agaugust:


Citation needed.

You think every country is dumb like South Africa that spent 7 years to change one submarine battery?
.

How long does it train a crew from scratch?

patches689:


1. And yet, in reality, Denel and the SANDF are discussing an upgrade to existing platforms and are engaging partners in the long term of objective of restarting production. This is not opinion. This is fact
1a. Project Biro tenders will be released after June 30th. This is not opinion. This is fact

2. Realistic number is 14 Gripen pilots - for a platform that is not fully operational yet.

3. Project Biro has been shelved for the majority of those years and was only re-opened recently when the need for OPV's arose. This is not opinion. This is fact.

4. Hind is advanced? How?

5. 14 Pilots currently, more and more each year.

6. SAAF purchased or upgraded over 90 helicopters under the Arms deal. This is not opinion. This is fact.

7. Nigerian navy has no operational missile armed warships. Your biggest operational vessels are over 50 years old. You dont have a navy - you have a coast guard. Again, this is not opinion. This is fact

8. You orderd 56 tanks and 198 MRAPS. This is not opinion - this is fact

9. 236 Patria IFV's ordered and to be built in South Africa with South African components and design. This is not opinion. This is fact
9a. The average SANDF soldier spends twice as long in training, has access to more advanced training equipment and has three times the ammount of money spent on him than the average Nigerian soldier. This is not opinion. This is fact.

Your army is a mismatched collection of cold war relics that had to rely on mercenaries to beat boko haram

Your airforce is a mismatched collection of cold war relics - the majority of which is un-airworthy

Your navy is not a navy but a coast guard

Your problem, not mine.

- you're taking the extra export to be more delusional today, I'll give you that, and for your extra effort, I'll oblige.

Denel requires 100 orders to restart your Half-french line. Whose going to order your obsolete Helicopter over the Apache, tiger, MI-28, Mi-35m, T-129, Z-10...... Nobody!! Wake up.

- Project biro is 23years old, this is a fact!!!

- you have 9 pilots for 26 planes. you have an even serve shortage of actual qualified pilots.

- your Project biro has always been in comatose.

- the Nigerian Airforce MI-35m is the most advanced attack helicopter in Sub-saharan Africa, only second behind the egyptian Apache in Africa.

- the Nigerian Navy has 1 Frigate, 4 corvettes and 6 missile crafts in service. Assets which can be called upon if and when the need Arises. "Nobody uses a Dynamite to deal with a rat problem".

The Nigerian Navy has a force tairlored to deal with it's requirements, as such the Navy boosts of over 300 vessels, IPVs, MPVs, OPV's and long endurance cutters. The Nigerian Navy is an efficient properly excuted force.

- the Nigerian Army ordered at-least 200 T-72 tanks from the Czech republic, Ukraine, belarus. The Army also ordered at-least 300 MRAPs, 120 CS/VP3's from china, 50+ Reva's from ICP, 120+ Igirigi and Streit MK3's.

This is a fact.

- you only have 5 Patria IFV's in service. The Afrikanner industry is adding turrets, Bravo! You sure showed them.

The SANDF is a poorly equipped, poorly trained force lacking in skill and ethos required of a proper military.

Your very own defence minister took the words right from my mouth,


Mapisa-Nqakula -- stated unambiguously that the SANDF was in a state of decline characterised by force imbalance between capabilities, ageing technology, and unaffordability of many of its main operating systems.


Furthermore,

"Unfortunately, the SANDF is already sitting with an array of expensive hardware that it cannot deploy, either because it lacks the skilled crews – or because it can’t afford the running costs."

agaugust:


Yes bra, it is

That's how our stealth OPV started too bra....it sails around the world today

Cool customs boat

Where do the blue and res flashing lights go? How loud are the sirens?

patches689:


Do you have proof of any of your claims?

You were the one making claims , I asked you to prove it, then you ran into hiding. Burden of proof was on your cowardly head.

patches689:


Cool customs boat

Where do the blue and res flashing lights go? How loud are the sirens?

