chuna1985:


U can claim all u like. we know the truth.

tonychristopher:


Who will tell me the meaning of
Oshodi
Lekki
Idumagbon
Idumota
Eko


This question is for yorubas.


I will want to ascertain the no man land status of lagos

I think Benin owns lagos first

cutediva87:
proudly olukumi from ukwu nzu abosede

whitecat1:
Oshodi is a family name.

Lekki = Swamp

Idumagbo = Ram/Agbo station(someone just told me this right now)

Idumota = Imota annex, Imota town in the outskirt of the state

Eko/Erekosu = Island

If Benin have the gut let them come and point to one thing that remotely looks theirs in Lagos. The only thing we have with them is there are some Yoruba people cut in to Edo when states were created other than our son ruling over them as their first Oba!

Yoruba colonized benin, if not, you won't be seeing Edo people bear Yoruba name. You will never find a Yoruba with benin name, never!

NigerMan1:


absoluteSuccess - Whenever history is brought to the table you Yorubas find it difficult to bring scholarship to the table. True educated and knowledeable HISTORIANS do not recourse to insults and abuse to defend their points.

First did you read that story very well? Tell me the truth - is there anywhere you read (or heard) any of your so-called Yoruba Historians alluded to the fact that people from present day Yorubland are domiciled in present day Delta, via old Benin? Am sure you did not! Why? Because they carefully kept such historical truth from you guys, so they can continue to deceive you - about the lies called "YORUBA"

Again I asked you: "Have you ever accepted the fact that some of your so-called kinsmen are domiciled in Niger Delta? And remember all those places were once under the ruler-ship of the Oba of Benin"

Now this story came out, 100s of Yorubas read it and extremely FEW commented with tongues in your chic, while majority carefully passed off, without commenting. Even you, absoluteSuccess did not comment directly on this historical fact, but instead attacked one of my points!

For me, a story like this has shown that most part of Yoruba History are lies and fables. And I hope you will lesson your boastfulness and grandstanding. I hope your historians will not one day, coupled up lies that those towns are "yorubaland"

NOTE: Stop deceiving yourself, Yoruba is not one. The word/term Yoruba was a mid 19th century appellation to group you guys together. This is a fact of history, well recorded so no one can change it.

hotwax:


Guy thats what they teach you in school. Arabs teach their children "They are the owner of Jerusalem", it doesnt mean Arabs own Jerusalem. Everyone teach history from a favourable perspective, it doesnt mean its true.

Yorubas are Yorubas, Oduduwa is not from Benin, Okanbi is not from Benin. We only have few things in common. The only cultural similaries can be seen in Ile-Ife alone. Because Ife son becomes Oba of Benin, so he went there with Ife costumes.

Have you seen core Yoruba cultures? Its nothing of Benin. No similarities, are a different set of people, very unique.

The IFA, the talking drum, Kijipa e.t.c....we are too big to come from that small benin. Ofcourse we had political marriages.

Its like Fulani people claiming Yorubas are descendant of Fulanis. Because we have intermarried and live together in Ilorin...Thats just political influence...Ilorin is not the source of Yorubas....

Get that into your skull

whitecat1:
Oshodi is a family name.

Lekki = Swamp

Idumagbo = Ram/Agbo station(someone just told me this right now)

Idumota = Imota annex, Imota town in the outskirt of the state

Eko/Erekosu = Island

If Benin have the gut let them come and point to one thing that remotely looks theirs in Lagos. The only thing we have with them is there are some Yoruba people cut in to Edo when states were created other than our son ruling over them as their first Oba!

