https://youtu.be/Hd9nSPkbyVk
The head of the Joint Chiefs of Armed Forces of the United States commented lifting the ban on Russian deliveries of S-300 to Iran. According to Martin Dempsey, anti-aircraft missile complexes do not prevent America strike on Iranian nuclear facilities if necessary.


Recall that in early April, thanks to the newspaper The Wall Street Journal, it was reported that the US military at a secret test site in January tested the largest bunker bombs. As noted, such bomb is allegedly able to hurt anyone, even the most fortified nuclear facilities.

Victor Murakhovski, chief editor of "Arsenal of the Fatherland", " Till now no one experienced of overcoming air defense systems, manned S-300. As the experience of those who are faced with systems of this generation, for example, with the same system "Buk" (it's medium-range complex), the consequences can be very sad. Therefore, given that Iran already purchased from us near field complexes "Tor", which covered just nuclear facilities (in particular nuclear power plant, which Russia built), and given that they will receive the S-300, it will be united air defense system, which is extremely difficult to suppress or to break. I do not think the United States and General Dempsey dare to do such an operation, but if they do, then success of it will be under the question."

source: http://english.pravda.ru/video/28-04-2015/130411-s300-0/


"Ultra stealthy" B2 - Spirit of Missouri shot down by Serbs (Yugoslavia)




How did Serbs shoot down AV-8 with a 1960s Russian SAM? Never mind the ego and vanity of U.S Army. Question remains, how?

Serial numbers of B2s always begin with AV. Spirit of Missouri (B-2) which was brought down by Serb Air defense Unit had a Serial number AV-8 88-0329 , mark you we are not talking about F-117 herewe’re talking about B-2 that crashed in Bosnia 15 km from the Serbian border.

A Serb retired Generalsaid:"One American B-2A Spirit strategic stealth bomber (AV-8 88-0329 "Spirit of Missouri" was shot down on the 20th of May 1999 over Surcin at 01:00 local time. The formation was detected by long-wave early-warning radars.

During NATO bombing sorties in SERBIA bombers were required to reduce altitude and in order to attack its targets in Belgrade. One of the B-2As was hit by a SAM in the area of the cockpit and crashed shortly after. Crew was killed in the crash according to eyewitnesses."

Croatian newspapers printed about the plane being shot down and crash-landed in Croatia after it diverted to Tuzlaairport because it was damaged. It did not make it there it fell and the Croatian, Croatian military alongside with NATO forces cleaned a couple of square kilometers of soil to get all of the pieces of wreckage, the local newspaper that printed what happened was stopped by NATO and Croatia Military from selling the newspaper in the morning!!

B-2 was shot on the night it bombed the Chinese embassy. There has been people from Croatia that spoke on various forums to saying they saw B-2 falling and a lot more of them posted pictures of land after the clean up (middle of nowhere with the top soil missing) and picture of NATO troops and trucks going to Tuzla to retrieve B-2 wreckages.

American air force transport planes flew the wreck to Germany NATO base. To conceal their loses they named another plane the same name. Of course, U.S Army keeps on refuting that claim – they keep on saying it did not happen!!! Reason they are scared of the World knowing that a 30 year old Russian Missile that had been upgraded with a Serbian know how could easily shoot down a so-called invisible/Hi-Tech Plane.

International community shouldn’t be surprised by American refuting the whole story, just imagine Belgrade Air force Museum has on the display wreckages of f117, f16, A10 and other planes but U.S still maintains that only one plane was brought down by Serbs!!

The Russians have mastered the art of making surface to air missiles and if they sell the S-300 to countries like Iran and China, the US's strategic hold on the middle east will surely loosen.

pkjag:
The Russians have mastered the art of making surface to air missiles and if they sell the S-300 to countries like Iran and China, the US's strategic hold on the middle east will surely loosen.

I am a skeptic of this Russia/West cold war.

Russia is one of five countries that sat on one table to share world power amongst themselves after the so called world wars. Russia with the US were present and observers and even mediators in the scramble and partition of Africa.

I think the whole Russia aggression and counter aggression is stage managed to keep the world confused as to who the real oppressor is. It is not a coincidence that all cold war bloodshed battles happened every where else except in Russia, US or Europe.

These are all mischievous birds of the same feather. Only those who get sucked into their big stage managed fuss get hurt.

@ Poster, you are talking of the S300? wait until Iran recieve the S400 thats now going to China, and see what a game changer it would be.
As for the US, everybody knew they told lies, and there was a lot of cover up during their war with Serbia, and even Vietnam. It is a notorious fact that America hardly accept lossess, expecially when they are ''strategic'' or highly sensitive ones, as it is with the B2.

