214 of the girls rescued from Boko Haram
have been confirmed pregnant. (not that I'm
surprised anyway). My question is this,
considering the psychological consequence of this,
both long and short term, can abortion be justified
in this instance??
Christians and Muslims, your view

To me it all depends on their regious believes on abortion, but for me alone, I had say remove it. What is the purpose of keeping a product of your worst nightmare, only to bring them to life then trying to find for them with no source of income and support. Many times when I see a single mother trying to feed her kids, am like anyone who raised his hand against a woman is a beast.

The seeds in them are bokoharam and so satanic. God gives the Doctors Skills to abort. Let them do their job.

Blakjewelry:
To me it all depends on their regious believes on abortion, but for me alone, I had say remove it. What is the purpose of keeping a product of your worst nightmare, only to bring them to life then trying to find for them with no source of income and support. Many times when I see a single mother trying to feed her kids, am like anyone who raised his hand against a woman is a beast.

source of income and how to feed them is nuh d problem here bruh.

I can tell you, it churns my stomach to imagine carrying the child of a rapist. Only God can heal those girls of the psychological trauma they've been through. As much as it is nauseating to be carrying the seed of those beast, every single child is completely innocent of the sins of the father. dont u think?

It's best to keep the pregnancy for the following reasons:
1. The unborn child is completely innocent and , with good training, will not take after its father;
2. Abortion is tantamount to murder. The world will cry out if a criminal's 7 months old baby is taken to be executed with him in the firing squad;calling for the murder of the unborn babies because of their fathers' sin should also be denounced .
3. The abortion could result in the death of the mother; what then?
4. The abortion could lead to serious health complications/infertility for the mother; what then?
5. The child,if allowed to live, may become the consolation for its mother, rising above a dark background, refusing to be limited/defined by same; why not?

Abortion is either right or wrong, there is no such thing as "in this instance". Dont kill is dont kill, it's not okay to kill just because you were raped or because a child's father is boko haram or bla bla bla. Abi is it the pregnancy that is responsible for your rape?

yinkard4me:

source of income and how to feed them is nuh d problem here bruh.

who says it is not one of the problems or do you thing govt will go on taking care of mother and child on until the child grow up to an adult. secondly one has to consider the psychological effects the child will keep on bringing to the mother. again it all depends on their religious belief and it is also dependent weather the mother the mother wants to keep the child

yinkard4me:
214 of the girls rescued from Boko Haram
have been confirmed pregnant. (not that I'm
surprised anyway). My question is this,
considering the psychological consequence of this,
both long and short term, can abortion be justified
in this instance??
Christians and Muslims, your view

Abortion will be justified. The girls are not physically and financially ready to mother such kids and they will be an ever present emotional scar.

soopamom:
Abortion is either right or wrong, there is no such thing as "in this instance". Dont kill is dont kill, it's not okay to kill just because you were raped or because a child's father is boko haram or bla bla bla. Abi is it the pregnancy that is responsible for your rape?

hmmmm! but what about the psychological trauma?

UyiIredia:


Abortion will be justified. The girls are not physically and financially ready to mother such kids and they will be an ever present emotional scar.

some of them are physically and financially ok to
raise a child. i want answers on its religious
implications. thats why i took it here

yinkard4me:

some of them are physically and financially ok to raise a child. i want answers on its religious implications. thats why i took it here

In that case, I don't know of any Bible verse that directly prohibits abortion. So I don't think it's sinful if the reasons are good.

UyiIredia:


In that case, I don't know of any Bible verse that directly prohibits abortion. So I don't think it's sinful if the reasons are good.

Why in the hell does the action of the rapist have
to be pushed onto the unborn child? Humans are
humans, and believe it or not some people today
have been born as a result of rape; have fun
telling them that they don't have the right to
exist because of something they had no part in.
What these mothers NEED is prenatal care,
availability to adoption if they do not want the
babies, and counseling to overcome the trauma of
rape. Aborting an innocent human does nothing
to cover up or improve the pain that rape does to
a woman, and neither does it bring justice to the
rapist.

yinkard4me:

Why in the hell does the action of the rapist have
to be pushed onto the unborn child? Humans are
humans, and believe it or not some people today
have been born as a result of rape; have fun
telling them that they don't have the right to
exist because of something they had no part in.
What these mothers NEED is prenatal care,
availability to adoption if they do not want the
babies, and counseling to overcome the trauma of
rape. Aborting an innocent human does nothing
to cover up or improve the pain that rape does to
a woman, and neither does it bring justice to the
rapist.

