MikeCZAR:
Software and electronics > Hardware.

That's why America isn't worried about the Chinese F-35 copy.

But they are worried about their "supposed allies" getting rival planes other than the F-35.

Henry120:


Specs have been coming out you soweto man. I have been posting them.

Dude!! Read those specs, they are more a speculation of what the Armata could be, those aren't the exact specs, besides even those speculations aren't that special.

MikeCZAR:
The October war is a great example.

The T-62 with its night fighting capabilities was getting destroyed by Israeli Centurions.

Israeli forces suffered very heavy equipment losses in their last war with Egypt....it was a stalemate....draw....no winner
.

MikeCZAR:
The Mirages performed well against the MIG-23s what they needed was better missiles.

South African Mirage F1 pilots ran away from the air when Cuban MiG-23 pilots appeared. The MiG-23 was superior in engine performance.
Victory for Russian made jets over NATO made jets.

Henry120:


So what part of this Tank can been fitted?

You're sour cause your country can't display such?

You wanna see an active protection system fitted on the Rooikat?

patches689:


Welp, my bad. Been a long day.

F4 Phantom.

You should have guessed as much since I was referring to Iran's jets smashing Iraq's

Now, with regards to your trash:

1. T-72 is still the main Russian tank.

2. Su-27 has not seen combat against western powers. You said I must show you a western jet shooting one down, I said it has never fought a western jet.

Now, where are the rest of the citations you owe me?

I don't post citation for foolish questions you always ask. Waste your own time not mine.

Russia will not field old T-72 against NATO in war, they will lead attack with T-90 in frontline.

You said Su-27 has not seen combat, that is the third time you will say it in a few months and I keep educating you about Badme war, fact is you know next to nothing about air warfare, that's why you called F-14 Tomcat an F-14 Phantom twice in 30 minutes, same reason you say Gripen jet radar in ground search is 120 km range

agaugust:


South African Mirage F1 pilots ran away from the air when Cuban MiG-23 pilots appeared. The MiG-23 was superior in engine performance.
Victory for Russian made jets over NATO made jets.

Challenged accepted! Come let's dance.


During which engagement did Mirage pilots run?

agaugust:


Israeli forces suffered very heavy equipment losses in their last war with Egypt....it was a stalemate....draw....no winner
.

Egypt surprised Israel.

They advanced quickly but halted their advance, when they restart it. Israel was ready for them they were badly beaten.

After the battle of the Chinese farm Israeli tanks were inside Egypt threatening to cut off an entire army.

MikeCZAR:
Libya had air defence systems.

Libya had 1970s obsolete air defence wrecked by years of neglect, sanctions, and internal civil war.

Why not fly Rafale jet against modern S-400 Russian air defence missile?

Try fly Rafale against Su-35 Flanker
.

Henry120:


But they are worried about their "supposed allies" getting rival planes other than the F-35.

Every country will support its equipment.

Eliminating competition.

agaugust:


Libya had 1970s obsolete air defence wrecked by years of neglect, sanctions, and internal civil war.

Why not fly Rafale jet against modern S-400 Russian air defence missile?

Try fly Rafale against Su-35 Flanker
.

. Libya had better air defence systems than Nigeria today.

If a need to destroy S-400 system arose thee Rafale can.

agaugust:


Libya had 1970s obsolete air defence wrecked by years of neglect, sanctions, and internal civil war.

.

Can you also put your 1970s Roland missile in that class?

osystein:
I was enjoying the military discussion, but somebody had to derail.

This will mark the second time i have felt the need to write a MOD after a ban, at the risk of derailment. And as the first, it is never borne from the urge to protest the ban itself, but rather a subtle need to draw to the awareness of the MOD certain intricacies that characterise certain thread/post. Needless to say, it is far easier wielding the big hammer than taking a dedicated effort to be an umpire and a moderator.

All of societies the world over, political discussion is often an animated and heated one, more especially when you have a debate about the structure and composition of two countries in question.

You seem to be relatively, the new MOD on foreign affairs and my assumption is based on the fact that we have had other MODs including a female whom i will not name in order to avoid unnecessary "mentions" on their notifications. And they did take time to blend in with us,but that was after several hasty bans and their associated futility. Then they became true umpires rather than just hasty MODs eager to wield the big stick.

They discovered also the shrouded feature of the longest thread in the entire history of nairaland: honest debate has since given way to pure naked rivalry by the visitors.

Mr. MOD, this thread is about 3 years old if not longer and NO honest debate last that long on any online forum. If you would take the effort to scroll down the pages you will see they are occasionally marked by off-topic postings, emotional reactions, real event happenings which are all momentary derailment often sorted out without external help; granted, there have been one or two instances where a MOD had employed true moderating skills to pull everyone back on track.

If anyone is a political scientist by training or a political observer by interest, the secret but open rivalry between Nigeria and South Africa cannot be missed. And the debate here is a shadow reflecting the actual interactions of our two governments even at this very minute. It is the reason why there are only South African nationals left on this thread for years now!