Russia's mastership in missile developments and capabilities is never in doubt. I dont want to start mentioning names, but the Isreali reaction to the shipping of the S300 to Iran, is enough to tell how extremely dangerous and strong deterrent it is to aerial threaths. Little wonder why Netanyahul specifically ptotested to Russia against selling it to Syria because, almost all of the Isreali air space would be covered by it.

And that is just for the S300, you have'nt talked about the S400 and S500 thats on its way out.

muafrika:
I am a skeptic of this Russia/West cold war.

Russia is one of five countries that sat on one table to share world power amongst themselves after the so called world wars. Russia with the US were present and observers and even mediators in the scramble and partition of Africa.

I think the whole Russia aggression and counter aggression is stage managed to keep the world confused as to who the real oppressor is. It is not a coincidence that all cold war bloodshed battles happened every where else except in Russia, US or Europe.

These are all mischievous birds of the same feather. Only those who get sucked into their big stage managed fuss get hurt.

how can USA be present in the sharing and partitioning of africa? You are talking about the berlin conference here. Hosted by otto von Bismarck who is know as the blood and steel chancelour. The Berlin conference was held in 19th century. A period when some parts of the US were still under colonial domination. No! The US did not join anybody to partition colonial africa.

overhypedsteve:
how can USA be present in the sharing and partitioning of africa? You are talking about the berlin conference here. Hosted by otto von Bismarck who is know as the blood and steel chancelour. The Berlin conference was held in 19th century. A period when some parts of the US were still under colonial domination. No! The US did not join anybody to partition colonial africa.

www.africafederation.net/Berlin_1885.htm



At the time of the conference, 80% of Africa remained under Native Traditional and local control.
Fourteen countries were represented by a plethora of ambassadors when the conference opened in Berlin on November 15, 1884 by the imperial chancellor and architect of the German Empire, Otto von Bismarck to settle the political partitioning of Africa. Bismarck wanted not only to expand German spheres of influence in Africa but also to play off Germany's colonial rivals against one another to the Germans' advantage. The countries represented at the time included Austria-Hungary, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Great Britain, Italy, the Netherlands, Portugal, Russia, Spain, Sweden-Norway (unified from 1814-1905), Turkey, and the United States of America. Of these fourteen nations, France, Germany, Great Britain, and Portugal were the major players in the conference, controlling most of colonial Africa at the time.

And this is the agreement that came off the Berlin conference, which those raw material, mineral and power hungry nations ↑↑↑cosigned...



[b]The Berlin Conference:
The General Act of Feb. 26, 1885
Chap. I [relating to the Kongo River Basin and adjacent territories]
I. The trade of all nations shall enjoy complete freedom
II. All flags, without distinction of nationality, shall have free access to the whole of the coast-line of the territories . . .
III. Goods of whatever origin, imported into these regions, under whatsoever flag, by sea or river, or overland, shall be subject to no other taxes than such as may be levied as fair compensation for expenditure in the interests of trade . . .
IV. Merchandise imported into these regions shall remain free from import and transit duties [subject to review after 20 years]
V. No power which exercises or shall exercise sovereign rights in the . . regions shall be allowed to grant therein a monopoly or favour of any kind in matters of trade...
VI. All the powers exercising sovereign rights or influence in the aforesaid territories bind themselves to watch over the preservation of the native tribes, and to care for the improvement of the conditions of their moral and material well-being and to help in suppressing slavery, and especially the Slave Trade. They shall, without distinction of creed or nation, protect and favour all religious, scientific, or charitable institutions and undertakings created and organized for the above ends, or which aim at instructing the natives and bringing home to them the blessings of civilization.
Christian missionaries, scientists, and explorers, with their followers, property, and collections, shall likewise be the objects of especial protection.
Freedom of conscience and religious toleration are expressly guaranteed to the natives, no less than to subjects and to foreigners . . .
Chap. II Documents relative to the Slave Trade
IX. ............the Powers which do or shall exercise sovereign rights or influence in the territories forming the .. basin of the Congo declare that these territories may not serve as a market or means of transit for the trade in slaves, of whatever race they may be. Each of the Powers binds itself to employ all the means at its disposal for putting an end to this trade and for punishing those who engage in it.
Chap. IV Act of Navigation for the Kongo
XIII. The navigation of the Kongo, without excepting any of its branches or outlets, is, and shall remain, free for the merchant ships of all nations equally . . . the subjects and flags of all nations shall in all respects be treated on a footing of perfect equality . . . no exclusive privilege of navigation will be conceded to Companies, Corporations, or private persons whatsoever . . .
Chap. V Act of Navigation for the Niger.
XXVI. The navigation of the (River) Niger, without excepting any of its branches and outlets, is and shall remain entirely free for the merchant ships of all nations equally . . .[both Britain and France which had parts of the region of the Niger under protectorate status also undertook to apply the principle of free trade in their territories]
Chap. VI [Regarding new occupations on the coasts of Africa]
XXXIV. Any power which henceforth takes possession of a tract of land on the coasts of the African Continent outside of its present possessions, or which, being hitherto without such possessions, shall acquire them and assume a protectorate. . . shall accompany either act with a notification thereof, addressed to the other Signatory Powers of the present Act, in order to enable them to protest against the same if there exists any grounds for their doing so.
XXXV. The Signatory Powers of the present Act recognize the obligation to insure the establishment of authority in the regions occupied by them on the coasts of the African Continent sufficient to protect existing rights, and, as the case may be, freedom of trade and of transit under the conditions aggreed upon.
XXXVII. The Powers signatory to the present general Act reserve to themselves the right of eventually, by mutual agreement, introducing therein modifications or improvements the utility of which has been shown by experience ......................................
Done at Berlin, the 26th day of February, 1885.[/b]

