macof:

Ok bt kindly furnish the records, the Bini descendants in Lagos who's ancestors came before the Awori
If you can't I have to call this what it is - trash

macof - you are welcome. Am sure you and the other yorubas disouting Lagos / Oba of Lagos ancesrty are the Yoruba migrants to Lagos.
Anyway read what Oba Akiolu said:

Read what Oba Akiolu said about their Ancestry:

"Lagos is partly Yoruba and partly Benin. The matriarch was an Awori, a Yoruba, and the patriarch was a de­scendant of an Oba of Benin"

"In those days, Eko was Eko before the advent of the Portuguese adventurers who came and named it Lago de Curamo, which means land near the water. There is a town in Portugal called Lagos. They named this place after their Lagos over there. They assisted in rebuilding the throne room and that is why it’s called Iga. The palace is a place of pride and honour. The custodian of the throne must be very frank, have goodwill, be absolutely honest and love his subjects because anything he says will come to pass."

SOURCE: http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=102716

[quote author=kalakuta100 post=33432013] nobody that is not a Benin prince trained in the arts and traditions of Benin can rule the great land of igodomigodo... Please look at history and talk like some a someone educated.. This your story is half baked this is the real gist .The exiled Prince Ekaladerhan who was not known in Yoruba land, somehow earned the title of Oni Ile-fe Izoduwa which is now corrupt to yoruba language as Ooni (Oghene) of Ile-Ife Oduduwa and refused to return, then sent his son Oranmiyan to become king. Prince Oranmiyan took up his abode in the palace built for him at Usama by the elders (now a coronation shrine). Soon after his arrival he married a beautiful lady, Erinmwinde, daughter of Osa-nego, was the ninth Enogie (Duke) of Ego, by whom he had a son. After some years residence here he called a meeting of the people and renounced his office, remarking that the country was a land of vexation, Ile-Ibinu (by which name the country was afterward known) and that only a child born, trained and educated in the arts and mysteries of the land could reign over the people. He caused his son born to him by Erinmwinde to be made King in his place, and returned to Yoruba land Ile-Ife. After some years in Ife, he left for Oyo, where he also left a son behind on leaving the place, and his son Ajaka ultimately became the first Alafin of Oyoof the present line, while Oranmiyan himself was reigning as Oni of Ife. Therefore, Oranmiyan of Ife, the father of Eweka I, the Obaof Benin, was also the father of Ajaka, the first Alafin of Oyo.

Oni of Ife and Alafe of Oyo is a Bini spoken language all the Kings title in Southerner are Edo Language. In Nigeria Edo has the greatest and rich culture and most influence in West Africa and powerful King in Nigeria.

The bold bits doesn't fit with Yoruba history.

You Edo people jst lik to claim what is unclaimable
BINI empire wasn't even amongst the top 3 top empires in Nigerian history
You still have Kanem-bornu of the Kanuri, Oyo of the Yoruba and Sokoto of the Fulani/Hausa ahead

9jacrip:



Rants.

You've gone from trying to debate to vituperative.

You're not in the league of schooling me to what history should be, you do not even come close.

If you happened to be a history grad thwn I'd like to rip you apart here on so many debates bothering on history - who the Bleep do you think you are?

Yoruba never claimed Edo to be part of us, it is you lots who have Yoruba kingship system, use Yoruba terms and even have Yoruba names - you shoud probably direct your hate towards your progenitors who looked to us.

Whatever school you graduated from needs to have its dept of history shut down. Why? Because you've failed, as a historian to discern that the record of one phenomenon involving different groups would be written differently and a historian is supposed to take these pieces and reconstruct. I have tried to do this with you over this Lagos history by taking your source and others then drawing a reasonable account around them. For you, it has been superiroty of Benin history of a thing or nothing else and you're opening your putrid mouth and typing with your leprous fingers about whay history should be about?

As far as Yoruba is concerned, our account of our own history is ultimate until you or your benin folks can take on the calibre of historians we have produced whose works on Yoruba history have earned many medals world over - do you want me to mention names?

I do not have problems with ibos for a fact, rather, the recent distortion of Yoruba history by them here has rather made me wary of whom I engage.

You are not bright at all!

Please read Oba Akiolu open submission:


"Lagos is partly Yoruba and partly Benin. The matriarch was an Awori, a Yoruba, and the patriarch was a de­scendant of an Oba of Benin"

"In those days, Eko was Eko before the advent of the Portuguese adventurers who came and named it Lago de Curamo, which means land near the water. There is a town in Portugal called Lagos. They named this place after their Lagos over there. They assisted in rebuilding the throne room and that is why it’s called Iga. The palace is a place of pride and honour. The custodian of the throne must be very frank, have goodwill, be absolutely honest and love his subjects because anything he says will come to pass."