Yoruba colonized benin, if not, you won't be seeing Edo people bear Yoruba name. You will never find a Yoruba with benin name, never!

kalakuta100:
nobody that is not a Benin prince trained in the arts and traditions of Benin can rule the great land of igodomigodo... Please look at history and talk like some a someone educated.. This your story is half baked this is the real gist .The exiled Prince Ekaladerhan who was not known in Yoruba land, somehow earned the title of Oni Ile-fe Izoduwa which is now corrupt to yoruba language as Ooni (Oghene) of Ile-Ife Oduduwa and refused to return, then sent his son Oranmiyan to become king. Prince Oranmiyan took up his abode in the palace built for him at Usama by the elders (now a coronation shrine). Soon after his arrival he married a beautiful lady, Erinmwinde, daughter of Osa-nego, was the ninth Enogie (Duke) of Ego, by whom he had a son. After some years residence here he called a meeting of the people and renounced his office, remarking that the country was a land of vexation, Ile-Ibinu (by which name the country was afterward known) and that only a child born, trained and educated in the arts and mysteries of the land could reign over the people. He caused his son born to him by Erinmwinde to be made King in his place, and returned to Yoruba land Ile-Ife. After some years in Ife, he left for Oyo, where he also left a son behind on leaving the place, and his son Ajaka ultimately became the first Alafin of Oyoof the present line, while Oranmiyan himself was reigning as Oni of Ife. Therefore, Oranmiyan of Ife, the father of Eweka I, the Obaof Benin, was also the father of Ajaka, the first Alafin of Oyo. Oni of Ife and Alafe of Oyo is a Bini spoken language all the Kings title in Southerner are Edo Language. In Nigeria Edo has the greatest and rich culture and most influence in West Africa and powerful King in Nigeria.

hotwax:


Now let me finish you off with your scam history. This is a cue from wikipedia. If wikipedia is wrong, you can take your case up with them. You benin people and Igbo always want to claim to own Yoruba land. And this corrupt and scamming attitude will be met with stiff resistance. Fulanis want to claim Yoruba land, Igbo, Now Benin tomorrow who knows if its Ijaw. Now read the following and shut up.....
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Oduduwa, Olofin Adimula, Emperor and First Suzerain of the Yoruba, was the Oba of Ile-Ife. His name, phonetically written by Yoruba language-speakers as Odùduwà and sometimes contracted as Odudua or Oòdua, is generally ascribed to the ancestral dynasty of Yorubaland due to the fact that he is held by the Yoruba to have been the ancestor of their numerous crowned kings.[1] Following his post-humous deification, he was admitted to the Yoruba pantheon as an aspect of a primordial divinity of the same name. Fulanis too will come up with their history about how they own Yoruba land.

Oral history of the Oyo-Yoruba recounts the coming of the Oba Oduduwa from the east, sometimes understood by some sources as the "vicinity" of Mecca, but more likely signifying the region of Ekiti and Okun sub-communities in northeastern Yorubaland/central Nigeria. Ekiti is near the confluence of the Niger and Benue rivers, and is where the Yoruba language is presumed to have separated from related ethno-linguistic groupings like Igala, Igbo, and Edo.[3]

When Oduduwa arrived ancient Ife, he and his group are believed to have conquered the component communities and to have evolved the palace structure with its effective centralized power and dynasty. Going by the tribal records, he is commonly referred to as the first Ooni of Ife and progenitor of the Yoruba people.

Some oral traditions claim that Oduduwa was Olodumare's favourite orisha, and as such was sent from heaven to create the earth.

There is much controversy concerning him and his place in the Yoruba pantheon, and consensus on the subject is as elusive as it is with any other "creation myth". However, the Ife are known for telling the following story:

A certain number of divinities were to accomplish the task of helping earth develop its crust. On one of these visits Obatala, the King of White Clothes, took to the stage equipped with a mollusk that held in its shell some form of soil; two winged beasts and some cloth like material. Having made palm wine from the palm trees he caused to grow after shaping the planet, he began to drink ; soon falling into a drunken stupor, he was unable to accomplish the task he was originally given. Olodumare then sent Oduduwa to save what was left of the mission.