South Africa is dying to have one stealth OPV like Nigeria, you envy NNS Centenary and keep boasting about project Biro OPV deal that is already jinxed by Harry Porter's witchcraft
.

Henry120:


- you're taking the extra export to be more delusional today, I'll give you that, and for your extra effort, I'll oblige.

Denel requires 100 orders to restart your Half-french line. Whose going to order your obsolete Helicopter over the Apache, tiger, MI-28, Mi-35m, T-129, Z-10...... Nobody!! Wake up.

- Project biro is 23years old, this is a fact!!!

- you have 9 pilots for 26 planes. you have an even serve shortage of actual qualified pilots.

- your Project biro has always been in comatose.

- the Nigerian Airforce MI-35m is the most advanced attack helicopter in Sub-saharan Africa, only second behind the egyptian Apache in Africa.

- the Nigerian Navy has 1 Frigate, 4 corvettes and 6 missile crafts in service. Assets which can be called upon if and when the need Arises. "Nobody uses a Dynamite to deal with a rat problem".

The Nigerian Navy has a force tairlored to deal with it's requirements, as such the Navy boosts of over 300 vessels, IPVs, MPVs, OPV's and long endurance cutters. The Nigerian Navy is an efficient properly excuted force.

- the Nigerian Army ordered at-least 200 T-72 tanks from the Czech republic, Ukraine, belarus. The Army also ordered at-least 300 MRAPs, 120 CS/VP3's from china, 50+ Reva's from ICP, 120+ Igirigi and Streit MK3's.

This is a fact.

- you only have 5 Patria IFV's in service. The Afrikanner industry is adding turrets, Bravo! You sure showed them.

The SANDF is a poorly equipped, poorly trained force lacking in skill and ethos required of a proper military.

Your very own defence minister took the words right from my mouth,


Mapisa-Nqakula -- stated unambiguously that the SANDF was in a state of decline characterised by force imbalance between capabilities, ageing technology, and unaffordability of many of its main operating systems.


Furthermore,

"Unfortunately, the SANDF is already sitting with an array of expensive hardware that it cannot deploy, either because it lacks the skilled crews – or because it can’t afford the running costs."

Nice yarn !
.

Henry120:


- you're taking the extra export to be more delusional today, I'll give you that, and for your extra effort, I'll oblige.

Denel requires 100 orders to restart your Half-french line. Whose going to order your obsolete Helicopter over the Apache, tiger, MI-28, Mi-35m, T-129, Z-10...... Nobody!! Wake up.

- Project biro is 23years old, this is a fact!!!

- you have 9 pilots for 26 planes. you have an even serve shortage of actual qualified pilots.

- your Project biro has always been in comatose.

- the Nigerian Airforce MI-35m is the most advanced attack helicopter in Sub-saharan Africa, only second behind the egyptian Apache in Africa.

- the Nigerian Navy has 1 Frigate, 4 corvettes and 6 missile crafts in service. Assets which can be called upon if and when the need Arises. "Nobody uses a Dynamite to deal with a rat problem".

The Nigerian Navy has a force tairlored to deal with it's requirements, as such the Navy boosts of over 300 vessels, IPVs, MPVs, OPV's and long endurance cutters. The Nigerian Navy is an efficient properly excuted force.

- the Nigerian Army ordered at-least 200 T-72 tanks from the Czech republic, Ukraine, belarus. The Army also ordered at-least 300 MRAPs, 120 CS/VP3's from china, 50+ Reva's from ICP, 120+ Igirigi and Streit MK3's.

This is a fact.

- you only have 5 Patria IFV's in service. The Afrikanner industry is adding turrets, Bravo! You sure showed them.

The SANDF is a poorly equipped, poorly trained force lacking in skill and ethos required of a proper military.

Your very own defence minister took the words right from my mouth,


Mapisa-Nqakula -- stated unambiguously that the SANDF was in a state of decline characterised by force imbalance between capabilities, ageing technology, and unaffordability of many of its main operating systems.


