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Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by Nobody: 5:19am On May 09, 2015 |
juman:Yea freedom, buh humans are not truly free, are they? I read up on d number 10 as well... cud u explain y? |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by PassingShot(m): 6:01am On May 09, 2015 |
ADAMUdaCOWBOY: More Libyans than any other nationality die in Mediterranean. Read here:http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/20/world/europe/italy-migrants-capsized-boat-off-libya.html?_r=0 "The fatal shipwreck may prove to be the Mediterranean’s deadliest migrant disaster ever and is only the latest tragedy in Europe’s migration crisis. Warmer spring weather has unleashed a torrent of smuggler boats, mostly from Libya, bearing migrants and refugees from the Middle East and Africa, often fleeing war and poverty for a foothold in Europe". |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by MizMyColi(f): 6:22am On May 09, 2015 |
socialmediaman: People don't just start a revolution because they're fed lies, they have been planning it, and when they see opportunity, they carry it out.. But they can start one, if they are fed half-truths. You don't gerrit Bro. The real world rulers own the media, in all its forms. They understand and would stop at nothing in a bid to unleash its collective power and viability as a means to get the masses to do their bidding. I needn't say more... 1 Like |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by ADAMUdaCOWBOY: 6:47am On May 09, 2015 |
PassingShot:There is no part of the passage that said more libyans died than any nationality. Did you not see 'torrent of smuggler boats' before the bolded? Libya is only a route used by the migrants and the Libyans only serve as human traffickers. The crisis in Libya heightened the activity of the smugglers. Read the below extract from the link you provided: Prime Minister Matteo Renzi of Italy, speaking Sunday, blamed human traffickers who smuggle migrants on rickety ships, describing them as “the slave drivers of the 21st century.” Mr. Renzi conferred with European leaders on Sunday and has called for an emergency summit meeting to discuss the migration crisis and how Europe can help bring political stability to Libya, where criminal smuggling gangs are operating freely. |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by socialmediaman: 7:03am On May 09, 2015 |
I know we're of different opinions on this but let me use a familiar territory to explain my case; Nigeria. I hope you can understand my point in all these even if we belong to different political ideologies: It's not been today people have been calling for a revolution, infact The PDP at some point seemed to be the problem of most Nigerians, not everyone though. Right there on the streets, there are people who are very angry at the rate of embezzlement in the system because it's not getting to them, some don't care because it either gets to them or they believe it's turn by turn, but in all of this, if the majority of the people feel dissatisfied with the system, then when a revolution happens, you can't say it's the Americans that caused it. Let's see how this works: in civil societies like the USA, when people feel dissatisfied like the felt during the George Bush era, they revolt through the ballot. But in societies like the Ghaddaffi era Libya, when you feel dissatisfied, you keep quiet because you have no rights, this is the cause of the problem. You cannot force people to remain where you want them to be when they want to be who they wanna be, especially seeing their counterparts progress in other nations. You can't force people to accept your meager handouts and be thankful when they see you and cronies feast on their common wealth. Call this an American conspiracy, I call this Greed. Journalists had no voice in Libya, the fact that Libyans didn't have rights or voices didn't mean they were not angry about the system. They were only given strength by the American factor in it. So I wonder, what's the half truth we're talking about here? Except you believe in imperialism where a section of people in government should be the ones in control of all the wealth and power while the majority of the citizens only feed on crumbs dished out by these set of people, then I may understand your perspective. So what's the half truth? Hearing that Ghadaffi an his empire members are rich to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars while the average Libyan lives on daily government handouts, is that the half-truth? Knowing that Ghaddafi's sons own all the means of livelihood and you have no hope of even becoming a professional to explore your potentials because you're limited by the system, is that the half-truth? When Goodluck's government was voted out, some people started claiming conspiracy by the American government, these same people didn't claim such when Abacha's government collapsed, they didn't claim such when Buhari's military government collapsed, just because their interest lied with GEJ's government, then they think everyone else was hypnotized to vote him out. Well, I can't say more... MizMyColi: 2 Likes |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by PassingShot(m): 7:04am On May 09, 2015 |