Appleyard:
@ Poster, you are talking of the S300? wait until Iran recieve the S400 thats now going to China, and see what a game changer it would be.
As for the US, everybody knew they told lies, and there was a lot of cover up during their war with Serbia, and even Vietnam. It is a notorious fact that America hardly accept lossess, expecially when they are ''strategic'' or highly sensitive ones, as it is with the B2.
Russia's mastership in missile developments and capabilities is never in doubt. I dont want to start mentioning names, but the Isreali reaction to the shipping of the S300 to Iran, is enough to tell how extremely dangerous and strong deterrent it is to aerial threaths. Little wonder why Netanyahul specifically ptotested to Russia against selling it to Syria because, almost all of the Isreali air space would be covered by it.
And that is just for the S300, you have'nt talked about the S400 and S500 thats on its way out.

I heard that the Israeli are able to destroy the S-300 in Syria, about Serbia there are lots of conspiracy theories on that story, so who will emerge the real middle east power, Iran, Israel or Saudi Arabia?

muafrika:
And this is the agreement that came off the Berlin conference, which those raw material, mineral and power hungry nations ↑↑↑cosigned...
[b]The Berlin Conference:
The General Act of Feb. 26, 1885
Chap. I [relating to the Kongo River Basin and adjacent territories]
I. The trade of all nations shall enjoy complete freedom
II. All flags, without distinction of nationality, shall have free access to the whole of the coast-line of the territories . . .
III. Goods of whatever origin, imported into these regions, under whatsoever flag, by sea or river, or overland, shall be subject to no other taxes than such as may be levied as fair compensation for expenditure in the interests of trade . . .
IV. Merchandise imported into these regions shall remain free from import and transit duties [subject to review after 20 years]
V. No power which exercises or shall exercise sovereign rights in the . . regions shall be allowed to grant therein a monopoly or favour of any kind in matters of trade...
VI. All the powers exercising sovereign rights or influence in the aforesaid territories bind themselves to watch over the preservation of the native tribes, and to care for the improvement of the conditions of their moral and material well-being and to help in suppressing slavery, and especially the Slave Trade. They shall, without distinction of creed or nation, protect and favour all religious, scientific, or charitable institutions and undertakings created and organized for the above ends, or which aim at instructing the natives and bringing home to them the blessings of civilization.
Christian missionaries, scientists, and explorers, with their followers, property, and collections, shall likewise be the objects of especial protection.
Freedom of conscience and religious toleration are expressly guaranteed to the natives, no less than to subjects and to foreigners . . .
Chap. II Documents relative to the Slave Trade
IX. ............the Powers which do or shall exercise sovereign rights or influence in the territories forming the .. basin of the Congo declare that these territories may not serve as a market or means of transit for the trade in slaves, of whatever race they may be. Each of the Powers binds itself to employ all the means at its disposal for putting an end to this trade and for punishing those who engage in it.
Chap. IV Act of Navigation for the Kongo
XIII. The navigation of the Kongo, without excepting any of its branches or outlets, is, and shall remain, free for the merchant ships of all nations equally . . . the subjects and flags of all nations shall in all respects be treated on a footing of perfect equality . . . no exclusive privilege of navigation will be conceded to Companies, Corporations, or private persons whatsoever . . .
Chap. V Act of Navigation for the Niger.
XXVI. The navigation of the (River) Niger, without excepting any of its branches and outlets, is and shall remain entirely free for the merchant ships of all nations equally . . .[both Britain and France which had parts of the region of the Niger under protectorate status also undertook to apply the principle of free trade in their territories]
Chap. VI [Regarding new occupations on the coasts of Africa]
XXXIV. Any power which henceforth takes possession of a tract of land on the coasts of the African Continent outside of its present possessions, or which, being hitherto without such possessions, shall acquire them and assume a protectorate. . . shall accompany either act with a notification thereof, addressed to the other Signatory Powers of the present Act, in order to enable them to protest against the same if there exists any grounds for their doing so.
XXXV. The Signatory Powers of the present Act recognize the obligation to insure the establishment of authority in the regions occupied by them on the coasts of the African Continent sufficient to protect existing rights, and, as the case may be, freedom of trade and of transit under the conditions aggreed upon.
XXXVII. The Powers signatory to the present general Act reserve to themselves the right of eventually, by mutual agreement, introducing therein modifications or improvements the utility of which has been shown by experience ......................................
Done at Berlin, the 26th day of February, 1885.[/b]