Furthermore,

"Unfortunately, the SANDF is already sitting with an array of expensive hardware that it cannot deploy, either because it lacks the skilled crews – or because it can’t afford the running costs."

- how is the hind the most advances? How? How? How?

- 14 operational gripen = minimum of 14 pilots. Logic.

- 56 t72s ordered. Just over a hundred MRAPs have been orderd or received. Fact.

- your only warships are mothballed. Non operational. Fact.

- your navy has no warships, hence, it is a coast guard. Fact.

-236 badger IFVs ordered - 70% South African content. Extensivly redesigned by South African defence industry. Fact.

I trade in facts. Not opinion. Not feelings.

patches689:


No citations and emotive language

Your government is so broke you need to borrow money to pay peoples salaries - 80% of your revenue comes from oil.

Your country is a joke.

The Federal government has provision to borrow 4.5 billion dollars in the National budget. It is simply routine borrowing. Basic economics.

your country is in a pathetic state. Your mentally handicapped country men believe somalis and zimbabweans who run petty shops in the streets are to blame for their lack of ability to think.

Only South-Africans applaud utter stup1dity and self delusion.

Congrats !!!

agaugust:


South Africa is dying to have one stealth OPV like Nigeria, you envy NNS Centenary and keep boasting about project Biro OPV deal that is already jinxed by Harry Porter's witchcraft
.

Last i checked -We have 4 missile armed stealth frigates

So tell me, does your customs boat have special equipment to issue speeding tickets?

Henry120:


The Federal government has provision to borrow 4.5 billion dollars in the National budget. It is simply routine borrowing. Basic economics.

your country is in a pathetic state. Your mentally handicapped country men believe somalis and zimbabweans who run petty shops in the streets are to blame for their lack of ability to think.

Only South-Africans applaud utter stup1dity and self delusion.

Congrats !!!

Your government is so broke it has to borrow money to pay peoples wages. Fact.

MikeCZAR:
I understand.

From your backyards purchases mentality it is difficult for you to comprehend how SA defence procurement system works.

Procuring 26 Fighters when you can only train 9 pilots can't be referred to as smart, maybe it is south-african smart, but the rest of the world disagrees.

Neither is procuring Submarines only for it to turn out it's piracy, considered smart.

Your government carries out procurments without thinking.

MikeCZAR:
Says the men who supports his country acquiring systems from companies who offer complete or total solutions and aren't the OEM(Original equipment manufacture).

Meaning the possibilities of them supporting the systems you acquire throughout their service life is low and unlikely.

Real silver back!

White pig....... Make a coherent post, it shouldn't be that hard.

patches689:


Your government is so broke it has to borrow money to pay peoples wages. Fact.

The U.S holds 13 trillion in foreign debts.

Henry120:


Procuring 26 Fighters when you can only train 9 pilots can't be referred to as smart, maybe it is south-african smart, but the rest of the world disagrees.

Neither is procuring Submarines only for it to turn out it's piracy, considered smart.

Your government carries out procurments without thinking.

14 pilots as it stands. Gripen airframe has a life of 40 years. We have time and there is no need to rush.

We bought submarines and frigates because a navys primary job is fight wars. Secondary role is piracy and last i checked - there is no pircay in our waters.

Henry120:


White pig....... Make a coherent post, it shouldn't be that hard.

Whats with the racism? Black monkey.

Henry120:


The U.S holds 13 trillion in foreign debts.

And so? Are you america?

patches689:



- how is the hind the most advances? How? How? How?

- 14 operational gripen = minimum of 14 pilots. Logic.

- 56 t72s ordered. Just over a hundred MRAPs have been orderd or received. Fact.

- your only warships are mothballed. Non operational. Fact.

- your navy has no warships, hence, it is a coast guard. Fact.

-236 badger IFVs ordered - 70% South African content. Extensivly redesigned by South African defence industry. Fact.

I trade in facts. Not opinion. Not feelings.

Cry me a river...... Go rant to your defence minister.



