Kurganets IFV

Boomerang IFV with a 30mm cannon

T-14 tank

Henry120:
Kurganets IFV

Boomerang IFV with a 30mm cannon

T-14 tank

Do you have any specs on what the ballistic protection of the Kurganets and Boomerang is like.

jln115:

Do you have any specs on what the ballistic protection of the Kurganets and Boomerang is like.

Specifications are generally not out.

patches689:


They have seen pictures and footage from the parade preparations for weeks now.

Auto-loader is old news, been around since the 1970's.

Crew-capsule is nothing special.

Anti-ATGM is not impressive, every major country has a system that is in the porcess of being introduced, hell even South Africa has a system. Whether or not the Russian system is actually operational is the question

K2 Black Panther, Type 10 can do the same.

Fact is, there is not enough info on the tanks to make any such claims yet.

As it stands, the title for best tank in the world is shared by the K2 Black Panther, Leo2 Revolution and Chally 2

Based on what is currently known, the T-14 is the best Tank in the world.

Leo2A, K2 and chally 2 are behind it.

Henry120:


Specifications are generally not out.

Ok cool, will be interesting to see how their armour stacks up to that of Western products.

patches689:


Problem is, the Russians are going to be focusing so hard on their own production that orders are going to be very hard to get.

The T-14 is going to replace 2,225 T-72s, 1,400 T80s... so for a long time allmost all production cabailities the russians have will be dedicated to the feilding of significant numbers of the T-14.

Same with the Kurgnets - it will have to replace 2509 BMP-1 and BMP-2.

While the Boomerang, the most promising in terms of how well it can sell, has the biggest production, and wheeled APC's are where the Russians have their most obsolete equipment and they are the systems that see the most use - 2 725 units.

Exactly. That's why I said foreign deliveries would begin in 10-15 years time, with India, venezuela, Algeria and Azerbaijan leading the pack.

The Kurganets is not a BMP-T.

BTR-82A's are very impressive IFV's. They'll most probably serve with the Boomerang and Kurganets in active service.

Henry120:


Based on what is currently known, the T-14 is the best Tank in the world.

Leo2A, K2 and chally 2 are behind it.

Didn't you JUST say specifications are generally not out yet?

Im not saying its impossible that it could be the best tank in the world, but to make such a conclusion with almost 0 specifications is a little bit preposterous don't you think?

jln115:

Ok cool, will be interesting to see how their armour stacks up to that of Western products.

We'll have to wait and see.

Henry120:


Based on what is currently known, the T-14 is the best Tank in the world.

Leo2A, K2 and chally 2 are behind it.

I will ask again.

What evidence do you have to support this ludicrous claim?

Its capabilities are nothing special and are in service with multiple pre-existing tanks, its protection unknown, its FCS is unknown, its gun and projectile types are unknown, its performance is unknown, everything apart from what it looks like and general capabilities are unknown.

This is just another example of your mindless obsession with Russian equipment. You say its the best because it is Russian, that is all.

Henry120:


Exactly. That's why I said foreign deliveries would begin in 10-15 years time, with India, venezuela, Algeria and Azerbaijan leading the pack.

The Kurganets is not a BMP-T.

BTR-82A's are very impressive IFV's. They'll most probably serve with the Boomerang and Kurganets in active service.

I never said the Kurganets was a BMP-T

Boomerang was created to phase out all existing wheeled IFV's.

jln115:

Didn't you JUST say specifications are generally not out yet?

Im not saying its impossible that it could be the best tank in the world, but to make such a conclusion with almost 0 specifications is a little bit preposterous don't you think?

Yeah, generally, but tit-bits of info have always been in the open. From the bits I've read, it is very promising. Besides, that was my personal opinion.

Henry120:


Yeah, generally, but tit-bits of info have always been in the open. From the bits I've read, it is very promising. Besides, that was my personal opinion.

From what you outlined the Russians have just released a tank that has the same capabilities as other MBT's that have been in service for years.

Its only really unique feature is the unmanned turret.

Henry120:


Yeah, generally, but tit-bits of info have always been in the open. From the bits I've read, it is very promising. Besides, that was my personal opinion.

Jap, but making claims like that it would be recommended to say that that's your own personal opinion, because it sounded like you were claiming it to be fact.

patches689:


I will ask again.

What evidence do you have to support this ludicrous claim?

Its capabilities are nothing special and are in service with multiple pre-existing tanks, its protection unknown, its FCS is unknown, its gun and projectile types are unknown, its performance is unknown, everything apart from what it looks like and general capabilities are unknown.

This is just another example of your mindless obsession with Russian equipment. You say its the best because it is Russian, that is all.

Isn't my conviction enough? My gut feeling.

Some of it's known capabilities can be found in tank A or Tank B or Tank C. The T-14 brings in all of them into a single Platform. This is why it's so bada$s.

jln115:

Jap, but making claims like that it would be recommended to say that that's your own personal opinion, because it sounded like you were claiming it to be fact.

I mean, what the fvck is "jap"?

Like I said it's general characteristics aren't yet known, and some of my comments are my opinion.

Henry120:


I mean, what the fvck is "jap"?

Like I said it's general characteristics aren't yet known, and some of my comments are my opinion.

Jap is South African slang for yes.

And yes you told me it was your opinion, i was just pointing out that saying it was your opinion in earlier posts wouldve avoided any miscommunication.

