nairaman66:
Just read the ethnic bigotry on this thread! You will understand why Nigeria was never meant to be one!

This pull down Sydrome should stop and let all embrace and show the power of love to each other!

sukkot:
so yorubas are benin ?

Wulfruna:
Am I the only one here who thinks Tonychristopher should stop already with his long copy-and-paste posts and his circuitous no-point arguments?

I respect the patience of the few folks here who have patiently and civilly been engaging him all this while.

NigerMan1:


nairaman66 - normally discourse that border on HISTORY should be pure academic and scholarly work, that all should enjoy. However the Yorubas has stripped this all important factors when our collective history is brought to the fore. They simply REJECT it forgetting that history is DIFFERENCE from Dogma.

They inadvertently CONCOCT stories for themselves and weaved others into it. And it's so bad when facts, figures and statistics are brought against their story, they kick and insult. Unfortunately, this trend has become part of their culture so much so that they applied this to even non-vital issues.

For example, do you remember that in the late 60s down to late 70s, the Yorubas used the media to spread several unsubstantiated stories such as they are the most EDUCATED groups in Nigeria? They are the first to study in the Universities? That they have more graduates, PhD and Professors?

It came to a head that Fani Kayode went national with this great LIES last year, which prompted many scholars to DISPEL those lies with HISTORICAL facts and dates. It was a big shame...

Omoluyi:

Who taught you history? ?

9jacrip:
I really would have loved to take on tonychristopher and kick some knowledge his way while decimating his fallacious claims but I have so much at hand right now.

I'll check back later but for quick knowledge:

1. Neither you and your link have answered my Q. Oranmiyan left yoruba impact on benin and eko, how come oduduwa did not leave any Igodomigodo mark on Ife, no matter how minute?

2. The Ooni dysnasty is from Lajamisan who was a son of Oranmiyan.

3. Your first post in response to mine stated art works of Ooni dating as far back as 11th Century yet your post to Olumide states that Ekalederhen supposedly got to Ife at 12th Century - how come figures of Ooni dating as far back as 11th C had been in existence before the Ekalederhen, the supposed founder of Ooniship got to Ife at 12th c? Did you read your posts at all?

4. The 12th C mentioned in your posts as Ekalederhen's contact and Ife growing into a city was rather the period the potsherd pavements of Ooni Luwo (female Ooni) was dated to and she was the 21st Ooni of Ife. This goes to show your Benin history posts are very fallacious.

5th. There was never any Benin empire link with Ghana, Togo and Dahomey as stated in your posts.

Let me stop here but before I go, it is apparent you're poor with history and also your twisted and anti Yoruba bigoted mind has rendered your killed your to discern between facts and errors.

I'll be back.

NigerMan1:


Omoluyi - my friend History is NOT a mystery that can be unraveled by sorcerers.

Most of our past, fortunately are recorded by the Europeans (Portuguese, French, English, Germans etc)
Many were recorded by Old kings, authorities and partners also in Africa such as the old Fulani Warriors and scholars. And the good news is that a great part of our history are still available in the ARCHIVES in these countries and beyond.

Once you become history researcher, I tell you, no man will ever cheat you again.

fineguy11:
ur article was insightful until it got to the point were u wrote some fulani men impregnated women from osun,oyo......wouldnt it have been better if u posted the original text,,research books etc that can confirm what u typed?

babyfaceafrica:
Some people keep complaining that a good number of Yoruba people are passing this thread after reading, am sorry I will rather pass thi spost than engage in intertribal exchhange with people...all I know is that. A lot of the history people are sharing have been distorted by people who pass them ...illiteracy really affected Africans...God help us

NigerMan1:


babyfaceafrica - it is not as bad as you think. Most of the African historical past were well recorded, both within and Internationally. A great deal of our past can be sourced from many European archives. For example, the Great Benin Empire and it's history were recorded since around 800-900 AD.

The reason you complain about was birthed by Yorubas - deliberate DISTORTION of history for tribal control of present day Yorubas for POLITICAL collateral.

They wrote and canvassed history as a vehicle of Ego tripping, while running others down. Then when you challenge their claims with facts, figures and statistics they start abusing or raining gutter languages at you.

Therefore, the Benin history is not distorted, even many Igbos are happy to trace their ancestry to other places and tribes. For example, many years ago, the Great Zik of Africa (Dr Nnamdi Azikwe) traced the Origin of the Onitsha people to Benin and gladly revealed this in his book. Some other eminent Igbos have the same. In other words, the Onitsha people have Benin ancestry but they are IGBO.