- you're taking the extra export to be more delusional today, I'll give you that, and for your extra effort, I'll oblige.

Denel requires 100 orders to restart your Half-french line. Whose going to order your obsolete Helicopter over the Apache, tiger, MI-28, Mi-35m, T-129, Z-10...... Nobody!! Wake up.

- Project biro is 23years old, this is a fact!!!

- you have 9 pilots for 26 planes. you have an even serve shortage of actual qualified pilots.

- your Project biro has always been in comatose.

- the Nigerian Airforce MI-35m is the most advanced attack helicopter in Sub-saharan Africa, only second behind the egyptian Apache in Africa.

- the Nigerian Navy has 1 Frigate, 4 corvettes and 6 missile crafts in service. Assets which can be called upon if and when the need Arises. "Nobody uses a Dynamite to deal with a rat problem".

The Nigerian Navy has a force tairlored to deal with it's requirements, as such the Navy boosts of over 300 vessels, IPVs, MPVs, OPV's and long endurance cutters. The Nigerian Navy is an efficient properly excuted force.

- the Nigerian Army ordered at-least 200 T-72 tanks from the Czech republic, Ukraine, belarus. The Army also ordered at-least 300 MRAPs, 120 CS/VP3's from china, 50+ Reva's from ICP, 120+ Igirigi and Streit MK3's.

This is a fact.

- you only have 5 Patria IFV's in service. The Afrikanner industry is adding turrets, Bravo! You sure showed them.

The SANDF is a poorly equipped, poorly trained force lacking in skill and ethos required of a proper military.

Your very own defence minister took the words right from my mouth,


Mapisa-Nqakula -- stated unambiguously that the SANDF was in a state of decline characterised by force imbalance between capabilities, ageing technology, and unaffordability of many of its main operating systems.


Furthermore,

"Unfortunately, the SANDF is already sitting with an array of expensive hardware that it cannot deploy, either because it lacks the skilled crews – or because it can’t afford the running costs."

patches689:


Whats with the racism? Black monkey.

Half and half pig....... Go read his comment, the white pig started with the racism.

patches689:


14 pilots as it stands. Gripen airframe has a life of 40 years. We have time and there is no need to rush.

We bought submarines and frigates because a navys primary job is fight wars. Secondary role is piracy and last i checked - there is no pircay in our waters.

9 pilots, at this rate, you'll have your full compliment of pilots in year 2050.

The Navy's job is to protect the country's water ways against threats to it's well being , not to buy frigates and submarines it cannot afford you fool.

There is piracy off the coast of mozambique, somalia and the gulf of guinea fool, threats which can affect south-african mineral exports.

Henry120:


Cry me a river...... Go rant to your defence minister.



- you're taking the extra export to be more delusional today, I'll give you that, and for your extra effort, I'll oblige.

Denel requires 100 orders to restart your Half-french line. Whose going to order your obsolete Helicopter over the Apache, tiger, MI-28, Mi-35m, T-129, Z-10...... Nobody!! Wake up.

- Project biro is 23years old, this is a fact!!!

- you have 9 pilots for 26 planes. you have an even serve shortage of actual qualified pilots.

- your Project biro has always been in comatose.

- the Nigerian Airforce MI-35m is the most advanced attack helicopter in Sub-saharan Africa, only second behind the egyptian Apache in Africa.

- the Nigerian Navy has 1 Frigate, 4 corvettes and 6 missile crafts in service. Assets which can be called upon if and when the need Arises. "Nobody uses a Dynamite to deal with a rat problem".

The Nigerian Navy has a force tairlored to deal with it's requirements, as such the Navy boosts of over 300 vessels, IPVs, MPVs, OPV's and long endurance cutters. The Nigerian Navy is an efficient properly excuted force.

- the Nigerian Army ordered at-least 200 T-72 tanks from the Czech republic, Ukraine, belarus. The Army also ordered at-least 300 MRAPs, 120 CS/VP3's from china, 50+ Reva's from ICP, 120+ Igirigi and Streit MK3's.