SOURCE: http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=102716

stinggy:


Get this well.
Oranmiyan left Bini to meet another son of his father on the throne of Ife, a son that wasn't even born when he and his 6 brothers were around - Ooni. He was given birth to by a slave and not the same mother that gave birth to the 'other 7'.
Oranmiyan felt betrayed because he had been promised he would succeed his father Oduduwa and only accepted to rule Bini for a short while. But after he left the Ife palace, all of his brothers left too, each settling down in his own kingdom. Ooni was the only one available to cater for Oduduwa and that was why Oduduwa made it his dying wish that Ooni succeeds him. He left in anger and founded Oyo-ile (not the present Oyo, but the present day Igboho) as the first Alaafin, note:- Ajaka was never the first Alaafin.

Oranmiyan is the link between Oyo and Benin kingdom and that's why Binis claim to have closer ties with Oyo than Ife, having been ruled by the same Oranmiyan.

ok pls on what grounds was Oranmiyan promised the throne of Ife?

stinggy:


To answer your question..

The Aworis were the first settlers of Lagos. At the time, the influence of Benin kingdom was very strong.
The Awori didn't treat Bini representatives well during trade, when the Oba heard this, he sent emisarries who were attacked by the Aworis. The angered Oba now sent his son - Ado, with an army to demand an explanation from the Aworis, but he was surprisingly well-received and even asked to be their leader. Oba agreed to this and later sent some chiefs to assist Ado in running Eko.
Ado was responsible for naming of the areas of Eko, that's why they bear bini names.

There's no Bini influence in lagos. Most of my friends are from Chieftain families in lagos and I know their family very well
There's more Ijebu and Itsekiri influence in Lagos than Bini
Awori don't even dress Bini

NigerMan1:



Please read Oba Akiolu open submission:


"Lagos is partly Yoruba and partly Benin. The matriarch was an Awori, a Yoruba, and the patriarch was a de­scendant of an Oba of Benin"

"In those days, Eko was Eko before the advent of the Portuguese adventurers who came and named it Lago de Curamo, which means land near the water. There is a town in Portugal called Lagos. They named this place after their Lagos over there. They assisted in rebuilding the throne room and that is why it’s called Iga. The palace is a place of pride and honour. The custodian of the throne must be very frank, have goodwill, be absolutely honest and love his subjects because anything he says will come to pass."

SOURCE: http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=102716

That emboldened part was a mere diplomatic expression to state the undeniable ownsership of Lagos lands by Awori while upholding the Benin influence.

No one has denied Benin impact.

What you just need to understand is that Benin set up the Oba of Eko which is limited to Eko while Idejos retain their lands and influences - simple.

tonychristopher:
i like you, i must be honest, you are not insultive like others, very intellectual


Egun are Ewe language based

Ilajes are purely Ijaws speaking Yoruboid
same as kalabari are ijaw spaeking miasma of igbo langauage even otuoke also

Igbo man, pls stop embarrassing the Ijaw nation with ur silly claims. Ilajes are NOT Ijaw people nor Ijaw speaking.

Your madness must surely have gone beyond remedy when you said ''KALABARI ARE IJAW SPEAKING MIASMA OF IGBO LANGUAGE EVEN OTUOKE''

With that, I guess your madness is certified.

People keep saying Bini clonized Aworis in Lagos
I have lived most of my life among Aworis, most of Bini origin but none have agreed to that
Sure Oba of lagos is of Bini origin but his lineage are known to answer to the idejo
Think of the Oba as a figure head, adviser and counsel not as a lord and landowner
I haven't come across anything suggesting Bini held Aworis on conquest

stinggy:


Get this well.
Oranmiyan left Bini to meet another son of his father on the throne of Ife, a son that wasn't even born when he and his 6 brothers were around - Ooni. He was given birth to by a slave and not the same mother that gave birth to the 'other 7'.
Oranmiyan felt betrayed because he had been promised he would succeed his father Oduduwa and only accepted to rule Bini for a short while. But after he left the Ife palace, all of his brothers left too, each settling down in his own kingdom. Ooni was the only one available to cater for Oduduwa and that was why Oduduwa made it his dying wish that Ooni succeeds him. He left in anger and founded Oyo-ile (not the present Oyo, but the present day Igboho) as the first Alaafin, note:- Ajaka was never the first Alaafin.

Oranmiyan is the link between Oyo and Benin kingdom and that's why Binis claim to have closer ties with Oyo than Ife, having been ruled by the same Oranmiyan.