ADAMUdaCOWBOY: I might take time to search for a breakdown of African immigrants (focus on Libya) who have attempted crossing to Europe pre-uprising era and post-uprising era. In the meantime, would you argue that the war in Libya brought about as a result of the revolution that toppled and murdered Gaddafi has not caused an increase in illegal Libya immigrants to Europe? |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by OrlandoOwoh(m): 7:09am On May 09, 2015 |
sebali:Show me where the people said 42 years was enough. Where were they when he spent that number of years? |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by ADAMUdaCOWBOY: 7:11am On May 09, 2015 |
PassingShot:No evidence to prove that. It however increased the activities of the human traffickers as is shown in the passage. |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by Emphany: 7:14am On May 09, 2015 |
socialmediaman:you talk like a coward,must you drag your country through the mud. Its obvious you dont respect your home like Libians respect theirs...Mtschew. |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by socialmediaman: 7:15am On May 09, 2015 |
Libyans had no voices within Libya. It was the foreign media that helped them express their voices outside Libya, especially Libyans living abroad. When the revolution started, that's when they found their voices. OrlandoOwoh: |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by socialmediaman: 7:19am On May 09, 2015 |
I guess those Americans who openly expressed their resentment for the George Bush government to the world's hearing were cowards also. If you wanna keep quiet, please keep quiet, but don't expect others to be as timid or hypocritically pretentious Emphany: |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by babyfaceafrica: 7:26am On May 09, 2015 |
juman:freedon has its consequences..I guess tey are happy naw |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by portside(m): 8:03am On May 09, 2015 |
Op pls move this thread to the front page, This will educate those minds that consumes anything the west say to be true. Its takes a sound and incorruptible mind to decipher what the west intends for we Africans, they will use every means possible to keep us at wherever we are,so that we continue to do their bidding, any African leader that stand to oppose that,will be made to like a tyrant,dictator,weak,clueless, incompetent,corrupt e.t.c, they will use their media houses to sell these propaganda until it will bought over by the followers of that leader, eventually that leader will be chased or killed out of office. #Gadagfileaveson |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by OrlandoOwoh(m): 8:50am On May 09, 2015 |
socialmediaman:Did Libyans tell you they were suffering? Have you seen a pot hole in Libya before? |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by TheOtherview: 9:06am On May 09, 2015 |
socialmediaman: You are too right @socialmediaman. It is difficult to process these unqualified hagiographies when I know that, once we strip away the veneer of propaganda, the truth lies somewhere between the claims and counter-claims made below. Not sure I have the strength to rehash some of things I have written about that regime here... So I will just see if I can find some of my old posts. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- THE UNKNOWN FACTS ABOUT THE LIBYAN DICTATOR MUAMMAR GADDAFI: 1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens. Categorically untrue. Despite poor electricity infrastructure and poor coverage of electricity lines, even in the Capital, Libyan home owners pay monthly/quarterly (area dependant) electricity bills based on meter readings. Electricity is cut off in instances of unpaid bills. Reconnection upon payment is not instant. The electric infrastructure is weak and some areas of Libya do not have electricity available at all. 2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law. Categorically untrue. Banks all over Libya have been giving out loans for years and years. There is a percentage rate charge on all loans, which is comparable to an interest rate, but in the spirit of ‘islamic ethics’ it is not called interest, it is called an ‘Administrative Expense’ – Masareef Edareeya. 3. Home considered a human right in Libya – Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi’s father has died while him, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent. Gaddafi abused this human right as much as he did other basic rights. It is well known in Libya that political opponents and successful business men/women had their homes confiscated and handed over to regime members, usually rewards for Free Officers – Dubat A7rar. Many farms and homes and businesses were confiscated during three infamous phases of Libyas dictatorial history: 4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family. This is a well known rumour and a common joke in Libya. Whilst it may have been passed as official legislation, I know of not a single family who has been given this grant. The backbreaking bureaucracy associated with such grants and loans make them more or less impossible to obtain. 