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Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by sukkot: 4:20am On May 04, 2015 |
anyway am outtt like last year. it was nice kicking your ass my biafran friends. a lesson in humility was dished out tonight. be more humble and you will have less enemies ![]() ![]() |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by Phut(f): 4:21am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: Repeat after me: PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO COMMIT SUICIDE ARE NOT TRACTABLE. Get that through your thick skull 2 Likes |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by OneNaira6: 4:22am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: From that same book. The same place where you got that quote said and I quote, also posted above for verification. "Igbo men were depised and the igbo women loved. Though igbo men sales was about the same rate as the women until it dropped due to preference for the women". Also on that exact book, it equally stated and I wuote, also posted for reference, "igbo were not "refuse" slaves actually preferred because of the independent stance of the igbo women". Nigga maybe next time actually read the entire portion of the book before jumping to it. There are several books justifying that igbo women were docile and actually wanted by the slave master. Likewise, the same for other rebellious slave group women. Name one slave rebellion that started by women? We are talking about the men or did you forget what the convo was about aka SLAVE REBELS. Even from your own post book it actually stated igbo men were depised. Try harder. We are still waiting. Btw: avoiding to post the link or name where you get your exempts ain't going to stop us from researching what you provided. ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by Phut(f): 4:24am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: Okay, run away with your tail between your legs. Typical! Post the original article you have been singing about all through this thread and not that contradictory BS you posted 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 4:24am On May 04, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: You gave the figure of 1.4 million for Igbos which seems like a number that I have seen around. The article list 3.5 million, so subtracting away that 1.4 million leaves 2.1 million Yoruba. Nether one of us know the real numbers, but both groups were decimated by their own ethnic groups. What is stunning is that Yoruba for the most part didn't enslave Igbo and Igbo didn't enslave Yoruba. Both Igbo and Yoruba were betrayed by their own people. |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by bigfrancis21: 4:25am On May 04, 2015 |
AkanIgbo: This is not a theory to be easily said by mere wish of the mouth. To establish a theory as fact, you need to come up with hard evidence. Contributions of african peoples to the slave trade was done by regions, not individual tribes, thus the central african region came first (with tribes such as kimbundu, kongo, ovimbundu, etc), coming next is the bight of benin (dahomey-togo tribes, benin republic tribes, ghanaian tribes, yoruba), then bight of biafra (one country mostly - Nigeria including Igbos, Ibibios and Ijaws). Regionally, bight of benin comes second and bight of biafra third, however individually by tribe, the Igbos trumped the Yorubas in numbers. http://sites.duke.edu/marronnagevoyages/nations/nago/ https://books.google.com/books?id=Uk1Tbdsq99gC&pg=PA47&lpg=PA47&dq=population+of+slaves+from+bight+of+benin&source=bl&ots=JIkoxHu1bE&sig=sGcYBnh9R5jMHhEGehIgdprZtVA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IdVGVfHKGZGGNqSggLgL&ved=0CEQQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=population%20of%20slaves%20from%20bight%20of%20benin&f=false For years it has been spread all over that Yorubas were sold in 'highest of numbers' merely due to the fact that yoruba-derived religions survived in the carribean and spread to other countries. The christian religion today is an offshoot of the jewish religion, and the jews today number about 6 million or 12 million (including the 6 million who died in the holocaust), however it doesn't make every practising christian a jew. If we were to follow in such similar line of reasoning, then the actual jewish figure today is over 700 million people worldwide. However, we know that is not true. Objectively, learn to separate the population of ifa worshippers from the actual yoruba-descended peoples who are actually fewer in number than you think. 2 Likes |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by OneNaira6: 4:31am On May 04, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: Dude he is right what you are posting are links to where bight of biafran slaves were dropped more so than others. There were more Yoruba slaves than Igbo and bright of biafran slaves. The South America actually sorted out for more slaves than the America and English speaking caribbean where bright of Biafra slaves were predominantly dropped at. 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by bigfrancis21: 4:32am On May 04, 2015 |
OneNaira6: There is problem with this claim because actual figures on yoruba slaves sold actually say the opposite. Don't be deceived by the number of ifa worshippers to believe that every single one of them is yoruba-descended. Ifa is a religion to these people, and many people join the religion to reconnect culturally back to mama africa. 1 Like
