a slabe [slave] ship, an’ wen dey git yuh [here], dey ain’ lak [like] it, an’ so dey all staht singin an’ deh mahch right down in duh ribbuh [river] tuh mahch back tuh Africa, but dey ain’ able to git deah. Dey gits drown.” – Floyd White, native of St Simon’s Island, Georgia (published in “Drums and Shadows”, 1940) P.S. And the slaves that landed in Virginia were sometimes sent North or South, so no need trying to limit anything to Virginia. The discussion was about the U.S.A 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by sukkot: 4:15am On May 04, 2015 |
Phut:LISTEN you can either face the reality or keep deluding yourself. there is a reason why virginians only wanted ibo slaves and it wasnt because they were rebellious. accept it or leave it. but you were not the brave people you like to pretend you are. YOU WERE TRACTABLE during your slavery in USA tractable [trak-tuh-buh l] Spell Syllables Synonyms Examples Word Origin adjective 1. easily managed or controlled; docile; yielding: a tractable child; a tractable disposition. 2. 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by bigfrancis21: 4:15am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: You have kept repeating lies on this thread. Your aim of repeating this lie is to portay the Igbo as 'weak' and 'docile' or what? The major reason for the huge presence of Igbos in Virginia was due to the mass poverty of virginia slave owners, and Igbo slaves were 'refuse slaves' owing to their rebellious and suicidal tendencies, leaving the virginia slave owners no choice but to buy Igbo slaves. In south carolina, slaves from congo and angola were preferred because they were more docile. 3 Likes |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by sukkot: 4:18am On May 04, 2015 |
bigfrancis21:so you are saying the igbos only appealed to poor farmers ? that still dont help your case. only the broke farmers wanted you ? lmao |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 4:19am On May 04, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: I am not sure that we are even discussing the same point at this point, but slavery is slavery and there were clearly more Yoruba people were placed in it than Igbo. I don't even think that the point is debatable, because it is pretty clear by looking at the size of the populations in the Americas. Btw, in my initial post to your statement I listed that the people of Angola/Congo were the hardest hit group and then the Yoruba people. I don't understand why you are disputing that. You seemed to be focused on where the people were shipped from rather than what ethnic group they were in. Fwiw, most slaves walked along way to the slave ports, so just because they were shipped from a place does not mean that they were from that place. The Igbos are unique in many respects, because we know who enslaved them. The Yoruba people were enslaved a little differently. |
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