5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans were literate. Today the figure is 83%. Education and Health Care – Free does not mean adequate. It is well known that Libya’s standard of health care is nothing short of appalling. It is widely known that the majority of Libyans seeking medical care leave for neighbouring countries for treatment. Our Education system is no better. It is outdated, teachers are underpaid and under-trained and libraries are largely non-existent. The syllabus was constantly being revised and reviewed under direct instruction from the former regime e.g. banning English, changing Quranic verses, etc. 6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick-start their farms – all for free. This has never happened, in addition to this many farms and homes have been confiscated by the government to build railroads, The Great Man Made River and civil roads. 7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US$2,300/mth accommodation and car allowance. Categorically untrue. If this was the case, the former regime would have been in receipt of 6 million application forms – one for every man, women and child who ‘cannot find education or medical facilities they need’. This grant does not exist for the mainstream public. There is anectdotal evidence of some medical grants being given but again, the system was corrupt and opaque. 8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price. There is no truth to the former Gaddafi regime paying 50% of the value of a new car. 9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per litre. 10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – now frozen globally. Whilst our sovereign wealth is undeniable, none of it was spent on the people of Libya nor the infrastructure of the country. Basic amenities, services, and state infrastructure are either absent or of appalling standard. 11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found. Categorically untrue. Even basic wages are sometimes unpaid for months, for those lucky enough to be employed. Welfare for the unemployed is non-existent. 12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens. No basis to this claim as no such case can be found. 13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US$5,000 Categorically untrue. There is a Child Benefit welfare payment in Libya – it is roughly 15-20 Libyan Dinars a month per child. No Libyan citizen was given foreign currency as compensation. 14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15 Bread was subsidized by the state. Whilst the price varies (marginally) from shop to shop, bread usually costs ¼ dinars for 10 baguettes (small) or roughly 500grams per dinar. 15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree The absence of a comprehensive selection process and a corrupt entry protocol means that universities in Libya are grossly over populated and over subscribed, despite limited facilities. This results in an over inflated number of graduates, but not necessarily an adequate level of employability. There are thousands of students studying foundation year medicine in Tripoli alone. 16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country. The Jury is still out on this. The project has indeed supplied water to many towns and cities around Libya, but the cost is thought to be as stratastrophic as the time it took to complete this. Further, decades of an absence of appropriate licensing, monitoring and control has meant that wells were dug for every home, putting immense pressure on Libya’s natural and naturally replenishable water sources. This resulted in the increase of salinity in local water reserves, which lead to the need for an expansive project such as the Man Made River Source: http://feb17.info/news/myths-of-the-gaddafi-regime-explained/ |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by Noneroone(m): 9:19am On May 09, 2015 |
socialmediaman:george orwell once said that human beings do not revolt until they are shown a standard for comparism. Ghaddafi did his best but did not do well to protect his regime through counter propaganda.that was his only crime. Politics is all about perception that's why propaganda is a major component. What you hold to be true will cease to be true once another actor convinces you to believe his world view whether it is real or not. Human beings are only intelligent animals. Freedom and equality are defined according to social orders and each state try to convince another to accept his own through propaganda. Hence some Americans and britons are joining Isis despite being 'free'? |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by socialmediaman: 9:44am On May 09, 2015 |
Brilliant. I feel though that even God gave us freedom as humans, and no human should withdraw the freedom of others within acceptable limits. Ghadaffi provided services to the people to an extent, though hyped, but he withdrew their freedom and limited their desires and opportunities. When people realize the "truth", they want to explore it, however complex the real truth may be later. When many Nigerians travel abroad and see the "heavens" built in America, they can't help it but feel only hate and disgust for those corrupt elites back home preventing their system from reaching greater heights Noneroone: |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by socialmediaman: 9:45am On May 09, 2015 |