You should be the one to get this well - read:

Oduduwa married more than one wife and these different wives gave birth to these different kids with the first child being a female. Oranmiyan and others didn't have one mother as you claimed.

Oranmiyan didn not feel betrayed about anything and did not go to rule Benin out of betrayal accept to rule Benin. He left for Benin before properties were shared and since he was the last and everything had been shared upon his return.

As a result his father gave him earth which signified ownership of the places his brothers set up shops and to get a period tribute.

Ooni as a title was the term used to refer to Oduduwa has owning the crown and stuff but not owning the land - Oonile.

The person who tendered to Orisas and played the personal assistant role to Oduduwa was Adimu.

Oyo Ile - the actual place Oranmiyan set up Oyo which was referred to as Katunga by Hausa and people from the north.

Igboho was the place seat of power was moved to after Oyo was first sacked by Nupe.

The present Oyo was originally known as Ago-Oja.

Oranmiyan ruled, not as Alaafin but as Oranmiyan. The first Alaafin was his son, Ajaka, Sango's brother.

macof:
ok pls on what grounds was Oranmiyan promised the throne of Ife?

He was the most adventurous and he commanded the Army at that time.

tonychristopher:


Who are oduduwa parents where do they come from ?

Is there record of oduduwa childhood


Or did he fall from heaven via orbit re entry


Pls research these and get back to us

Do u realize there are many historical figures who don't get their childhood recorded or remembered by their people. .only important events are stored

Can u tell me about the childhood of Eri , Eze Chima etc
Btw I wonder why Oduduwa is ur problem
Have u cleared out the Bini claim on Eze Chima? And the Igbo jews claim on Eri?

9jacrip:


You should be the one to get this well - read:

Oduduwa married more than one wife and these different wives gave birth to these different kids with the first child being a female. Oranmiyan and others didn't have one mother as you claimed.

Oranmiyan didn not feel betrayed about anything and did not go to rule Benin out of betrayal accept to rule Benin. He left for Benin before properties were shared and since he was the last and everything had been shared upon his return.

As a result his father gave him earth which signified ownership of the places his brothers set up shops and to get a period tribute.

Ooni as a title was the term used to refer to Oduduwa has owning the crown and stuff but not owning the land - Oonile.

The person who tendered to Orisas and played the personal assistant role to Oduduwa was Adimu.

Oyo Ile - the actual place Oranmiyan set up Oyo which was referred to as Katunga by Hausa and people from the north.

Igboho was the place seat of power was moved to after Oyo was first sacked by Nupe.

The present Oyo was originally known as Ago-Oja.

Oranmiyan ruled, not as Alaafin but as Oranmiyan. The first Alaafin was his son, Ajaka, Sango's brother.

Thanks for the correction.
But I didn't say Oranmiyan left for Benin because he was betrayed.

stinggy:


Thanks for the correction.
But I didn't say Oranmiyan left for Benin because he was betrayed.

Your post, maybe how it was worded, alluded to that.

It is all good bro

tonychristopher:
In actuality, the Egun and Awori people are not yoruba. Their language is Egun which is similar to Ewe language spoken in Benin and parts of Togo. The Egun and Awori language is more 'eweid' than 'Yorubaid'. Some Egun people speak Yoruba just as Okrika people speak Igbo but are not Igbo.
The Aworis claim early link with Benin, however, they are Yorubas in today's Nigerian context.

Many Ijebus dont also believe in Oduduwa thing, I have one as my neighbour here, sometimes he doesnt even see himself as a yoruba he prefers to be called ijebu and this dude is educated. He has his reasons and I respect him

Omg ignorance redefined

I would like to point that Aniocha aren't Igbo, they prefer to call themselves Delta than align wit igbo
Ikwerre aren't igbo
Ika, Ukwani als aren't igbo

When you choke down on this you would understand how stupidity has made you utter such nonsense of Awori not being yoruba
A people who came from Ife

macof:

Do u realize there are many historical figures who don't get their childhood recorded or remembered by their people. .only important events are stored

Can u tell me about the childhood of Eri , Eze Chima etc
Btw I wonder why Oduduwa is ur problem
Have u cleared out the Bini claim on Eze Chima? And the Igbo jews claim on Eri?