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Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by OneNaira6: 4:34am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: Is this dude running away. We are still waiting on your well documented proves. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by Phut(f): 4:34am On May 04, 2015 |
OneNaira6: Don't mind the anumanu. Misquoting and contradicting himself all over the place. Babyosisi had already posted the google book source where it said Igbo males where despised. She actually posted a screen shot of the page. Leave him to continue typing his falsified rubbishing. While falsifying, he tripped himself up by contradicting himself. Uburu kpoi kpoi 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by OneNaira6: 4:37am On May 04, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: I'm not going to argue on who got sold the highest with you. That's not something to even feel mighty on so I'm going to end my convo on that here. Goodluck on that |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by scholes0(m): 4:39am On May 04, 2015 |
There were more Angolan, Akan, Senegambian and Igbo slaves in English speaking North America. But I believe more Yoruba and Kongo/Angolan slaves overall. Especially in places like Brazil 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by Nobody: 4:40am On May 04, 2015 |
ezeagu: I have no problem with Obeah being derived from Igbo language just don't want it to be interpreted as Caribbean folks using it in terms of Igbo divination systems as I am aware they have their own religious system. I suppose the High Commission market it more because people show more interest in it....there is a market basically.I do not think Igbo people I have met personally market their culture.Like my best friend ex-husband for years is an Igbo man from Onitsha, Anambra but in all the time I have known him...he barely spoke about his culture.Another one I met at university who is from Delta state he barely spoke about his culture even when interest was shown as I am the type of person who ask people about their culture even if they are from the Caribbean self.Same cannot be said for the Yorubas I have met who were generally eager to share their culture. It is weird as I have met more Igbo Nigerians than Yoruba Nigerians and they are married to Trinidadian women so I don't understand why the culture is not promoted.The Nigerian High Commission really tries with promoting Yoruba culture.Presently Yoruba language is the only African language that is taught at the University of the West Indies which is where the Language Institute is under and I heard from the teacher they want to introduce it up to the diploma level. Historically with regards to Trinidadians we have a stronger pull towards Yoruba culture as it is quite normal to meet an Adeola,Olatunji etc as there are many Orisha devotees so I get why the High Commission promotes it but at the same time there are a few half-igbo babies in Trinidad so I think they can work on it. Yoruba culture marketability is also helped by private organisations as the Yoruba teacher reached out to Black conscious groups which gives further exposure.If Igbo can work on that I think eventually we will learn more about the culture. |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by OneNaira6: 4:41am On May 04, 2015 |
Phut: He deliberately avoided posting the link or name of his exempts cause he knows even it kicked his @ss. Too bad he forgot you can actually trace down a book based on the quotes from it. ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 4:44am On May 04, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: When you research it more you are going to see that it is not even close. Yoruba people taken as slaves out number Igbo by a great number. As an African American that is one of the things that I learned early on in my research; because it is known in this Hemisphere that the Yoruban were numerous in South America. In fact there are far more Yoruba people in South America than are Igbo and Akan descended people in North America. We can agree to disagree, but when you do more research your eyes are going to be opened. It is a really sad subject anyway, because Igbo and Yoruba people were completely mistreated by our own people. Sad stuff. |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by bigfrancis21: 4:45am On May 04, 2015 |