I have no problem with the alternative you've stated and in fact would prefer them to abortion. But this doesn't erase the fact that I think abortion would be justified IF they don't have the means to raise the kids.

yinkard4me:

some of them are physically and financially ok to
raise a child. i want answers on its religious
implications. thats why i took it here

Brotherly I doubt if any of those girls are financially OK to take care of that child, if they are financially OK I bet they won't have waited until bh overrun their village before evacuating.
Besides I will like to get opinion on the issue from the female folks because we guys don't know what it is to be raped more again to be pregnant in the process. We can never know because we are men, so let the ladies help out here

UyiIredia:


I have no problem with the alternative you've stated and in fact would prefer them to abortion. But this doesn't erase the fact that I think abortion would be justified IF they don't have the means to raise the kids.

abortion shouldn't be an
option except the pregnancy has complications
against the life that can produce another.

Blakjewelry:

Brotherly I doubt if any of those girls are financially OK to take care of that child, if they are financially OK I bet they won't have waited until bh overrun their village before evacuating.
Besides I will like to get opinion on the issue from the female folks because we guys don't know what it is to be raped more again to be pregnant in the process. We can never know because we are men, so let the ladies help out here

i agree with u... i think i know two females here
booqee
vickyrotex

yinkard4me:

i agree with u... i think i know two females here
booq.ee
vickyrotex

#Smiles.
Brb, in an hour or 2. Cant type much for now.

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This is a case of "oro yi so si mi lenu, o bu yo si"

Truth is, religion aside, abortion to me is immoral. I for once can't stand preventing an innocent kid from coming to this world to fulfil his or her purpose

But in this case, there are slim chances of those girls wanting to keep the babies, especially with the circumstances surrounding the conception.

Believe me, lots of these girls can't handle it. Those girls are so strong to have survived the ordeal, but not all of them can survive the next phase, I dont think it will be fair to them, by forcing them to keep the babies against their own will.

I had this same dicussion with someone yesterday, and she said If I dont support abortion, what if some of the girls dies during child birth, and I smiled, and asked her, what if some of the girls die during abortion too? She was tryna put her words together.

The truth is, either abortion or birthing the child, they are both risky.

Someone said, its better they die during abortion, than keep the babies. And I was . Really


One thing is, aborting those kids will not erase the trauma of those girls. Some will feel worse after the abortion. You know that.

I'll share a short story:

I took permission from a friend before deciding to share this.

She is a very close friend, the day she told me the situation that surrounded her birth, I was "wooowed" Her mum got married at the age of 19. At age 20, they got attacked by robbers and her mum's husband was killed, the mum raped. The mum decided to keep the pregnancy, Now, this girl is a result of that rape. Yea, she is. Now a motivational speaker, She is someone lots of people wanna listen to, to hear her words of advice.

She'll publish her book soon, that talks about her ordeal. How she strived to survive, despite the discouragement from people.


Not all kids conceived from rape turns out to be bad afterall, lots of them choose to proove their fathers wrong, and in turn be a blessing to the society.

Now, someone might be saying, that's 1:20 in cases like this, but I'd just say let's look on the brighter side, let's be optimistic. Keeping those kids, wouldnt be a bad idea afterall.


In all, I'd just say, these girls should be given a free will to decide what they want and shouldnt be compelled or forced to.

If there's any of them willing to keep the pregnancies, (ofcourse, I know there'd be lots of them willing to) and wants to give the babies out for adoption or to NGO's, I already said it, I'm very much willing to adopt at most 5.

I'm sure there are various NGO's willing to help these girls aswel. Trust me, some of these girls will go back to their kids in the future.

All said, abortion aint the best way out here, there are other ways out.

Medical practitioners should help out, and let each girl know her chances of surviving abortion or giving birth.


