Uyi168:
Yea,its a religion of piss

Henrypraise41:
There still real muslim that kept there doctrine to the core but its like 20% out of hundreds, for that people label them as trouble makers

WhoBeThisMan:

Does that mean islam teaches violence?

Ifeann:


Qur'an (33:50)-"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"
Qur'an (23:5-6)-"..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." •This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves.
Qur'an (4:24)-"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." •Even sex with married slaves is permissible.
Qur'an (8:69)-"But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" •A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part

Quran 8:39. "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do."


Qur’an 8:12— Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”

Qur’an 9:73—O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.”


Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

Bukhari 2:24: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

And what of this infamous narration from your authentic sources;
Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."
Tabari VIII:40 "The Messenger of God commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence."

There are over 100 verses in the quran that command Muslims to fight non Muslims but fortunately most Muslims don't take it serious.

tayebest:


What is this one saying?
Are you till talkinq about war?

“If anyone slays a person, it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.” (Qur'an 5:32)

hendrixxx:
people can criticize christianity without this type of backlash. there seems to be insecurity among Muslims with regard to Muhammad that they feel the need to be overprotective of his reputation.perhaps something to do with his marrying the young aisha and consumating the marriage by the time she was nine, Mohamed was in his fifties. or perhaps something to do with sanctioning the murder of 600 jews. he also recanted on some of his verses stating he had bin taken in by Satan who dictated to him.
the best way of selling a lie is to wrap of a certain amount of truth
my opinion thou

Ifeann:


The first time a Muslim friend quoted this verse, I liked it instantly and it was heartwarming. Then I decided to look for myself and behold it was a text without context;


From Qu'ran 5:32, “...If anyone slays a person, it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people.”


The Fuller context says;

Qu'ran 5:32-34, "On that account: Therefore we prescribed for the Children of Israel that who so slays a soul not to retaliate for a soul slain, nor for corruption done in the land, shall be as if he had slain mankind altogether; and who so gives life to a soul, shall be as if he has given life to mankind altogether. Our Messengers have already come to them with the clear signs; then many of them thereafter commit excesses in the earth.
This is the recompense of those who fight against God and His Messenger, [\b]and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there:[/b] they shall be SLAUGHTERED, or CRUCIFIED, or their hands and feet shall alternately be STRUCK OFF; or they shall be banished from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement,
except for such as repent, before you have power over them. So know you that God is All-forgiving, All-compassionate."

This is indicated by the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) about the man who stole a garment from the war booty, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “By the One in Whose hand is my soul, the garment that he took from the booty on the day of Khaybar when it had not yet been shared out is burning him with fire.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (4234) and Muslim (115).

Ifeann:


Qur'an (33:50)-"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee"
Qur'an (23:5-6)-"..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." •This verse permits the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves.
Qur'an (4:24)-"And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess." •Even sex with married slaves is permissible.
Qur'an (8:69)-"But (now) enjoy what ye took in war, lawful and good" •A reference to war booty, of which slaves were a part

Quran 8:39. "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do."


Qur’an 8:12— Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.”

Qur’an 9:73—O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination.”


Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."

Bukhari 2:24: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."

And what of this infamous narration from your authentic sources;
Tabari VIII:35/Ishaq:464 "The Jews were made to come down, and Allah's Messenger imprisoned them. Then the Prophet went out into the marketplace of Medina (it is still its marketplace today), and he had trenches dug in it. He sent for the Jewish men and had them beheaded in those trenches. They were brought out to him in batches. They numbered 800 to 900 boys and men."
Tabari VIII:40 "The Messenger of God commanded that furrows should be dug in the ground for the Qurayza. Then he sat down. Ali and Zubayr began cutting off their heads in his presence."

There are over 100 verses in the quran that command Muslims to fight non Muslims but fortunately most Muslims don't take it serious.

tayebest:
RUBBISH

WhoBeThisMan:

Don't just say "rubbish" bring forth your strong points and arguments why what he said is not correct

WhoBeThisMan:


If what this guy says is true, then there is no peace in this religion at all. I need a Muslim to come out and defend this statements pls

tayebest:
RUBBISH

tayebest:


From bible;

Genesis 12:1-3
1 The LORD had said to Abram, "Leave your country, your people and your father's household and go to the land I will show you.
2 "I will make you into a great nation and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.
3 I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you."


The quote "go to the land I will show you" is referring To the city of Paran (Mecca).

The quote "I will make you into a great nation" is quite interesting. How can GOD Almighty call the Muslims, who came from Ishmael, a "great nation" if they are as the modern Christians of today consider them to be "Satan's followers"? How can we be a "great nation" in the eyes of GOD Almighty if we are hated by Him?