Very informative. I knew Ghadaffi's achievements were hyped, he couldn't have done all that and people still wanted him out at all cost. This is just impossible! Humans are not that stupid. TheOtherview: |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by abduljabbar4(m): 9:56am On May 09, 2015 |
socialmediaman: You are wrong. Even before his death, I knew all these. When I condemned his killing back in 2011, people saw me as an enemy of progress. Go and make research. Libya is going down gradually |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by socialmediaman: 10:07am On May 09, 2015 |
It will go down before it comes up again. Nations like the USA, France etc faced similar problems before they got to where they were, the difference was, the leaders were not as greedy as African leaders who would never go down when their countrymen ask them to, till death meets them, in the end, a lot of destruction has already been done. If GEJ had refused to hand over power when Majority of Nigerians rejected his government, same fate could've befallen Nigeria. Thank God he did the right thing... abduljabbar4: |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by sebali: 10:20am On May 09, 2015 |
OrlandoOwoh: Americans didnt go into libya to protest, did they? The ans is no. Libyans started d protest that was were dey said 42yrs was enough. |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by Noneroone(m): 10:23am On May 09, 2015 |
socialmediaman:with the present situation in libya, will you justify the revolution? |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by abduljabbar4(m): 10:27am On May 09, 2015 |
socialmediaman:I'm not saying saying that Ghaddafi was 100% right but now you can see that they are getting what they asked for |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by Nobody: 11:04am On May 09, 2015 |
If this are all true then Libyans are the most stupidest people I have ever since...come and live in Nigeria for just a month and you guys we go and resurrect Gaddafi back to life....Libya I hope you don't regret this for the next century |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by OrlandoOwoh(m): 11:09am On May 09, 2015 |
sebali:You call shooting of guns protest? Who gave them the explosives? |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by sebali: 11:21am On May 09, 2015 |
OrlandoOwoh: They came out with placards bt Gadafi shot them so d west so d opportunity dey were waiting 4 and gave d masses guns....... So Gadafi played himself........ Dnt miss qoute me unda Gadafi dey had a good economic bt dey wanted what Gadafi wont giv dem "fredom" |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by socialmediaman: 11:23am On May 09, 2015 |
Yes they're getting what they asked for. Things will get better. There was a war between the north and south US America at some point in time after the abolishment of slave trade. People suffer consequences of war but you can't keep living in denial forever, it's only natural that at some point in time, you say no and damn the consequences, and if it comes, you live and deal with it abduljabbar4: |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by sebali: 11:23am On May 09, 2015 |
Noneroone:While its sad dat d west used d opportunity to cripple libya in oda to control its resources or just because of share hatred for Gadafi. Yes d end did not justify d means |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by socialmediaman: 11:32am On May 09, 2015 |
Yes I think it's a phase they have to pass through to bring rights and democracy to their generations to come. Many of us didn't live to suffer the consequences of the 2nd world war but it had to happen for the world to be liberated from Hitler. Noneroone: |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by OrlandoOwoh(m): 11:34am On May 09, 2015 |
sebali:Were they in bondage? If they were, what are Nigerians in? Even in the face of bombings there was no power outage. When last did you get power supply in your area in Nigeria? All the hilux pick ups that carried anti-aircraft missiles that were saw in the desert of Libya drove on well tarred roads, how many roads in Nigeria are in good shape? If you know the politics of decolonization in Southern Africa in the 1970s, you will know why the West conspired against Gaddafi. |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by obiak4(m): 11:34am On May 09, 2015 |
sebali:FYI THE PEOPLE DIDN'T "SAY" AMERICAN THE WORLD POLICE INSTIGATED THE PEOPLE TO "SAY" NOW THEY REGRET "SAYING"" EYAAAAAA |
Re: Libya: Ten Things About Gaddafi They Dont Want You To Know by obiak4(m): 11:37am On May 09, 2015 |
PassingShot:JUST LIKE WE MISSED MURITALA MOHAMMED AND TUNDE IDIAGBON LORD TAKE THE EVIL GENIUS AND GIVE US FELA CAN U SMH |
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