When Oduduwa found the Obatala in a "tipsy" state, he simply took over and completed the tasks. The place which he leaped onto from the heavens and which he redeemed from the water to become land was named Ile-Ife and is now considered the sacred and spiritual heart of Yorubaland.

Due to this experience, Obatala is said to have subsequently made it a taboo for any of his devotees to drink palm wine.

Forgiven by Olodumare, he was later given the responsibility of molding the physical bodies of human beings; the making of land in this story is said to be a symbolic reference to the founding of the Yoruba kingdoms, and this is why Oduduwa is credited with the achievement.[4]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oduduwa

kalakuta100:
see how you have fooled yourself so the ife kingdom existed before the bini kingdom abi

kalakuta100:
nobody that is not a Benin prince trained in the arts and traditions of Benin can rule the great land of igodomigodo... Please look at history and talk like some a someone educated.. This your story is half baked this is the real gist .The exiled Prince Ekaladerhan who was not known in Yoruba land, somehow earned the title of Oni Ile-fe Izoduwa which is now corrupt to yoruba language as Ooni (Oghene) of Ile-Ife Oduduwa and refused to return, then sent his son Oranmiyan to become king. Prince Oranmiyan took up his abode in the palace built for him at Usama by the elders (now a coronation shrine). Soon after his arrival he married a beautiful lady, Erinmwinde, daughter of Osa-nego, was the ninth Enogie (Duke) of Ego, by whom he had a son. After some years residence here he called a meeting of the people and renounced his office, remarking that the country was a land of vexation, Ile-Ibinu (by which name the country was afterward known) and that only a child born, trained and educated in the arts and mysteries of the land could reign over the people. He caused his son born to him by Erinmwinde to be made King in his place, and returned to Yoruba land Ile-Ife. After some years in Ife, he left for Oyo, where he also left a son behind on leaving the place, [s]and his son Ajaka ultimately became the first Alafin of Oyo of the present line[/s], while Oranmiyan himself was reigning as Oni of Ife. Therefore, Oranmiyan of Ife, the father of Eweka I, the Obaof Benin, was also the father of Ajaka, the first Alafin of Oyo. Oni of Ife and Alafe of Oyo is a Bini spoken language all the Kings title in Southerner are Edo Language. In Nigeria Edo has the greatest and rich culture and most influence in West Africa and powerful King in Nigeria.

hotwax:


Take your case to Wikipedia..

stinggy:


Get this well.
Oranmiyan left Bini to meet another son of his father on the throne of Ife, a son that wasn't even born when he and his 6 brothers were around - Ooni. He was given birth to by a slave and not the same mother that gave birth to the 'other 7'.
Oranmiyan felt betrayed because he had been promised he would succeed his father Oduduwa and only accepted to rule Bini for a short while. But after he left the Ife palace, all of his brothers left too, each settling down in his own kingdom. Ooni was the only one available to cater for Oduduwa and that was why Oduduwa made it his dying wish that Ooni succeeds him. He left in anger and founded Oyo-ile (not the present Oyo, but the present day Igboho) as the first Alaafin, note:- Ajaka was never the first Alaafin.

Oranmiyan is the link between Oyo and Benin kingdom and that's why Binis claim to have closer ties with Oyo than Ife, having been ruled by the same Oranmiyan.

whitecat1:
Oshodi is a family name.

Lekki = Swamp

Idumagbo = Ram/Agbo station(someone just told me this right now)

Idumota = Imota annex, Imota town in the outskirt of the state

Eko/Erekosu = Island

If Benin have the gut let them come and point to one thing that remotely looks theirs in Lagos. The only thing we have with them is there are some Yoruba people cut in to Edo when states were created other than our son ruling over them as their first Oba!