Baba, nice response.

tonychristopher:
Tomorrow you will tell us that Ilajes and Eguns are yoruba and they are Oduduwa children...pls fix the loopholes in Oduduwa history pls

There are no loopholes in Oduduwa. . Its known that yoruba history is better collated than ur igbo history . If I was you I would spend more time worrying about igbo history and how many of ur people hate ur identity and prefer to align with Jews

Oduduwa is a name, a name that refers to a bunch of different figures... its nt easy identifying which tale belongs to which figure because the same cults uphold the secrets and only an initiate has access to these secrets
So next time you read from a blog that oduduwa came from the sky - ask which Oduduwa? The king or the creator God?

hotwax:


Ask your Yoruba elders, the meaning of OLÓFIN ÁLÁ

Let me hlp you out. We have many Lazy kids in this generation.
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JESUS, The Christ = OLÓFIN ÁLÁ, was Initiated in the Yorubaland into IFÁ.
¡Ogbó, ató, àsúre, Ìwòrìwòfún. OLÓFIN á gbà é, BABA ODÙDÚWÀ á gbà é, ÒRÚNMÌLÀ ÈLÀ á gbà é! – May You Have Long Life, with the Spiritual Blessing of Ifá Odù Ìwòrì Wòfún (Who Opens the Divine Portal of the Grace of OLÓDÙMARÈ), May the Blessing of OLÓFIN (Concious Manifestation of GOD), Baba ODÙDÚWÀ, and ÒRÚNMÌLÀ ÈLÀ be upon you!
Aláàfia se a ni – May the Peace be with You!
“EGBÉ ÓDÙN OLÓFIN” = The Family of OLOFIN’S Secret
Teachings given by baba Odùdúwà through his Elègún (medium) and the Teachings of Égún Tata G, a spirit Emissary of Odùdúwà.
JESUS, The Christ = OLÓFIN ÁLÁ, was Initiated in the Yorubaland into IFÁ
Baba Odùdúwà:
Christ is a Title that means the anointed by the Holy Spirit, anointed by the Divine Power. Christ is ONE, and many Christ existed in many traditions around the Planet; Hindu, Yoruba, etc.
There are many things written, but few of them can compare with the Reality. The Catholic Religion has Angels and Saints in their Cult, and Christ is the Son of God in the Catholic Tradition. Within the (Esoteric) Yoruba Tradition, Christ is known as “OLÓFIN ALA”, the Smallest Son of OLÓFIN (the Conscious Manifestation of God). The First Son of OLÓFIN ÒRUN was OLÓFIN ÈLÀ (The Spirit Essence of Purity).
What image do we have of Jesus? The image is one of a Compassionate person, Why? All the Divine Beings don’t need anything from the Earthly Beings. The Divine knows and recognize its Power. Christ or Yeshua, there are many things written about him. What we know as Christ in reality is not as people portray him. In Reality JESUS was Furious being, Terrible, Why? No one knows in Truth how is he, only those 16 Major Spirits know the truth about him, and know him. Those who we call Apostles didn’t really know him. Christ is a Marvelous, and is an Enormous Being, but however he is a terrible being, he is Terribly Powerful. The use of terrible here refers not to the malignant aspect, but Terrible here is focus to his WRATH. The True name of Jesus was YOSEF, and he in reality is the smallest Son of OLÓFIN. Christ is the one who decided to Sacrifice himself for Humankind, he is Eternal and Divine, and by been a Divine Being, people had to Pay a very High Price for shedding his Blood. That is why there is so much blood shedding in those lands of Israel, Palestine, and stills more bloodshed to come in that area. No one truthfully knows his true physical form; no one knows many of the real Jewish Secrets.
NOTE: Based on the Teaching giving by Baba Odùdúwà and one of his Emissary Spirits, TATA G, Jesus travel to different lands to seek for knowledge, and he was initiated in different Traditions. He went to Egypt, Persia, India, Himalayas, and also people didn’t that he also went to Africa and specially to Yorubaland and there he was Initiated into IFÁ priesthood.
EGUN TATA G Teaching: Jesus name was mix-up with his father name, Jesus real name was Yosef and his father name was Jesus (Yeshua). Jesus (Yosef) went to Yorubaland, he was consulted with the 16 Cowries Shell of the ÒÒŞÀ tradition, he came with 16 Cowries shell mouths up (Eerindínlógún), that is a sign that the person who is Consulting the Oracle is a SON of OLÓFIN (God), so they took him right away to be Initiated into IFÁ. Also he received other initiations of other African Traditions specially the NGANGA Initiation of Ancestor Worship of Warrior Spirits. When Jesus was in the Catacombs he performed different spiritual practices of African origin (he also did the Bakinya or Rayamiento (Scratch) Ceremony to his inner disciples), also did Egyptian spiritual practices. When he left this world he became a High Spiritual Power, he is very close in Spiritual Hierarchy to Baba Odùdúwà.
BABA ODÙDÚWÀ on the Daughter of Jesus: The know character in the New Testament, Jesus, he only had a daughter, and she died as a Virgin. This woman was of dark color, later people worship her as the Black Virgin, and now a day’s people (Gypsies specially) worship her as SAINT SARAH KALI, they call her the VIRGIN of the GYPSIES, she is venerated in the south of France, and Rumania. She is depicted as a Black Virgin.
Another teaching Odùdúwà gave
Why you said that he has not satiated his Thirst of Blood?
When he (Jesus) did his EBO (Sacrifice), when he shed his Blood in that land (ISRAEL), He also wanted an EBO (a Sacrifice), so Big a Sacrifice he wanted to also be made, that even today still they are paying with blood in that area of ISRAEL, to this they are condemn the people you know as ISRAEL. This is due to the EBO EJE (Blood Sacrifice) and until they pay the same value of the Blood that Jesus shed, the bloodshed won’t stop. Imagine how much the Blood is worth, but not of a regular human, but the blood of a Divinity (ÒRÌŞÀ). This is what you should aspire to reach, to become Divine (as an ÒRÌŞÀ level).
Note: SORRY FOR ANY ENGLISH MISTAKES.
Note: Most think that OLÓFIN ÒRUN is another title for Olódùmarè, but the Teaching of Baba Odùdúwà through his Elègún rejects that statement, and say there are different. The late Nigerian Babalawo Ayo Salami in one of his books mentions that through his Ifá research, he found “Ese Ifá” (Ifá verses) that mention OLÓFIN ÒRUN as a separate Deity from Olódùmarè, and state that he was the First Being in the Firmament.