AkanIgbo: Your mathematical analysis is totally wrong because you failed to include the figures of the Ibibio, Ijaws, Hausas, Nupes etc and other tribes that were sold from Nigeria. You think only Igbo and Yoruba were sold out of Nigeria. Not only Igbo and Yoruba were taken from Nigeria. Those other tribes aforementioned were taken too. Over 700,000 hausas were taken from Nigeria. From bight of biafra, abouut 400,000 non-igbos slaves (ibibio, ijaws) were taken from the bight, pitching the total number taken from the bight to be 1.8 million as sources say. Bringing the total of Hausas, Ibibios and Ijaws to be 1.1 million. Adding this figure to 1.4m Igbos, gives 2.5 million. Assuming the 3.5 million figure quoted in the website is correct, then subtracting 2.5m from 3.5 leaves about 1m. The figure of the nupes is not yet known. Not also forgetting the sobos (urhobos, isokos etc) sold by the bini empire. Now Ilorin and Oyo were major Yoruba slave centers and from these centers they sold muslim hausa/fulani slaves in addition to yoruba slaves, thus leaving the actual figure of the yorubas to be actually no more than 600,000 to 700,000 in number. Academic figures of 500,000+ are right. Figures on the Hausa Slave Trade: https://books.google.com/books?id=8Fcr1HSZXNgC&pg=PA146&lpg=PA146&dq=figure+of+hausas+in+slave+trade&source=bl&ots=a4oeuK4UWB&sig=B2KuDkAe-Dej89W4_2UEkHF6lKQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QOlGVdjbGdDfggS_4YDgAg&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=figure%20of%20hausas%20in%20slave%20trade&f=false |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by Phut(f): 4:46am On May 04, 2015 |
OneNaira6:LOL! Forgery gone wrong ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by AkanIgbo: 4:51am On May 04, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: We will agree to disagree. But look at the slavery over time, rather than during just one period of time and then don't just focus on one slave port, because that only tells you where people were shipped from; not who they actually were. |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by bigfrancis21: 4:52am On May 04, 2015 |
OneNaira6: It is not about feeling mighty but publishing actual truth and fact, and not dwelling on hearsay. Nobody should be proud of slavery. |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by bigfrancis21: 4:56am On May 04, 2015 |
AkanIgbo: That's what I have been doing all along. I have been the one dwelling on figures and hard evidence from the entire period. The figure of Igbos I gave you is from the entire period. You haven't provided much evidence anyway other than to repeat some theory you picked somewhere without actual evidence. I have requested evidence from you over and over again, and you have failed to provide any. This is not how it works in the field of academia, especially not in the United States. Speaking of bights, which other bights sold yorubas other than bight of benin? And which other bights were the Igbos taken from other than the bight of biafra? You don't seem to be that knowledgeable after all about the west african slave trade. |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by bigfrancis21: 4:58am On May 04, 2015 |
AkanIgbo: Once again you are only repeating some theory picked up somewhere without evidence. That is not how it works in the academic field, bro. You back up theories with evidence. Or else, there would be loads of textbooks today in our world based on mere fantasies and wishful thinking. |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by bigfrancis21: 5:05am On May 04, 2015 |
sukkot: That is not necessary. The fact that the Igbos were refuse slaves due to their 'hardy headedness' (ishi ike) and 'rebellious' tendencies flatly proves your so-called 'tractable' claims wrong, under your quest to present Igbo slaves as docile and incapable of revolts, when the yorubas were known to be the docile ones, melancholy in character and pliable in nature. The Igbo revolt at St. Simons Island, Georgia, leading to the famous Ebo landing is another famous Igbo revolt in North America. In Palmares Brazil, the Igbo slaves one time revolted and established the Ibo republic of Palmares that controlled the plantation trade and dictated the trade for the upper half of that century (over 40 years) until its resistance was later quashed by the white slave owners. In Jamaica, Igbos were known to be very rebellious, often carrying out slave revolts in the country. In Haiti, the Igbos were known to be rebellious and suicidal, thus the haitian phrase for Ibos 'Ibo pend cor ayo' (Igbos hang themselves) and are said to be the backbone behind the liberation of haitians from french rule in the 1800s (independence of haiti). Your petty attempts to pitch an opposite against the obvious is laughable when academic sources overwhelmingly posit the opposite. 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by bigfrancis21: 5:12am On May 04, 2015 |
A Song in Haitian Creole Dedicated to their Igbo Ancestors Ibo Granmoun O / The Ibos are their own authority Granmoun O / Their own authority Ibo Granmoun O / The Ibos are their own authority Lakay Ibo / In the Land of Igbos (strkingly similar to 'ala nke Igbo' in Igbo language) Ibo Granmoun O / The Ibos are their own authority As Haiti continues to struggle to build a democracy, we poise to remember one root of our democracy. Although the word democracy is from Greece, the concept of democracy arose independently in other societies. It arose among the Ibo people of today’s Nigeria, where people’s right to have a voice in how they are ruled was respected. The ancient Ibo people of Nigeria had a democratic state. Unlike their neighbors, the Nago, the Guedevi, and the Mayi, who were ruled by a noble class, the Ibo people were not ruled by monarchs. They had no kings, nor queens. The Ibo people were their own authority. Here in the song, this concept is presented as Ibo Granmoun, meaning the Ibos take orders from no one. The Ibo people were ruled by a parliament called Igwe. This body was comprised of elders nominated from each lakou, the Haitian term for an extended family compound. As a result of this