NigerMan1:


fineguy11 - sorry if you feel offended by that. I never intended to hurt anyone, not even when Yorubas were hurling insults at me, did I replied in kind.

However the truth remain what I wrote. Maybe I should say they married them and many of the Fulanis descendants are today Yorubas in the part of the country.

babyfaceafrica:
so in other words just because historical facts are documented ,I must belive them? Don't you know those sore called documented historical facts were passed orally cos you an I know literacy didn't start early in Nigeria? Now what of if these people distorted the information been passed down due to amnesia ? There is a limit to what you can remember? Another thing is that just because people don't have fact does not mean what they say is false. I did literature in higher institution and I know some of all these historical facts have different versions..the one you choose to belive is on you.let's us just accept we come from one source God and move on..history has its deficinecies...God bless

tonychristopher:
SO IN EFFECT WHAT AFRE YOU SAYING, TRYING TO DISPROVE BENIN VERSION FOR IFE VERSION

IF I WERE YOU, STUDY THEM OBJECTIVELY, DETACH YOUR EMOTION AND TRY FILL IN THE GAPS, i have seen the gaps but i will want you to fill em up bro

omokab:
you have time to answer nigerman1 don't you see pain and hatred in all his respond to the topic.Somebody said they migrated from owo in ondo state he was still arguing blindly,changing what he red to his own interest.I can't blame him,his people can't trace their origin.How they are speaking ibo is not traceable.His interest is how yorubas migrated from Benin. But his hatred could not allow him to ask the total population of yorubas in Benin compared to the entire yoruba people in only in the south west not to talk of other extension.The only culture they have is how to make money from event like wedding. Also he should tell us how is tribe is from jews.

emmatok:


Its surprising how IGBOS are trying to lecture Yorubas on their history.

Some even said that OYOs are the only real Yorubas.

NigerMan1:


babyfaceafrica - it is not as bad as you think. Most of the African historical past were well recorded, both within and Internationally. A great deal of our past can be sourced from many European archives. For example, the Great Benin Empire and it's history were recorded since around 800-900 AD.

The reason you complain about was birthed by Yorubas - deliberate DISTORTION of history for tribal control of present day Yorubas for POLITICAL collateral.

They wrote and canvassed history as a vehicle of Ego tripping, while running others down. Then when you challenge their claims with facts, figures and statistics they start abusing or raining gutter languages at you.

Therefore, the Benin history is not distorted, even many Igbos are happy to trace their ancestry to other places and tribes. For example, many years ago, the Great Zik of Africa (Dr Nnamdi Azikwe) traced the Origin of the Onitsha people to Benin and gladly revealed this in his book. Some other eminent Igbos have the same. In other words, the Onitsha people have Benin ancestry but they are IGBO.

babyfaceafrica:
if yyou don't mind send me the link..ok

Pero009:
Your analysis of Yoruba's origin is so vague and amorphous, you failed to pin down historical connectivity as in how your Benin kingdom influenced the migrations of Yoruba from one place to the other.

pazienza:


Onitsha are Igbos, whose Igbo ancestors once resided in Bini. Residing in Bini is not the same thing as having a Bini ancestry. A man with Ezechime as a name in Bini, can only have an Igbo ancestry.

tonychristopher:

Throwing more light, Akenzua said: “I also read in that interview by the Ooni that the Oba of Benin used to be buried in Ife. One will ask: Where do they get all that information? I was surprised when I heard that story in Benin here. The truth of it is that if there is anything out of it, it will be in difference to Ife, which was formally known as Uhe, where Ekaladerhan had lived and Ekaladerhan’s son who became the Oba here (Benin). It was only possible that they may like their body being interred in Uhe or Ife or wherever. But if the Ooni of Ife made reference to it, it does not prove anything. To us it does not prove that Benin is Yoruba or that Yoruba is Benin.”

On the story that the Benin people went to Ife to ask for a king, Akenzua asked, “How can a group of people you do not know before just come to you and demand for a king and you will just give your eldest son to them – to go to the land you don’t know to be their king? Simple reasoning will tell you that it is not true. So when they say that Oramiyan’s son was the first Ooni of Ife, I always ask them: Which one of them?”
Akenzua further dismissed the claim that modern Benin is trying to rewrite history. Describing the allegation as funny, he went on to say: “Tell them that they should stop mixing myth with reality. Benin also have their myth of creation. But when we talk about Ekaladerhan, we are not talking myth. We are talking about something that actually happened. As you will see in this book (raises a book entitled, Ekaladerhan), up to today there are stories and songs done in honour of Ekaladerhan here in Benin. There are villages named after him where he was to be killed. That village is still there for people to see.”