I never knew Zaire (DRC) was a personal colony of King Leopold of Belgium, the guy killed millions of people, raided resources for his personal fortune (not for Belgium) and they have the nerve to erect a monument in his honour, the guy was a terrorist and the current turmoil in the country is partly due to his legacy, the territory wasn't effectively managed like other colonial protectorates.

pkjag:

I never knew Zaire (DRC) was a personal colony of King Leopold of Belgium, the guy killed millions of people, raided resources for his personal fortune (not for Belgium) and they have the nerve to erect a monument in his honour, the guy was a terrorist and the current turmoil in the country is partly due to his legacy, the territory wasn't effectively managed like other colonial protectorates.

I find the relation between the so called Francophone countries and their colonial masters disturbing. At least we the nicknamed Anglo phones only do the colonial master thing in private. And that unending Congo conflict. You follow the money and it will end in the volts of the same people it always has since colonialism.

@poster:

what a joke!!!

Those S300s are capable systems, but they have never seen a real combat before. But forget that or a second. The truth is, If Iran has 10,000 S-500s, it wouldn't deter a determined foe like the US military. If the US actually determines to strike at Iran, it has the means to do so without impunity, S300s or not. Forget the US military, even Israel has the means to take these systems out.

bookface:

@poster:

what a joke!!!

Those S300s are capable systems, but they have never seen a real combat before. But forget that or a second. The truth is, If Iran has 10,000 S-500s, it wouldn't deter a determined foe like the US military. If the US actually determines to strike at Iran, it has the means to do so without impunity, S300s or not. Forget the US military, even Israel has the means to take these systems out.

So how will USAF or Israeli Airforce take out the S300 should they plan to attack Iran? i want to know your opinion from a military perspective.
That said, Neither US nor Israel will bomb Iran anyway. If that was on the table, It would have been done a long time ago.

Yevgeny:



So how will USAF or Israeli Airforce take out the S300 should they plan to attack Iran? i want to know your opinion from a military perspective.
That said, Neither US nor Israel will bomb Iran anyway. If that was on the table, It would have been done a long time ago.

Easy

1) Brute force. Each Arleigh Burke-class destroyer easily carries well over 90 tomahawks, all of which can be rapidly fired- the systems can be overwhelmed by three of these ships firing from a safe distance.

2)The systems can be jammed or tricked. - Since it hasn't been combat tested, its performance under such a scenario cannot be guaranteed.

3) Advanced Capabilities - JSOW, MALD, HARM etc have been proven to be combat effective against SAMs. Israel used something similar to JSOW in Syria about two years ago. Note that Syria also have advanced SAMs but nothing as effective as the S300s.

Finally, just take out the political context and ask yourself - If Iran did pose an immediate existential threat to the United States, and the United States took the decision to strike at Iran, can Iran really defend itself with S300s? Iran can use these systems to brag at home and maybe become a little bolder - but it knows that even hundreds of these wouldn't deter against the might of a determined US military. Saddam Hussein once had one of the world's largest armed forces (certainly the largest in the middle east). These army was crushed within a month when faced with the coalition forces.

The S300s is an old technology, military planners in the US are probably already considering combat scenarios that involve far more complex systems that these.

bookface:


Easy

1) Brute force. Each Arleigh Burke-class destroyer easily carries well over 90 tomahawks, all of which can be rapidly fired- the systems can be overwhelmed by three of these ships firing from a safe distance.

2)The systems can be jammed or tricked. - Since it hasn't been combat tested, its performance under such a scenario cannot be guaranteed.

3) Advanced Capabilities - JSOW, MALD, HARM etc have been proven to be combat effective against SAMs. Israel used something similar to JSOW in Syria about two years ago. Note that Syria also have advanced SAMs but nothing as effective as the S300s.

Finally, just take out the political context and ask yourself - If Iran did pose an immediate existential threat to the United States, and the United States took the decision to strike at Iran, can Iran really defend itself with S300s? Iran can use these systems to brag at home and maybe become a little bolder - but it knows that even hundreds of these wouldn't deter against the might of a determined US military. Saddam Hussein once had one of the world's largest armed forces (certainly the largest in the middle east). These army was crushed within a month when faced with the coalition forces.