This is a fact.

- you only have 5 Patria IFV's in service. The Afrikanner industry is adding turrets, Bravo! You sure showed them.

The SANDF is a poorly equipped, poorly trained force lacking in skill and ethos required of a proper military.

Your very own defence minister took the words right from my mouth,


Mapisa-Nqakula -- stated unambiguously that the SANDF was in a state of decline characterised by force imbalance between capabilities, ageing technology, and unaffordability of many of its main operating systems.


Furthermore,

"Unfortunately, the SANDF is already sitting with an array of expensive hardware that it cannot deploy, either because it lacks the skilled crews – or because it can’t afford the running costs."

So your argument is so weak that all you are able to do is repost the post that i just completely debunked

Pathetic

Henry120:


Half and half pig....... Go read his comment, the white pig started with the racism.

Your racist tendancies are well documented

Bigots are usally very simple peopele. You fit the mold well.

Henry120:


9 pilots, at this rate, you'll have your full compliment of pilots in year 2050.

The Navy's job is to protect the country's water ways against threats to it's well being against threats, not to buy frigates and submarines it cannot afford you fool.

There is piracy off the coast of mozambique, somalia and the gulf of guinea fool, threats which can affect south-african mineral exports.

Who says 9 pilots?



How do we have 14 operational gripen with 9 pilots?

Who says we cant afford the frigates and subs? Have you not seen their massive operational tempo?

A navys role maritime warfare

A coast gaurds role is maritime patrol and policing

You have a coast gaurd we have a navy.

patches689:


Your racist tendancies are well documented

Bigots are usally very simple peopele. You fit the mold well.

Far from it, I'm not racist.

However, the thing is........... respect is reciprocal. If mikeczar or you makes a racist comment like you now frequently do, it is only fitting that i also reply with a racist remark.

It is usually you guys who start with the racism, when I reply, you then turn around and accuse me of been racist.

It's only natural that if you denounce your racist tendencies, I'll also oblige.

*Jln115 never makes racist remarks, neither do i to him.

patches689:


So your argument is so weak that all you are able to do is repost the post that i just completely debunked

Pathetic

Ever heard never change a winning team?

You debunked nothing as all my arguments are accurate to the full stop

EVarn:
An unbiased patriot.
Perhaps you could do a fair job of constricting your understandable verbal rebukes to a more secluded medium,But I must admit that it is quite rare to encounter people who are not distracted by misguided attacks against their ideology and personality.

@ervan... what we africans face today is as a result of the failures of african leaders... we need to distance ourselves from their failures. i strongly condemn this kind of argument, its unhealthy. Africa is faced with "Xenophobic" attacks in south africa and this kind of argument won't help us at all.

patches689:


Who says 9 pilots?



How do we have 14 operational gripen with 9 pilots?

Who says we cant afford the frigates and subs? Have you not seen their massive operational tempo?

A navys role maritime warfare

A coast gaurds role is maritime patrol and policing

You have a coast gaurd we have a navy.

You have 26 Gripen jets in SAAF service.

How do you have 26 Gripen jets in service with 14 pilots?

- your defence minister confirms so unambiguously. Your defence minister over your little irrelevant opinion any day.

- the Nigerian Navy is a well rounded Navy which consists of fighting and long endurance ships. Assets which can be called upon to deal with threats any threat at sea be it an invasion of other hostile navies or pirates.

Nigeria has NIMASA as it's coast guard.

ukemeramat:

@ervan.. what we africans face today is as a result of the failures of african leaders...we need to distance ourselves from their failures.i strongly condemn this kind of argument,its unhealthy.Africa is faced with "Xenophobic" attacks in south africa and this kind of argument won't help us at all.