ancient Ibo democratic government, today there is a popular expression among the Ibo people of modern day Nigeria: Ibo ama eze, which means the Ibos are their own authority. Across the Atlantic, Ibo ama eze has been translated into Creole as Ibo granmoun. So intolerant were the Ibo people of taking orders, that Ibo victims of enslavement in Haiti and throughout the Americas had a higher suicide rate than other Africans. This high suicide rate is remembered in the Vodou expression Ibo touye tèt li. In the United States there is a region called Ibo Landing in Georgia which is thought to have been a place where a group of Ibo people committed suicide rather than be enslaved. Among the many Ibo influences present in Haiti, perhaps the most enduring is the Ibo passion for self-determination. That passion helped to fuel our fore-parents efforts to combat slavery. As their descendants, we continue to honor the Ibo and all the other nations who fought to create a more democratic Haiti. No Africans in Haiti were willingly enslaved and people of all African nations rebelled against slavery. Nonetheless, because of the Ibo passion for democracy, they became the group most associated with rebellion against slavery. As such, in Haiti, when we honor the memory of Ibo Ancestors we commonly perform dance movements symbolic of their breaking the chains of enslavement. In Haiti, this rebellious way of dancing is called the Ibo dance. Other Ibo influences in Haitian culture are numerous and include the term sou for community banking and the use of M as a short form for mwen (me). Although the Ibo people are remembered throughout Haiti, most of the world knows the Ibo people through the writings of the internationally acclaimed writer, the late, Chinua Achebe. His book, Things Fall Apart, is the most widely read modern African book in the world. His success is just another way of showing Ibo granmoun. http://www.bookmanlit.com/ibogranmouno.html 3 Likes |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by Nobody: 6:50am On May 04, 2015 |
bigfrancis21: yea. bt ur attitude towards others is annoying, jst imagine d igbos in Delta, warri call us lazy lot, or fools, some even call us dirty, hw do u expect us to feel, in our own land ? I luv d Igbos, and any other tribe, bt there attitude towards. us non Igbo is bad, am nt speaking for myself any SS man can confirm wat I jst said, Some igbos will say Urhobo has no origin, jst imagine hw silly is that. and u expect us to respect or form alliance with u, ?, even as in 1 Nigeria u guys re treating us lyk this I wonder if u own Nigeria hw una go treat us pass.. pls talk to ur people, Pls Respect our own, don't always think U re d king others. re nothing #sad 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by Nobody: 6:52am On May 04, 2015 |
ezeagu:lolz, then Goodluck |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by Nobody: 6:55am On May 04, 2015 |
illiad: illiad a beg leave me alone Ooo, shuo, u don attack me 4 tat Ofoni thread nw u 1 attack me 4 here na wa Ooo, y do u 8 Urhobo so much |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by Nobody: 6:57am On May 04, 2015 |
tyrannysucks: oh sorry, was jst annoyed, gonna correct tat SORY Bro |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by Nobody: 6:58am On May 04, 2015 |
TheReborn:lolz, babe which state u from ? |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by OneNaira6: 7:00am On May 04, 2015 |
OgagaMic: OMFG your attention seeking is f2king RIDICULOUS!!!!! Dude go get a life or better yet find a hobby. Stop looking for attention from igbo people. We no semd you. In almost EVERYSINGLE thread about igbos as of late, I see your post everywhere whining about some BS and shouting urhobo everywhere even when noone called, mentioned or send you. Like nigg@ STOP with the attention seeking!!!! No f2king body gives a flying f2k about you or whatever the he11 you keep whining about. Like seriously, stop invading every single igbo thread you can find to butt yourself and urhobo into the conversation. Like Wtf? #annoying as hell 3 Likes |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by bigfrancis21: 7:02am On May 04, 2015 |
OgagaMic: If certain people call you names you don't like, then you prove them wrong by being opposite of that they call you. As they say, there is no smoke without a fire. Look inside of you and do some soul searching for the truth. Sometimes, we fail to perceive ourselves in relation to others and it is through others that we come to know our outwardly attitude. That's all I have to say. 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by bigfrancis21: 7:04am On May 04, 2015 |
OneNaira6: Is that what he has been doing? Invading every single Igbo thread to butt urhobo into the conversation? Lol. 1 Like |
Re: Igbo Ideograms On Grave Stones In Virginia, US by Ihuomadinihu: 7:12am On May 04, 2015 |
quimicababes:He/she wrote that Igbo is spoken in the caribbeans. On the other hand,i wrote that caribbeans also draw their ancestory from Igbo slaves. I have no problems if you feel a kinship with Yorubas,but you make it sound like Igbos did not contribute to your heritage. Modern carribbeans may have taken an interest in yoruba traditions but they have ancestry from different parts of sub saharan Africa including a decent igbo ancestry. 1 Like |
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