The S300s is an old technology, military planners in the US are probably already considering combat scenarios that involve far more complex systems that these.

Do you know that electronic reconnaissance ships can give you early warning of cruise missile launches hours ahead? and the time the missiles are in the air, or hey to their location the will he hitting duds and it will just be a waste.

How will it be jammed and tricked? You point 2 AND 3 are the same. But do u know that JSOW and Malds etc have to be deployed from a plane most times a transport plane very close to the combat area? and can only be effective against a country without Awacs or good radar to see it miles away a technology the Iranians have?


The idea of getting the SAMs is not to defeat America or Israel but to make any bombing mission ineffective. The combat range of those sams cant even cover half of Iran and the will just place them at their coast, nuclear facilities or nuclear research area. That way, America and the Israelis military will conclude that trying to take out the nuclear facilities will be costly or ineffective and only an all out war will solve the Iranian problem (A risk Israel is not willing to take since there are too many Iran's proxies around them).

Many Americans or pro Americans are quick to mention the Iraqis as prove of America's military brilliance but they forget that most of the top Iraqi generals were bribed and did not fight (Why did you think they rioted weeks later when the Americans failed to deliver their own part of the agreement and pay them for laying down their arms?), Iraq was under sanctions and had poor equipment and the soldiers are not well trained. Most of them were even trained and left behind by the US only for them to flee and take of their uniforms when ISIS was on the way. The last time the US fought a real war against someone that really fought back was Korea/Vietnam. and even with the overwhelming firepower and technology superiority over 50,000 body bags came back home in each conflict. Unlike the Arabs, in a full scale war, the Persians will fight back and America and Israel seems to have realize this and are now only interested in extending Iran's breakout capacity instead of attacking it.

Yevgeny:

Do you know that electronic reconnaissance ships can give you early warning of cruise missile launches hours ahead? and the time the missiles are in the air, or hey to their location the will he hitting duds and it will just be a waste.
How will it be jammed and tricked? You point 2 AND 3 are the same. But do u know that JSOW and Malds etc have to be deployed from a plane most times a transport plane very close to the combat area? and can only be effective against a country without Awacs or good radar to see it miles away a technology the Iranians have?
The idea of getting the SAMs is not to defeat America or Israel but to make any bombing mission ineffective. The combat range of those sams cant even cover half of Iran and the will just place them at their coast, nuclear facilities or nuclear research area. That way, America and the Israelis military will conclude that trying to take out the nuclear facilities will be costly or ineffective and only an all out war will solve the Iranian problem (A risk Israel is not willing to take since there are too many Iran's proxies around them).
Many Americans or pro Americans are quick to mention the Iraqis as prove of America's military brilliance but they forget that most of the top Iraqi generals were bribed and did not fight (Why did you think they rioted weeks later when the Americans failed to deliver their own part of the agreement and pay them for laying down their arms?), Iraq was under sanctions and had poor equipment and the soldiers are not well trained. Most of them were even trained and left behind by the US only for them to flee and take of their uniforms when ISIS was on the way. The last time the US fought a real war against someone that really fought back was Korea/Vietnam. and even with the overwhelming firepower and technology superiority over 50,000 body bags came back home in each conflict. Unlike the Arabs, in a full scale war, the Persians will fight back and America and Israel seems to have realize this and are now only interested in extending Iran's breakout capacity instead of attacking it.

The US have never fought a real conventional war, they use unconventional tactics, toppling governments, instituting regime changes, funding/arming terrorists/guerrilla rebels and bullying lesser militarily equipped countries to do their bidding and even then they've not won any war in a long time, vietman, iraq, somali come to mind. The iranians are acquiring the more advanced S-400 and S-500, so the US and Israel will likely lose their middle east strategic position to China or Iran, Putin is making sure of that. Let's wait and see if a republican will become president, they are known for starting wars they can't win, maybe they'll finally decide to invade Syria and Iraq, but it'll be too late.

pkjag:

The US have never fought a real conventional war, they use unconventional tactics, toppling governments, instituting regime changes, funding/arming terrorists/guerrilla rebels and bullying lesser militarily equipped countries to do their bidding and even then they've not won any war in a long time, vietman, iraq, somali come to mind. The iranians are acquiring the more advanced S-400 and S-500, so the US and Israel will likely lose their middle east strategic position to China or Iran, Putin is making sure of that. Let's wait and see if a republican will become president, they are known for starting wars they can't win, maybe they'll finally decide to invade Syria and Iraq, but it'll be too late.

checkout what lockheed martins has for even the next to come s-500

pkjag:

The US have never fought a real conventional war, they use unconventional tactics, toppling governments, instituting regime changes, funding/arming terrorists/guerrilla rebels and bullying lesser militarily equipped countries to do their bidding and even then they've not won any war in a long time, vietman, iraq, somali come to mind. The iranians are acquiring the more advanced S-400 and S-500, so the US and Israel will likely lose their middle east strategic position to China or Iran, Putin is making sure of that. Let's wait and see if a republican will become president, they are known for starting wars they can't win, maybe they'll finally decide to invade Syria and Iraq, but it'll be too late.