MikeCZAR:
Show us 7 F-7s in the air Augubugubu!

Nigerian airforce is world renowned for having most of its aircraft grounded through lack of maintenance and funds. Show us more than 3 F7 in the air

Show me source that F-7 jets ever had shortage of pilots or went into storage like Gripen jets have double trouble

patches689:


Gripen fleet was never grounded or frozen

Defenceweb, your respected source says your government minister declared SAAF FROZE A DOZEN GRIPEN JETS IN ICE....

"Twelve of the South African Air Force’s 26 Gripen fighter jets are in long-term storage, according to defence minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, as the Air Force does not have the funding to fly them."

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29831:a-dozen-saaf-gripens-in-long-term-storage&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

Anointed Fraudster
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patches689:


Are you saying that is the official SAAF website?

Pictoral evidence proves SAAF has them

Pictoral evidence of Mokopa from DENEL laboratory existed since years ago when SAAF never ordered them.

Even Rooivalk photo shows the testing. Means produced by DENEL not purchased by SAAF.

Your poorly armed air force has NO SINGLE air to surface missiles.

I like the colours of those rubber duds you posted mounted on Rooivalk, never knew dud Mokopa is so nice at the air show marketing display
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patches689:


Unknown artical from unknown source providing nothing but opinion

Meanwhile, in reality,

South Korea to sign deal this month to buy 40 F-35 jets for $7 billion
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/24/us-southkorea-airforce-orders-idUSKCN0HJ0P620140924

Britain orders more F-35s as part of biggest-ever defence project
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/defence/11193756/Britain-orders-more-F-35s-as-part-of-biggest-ever-defence-project.html

Australia’s new Liberal Party government has announced that they’ll buy up to 58 F-35s, raising the RAAF’s approved fleet size to the 72 aircraft mentioned in the Labor Party’s May 2013 White Paper
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/australia-raises-their-f-35-commitment-023629/

And that excludes the multitude of other buyers.

F35 has been golden since day one... a project that has 3000 planned orders before it even gets in the air is a safe bet.

We have heard all these stories of sales for years.

No single F-35 is in full service anywhere in the world.....NOT even 1, then you talk about 3,000.....LOL....na you go pay for the jet?
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jln115:

So are the other 5 Gripens flying themselves?

The don't even fly at all.

jln115:

Why don't you quote the rest of my post village idi0t, specifically the part were I said the site is outdated!

Why don't you post a current source that says Mokopa has now been ordered. Mumu !

agaugust:


The don't even fly at all.

Wait .....What? Please explain how we can have 14 fighters operational but 5 of them are not operational?
As i said before, you lack common sens.

agaugust:


Why don't you post a current source that says Mokopa has now been ordered. Mumu !

SAAF paid more than half of the R& D, so they basically bought the Mokopa when they started developing it.

agaugust:


Pictoral evidence of Mokopa from DENEL laboratory existed since years ago when SAAF never ordered them.

Even Rooivalk photo shows the testing. Means produced by DENEL not purchased by SAAF.

Your poorly armed air force has NO SINGLE air to surface missiles.

I like the colours of those rubber duds you posted mounted on Rooivalk, never knew dud Mokopa is so nice at the air show marketing display
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"dud Mokopa is so nice at the air show marketing display"

Those Mokopas in the picture were never marketed at an air show mate!

jln115:

Wait .....What? Please explain how we can have 14 fighters operational but 5 of them are not operational?
As i said before, you lack common sens.

Can you explain how Nigeria has 11 F-7 and only 3 are operational....you have common sense?

jln115:

SAAF paid more than half of the R& D, so they basically bought the Mokopa when they started developing it.

That's how DENEL collapsed financially twice and needed government cash bail out. Nation of fools. Cannot run a company economically.

agaugust:


Can you explain how Nigeria has 11 F-7 and only 3 are operational....you have common sense?

Dude just because you have 11 F-7s doesnt mean all of them are operational, I have proved that we have 14 operational Gripens and 12 in Rotation, so yes you need 14 pilots to fly 14 plane, or am i wrong?

You on the other hand have yet to show that NAF has more than 3 operational F-7 fighters.

Ill say it again, you lack common sense.

agaugust:


That's how DENEL collapsed financially twice and needed government cash bail out. Nation of fools. Cannot run a company economically.

Jap and now its flourishing!!

jln115:

Jap is South African slang for yes.

And yes you told me it was your opinion, i was just pointing out that saying it was your opinion in earlier posts wouldve avoided any miscommunication.

"Jap", that's what you r3tards in soweto call yes........ unbelievable!!!!


I made that clear right from the start.

agaugust:


Show me source that F-7 jets ever had shortage of pilots or went into storage like Gripen jets have double trouble




Defenceweb, your respected source says your government minister declared SAAF FROZE A DOZEN GRIPEN JETS IN ICE....

"Twelve of the South African Air Force’s 26 Gripen fighter jets are in long-term storage, according to defence minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, as the Air Force does not have the funding to fly them."

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=29831:a-dozen-saaf-gripens-in-long-term-storage&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107

Anointed Fraudster
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Show us 7 F-7 in the air.

agaugust:


Why don't you post a current source that says Mokopa has now been ordered. Mumu !

Why don't you post a current source that says NAF has more than 3 pilots.

MikeCZAR:
Why don't you post a current source that says NAF has more than 3 pilots.

Can you post a source that says NAF has a pilot shortage?