Yoruba colonized benin, if not, you won't be seeing Edo people bear Yoruba name. You will never find a Yoruba with benin name, never!

kalakuta100:
wrong so oranmiyan left bini and founded another kingdom oyo-ile... That's a terrible lie not even told well no oba left or leaves bini to form another kingdom especially not oranmiyan.

tonychristopher:


YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION

OSHODI IS A FAMILY NAME, WHAT IS THE MEANING


WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THE WORD IDU IN YORUBA

BRAET THEM DOWN


THEN WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THE WORD

LEKI

IKOYI


I AM WAITING FOR ANY PURE YORUBA THAT CAN PICK UP THE CHALLENGE PLS



THIS WILL PUT THE LAGOS NO MAN LAND AT REST

whitecat1:
Oshodi is a family name.

Lekki = Swamp

Idumagbo = Ram/Agbo station(someone just told me this right now)

Idumota = Imota annex, Imota town in the outskirt of the state

Eko/Erekosu = Island

If Benin have the gut let them come and point to one thing that remotely looks theirs in Lagos. The only thing we have with them is there are some Yoruba people cut in to Edo when states were created other than our son ruling over them as their first Oba!

Yoruba colonized benin, if not, you won't be seeing Edo people bear Yoruba name. You will never find a Yoruba with benin name, never!

stinggy:


That's why you should always read wide. He left because of the 'ibinu'(anger) in Bini people when he couldn't take it again, with the aim of taking up Ife stool but to his dismay, it has been occupied, so he had to leave again to set up his own kingdom.

You can read more from Prince Akenzua's reply to Ooni:
http://www.edoworld.net/We_know_Benin_history_dont_write_it_for_us_Prince_Akenzua.html

tonychristopher:
I SERVED IN EDO AND BENIN CITY PROPER, I HAVE NEVER HEARS ANY BENIN MAN BEAR YORUBA NAME, OR IS OSAS AND IVIE YORUBA NAMES, THESE ARE POPULAR EDO NAMES....WHEN I MEN EDO I MEAN PURE EDOS LIKE BENINS AND ESANS


I HAVE NEVER SEEN THEM BEAR YORUBA NAMES, MAYBE LECTURE ME HOW THEY COLONIZED YORUBA OR HOW YORUBA COLONIZED THEM AND HOW COME IDU IS IN YORUBA LAND AND NO ILE IN BENIN LAND

whitecat1:
Oshodi is a family name.

Lekki = Swamp

Idumagbo = Ram/Agbo station(someone just told me this right now)

Idumota = Imota annex, Imota town in the outskirt of the state

Eko/Erekosu = Island

If Benin have the gut let them come and point to one thing that remotely looks theirs in Lagos. The only thing we have with them is there are some Yoruba people cut in to Edo when states were created other than our son ruling over them as their first Oba!

Yoruba colonized benin, if not, you won't be seeing Edo people bear Yoruba name. You will never find a Yoruba with benin name, never!

tonychristopher:


YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED THE QUESTION

OSHODI IS A FAMILY NAME, WHAT IS THE MEANING


WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THE WORD IDU IN YORUBA

BRAET THEM DOWN


THEN WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THE WORD

LEKI

IKOYI


I AM WAITING FOR ANY PURE YORUBA THAT CAN PICK UP THE CHALLENGE PLS



THIS WILL PUT THE LAGOS NO MAN LAND AT REST

hotwax:


The link was written by your fellow benin.

www.edoworld.net
We_know_Benin_history_dont_write_it_for_us

So no validity and credibility... Remeber, Muslims claim Jesus christ was a muslim, Jewish/christian claimed he was not. People write history to lay claim of what its not theirs. Benin are not the first people.

hotwax:


Why are benin bearing the name "Akin"? Is Akin a benin name too ? Do you know the meaning of Akin ?

stinggy:


To answer your question..