Yet we hail the visionless leaders who initiated this whole sinister hurricane of continental disaster,we enshrine them as heroes and elevate them to the status demi-gods.
I once heard a speech given by Alh. Sir Amadu Bello{Former Premiere of Northern Nigeria},and I was shocked at the religious/tribalist vituperations and incitive statements that composed the bulk of his speech:
"The new entity called Nigeria is an estate of our father Uthman dan Fodio...."{an excerpt from the speech given by Alh. Sir Amadu Bello}
.
This were the people who plunged our continent into the blazing cyclone of destruction and serial backwardness it is today,yet we hail them as heroes

Henry120:


Ever heard never change a winning team?

You debunked nothing as all my arguments are accurate to the full stop

There is not a single fact in them.

Only emotion and opinion.

I deal in facts. You deal in hurt feelings.

Henry120:


You have 26 Gripen jets in SAAF service.

How do you have 26 Gripen jets in service with 14 pilots?

- your defence minister confirms so unambiguously. Your defence minister over your little irrelevant opinion any day.

- the Nigerian Navy is a well rounded Navy which consists of fighting and long endurance ships. Assets which can be called upon to deal with threats any threat at sea be it an invasion of other hostile navies or pirates.

Nigeria has NIMASA as it's coast guard.

26 Jets in service. 14 Operational.

- Defence minister confirms that the SANDF is overstretched that is impacting training. Her assessment is based on our high standards. If she were Nigerian, she would have shot herself after reviewing the state of your armed forces.

- Nigeria has no operational warships. You are completely unable to resist any conventional threat. FULL STOP.

You have a coast guard not a navy.

EVarn:
Yet we hail the visionless leaders who initiated this whole sinister hurricane of continental disaster,we enshrine them as heroes and elevate them to the status demi-gods.
I once heard a speech given by Alh. Sir Amadu Bello{Former Premiere of Northern Nigeria},and I was shocked at the religious/tribalist vituperations and incitive statements that composed the bulk of his speech:
"The new entity called Nigeria is an estate of our father Uthman dan Fodio...."{an excerpt from the speech given by Alh. Sir Amadu Bello}
.
This were the people who plunged our continent into the blazing cyclone of destruction and serial backwardness it is today,yet we hail them as heroes

Seconded.

Look at Mugabe - most leaders in the continent worship the ground he walks on.

Despite the fact that he is a dictator, despite the fact that he has personally pillages Zimbabwe's wealth, despite the fact that he has committed genocide and despite the fact that he torpedoed his country's economy they still somehow think he is great.

EVarn:
Yet we hail the visionless leaders who initiated this whole sinister hurricane of continental disaster,we enshrine them as heroes and elevate them to the status demi-gods.
I once heard a speech given by Alh. Sir Amadu Bello{Former Premiere of Northern Nigeria},and I was shocked at the religious/tribalist vituperations and incitive statements that composed the bulk of his speech:
"The new entity called Nigeria is an estate of our father Uthman dan Fodio...."{an excerpt from the speech given by Alh. Sir Amadu Bello}
.
This were the people who plunged our continent into the blazing cyclone of destruction and serial backwardness it is today,yet we hail them as heroes

my brother..please let Sir Amadu bello be... he did his best and so did Nelson Mandella but look at the mercy the present crops of politician called leaders has left of africa that our fore fathers and national heroes bled for. the only way forward is for africa to unit!!!!!!!

EVarn:
Yet we hail the visionless leaders who initiated this whole sinister hurricane of continental disaster,we enshrine them as heroes and elevate them to the status demi-gods.
I once heard a speech given by Alh. Sir Amadu Bello{Former Premiere of Northern Nigeria},and I was shocked at the religious/tribalist vituperations and incitive statements that composed the bulk of his speech:
"The new entity called Nigeria is an estate of our father Uthman dan Fodio...."{an excerpt from the speech given by Alh. Sir Amadu Bello}
.
This were the people who plunged our continent into the blazing cyclone of destruction and serial backwardness it is today,yet we hail them as heroes

my brother..please let Sir Amadu bello be... he did his best and so did Nelson Mandella but look at the mercy the present crops of politician called leaders has left of africa that our fore fathers and national heroes bled for. the only way forward is for africa to unite!!!!!!!