But in all I wouldnt blame/judge any of these girls if they abort the kids.

yinkard4me:

i agree with u... i think i know two females here
booqee
vickyrotex

kai i'm jealous oo.. who is vickyrotex? so we don dey two for ur hand??



ok ok on a more serious note, i believe they should be given the option if they want abortion or not (hopefully they all choose a YES on it). I already stated in an earlier thread that its better they abort that pregnancy than keep it. really those women are barely able to fend for themselves talk less of another 'bastard' child (no insult meant pls), a child who would remind them of the disgusting ordeal they passed through. See its a sure thing that 95% of those women are alredy depressed or going through some other psychological trauma... and they definitely need to be helped out of the situation.. A boko haram child will not allow them to successfully pass that stage.

Abortion is a sin quite alright, but God is a merciful God... (I know that sounds like testing His patience)

yinkard4me:
214 of the girls rescued from Boko Haram
have been confirmed pregnant. (not that I'm
surprised anyway). My question is this,
considering the psychological consequence of this,
both long and short term, can abortion be justified
in this instance??
Christians and Muslims, your view

Sentiments apart, there is no scriptural justification for abortion; only emotional justification.

Unfortunately, we live in a world now that suffering for righteousness sake is now farfetched for many. People can go through physical pain for money, endure psychological stress for fame; but doing something painful but pleasing to God is now too great a demand.

Abortion is murder; pre-meditated murder. It is termination of a life and a destiny.

With God, there is no such thing as unwanted pregnancy. It may be unwanted for the mother but not for God. Once a baby is conceived, he already has an identity and a destiny with God.

Jeremiah 1v5 - Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

From the moment we are conceived in the womb, God already knows us and has ordained a calling for our lives. Meaning every baby in the womb already has an identity and a destiny before God. To abort it is not just to terminate a life but also to truncate an ordained destiny.

Luke 1v15 -For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, EVEN FROM HIS MOTHER'S WOMB.

The Holy Spirit does not fill things or objects, the Holy Spirit fills people and persons. If the Holy Spirit could fill a baby in the womb, it means a baby in the womb is already a person before God, not a thing.

To abort a baby in the womb is tantamount to killing a person. You might as well deliver the baby first and strangle it to death. It's the same thing before God.

If the mother doesn't want the baby because of the circumstance of his conception; I believe that there are some religious bodies that are into child care charities that can take care of the baby. There are also motherless babies homes funded by secular NGOs that can take up the responsibility. Not to talk of countless childless couples who would not mind adopting the babies.

All these are if the mother's say they don't want the babies. And I'm sure some of them may even change their minds when they deliver.

There have been instances where a pregnant woman claimed a pregnancy is unwanted and will give him up for adoption, only to change her mind after delivering the baby, as a fountain of love she never knew she had or was capable of gushed out towards the baby. And was willing to do anything for that baby afterwards, not minding the circumstances of his conception.

And there were other cases where the child was even given up for adoption; only for the mother to start longing and pinning for the baby months or years later.

Abortion should not even be an option much less a last option. If we really know the power of God; and how capable He is of healing our physical, emotional and psychological pains; we will realise that abortion need not be an option at all; it is an error of decision.

That's why the bible says; Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. -Matthew 22v29

Saying children of rape don't deserve to live is an emotional rant, not a scriptural or godly opinion. I know its not easy, but nobody ever said obeying God is. Christianity is about obedience not convenience.

Shalom.

BTW, this is front page worthy i think... its an interesting topic for discussion. yinka just tweak the title to look catchy..

cc ishilove, lalasticlala, seun, obinoscopy ati be be lo......

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@yinkard4me you see wetin just happen na na na??!!!!! i helped you get your topic to front page buy copying the mods.. what is my prize?? What is my reward?? i no want orijin

Yes!

Abortion is right in this circumstance!!!

If na me I MUST abort the thing

Personally I think abortion should be legalised... It will control overpopulation.




And as for the pregnant girls... Fvck religion,anyone that wants abortion should be alowed abortion as long as its safe and those that say no should be compensated by the federal government for failling to protected them. So they can take care of the kids.

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in this case even God will understand. all the rescued pregnant women should abort the evil seeds growing in them

yes
it is the best thing that can be done, if not how do u explain this to the children in future years.
then again some of this girls may have developed feelings for those BH boys . since some girls have fish brain

This leads us to the classic pro-life vs pro-choice philosophical debate.