I think they are getting the older s300

pkjag:

I heard that the Israeli are able to destroy the S-300 in Syria, about Serbia there are lots of conspiracy theories on that story, so who will emerge the real middle east power, Iran, Israel or Saudi Arabia?

The S300 was not officialy stated to have been transferred by sale or whatever to the Assad regime. Hence, i doubt the veracity of Isreal taken them out, cause, they were'nt there at the first place.

I know that Russia has been covertly supporting the Syrian regime with some high level weaponry, but not with the S300. Its not something that you can hide from satelite or public view.
I might be wrong though

That said, i honestly believe that Isreal has the capability to deal with such threat, afterall, they are the ''sons of the convenat,'' and who can make war against God's elect and completely prevail? (i speak after the manner of spiritualism and the cosmic order.)

but the truth is, in warfare, aerial attack and defense capability is always difficult to achieve or curtail exclusively, on either side, expecially when both foes are on an equal or almost on equal footing.
Thus, achieving it or taking it out is not as simple as you may think. Both sides of the coin understand this very well, and that is why this or that side is either complaining here and there, when such is the case.

In reality, the underlying fact is that, Such high level capability and its subsequent counter capability, always served as a major or limited deterrence.

On the issue on which side will emerge as the Real Middle East Power, one must admit the reality that is on the ground.

You mentioned Iran, Isreal and Saudi Arabia. Of course, Syria is out of the equation here, and is rightly so because, for a nation to project the status of 'Real Power,' it should be able to boast of a fledging economy and a chanllenging military might. These syria use to have, but that is far gone now. No thanks to the unending civil war that has totally destroyed and crippled the nation.

As for Iran, it is still bleeding from the effect of sanctions owing to its nuclear program, and this has so much stiffled any meaningful economic growth. Though its military is fairly capable compare to Iraq, Lebanon, Syria and even Saudi Arabia, but it still cannot project much power or influence within or accross the Middle East, since it lack the means in cut-edge technology and a low-go-post in the economic front.. Again, all due to heavy sanctions.

Saudi Arabia is a toothless bull dog. Apart from a seemingly undrying pits of Black Gold, the main stay of their economy, they have nothing else to offer. Forget what is happening now in Yemen. On a very good day, the Saudis can't compete militarily with regional players like Iran, Syria, or Iraq.
The only ground on which they can raise their stakes comperatively higher than the rest in the Middle East, is in the economic arena, and that too is subject to some limitation, in the sense that it is a one-product ecomic nation.

Thus, why the Saudis can project power in the economic front (for it can chose to affect the global supply and price of crude oil, by way of supply itself, negetively or positively, thus affecting the global economy,) it can do little or nothing militarily to assert itself as the regional power base.

Thus leaving us with one option- THE JEWS! The ones who controls most banks of the world. They that controls Wall Street. Wherever they are, they prosper. Financially, they are strong. They are intelligent. Militarily, they have it good, as far as the Middle East is concerned. Whether we like it or not, they are THE SUPER POWER OF THE MIDDLE EAST!

As Satanic as they tend o be in their dealings with other nations, expecially in the Middle East, being found as leaders of top ranking occultism, grandmasters of terrorism and false flag scenarios, chief bankers of the satanic banksters, and whatever you might want to classify them to be, The fact remain that Isreal is the major power in the Middle East, and wolud remain so till the end of days.

'' I WILL MAKE JERUSALEM A STUBBLING BLOCK AND A ROCK OF OFFENCE TO ALL NATIONS ''...... (KJV)

though we all have our rewards..but..

Whom God has bless.....

If you have the answer..

Yevgeny:

I think they are getting the older s300

Oh that's China, but i could see Iran also getting the later s-300 and s-400s.

illitrate:

checkout what lockheed martins has for even the next to come s-500

Before they're battle-tested they amount to nothing, that's what the US made us believe about the B2, please provide the sources.