Complete nonsense from beginning to end
Why are you so eager to fuse ur god into Yoruba traditions?
you said you are from Ife
You disgust me

tonychristopher:


Are you saying ijaw has nothn in ilaje..I know many ilaje that see themselves as ijaw ...so there must be a reason

Absolutely nothing. You probably mistake the Ijaw in Ondo state - Apoi for Ilaje

9jacrip:


That emboldened part was a mere diplomatic expression to state the undeniable ownsership of Lagos lands by Awori while upholding the Benin influence.

No one has denied Benin impact.

What you just need to understand is that Benin set up the Oba of Eko which is limited to Eko while Idejos retain their lands and influences - simple.

9jacrip - believe you're a true 21st century Yoruba. Indeed you're a champion of 'lies and propaganda'

The Oba of Lagos, a highly educated man in 70s was asked the history of Eko and replied thus:

"Lagos is partly Yoruba and partly Benin. The matriarch was an Awori, a Yoruba, and the patriarch was a de­scendant of an Oba of Benin"

However, you (9jacrip) with no single cultural and ancestral AFFINITY to Lagos, stood akimbo to dispute what the Oba openly said about his ancestry and Eko? Unknown to you and fellow younger generation Yoruba army of liberation, The Oba's father, the late Oba Oyekan said the same thing when he was alive.

I deliberately RESERVED this to allow you guys dissipate your energy and fired all salvo before sharing the link. My brother, please make una go sit down - the Eleko of Eko has spoken; that his ancestral parents are Awori woman and Benin Man:

macof:


Complete nonsense from beginning to end
Why are you so eager to fuse ur god into Yoruba traditions?
you said you are from Ife
You disgust me

macof - you shouldn't get disgusted at all.

That's what you get, when you Yorubas deliberately created stories of Oduduwa as a means of Propaganda (please your kinsmen said so). However, over the years, when scholars dispelled one story with unassailable facts and figures, your writers will create another one. Today, we have about 12 VERSIONS of Oduduwa among the Yorubas. So, leave him alone; even on this thread I'd read about 4 versions already

tonychristopher:
I will agree with you here but there is a notion that ilajes are in Ijaw land







ILAJES (MAHINS) - ORIGIN

The Ilajes met the Arogbo-Ijaws in the home land of the latter people. The Ilajes escaped from Ile-Ife a few centuries ago running for their dear life because of the misunderstanding between them and their kith and kins in Ile-Ife. They arrived in Ijawland in the present Ondo State and pleaded to be sheltered. Thus the Ilajes whose countrymen, the Yoruba are hinterland based people found themselves settled along the Atlantic sea-coast separated from the hinterland by the Arogbo-Ijaw clan who inhabit the fresh water swamps of the Delta adjoining the mainland. This historical event explains why the oldest Ilaje-towns can only be found along the Atlantic coast line and not more than a few decades old. The Arogbo-Ijaws taught the Ilajes the art of swimming, fishing, house building and canoe-paddling the only mode of transportation in the area.

