stillchris:


oga, stop claiming what you are not. the Niger delta crisis problems is not secret. everyone knew the level of sabotage the army faced then and they still faced it in the north until the saboteurs were weeded out and court marshalled.

you don't sound like an experienced militant. i've met them and you don't sound like one. period. #faker

that is why people like you keep being stupid!!! u dont knw anything about we niger-deltans!! just keep ur silly mouth shut....we embraced peace and let the pipeline be but look at the economy situation now, it's worst than when militancy was still existing...

patches689:


If you are so innovative why arent you able to strap a d30 onto a truck?

Nigeria is decades behind south africa by any standard of innovation

We build sattelites why would we need to strap D-30's to trucks?


The white mostly Afrikanner industry is ahead of Nigeria due to hundreds of years of unhindered support from the Brits/french/israelis and europeans.

lezz:
And here comes the citation destitute.

your have successfully killed the relevance of source;.. and since you have the reputation of disputing valid links and sources with lame tact, you shall have no more source for the time being.

HERE ARE THE FACTS: The SANDF is recruiting now and the quest for skilled personell is high on their list.


the SOUTH AFRICAN GOVERNMENT WENT TO ANGOLA somewhere this year AND ACKNOLEDGED ANGOLA'S HEROICS IN THE WAY.

you can consult your government archives now

If they are facts as you claim then your citations should be unassailable

So provide them

Henry120:


We build sattelites why would we need to strap D-30's to trucks?


The white mostly Afrikanner industry is ahead of Nigeria due to hundreds of years of unhindered support from the Brits/french/israelis and europeans.

And yet south africa - as a nation- is far more innovative than nigeria


These are the facts.

patches689:


And yet the facts are this:

1. Restarting Rooivalk production is being seriously considered

2. SAAF has a minimum of 14 Gripen pilots. We are also outfitting the Gripen with a suite of indigenous weapons systems

3. Project Biro is in its closing stages. Tenders for 3 frigate sized OPVs will be announced after june 30

4. Nigeria orderd less than 40 helicopters - the majority of which are based on an utterly obsolete system that the Russians are in the process of retiring

So, little black boy - how does it feel having a 3rd world airforce composed of new helicopters that manage to be obsolete?

You wanna talk about how we roll?

You wanted new jets - you got 12 ancient F7s

We bough over 50 - including one of the most advanced fighters in Africa

You wanted to grow your heli-lift and you get less than 40 obsolete platforms

We wanted to do the same - we upgrade and purchase over 90 helicopters

You wanted to grow your navy - you got some ancient donated cutters and 2 cheap gunboats

We wanted to grow our navy - we got 4 of the most advances frigates in africa (at that time) and 3 submarines

You wanted to grow your armies armored capabilities - you get (a maximum of) 56 obsolete t72s and 6 or so obsolete btr-4s

We got 236 of the most advaced IFVs in Africa

You are nothing compared to us, never have been and never will be. You are simply too poor.

1. You have 10 half-french attack Helicopters, nothing is been seriously considered. Your project biro was seriously considered.......... 23 years later, no project biro.


2. You have 9 Gripen pilots for 26 planes after 16 years, Shame!!!!

3. 23 years and counting....... i'll be keeping numbers.

4. Nigeria bought 40 of some of the world's most advanced, vastly operated attack Helicopters. That's how we roll mixed race pig.

5. You bought 26 Fighter planes, and can only raise 9 pilots for your fleet. Bravo!!

6. You only have 10 half-french obsolete helicopters not even the SAAF wants, in service.

7. We grew an Navy that includes over 300 crafts, 2 stealth OPV's, and long endurance cutters and Helicopters. That's how to grow a Navy which already includes a Frigate, 4 Corvettes and 6 missile crafts.

8. We procured over 150 tanks, IFV's, over 300 MRAPS, 10 CH-3A's as a basic stop grap measure...... Army fleet recapitalization exercise would be mammoth in size.

9. You only have 5 patria IFV's in service. The SANDF is a poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly skilled force.

The Nigerian Army is on a whole nother level.

patches689:


And yet south africa - as a nation- is far more innovative than nigeria


These are the facts.

South-Africa is the most un-equal country on earth. With an impoverished black population and a minority wealthy white population.

That's nothing to be proud of.

Nigeria is the world 21st largest economy and on course to be Africa's trillion dollar and only super-power.

jln115:

"Don't worry, you would soon be ordering OPV's, corvettes and Frigates from Nigeria"
Naa.....We will start building our own in the next few months.

You are building nothing a few months time. Your comatose project biro is set to begin in 2018.