Appleyard:

The S300 was not officialy stated to have been transferred by sale or whatever to the Assad regime. Hence, i doubt the veracity of Isreal taken them out, cause, they were'nt there at the first place.
I know that Russia has been covertly supporting the Syrian regime with some high level weaponry, but not with the S300. Its not something that you can hide from satelite or public view.
I might be wrong though
That said, i honestly believe that Isreal has the capability to deal with such threat, afterall, they are the ''sons of the convenat,'' and who can make war against God's elect and completely prevail? (i speak after the manner of spiritualism and the cosmic order.)
but the truth is, in warfare, aerial attack and defense capability is always difficult to achieve or curtail exclusively, on either side, expecially when both foes are on an equal or almost on equal footing.
Thus, achieving it or taking it out is not as simple as you may think. Both sides of the coin understand this very well, and that is why this or that side is either complaining here and there, when such is the case.
In reality, the underlying fact is that, Such high level capability and its subsequent counter capability, always served as a major or limited deterrence.
On the issue on which side will emerge as the Real Middle East Power, one must admit the reality that is on the ground.
You mentioned Iran, Isreal and Saudi Arabia. Of course, Syria is out of the equation here, and is rightly so because, for a nation to project the status of 'Real Power,' it should be able to boast of a fledging economy and a chanllenging military might. These syria use to have, but that is far gone now. No thanks to the unending civil war that has totally destroyed and crippled the nation.
As for Iran, it is still bleeding from the effect of sanctions owing to its nuclear program, and this has so much stiffled any meaningful economic growth. Though its military is fairly capable compare to Iraq, Lebanon, Syria and even Saudi Arabia, but it still cannot project much power or influence within or accross the Middle East, since it lack the means in cut-edge technology and a low-go-post in the economic front.. Again, all due to heavy sanctions.
Saudi Arabia is a toothless bull dog. Apart from a seemingly undrying pits of Black Gold, the main stay of their economy, they have nothing else to offer. Forget what is happening now in Yemen. On a very good day, the Saudis can't compete militarily with regional players like Iran, Syria, or Iraq.
The only ground on which they can raise their stakes comperatively higher than the rest in the Middle East, is in the economic arena, and that too is subject to some limitation, in the sense that it is a one-product ecomic nation.
Thus, why the Saudis can project power in the economic front (for it can chose to affect the global supply and price of crude oil, by way of supply itself, negetively or positively, thus affecting the global economy,) it can do little or nothing militarily to assert itself as the regional power base.
Thus leaving us with one option- THE JEWS! The ones who controls most banks of the world. They that controls Wall Street. Wherever they are, they prosper. Financially, they are strong. They are intelligent. Militarily, they have it good, as far as the Middle East is concerned. Whether we like it or not, they are THE SUPER POWER OF THE MIDDLE EAST!
As Satanic as they tend o be in their dealings with other nations, expecially in the Middle East, being found as leaders of top ranking occultism, grandmasters of terrorism and false flag scenarios, chief bankers of the satanic banksters, and whatever you might want to classify them to be, The fact remain that Isreal is the major power in the Middle East, and wolud remain so till the end of days.
'' I WILL MAKE JERUSALEM A STUBBLING BLOCK AND A ROCK OF OFFENCE TO ALL NATIONS ''...... (KJV)
though we all have our rewards..but..
Whom God has bless.....
If you have the answer..

I've never really understood how exactly the jews are different from the rest of the white people from europe, how do you know a jew conservative or not. Do they have specific names because you can't tell them by looks alone especially in the US. And these jews who "control" the US, are they the typical jews from israel with a hebrew accent or are they just immigrants from europe who got americanized and lost their accent. If they're so powerful why didn't they prevent Iran from getting a nuclear deal despite an outrage from Netanyahu seeing that they "control" Obama . Are these just conspiracy theories

Yevgeny:


Do you know that electronic reconnaissance ships can give you early warning of cruise missile launches hours ahead? and the time the missiles are in the air, or hey to their location the will he hitting duds and it will just be a waste.

How will it be jammed and tricked? You point 2 AND 3 are the same. But do u know that JSOW and Malds etc have to be deployed from a plane most times a transport plane very close to the combat area? and can only be effective against a country without Awacs or good radar to see it miles away a technology the Iranians have?


The idea of getting the SAMs is not to defeat America or Israel but to make any bombing mission ineffective. The combat range of those sams cant even cover half of Iran and the will just place them at their coast, nuclear facilities or nuclear research area. That way, America and the Israelis military will conclude that trying to take out the nuclear facilities will be costly or ineffective and only an all out war will solve the Iranian problem (A risk Israel is not willing to take since there are too many Iran's proxies around them).

Many Americans or pro Americans are quick to mention the Iraqis as prove of America's military brilliance but they forget that most of the top Iraqi generals were bribed and did not fight (Why did you think they rioted weeks later when the Americans failed to deliver their own part of the agreement and pay them for laying down their arms?), Iraq was under sanctions and had poor equipment and the soldiers are not well trained. Most of them were even trained and left behind by the US only for them to flee and take of their uniforms when ISIS was on the way. The last time the US fought a real war against someone that really fought back was Korea/Vietnam. and even with the overwhelming firepower and technology superiority over 50,000 body bags came back home in each conflict. Unlike the Arabs, in a full scale war, the Persians will fight back and America and Israel seems to have realize this and are now only interested in extending Iran's breakout capacity instead of attacking it.