18. This story was corroborated by the testimony of the then Olugbo-Elect, Crown Prince Adebanjo Akingbade Mafimisebi. He is now the substantive Olugbo of Ugbo. Testifying before the Justice Ajakaiye Chieftaincy Commission of Inquiry sitting at Akure, he deposed as follows: "The Ugbo-Kingdom in the Ilaje-Ese Odo Local Government of Ondo State existed before Oduduwa came to Ile-Ife. Ugbo (Ilaje) Kingdom is one of the ancient Kingdoms in Yorubaland as a whole, and the people (Ilajes) were originally (underlining ours) in Ile-Ife before Oduduwa (father of the Yorubas) came and raided them. They first settled at Oke Mafunranyan (High Hill) which was later known as Oke-Igbo, and later migrated to the Arogbo-Ijaw riverine area of Ondo State." (See Sunday Sketch, June 19, 1988.

19. This history of Ilaje settlement in their present habitat is further corroborated in a short history of the Ilajes by an expatriate, Patriarch J. G. Campbell who stated that the Ilajes left Ile-Ife to Ese-Odo area where they were assisted by the Ijos (Ijaws) to settle in their new environment.

20. The said press statement by the conspirator Chiefs was released on the eve of the so called Constitutional Conference organised by the Abacha Administration. Its intention was to mislead, misinform and deceive the public, the Abacha Government and the delegates to the conference to deny us our request for a separate Local Government - Toru-Ibe Local Government Area.

21. The present Rejoinder by these writers has the same intention: to misinform, mislead and deceive the public and the Federal and State Governments in the on-going Boundary delimitation exercise embarked upon by the National Boundary Commission. The third purpose of these conspirators is to show the Ijaws in a bad light, all in their attempt to corner our God-given oil rich lands.

22. They insulted the whole Ijaw race by describing it as " a nomadic and highly sedentary race that migrate to other places to live, "using their canoes in the water ways and settling on shore to engage in their fishing business." These are very inflamming words , and these chiefs owe an unreserved apology to the Ijaw ethnic nationality.

23. The Ijaws are neither nomads, migrants nor settlers, as we shall prove very presently.


http://www.unitedijaw.com/egbemaclan.htm

Ilaje has always had their own land..they have had contact with ijaw, trade nd fights here and there but they are different
Even this thing u quote doesn't say ilaje are ijaw
It jst gives the impression that Ilaje stole ijaw land
There are some ijaw blogs that claim invaders from Ife ruled them - maybe these are the Ilaje

NigerMan1:


macof - you shouldn't get disgusted at all.

That's what you get, when you Yorubas deliberately created stories of Oduduwa as a means of Propaganda (please your kinsmen said so). However, over the years, when scholars dispelled one story with unassailable facts and figures, your writers will create another one. Today, we have about 12 VERSIONS of Oduduwa among the Yorubas. So, leave him alone; even on this thread I'd read about 4 versions already

That's wat we get when people refuse to stick to tradition and seek Awo for lessons but sit home and read Internet articles of such sensitiv matter

There's only one version of Oduduwa. Obadio is the head of the Oduduwa cult (9jacrip correct me if am wrong) surely his linelineage and the Ooni are in the best position to speak on Oduduwa not Bini clowns lik urself or igbo gowns like Tony nt even mere uninitiated Yorubas

NigerMan1:


pazienza - Bro remember, we are talking about ANCESTRY. I said some Igbos - not all Igbos.

Meanwhile read what Azikiwe published about the Onitsha Ancestry:

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Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Genealogy and Nativity

“Thus, in tracing my paternal lineage, I could say that both parents of my father are direct descendants of Eze Chima. As for me, I can trace my paternal ancestry in this wise: I am the first son of Chukwuemeka, who was the third child and first son of Azikiwe, who was the second son of Molokwu, who was the third son of Ozomaocha, who was the second son of Inosi Onira, who was the fourth son of Dei, the second son of Eze Chima, the founder of Onitsha.”

“I can trace my maternal ancestry thus: I am the first son of Nwanonaku Rachel Chinwe Ogbenyeanu (Aghadiuno)Azikiwe, who was third daughter of Aghadiuno Ajie, the fifth son of Onowu Agbani, first daughter of Obi Udokwu, the son who descended from five Kings of Onitsha. Five of these rulers of Onitsha were direct lineal descendants of Eze Chima, who led his warrior adventurers when they left Benin to establish the Onitsha city state in about 1748 AD.