ISLAM MY DEEN

tayebest:


Haters

"Say: 'Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message). (Quran, 24:54)"

If you like

WhoBeThisMan:


The question I asked is not of Islam is a great nation or not. The guy I quoted above made and strong points quoting from your quoran how Islam supports and encourages violence.

My question is, is what he said and quoted true or faulse? If faulse I want you to give me prof.

Thank you

tayebest:


Haters

"Say: 'Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger: but if ye turn away, he is only responsible for the duty placed on him and ye for that placed on you. If ye obey him, ye shall be on right guidance. The Messenger's duty is only to preach the clear (Message). (Quran, 24:54)"

If you like

WhoBeThisMan:
Just this morning I came across this tread:

https://www.nairaland.com/2292538/anti-mohammed-cartoon-shootings-america

What came to my mind was "another one again!!!".

What is the justification for this? So what if I draw a picture of Mohamed? What if it is blasphemy to you, but not to me, is that enough to provoke somebody to shed blood?

I really want to know. I see Muslims as my brothers and sisters, there is nothing they will ever do that would make me provoked to the point of shedding blood.

I need to know, why is there so much violence associated with Muslims? But I understand that Islam means peace.

I don't say these to spite anyone, I just really want to know.

WhoBeThisMan:
I don't intend to insult any one

onetrack:


I like how Muslims like to claim that Christians 'associate' Jesus with God when you are required to do the same thing in this verse:

"But [I have for you] only notification from Allah , and His messages. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger - then indeed, for him is the fire of Hell; they will abide therein forever" (s72 v 23)

This verse shows that there is no meaningful difference between God and Muhammad. They are the same.

onetrack:


I like how Muslims like to claim that Christians 'associate' Jesus with God when you are required to do the same thing in this verse:

"But [I have for you] only notification from Allah , and His messages. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger - then indeed, for him is the fire of Hell; they will abide therein forever" (s72 v 23)

This verse shows that there is no meaningful difference between God and Muhammad. They are the same.

Abuamam:


I only respond to your question because you claim that 'you really want to know'.

Think of Muslims as a body made up of many millions of individuals. We are united by; along with our Quran and Qibla; a love of our prophet (saw) that transcends the love we have, even for our fathers and mothers.

Now walk into any group of ten people, and on a daily basis, draw sexually explicit pictures of their parents, ridicule their parents and call them names. I am willing to wager that one day, one of those ten people, is going to make you regret your decision. Now do it to 1.8billion people; their response will be on a proportional scale.

Islam is a religion of peace, not in the sense that if you slap a Muslim, he will foolishly turn the other cheek; but in the sense that Muslims do not go looking for trouble. Leave a Muslim, he will likely leave you. Bully him incessantly, and when his forbearance runs out, you may not like his reaction; because we Muslims stand up for ourselves and for each other.

Note that the above is psychology, not extracted from the tenets of Islam. Is the purpose of the men that you cited, Islamic? Who can say? The prophet (saw) took a lot of personal abuse from the unbelievers of Makkah, and forgave them, even when his army took over Makkah; and all his former abusers were there... he let them go. He only reacted when the unbelievers sought to undermine belief in the message he delivered from God. Therefore, their decision is based on their own understanding of what should be the proper reaction to the cartoons. Rather than blame Islam as a religion, perhaps one should blame human nature for trying to avenge an insult to a beloved figure, as you would defend your father, if some ill-mannered touts insisted on abusing him in your presence... or wouldn't you?

WhoBeThisMan:


But if someone should draw a cartoon picture of my father or even verbally insult my father, that didn't mean I should kill him

Abuamam:


YOU may not... the first or second time he does it. But can you vouch for everyone in your family? Are you sure your brother wouldn't if he had the chance? Or your cousin? People are of different temperament. Are you sure of retaining your calm if he keeps doing it repeatedly, and publishing it in magazines?

WhoBeThisMan:

It still doesn't justify killing anybody. No matter what is done to the picture of the prophet, it didn't justify killing anybody.

Its now a question of what value you put on a life.
Let me paint you a picture;

Someone comes to your house, takes the picture of your dad and trow it in the mud, then your cousin comes out and attacks and kills that person because of the picture, it there really a justification for that?
That cousin is an animal and should face the full wroth of the law.

Abuamam:


You are looking at a one-off event. Also, taking his pix and throwing it in the mud is not the same as abusing your father, explicitly, verbally and publicly, on a REGULAR basis, worldwide. They are drawing provocative pictures. How would you like to see pictures purporting to be those of your naked father in perverted positions in a newspaper/ magazine? You are simplifying the event.

Let me ask you...

What purpose do these insulting cartoons have?

WhoBeThisMan:

By killing the person, does it make you a better man? I say no. It actually make you worse