The occasional jibes and clever inclusion of off-topic remarks to make points and garner scores can NEVER be ruled out in a debate of this nature and one this long between Nigerians and South Africans.

After all, when Nigeria recalled her envoy from Pretoria two week ago, South Africa's supposed professional diplomat, Mr. Monyela who is suppose to wear the cloak of diplomacy as a second skin did not only jeer at Nigeria but also made off-topic remarks wit Chibok girls and Boko haram. That was a diplomatic derailment from topic.


I do not own a crash course on diplomacy but if professional diplomats can have impulsive reactions in political situations , the patriot in me will cause me occasional schizophrenia in standing up for Nigeria. And if you happen to be the MOD during my five minutes of illogical rantings, could you be an umpire rather than a MOD always itching to use the big stick ?

Regards
Leslie.

agaugust:


Israeli forces suffered very heavy equipment losses in their last war with Egypt....it was a stalemate....draw....no winner
.

That was mainly because Isreali army overtly depended on tanks rather than its infantry,most of isreal's 'loss' in battle stems from too many machines but too little infantry on ground for situation awareness.In certain terrains and forts,too many war machines hinder rather than aid battle efforts.That been said,the Isreali military remains the strongest military force in the middle east.

MikeCZAR:
. Libya had better air defence systems than Nigeria today.
If a need to destroy S-400 system arose thee Rafale can.

Libya had heavy military tech. but had little trained manpower to properly wield them all.
Bombing libya was successful partly because their was a lot of nuclear tipped missiles involved and also because libya didnt have enough manpower to challenge invading forces due to fighting simultaneous wars against local militias,insurgents and renegade islamic cults.
No matter how powerful the rafale is,it cannot evade or destroy the S-400 ADM in a dedicated combat.

EVarn:
Libya had heavy military tech. but had little trained manpower to properly wield them all.
Bombing libya was successful partly because their was a lot of nuclear tipped missiles involved and also because libya didnt have enough manpower to challenge invading forces due to fighting simultaneous wars against local militias,insurgents and renegade islamic cults.
No matter how powerful the rafale is,it cannot evade or destroy the S-400 ADM in a dedicated combat.

Libya was not in any serious war with anyone when NATO started its bombing campaign. Their air force was being used to bomb protesters.

What nuclear missiles?

It can with stand-off weapons or jamming equipment.

EVarn:
That was mainly because Isreali army overtly depended on tanks rather than its infantry,most of isreal's 'loss' in battle stems from too many machines but too little infantry on ground for situation awareness.In certain terrains and forts,too many war machines hinder rather than aid battle efforts.That been said,the Isreali military remains the strongest military force in the middle east.

Machines hinder what?

MikeCZAR:
Machines hinder what?

Mumu!!

MikeCZAR:
Every country will support its equipment.

Eliminating competition.

I seriously doubt you are okay. The Americans actively bullied their supposed allies.

They have no moral justification to make accusations.

MikeCZAR:
You're sour cause your country can't display such?

You wanna see an active protection system fitted on the Rooikat?

Let us see it on your tin-pot world war 2 Tank.

MikeCZAR:
Confused man.

Why don't you tell us the number/ generations of Russian Tanks we've seen?

Lezz forget about that overzealous wan.ker.

Henry120:

Mumu!!

Henry120:


I seriously doubt you are okay. The Americans actively bullied their supposed allies.

They have no moral justification to make accusations.

Because they want people to buy their equipment, any nation will push or back its equipment.

Henry120:


Let us see it on your tin-pot world war 2 Tank.

Sour grapes!

How's your Epe rocket coming along?


Sudan is surpassing Nigeria in military innovation and tech.

Henry120:



Why don't you tell us the number/ generations of Russian Tanks we've seen?

Confused man.

MikeCZAR:
Sour grapes!

How's your Epe rocket coming along?

Sudan is surpassing Nigeria in military innovation and tech.

We are launching another Nigerian built satellite into orbit this year, and a home built and launched one in 2018. So, it's coming on fine.

Sudan has always had a more significant industry than Nigeria. Their industry has to support their sanctions hit military.

Everything they are making have already been designed by Nigeria along time ago. We are doing just very fine actually.

Nigeria has a more innovative industry.

MikeCZAR:
Confused man.

Olodo!!

MikeCZAR:
Sour grapes!

How's your Epe rocket coming along?


Sudan is surpassing Nigeria in military innovation and tech.

Your Half-french obsolete Helicopter has only a decade or 15 years to go......... And off course the program would be killed off, what's the possible replacement for the Half-french your confused government is looking at?

Some of your country men seem to favour HAL's LCH.

Henry120:
Lezz forget about that overzealous wan.ker.

it is done. i am back for them southies.

MikeCZAR:
Sour grapes!

How's your Epe rocket coming along?


Sudan is surpassing Nigeria in military innovation and tech.

you mean like Angola has become your military's refrence point.

who says SA didnt learn anything in 1978