“One day I asked her (grandmother) the meaning of the word ‘Onitsha’. She explained that it had historical significance. The terminology meant one who despised another. It is a contraction of two words, Onini to despise, and Ncha meaning others. So that the two words when joined together mean one who despises others. Then I asked her why we despised others. She patted me on the back and told me that it was due to our aristocratic background and tradition. I insisted that she should explain to me the basis of this supercilious social attitude. She told me that we despised others because we descended from the Royal House of Benin and so regarded ourselves as the superiors of other tribes who had no royal blood in their veins, “

“I continued to belabor my grandmother to tell me more of the history and origins of the Onitsha people. She narrated that many years ago, there lived at Idu (Benin) a great Oba who had many children. Due to a power struggle regarding the right of precedence among princes of the blood and other altercations, there was a civil war in Benin. One day, the supporters of one of the princes insulted and assaulted Queen Asije, the mother of the Oba of Benin, who was accused of having trespassed on their farmland. Enraged at this evidence of indiscipline and lawlessness, the Oba ordered his war chief and brother, Gbunwala Asije to apprehend and punish the insurgents. In the attempt to penalize them, Chima, the ultimate founder of the Onitsha city-state, a prince of the blood in his own right, led the recalcitrant against his Uncle, Gbunwala. This intensified the civil war which rent the kingdom of Benin in two and led to the founding of Onitsha Ado N’Idu, , ” “As the great trek from Benin progressed, some did not have the stout heart of the pioneer-warrior, and decided to settle at different places, known today as Onitsha -Igbo, Onitsha-Olona, Onitsha-Mili, Obior, Issele Ukwu, Ossomari, Aboh, etc,

” SOURCE – Nnamdi Azikiwe: My Odyssey, Chapter I (Spectrum Books, 1970) “My Genealogy and Nativity”

Ezechima was not a Bini Prince. He was an Igbo man who grew in wealth and influence in Ancient Bini, so much that he dined with kings.
No Bini Prince answers an Igbo name Ezechima, Binis are too proud a people for such. Azikiwe story is irrational, Bini was a great kingdom, many wants to attach themselves to Bini, but a little bit application of common sense will tell you that a Bini Prince can't be given an Igbo name.

macof:

Ok bt kindly furnish the records, the Bini descendants in Lagos who's ancestors came before the Awori
If you can't I have to call this what it is - trash

One very funny thing about some Yoruba's I've met is that they don't know their history.

I don't care what u call it.

Fact is that the Bini kingdom were the first in Lagos.

tonychristopher:
Its not copy and paste it just references and its intellectual research so I will not go into hear say, I will give you facts with links brother...face the facts not written by me

All through this thread you have been doing copy and paste. . From some unreliable sites nd blogs
Jst be careful what you read on the history of various ancient nations in modern Nigeria

So many things you've copied and pasted are false
1. Ogun was Oduduwa's first son not oranmiyan (if you go to oranmiyan festival in the Oyo nd Ife, he is said to have a controversial paternity) for a long time he had no sons after Ogun
2. Oduduwa had over 7 sons

And many other things I don't bother pointing out

NigerMan1:


Pero009 - sorry I think you''re one guilty of vagueness. If you follow the thread from the beginning and when I came into the discourse, you will realize I was not referring to entire Yoruba - but Olukumi

and who are you to tell Olukumi history? You want to know their origins better than them?
The same way you claim Eze Chima was a Bini slave you want to claim Olukumi as Bini slaves

Pls grow up you just too pathetic

chuna1985:


One very funny thing about some Yoruba's I've met is that they don't know their history.

I don't care what u call it.

Fact is that the Bini kingdom were the first in Lagos.

Facts are Facts because they have undeniable proof
Pls furnish this proof of Bini in lagos before the Aworis

NigerMan1:


whitecat1 - Please read this article about the history of Lagos on the Lagos State official werbsite: http://www.lagosstate.gov.ng/pagelinks.php?p=8

Nothing in there states Binis arrived lagos before Aworis
It infact tells us that Awori are the true inhabitants of Eko

Till today the Bini descendants in Eko acknowledge the Idejo authority

9jacrip:


Lagos was never conquered by Benin but there was military occupation.

Oba of Eko was only Oba of Eko (Lagos Island) and his power does not extend beyond it.

There is Oniru run by Oniru

There is Ikate run by Elegushi

There is Ijora and Apapa run by Ojora

There is Oto run by Oloto

There is Ikoyi run by Onikoyi

There is Ajiran run by Oba Ojomu

And so on who own lagos lands and run them accordingly.