Thiza:
SOUTH AFRICAN NAVY DIVERS....SOON WOULD BE HELPING NIGERIA

@thiza... u need more than this(clean stream and kits) a make a good diver... wen it comes to the sea, NN has it. they are not even up to the amphibious hit men in the nigerian army. this guys up in those pix cant survive the gulf of guinea. so just base your arguement on your army, there you have more power..

Henry120:


1. You have 10 half-french attack Helicopters, nothing is been seriously considered. Your project biro was seriously considered.......... 23 years later, no project biro.


2. You have 9 Gripen pilots for 26 planes after 16 years, Shame!!!!

3. 23 years and counting....... i'll be keeping numbers.

4. Nigeria bought 40 of some of the world's most advanced, vastly operated attack Helicopters. That's how we roll mixed race pig.

5. You bought 26 Fighter planes, and can only raise 9 pilots for your fleet. Bravo!!

6. You only have 10 half-french obsolete helicopters not even the SAAF wants, in service.

7. We grew an Navy that includes over 300 crafts, 2 stealth OPV's, and long endurance cutters and Helicopters. That's how to grow a Navy which already includes a Frigate, 4 Corvettes and 6 missile crafts.

8. We procured over 150 tanks, IFV's, over 300 MRAPS, 10 CH-3A's as a basic stop grap measure...... Army fleet recapitalization exercise would be mammoth in size.

9. You only have 5 patria IFV's in service. The SANDF is a poorly trained, poorly equipped and poorly skilled force.

The Nigerian Army is on a whole nother level.

1. And yet, in reality, Denel and the SANDF are discussing an upgrade to existing platforms and are engaging partners in the long term of objective of restarting production. This is not opinion. This is fact
1a. Project Biro tenders will be released after June 30th. This is not opinion. This is fact

2. Realistic number is 14 Gripen pilots - for a platform that is not fully operational yet.

3. Project Biro has been shelved for the majority of those years and was only re-opened recently when the need for OPV's arose. This is not opinion. This is fact.

4. Hind is advanced? How?

5. 14 Pilots currently, more and more each year.

6. SAAF purchased or upgraded over 90 helicopters under the Arms deal. This is not opinion. This is fact.

7. Nigerian navy has no operational missile armed warships. Your biggest operational vessels are over 50 years old. You dont have a navy - you have a coast guard. Again, this is not opinion. This is fact

8. You orderd 56 tanks and 198 MRAPS. This is not opinion - this is fact

9. 236 Patria IFV's ordered and to be built in South Africa with South African components and design. This is not opinion. This is fact
9a. The average SANDF soldier spends twice as long in training, has access to more advanced training equipment and has three times the ammount of money spent on him than the average Nigerian soldier. This is not opinion. This is fact.

Your army is a mismatched collection of cold war relics that had to rely on mercenaries to beat boko haram

Your airforce is a mismatched collection of cold war relics - the majority of which is un-airworthy

Your navy is not a navy but a coast guard

Your problem, not mine.

Henry120:


South-Africa is the most un-equal country on earth. With an impoverished black population and a minority wealthy white population.

That's nothing to be proud of.

Nigeria is the world 21st largest economy and on course to be Africa's trillion dollar and only super-power.

How does this have anything to do with innovation?

South Africa has 3x the wealth of Nigeria, actual force projection and a far more advanced economy.

You call yourself a Super Power yet you are unable to quell instability in your own country.

Nigeria is a joke.

Henry120:


You are building nothing a few months time. Your comatose project biro is set to begin in 2018.

No we are set to receive the first vessel in 2018.

MikeCZAR:
. Your Gulma is nothing impressive.

Sudan builds MANPADS and self propelled howitzers!

Your navy? You mean the sea arm of your armed forces which funnily enough can't wage a conventional war at sea.

An unbalanced navy when comparing surface and sub-surface.

So Uganda has a better air force than Nigeria? Scared of the RBK-250-275 cluster bombs?

Sudan does not build anything electronically advanced, Nigeria is building satellites, we build robots, we build one of the best drones in Africa.

Nigerian navy has the biggest fleet in Africa after Egypt, and the only navy to ever build part of a modern stealth warship in Africa.

Nigerian navy has missile frigate and anti-submarine helicopters in reserve, not active because there is no need or threat.

South African navy has woken up to see that submarines are useless against the current threats existing in Africa, you now struggle to buy OPV when you are already broke.

Uganda has a better air force than South Africa, they have air to surface/anti-radar missiles, SAAF has NOTHING in the class of Uganda
.

MikeCZAR:
Beats Libyan air defence system how? Go into detail augubugubu.

You made the first claim, so you use your own time to go into detail of how Libya's crumbled ancient air defence system is better than tahat of Nigeria....you started the argument and made the first claim....so prove it....go into details
.

patches689:


Who said the Mirage F1 ran away?