The Aworis were the first settlers of Lagos. At the time, the influence of Benin kingdom was very strong.
The Awori didn't treat Bini representatives well during trade, when the Oba heard this, he sent emisarries who were attacked by the Aworis. The angered Oba now sent his son - Ado, with an army to demand an explanation from the Aworis, but he was surprisingly well-received and even asked to be their leader. Oba agreed to this and later sent some chiefs to assist Ado in running Eko.
Ado was responsible for naming of the areas of Eko, that's why they bear bini names.

hotwax:
Why I am engaging in this arguments is not because I hate benin. Of all Ethnics in Nigeria, I like Benin. I have family members married to them.

I am from Ile-Ife, we have many cultural/traditions that are the same as Benin. Ife culture is like Benin. Atimes Ife doesnt look Like Yoruba,

Artifact, Cultural items, dressing is more of Benin...

I am just arguing to set the record straight.

Benin history did not take cognizance of Oduduwa. Any history that separate Oduduwa and his seven sons from Yoruba is totally wrong and scam.

Oduduwa is Yoruba. Rewrite your history to have Odudwa in it. We will accept that

tonychristopher:
so directly or indirectely Benin colonised yoruba and i still need to know the meaning of the words I said

words like Idumagbo
Idumota
Eko
Lekki
Oniru
Oshodi

and many more, I am in lagos and I have asked many yorubas these none can give me the real answer

Left for me the true owners of lagos are the Edos and Aworis

And Aworis have made it clear that they aint yoruba

So I am trying to know the truth of LAGOS AS A NO MAN LAND...from historical and archeological fact, it seems that the notion is true cos I cant see any pointer that Yorubas own LAGOS

NigerMan1:


Ilekeh - there is nothing like Yorubas are everywhere!

The major problem is that most of you calling yourself Yoruba today do not understand or lack knowledge about the ORIGIN of the term/word "Yoruba" and when?why it was used to group different ethnic people in the mid 19th Century.

Here is the true origin of those people:

At the time the Great Benin Kingdom was ruling a vast part of Southern Nigeria, down to Lagos, and part of present day Middle Belt, including present day part of Cameroon and Benin Republic, slave raiding were always carried out by the Benin Warriors.

Those Yorubas were a combination of the Benin slaves and others who later fled from the incessant slave raiding and hide in the Bush. With time, they settled in their present abode.

NOTE: When you see Yoruba speaking people anywhere, as indigene, the right question you should ask is: How did they got there? Most of you guys engage in chest-beating because you do not have wider knowledge of the olden days. In the olden days, there was NO Yoruba as you have it today.

stinggy:


Wrong! You wouldn't say true owners of Nigeria are the Brits because they colonized us at a time, would you?
Aworis are the owners, and are part of the larger Yoruba tribe, only few misguided ones will refute this.

tonychristopher:
so directly or indirectely Benin colonised yoruba and i still need to know the meaning of the words I said

words like Idumagbo
Idumota
Eko
Lekki
Oniru
Oshodi

and many more, I am in lagos and I have asked many yorubas these none can give me the real answer

Left for me the true owners of lagos are the Edos and Aworis

And Aworis have made it clear that they aint yoruba

So I am trying to know the truth of LAGOS AS A NO MAN LAND...from historical and archeological fact, it seems that the notion is true cos I cant see any pointer that Yorubas own LAGOS

tonychristopher:
YOU MISSED IT BRO..ODUDUWA was a benin prince that went on exile, bro have you forgotten that yorubas said that oduduwa fell from sky and then parachute wasnt invented, so it makes that story fable and fit for nursery school kids, then a different account said that they met oduduwa in the bush, then the question is where is he coming from that he was wandering in the bush



HAVE YOU PEOPLE ASKED YOURSELF WHO WAS ODUDUWA PARENTS, ATLEAST HE WAS A HUMAN SOMEBODY MUST HAVE GIVEN BIRTH TO HI, WHERE DID HE COME FROM AND HOW WAS HIS CHILDHOOD...NOT THAT ODUDUWA WAS YORUBA..HAVE you ever done a research on that dude and know that Yorubas have been sold dummy


I think Oduduwa was a Benin prince with archeological and historical facts