I'll keep saying it until any Bini descendant in lagos proves otherwise. . THE OLOTO is head of the Aworis nt Oba of lagos
The olumegbon being the eldest Idejo apoints all Awori Obas including the Oba of lagos lineage

NigerMan1:


9jacrip - I put up a link to the Lagos State Governemnt website, yet you are refuting it?

You wrote: "Lagos was never conquered by Benin but there was military occupation."

Isn't this CONTRADICTING?

Then it means the article on the Lagos State Govt website is lying? Do you the Lagos aboriginal don't know their history? Okay my friend,

You wrote: "Oba of Eko was only Oba of Eko (Lagos Island) and his power does not extend beyond it."

You are trying to be CLEVER by half. So the Lagos first class King in the modern Era, you claim his power does not extend beyond Lagos Island? Funny you - what else can you say in the face POWERFUL facts and figures put before you?

You wrote: "There is Oniru run by Oniru etc"

Haba yoruba man, why all this trouble just to deface or devalue this HUGE historical fact? In the days we're talking about, those other kings you mentioned NEVER existed. The same Oba of Lagos who said Igbos should be exterminated, why didn't you guys told him he has no power beyond Lagos Island?

For a man trying to teach Yorubas their history you are are sore ignoramus on the said subject

Jst ask Competent people to tell you about Lagos(Eko)

Btw there's a difference btw occupation nd conquest

9jacrip:



You're not very bright.

There was never a Benin conquest in Lagos, what you see as a conquest was rather a diplomatic agreement between the two. Benin only set up war camps, hence, military occupation.

From your source of 'facts':



Your source, despite being poorly writ, managed to provide answers to some of your questions. You could have discovered these answers if you had not let the 'nor be yoruba own Lagos' struggle paralyze your mind.

Furthermore:



There goes another answer but there is more, just hold on tight.

From: http://www.oshodi.org/history/lagosians.html

According to the ‘Idejo” source-they, the Bini people, did not conquer them- they were invaded to settle disputes among the sons of Olofin. According to this source, the facts that the Obas of Lagos ‘owned’ no land in Lagos which is disposed of exclusively by the Yoruba Idejo chiefs, and that the Idejo chiefs did not perform any administrative duties on behalf of the Oba and took to the mainland in time of war leaving the Oba to defend Lagos, do not suggest an original Benin conquest.


From: http://www.oniruroyalfamily.org/index.php/history

Among the children who first arrived and possessed lands wereAROMIRE, OLOTO, ONIRU, OLUWA, OJORA, ONIKOYI, ONITANA, OLUMEGBON, ONITOLO, ELEGUSHI and ONISIWO. They are the ancestors of the Idejo chiefs, the oldest chieftaincy on the island and their rights over their land holdings were recognized by the Obas (kings) of Lagos, when that institution was created by the Oba of Benin.

Another: http://lawaspire.com.ng/2014/06/chief-adesina-jinadu-ors-v-chief-israel-esurombi-aro-anor-2/

4. The Ojora Chieftaincy Family is one of the Idejo Land owning Chieftaincy Families of Lagos and its traditional head is the Chief Ojora, a Lagos Idejo White Cap Chief.

5. The whole of the land originally owned by the Ojora Chieftaincy Family (hereinafter referred to as the Ojora Land) were known generally as Iganmu and have been in the possession of the said family (sic) from time immemorial and is bounded on the East by the Lagos Lagoon and part of Lagos Island and Ebute-Metta; on the North by the land of Oloto Chieftaincy Family Abebe Creek, Iguru Swamp and Itire Land; on the West by the land of Amuwo and of Alahun and on the South by the land of the Oluwa Chieftaincy Family, and more particularly shown on a plan dated December 1918 made by Herbert Macaulay (now deceased.)"

The Oba of Lagos' power now extends beyond Lagos island as the permanent head of Oba's council in Lagos but he can only influence decisions outside Lagos Island not necessary 'order a decision'.

I have tried to avoid engaging you because the issues you raise could easily be answered by hitting google but tonight you forced my hands. You're lucky google books seem not to be working. Read what is up there and remind me what your questions were again or you want to prove to know more than the Idejo themselves?

The sudden interest you and your team of Ibo revisionists have in Yoruba history is becoming disgusting, you all should focus more on your history and extend it towards pre-1967.

Beautiful! I didn't know the Internet has a good write on the Idejo - why then do the same Internet history lovers ignore this when they see it?

tonychristopher:
In every nonesensical Submission there is sense in it, so we learn in funny ways just as we are doing here.../

but one must be careful in his approach to history ...especially those learning strictly from internet-based stuff
Even here on NL.

The cuts are the best place for these secret knowledge. ..if you want some go get some