Evidence has been posted that they were flying sorties until the end of the war.

Why do you keep telling lies?

Cuban MiG-23 shot down South African Mirage F1, and SAAF failed to down a single MiG-23.

Cuba won the air war, South Africa lost and resorted to air sorties that does NOT involve air to air combat.....cowards
.

patches689:


Gulma drone is a direct copy of an isrealy drone

Citation needed
.

patches689:


South Africa has a better airforce and navy than Nigeria

NAF has air to surface missiles, SAAF has none.

NAF has missile armed drones, SAAF has none.

NAF has ATR-42 battlefield surveillance, MPA, and ISTAR aircraft with radar range to search the battlefield over 300 km away, SAAF has none.

NAF has Beechcraft ISTAR aircraft for battlefield surveillance and ISTAR, ground radar range 80 km, SAAF has none.

NAF has over 60 assault/attack/armed transport/armoured airframe helicopters, SAAF has 12.

NAF has 170 air to air missiles for jet fighters, SAAF has 25 missiles

NAF has flown over 6,000 combat sorties in 6 months, SAAF has flown ZERO combat sorties in 20 years
.

patches689:


And yet south africa - as a nation- is far more innovative than nigeria

These are the facts.

Yet your Zulus accuse Somalians of taking away your jobs, you cannot innovate jobs for your own people

Since war ravaged Somalian refugees are ruling your local South African commerce, you must be very very retaaaaaaaarded creatures
.

patches689:


Because we are building a domestic air defence system composed of VSHORAD, CRAM and tactical air defence missiles.


We are in no rush and the program is developing nicely

Nigeria too is building it's military with new weapons seen arriving all over the place.

Today, SANDF has one of the worst air defence in Africa...1km max ceiling missile
.

patches689:


How does this have anything to do with innovation?

South Africa has 3x the wealth of Nigeria, actual force projection and a far more advanced economy.

You call yourself a Super Power yet you are unable to quell instability in your own country.

Nigeria is a joke.

South-Africa is a basket case. Your mentally handicapped citizens are only concerned about killing somalis and zimbabweans.

A country where 5% of the population runs 90% of the economy. On the other hand, Nigeria runs a federation, with each state having an independent budget, able to generate it's own wealth, seperate from the Federal government.

The Nigerian economy is the largest in Africa, the most sophisticated, the most diversified economy in Africa. Nigerian companies dominate the African continent.

Nigeria is on path to become Africa's only super-power. We have an insurgency we have dealth considerably with. Turkey, Europe's 6th largest economy has been fighting an insurgency for 50 years and counting, India has the world's 4th largest military, but they've been fighting an insurgency for over 20 years, Spain only got reprieve after a political settlement with ETA, the Brits only came to a political settlement after 27years of fighting. The U.S, the world's only super-power has been engaged in insurgencies for over 20 years.

Nigeria with Africa's largest economy is the only politically and economically relevant country on the African continent.

agaugust:


Nigeria too is building it's military with new weapons seen arriving all over the place.

Today, SANDF has one of the worst air defence in Africa...1km max ceiling missile
.

Dude the Umkhonto IR has a 8km ceiling, so I don't know were you get your 1km from.

Dedicated to @Agaugust

SANDF Air Defence:

.

Henry120:


South-Africa is a basket case. Your mentally handicapped citizens are only concerned about killing somalis and zimbabweans.

A country where 5% of the population runs 90% of the economy. On the other hand, Nigeria runs a federation, with each state having an independent budget, able to generate it's own wealth, seperate from the Federal government.

The Nigerian economy is the largest in Africa, the most sophisticated, the most diversified economy in Africa. Nigerian companies dominate the African continent.

Nigeria is on path to become Africa's only super-power. We have an insurgency we have dealth considerably with. Turkey, Europe's 6th largest economy has been fighting an insurgency for 50 years and counting, India has the world's 4th largest economy, but they been fighting an insurgency for over 20 years, Spain only got reprieve after a political settlement with ETA, the Brits only came to a political settlement after 27years of fighting. The U.S, the world's only super-power has been engaged in insurgencies for over 20 years.

Nigeria with Africa's largest economy is the only politically and economically relevant country on the African continent.

lol...

Henry120:


Soweto r3tard!

SAAF isn't getting anymore Half-french Helicopters, if you were, you won't have only 10 in active service.


When Nigerian went to the market to purchase Helicopters, Africa felt it. 40 attack/Transport Helicopters in all, excluding up-grades done to NAF super-Puma's.

-12 MI-35M and 12 MI-171sh Terminator

-At least 8 MI-24v Helicopters and MI-17 from ukraine

-12 MI-35p from belarus.