Following the reference to his generation of the Benin royal family court seeking to rewrite history, Akenzua, a London-trained linguist, psychologist and journalist, laughed. He alleged that the Ooni of Ife was quoted in an interview as saying that the present Oba of Benin holds an incorrect position in the tale of the Yoruba-Benin history while his predecessor, the late Oba Akenzua II presented a differing, correct account which the current generation is trying to put aside. The prince said that is not true. “For me, since he did not say the version of the account that is correct and the one that is not, we will not be too forward. But one would have expected that in discussing a situation like this, that would have been an appropriate time for him to come out with what he said Oba Akenzua said and the other statements that is not correct so that people can know which one is the truth. But according to this newspaper, Oba Akenzua made that statement when he was going to commission WADECO, a car company probably owned by the Ooni in Ife. My father was very happy that a new company is coming to Benin. It is very unlikely that my father will take that occasion and be talking about history of Yoruba and Benin. I have the privilege of being a private secretary to my father. I am aware that all the speeches he made everywhere, the records are available. So we are waiting. Whenever the Ooni publishes what my father said at a time, we will be able to relate it to what we have here. But until that is done, that statement by the Ooni will be looked into.”
www.google.ca/search?client=opera&q=oduduwa+the+benin+prince&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#q=oduduwa+the+benin+prince&start=20

http://www.edo-nation.net/erediauwa1.htm

tonychristopher:
The onitsha are ibo and Eze chime is an Igbo that Sojourned in Benin fell out with the locals came back


THE NAME EZE CHIMA IS AN IGBO NAME

Radoillo:


I do not even believe Eze Chime sojourned in Benin at any point, but at this stage this is still largely my personal opinion.

whitecat1:
Oshodi is a family name.

Lekki = Swamp

Idumagbo = Ram/Agbo station(someone just told me this right now)

Idumota = Imota annex, Imota town in the outskirt of the state

Eko/Erekosu = Island

If Benin have the gut let them come and point to one thing that remotely looks theirs in Lagos. The only thing we have with them is there are some Yoruba people cut in to Edo when states were created other than our son ruling over them as their first Oba!

Yoruba colonized benin, if not, you won't be seeing Edo people bear Yoruba name. You will never find a Yoruba with benin name, never!

hotwax:
Why I am engaging in this arguments is not because I hate benin. Of all Ethnics in Nigeria, I like Benin. I have family members married to them.

I am from Ile-Ife, we have many cultural/traditions that are the same as Benin. Ife culture is like Benin. Atimes Ife doesnt look Like Yoruba,

Artifact, Cultural items, dressing is more of Benin...

I am just arguing to set the record straight.

Benin history did not take cognizance of Oduduwa. Any history that separate Oduduwa and his seven sons from Yoruba is totally wrong and scam.

Oduduwa is Yoruba. Rewrite your history to have Odudwa in it. We will accept that

9jacrip:


Lagos was never conquered by Benin but there was military occupation.

Oba of Eko was only Oba of Eko (Lagos Island) and his power does not extend beyond it.

There is Oniru run by Oniru

There is Ikate run by Elegushi

There is Ijora and Apapa run by Ojora

There is Oto run by Oloto

There is Ikoyi run by Onikoyi

There is Ajiran run by Oba Ojomu

And so on who own lagos lands and run them accordingly.

stinggy:


Wrong! You wouldn't say true owners of Nigeria are the Brits because they colonized us at a time, would you?
Aworis are the owners, and are part of the larger Yoruba tribe, only few misguided ones will refute this.

TonySpike:

Educate them, bro. These guys are just revisionists.

NigerMan1:


stinggy - can you please tell us why those "few misguided ones will refute" being Yoruba? Am sure you're not Awori, so why must you insist? I can tell you that until the you guys started fighting and claiming "Lagos is Yorubland" immediately after the 3rd mainland bridge was commissioned in 1990 Babangida, most yorubaland people use to (and still) hate the Awoiris with perfect hatred. Many people from Oyo, Ogun and Oshun regarded the Aworis as aliens.