- Your point seem to be contradicting itself - if Iran had several hours of warning (which will be very unlikely) of incoming cruise missiles targeted against its SAM sites, would it try to move the SAMS out of the way? And if so, of what use are the SAMs?

- Do you understand how the tomahawk works? You don't just move targets out of the way of an incoming cruise missile. Those things are designed to constantly update the location of their targets while in flight, they were designed to hit even a fast moving target.

- let's assume that Iran chooses to destroy incoming cruise missiles with missiles fired from its S300 systems, how many cruise missiles can it defend against? 100? 200? 300?....On march 19 2011, the US fired 112 tomahawks against Libya in a single night from a single ship. Make that 4 ships and explain to me how Iran could defend against that.

-Under such a brute force scenario, it is unlikely that only the SAMs will be targeted, Iran's command and control structure will come under attack. It will be a combination of cyber, psychological and direct brute military force. There will be so much chaos, Iranian military commanders will struggle between striking back and defending their positions. The reason why i cited Iraq was very apt. Although the US persuaded top generals from fighting, it was the Shock and Awe that crippled fighting morale. How do you deal with 600 missiles flying through your airspace with each of them carrying 300 pounds of bombs?

-- You make a point about a good radar seeing an aircraft miles away, this is true. But the moment the radar spots the aircraft, the radar will immediately give away its own location and it will become a target. So a simple strategy could involve flying a couple of drones into an enemy airspace, map out its radar emissions, and then take them out with joint stand off weapons. Without the radar, the missiles are useless.

-- No one denies that taking out the nuclear sites will be costly. But they CAN be done. A simple test case is - can the russians take out the s300s if a potential enemy fielded their own technology? If the answer is NO, then Russia wouldn't have sold the technology to anyone. If the answer is yes, then if Russia can take it out, so also can the US, France, Britain, Israel...etc. It is an effective weapon but it is nothing revolutionary. It has not been combat tested, so no one can say for sure how it will perform in a real scenario.

pkjag:

I've never really understood how exactly the jews are different from the rest of the white people from europe, how do you know a jew conservative or not. Do they have specific names because you can't tell them by looks alone especially in the US. And these jews who "control" the US, are they the typical jews from israel with a hebrew accent or are they just immigrants from europe who got americanized and lost their accent. If they're so powerful why didn't they prevent Iran from getting a nuclear deal despite an outrage from Netanyahu seeing that they "control" Obama . Are these just conspiracy theories

They are not condpiracy theories. And moreover, the Iranian issue is a very delicate one, which if not carefully approach, could lead to World War 3. Make no mistake about that!

However, The origin and concept of the Jews is always subject to debate upon debate. Some say the Real Jews are the Black Americans and Latin Americans. Other says they are Caucausians, brown, of negroid origin and so on.. Their existence and actual origin and migration viz the Real Jews, is always a subject of controversy.

You may wana read these up for further understanding:

http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=60

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_zion34.htm

However it may seem, one thing is very certain, and it is that, THERE ARE REAL JEWS AND NON REAL JEWS.

In Revelation 2 vs 9, Jesus Himself stated this fact, not just once, but twice; also in Revelation 3 vs 9.

What it means is that there are those who are calling themselves Jews, are today identified as Jews, whereas, they are not Jews by the Original bloodline.

These sect of Jews are today refered to as the ''Khazars Jews,'' held to be descendants from turky or so. The Real Jews are the ''Semitic Jews,'' which are suppose to be living in the homeland today.

In terms of Identification, i will not buy into the idea of bodily features and tonations, because humans tend to evolve over time as they become expose to other places, mixed up with others, the food we eat, and as well, changes and variations in weather and climate, can alter the real physical nature of people.

Thus, i would rather identify them by their actions as it relates to the word of God concerning the times we are living now, as well as the prophecies that pertaineth to them..

Take for instance, the rebuilding of the temple as prophesied in the book of Daniel.. Right now, there is a group in Isreal that has taken it upon itself that the Solomon's temle must be rebuild, even though the place the Temple is to be erected, is been occupied by the Mosque of Oman, for which the Book of Daniel refered to as the ''abomination that maketh desolate.''
such people can be regarded as the Real Jews who can only bring to pass the promised word of God concerning them.

Nevertheless, extensive reading on your part would help in identification. But one thing is sure, NOT ALL JEWS TODAY ARE ACTUALLY JEWS!