-At leat 8 Gazelle Helicopters for Army Air corps.

* drones and additional survelliance planes not added.

* watch this space, the Nigerian Army Air corps is seriously considering the TAI T129 ATAK Helicopter.


This is how we ball bi.tch !!


Yes, I know how the SAAF spent money on jets it cannot afford, it cannot fly and cannot keep in the air. 9 pilots in 16 years isn't actually a stellar record.

We also know how your project biro is about to celebrate it's 23 birthday as a colossal pipe dream. TBH, i'm genuinely concerned.


So, white boy, what is going to replace your half-french helicopter?

Wipe your tears mate!

Second hand backyard from the metal yard!

Relax and watch how real navies acquire new ships.

Surprise headed your way

Henry120:


We are currently designing our satellites, UAVs and propulsion systems.


Anybody can strap a D-30 to the back of a kamaz 6x6, if this is what you call innovation, then you are actually more r3tarded than actually thought.

Nigeria is the most innovative country in Africa. Don't worry, you would soon be ordering OPV's, corvettes and Frigates from Nigeria.

Sudan makes missiles!

And yes that's innovation soon you'll see a Sudanese howitzer.

China is building the OPV were hoping to wield machine gun mounts to

Watch the most powerful country in Africa builds its OPVs and IPVs.

Well honestly speaking, when it comes to Radar and Air defense I give it to the Russians, But Western Jets have almost always proven to be Superior when it comes to Actual Combat, the F-15 is probably the greatest Fighter jet to ever exist when you consider its incredible Combat Record no Russian Fighter jet comes close to it.

Plus the First Jet Fighter Ace was an American.
Who shot down Russian Jets.

lezz:
of course Mandela formed the sandf with zulu freedom fighters, reason for your shotage of skilled men.

ALRIGHT, whatever name your military was known by , SANDF, SADF or ZULU RESISTANCE ARMY, they were humiliated in angola with Botha scurrying to boost the morals of men who were being taught a bitter lesson by teenage Cuban pilots and little Angola.

Let's go into detail.

SADF conscripts were in their early 20s.

Cuba sent 20 000 plus troops to Angola to deal with a force 3800 SADF and SWATF men.

Who's today going after SA trained soldiers to help them?

Henry120:


You are building nothing a few months time. Your comatose project biro is set to begin in 2018.

2018 SAN receives a new OPVs!

agaugust:


Sudan does not build anything electronically advanced, Nigeria is building satellites, we build robots, we build one of the best drones in Africa.

Nigerian navy has the biggest fleet in Africa after Egypt, and the only navy to ever build part of a modern stealth warship in Africa.

Nigerian navy has missile frigate and anti-submarine helicopters in reserve, not active because there is no need or threat.

South African navy has woken up to see that submarines are useless against the current threats existing in Africa, you now struggle to buy OPV when you are already broke.

Uganda has a better air force than South Africa, they have air to surface/anti-radar missiles, SAAF has NOTHING in the class of Uganda
.

Sudan builds MANPADS!

Your navy is a coast guard and has no fighting capabilities. Even if they were in reserve it would mean your crews receive no training.

So air to surface to anti-radiation which were brought to your attention by the ZA, means Uganda's air force is better?

agaugust:


You made the first claim, so you use your own time to go into detail of how Libya's crumbled ancient air defence system is better than tahat of Nigeria....you started the argument and made the first claim....so prove it....go into details
.

Nigeria has no deployable air defence system.

The Nigerian military can't even put an air defence umbrella over land the size of Borno state. And maintain air space and traffic control.

agaugust:


NAF has air to surface missiles, SAAF has none.

NAF has missile armed drones, SAAF has none.

NAF has ATR-42 battlefield surveillance, MPA, and ISTAR aircraft with radar range to search the battlefield over 300 km away, SAAF has none.

NAF has Beechcraft ISTAR aircraft for battlefield surveillance and ISTAR, ground radar range 80 km, SAAF has none.

NAF has over 60 assault/attack/armed transport/armoured airframe helicopters, SAAF has 12.

NAF has 170 air to air missiles for jet fighters, SAAF has 25 missiles

NAF has flown over 6,000 combat sorties in 6 months, SAAF has flown ZERO combat sorties in 20 years
.

But NAF can't deploy in a contested air space!

Doctrine and training > Experience.

agaugust:


Nigeria too is building it's military with new weapons seen arriving all over the place.

Today, SANDF has one of the worst air defence in Africa...1km max ceiling missile
.

You're building nothing!

T-72: From Europe.
MRAPS: South Africa and China.
OPVs: China.
Helicopters: China.

Ever heard about low level air defence?

The guns and missiles are a small part of the system.