Fulaman198:


Foma gidado am HalimaSadiya, a jaamo? An a debbo pullo (pullo debbo, fuu gootum)? Ha toy a woni? A nani Fulfulde?

Useko : ) (Mi nanataa fulfude...at least fluently) it's shameful but I know a little

HalimaSadiya:
Haba ! not really my parents in my own case didn't make me learn from childhood...it's rusty but I'm really trying now : (

Hmm why didn't they teach you, you mentioned you are from Sokoto, do you speak Sokoto Fulfulde?

Fulaman198:


Hmm why didn't they teach you, you mentioned you are from Sokoto, do you speak Sokoto Fulfulde?

I have no idea...they spoke only English mostly

HalimaSadiya:
I have no idea...they spoke only English mostly

Fulaman198:

lol I'm already sorry for myself

HalimaSadiya:
lol I'm already sorry for myself

:-D no worries it happens in every culture nowadays but you can always learn.

On April 20th I found out through DNA testing that I share maternal genetic ancestry with the Fulani. I'd like to learn more about my culture. Connect with someone who can tell me more. Send me an email

Glamrock:
On April 20th I found out through DNA testing that I share maternal genetic ancestry with the Fulani. I'd like to learn more about my culture. Connect with someone who can tell me more. Send me an email

A waali jam Glamrock, min mi Pullo ha lessdi Nayjeria. Mi salmini (hinni) ma e weltima. Thank you for joining Nairaland, if you have any questions in regards to the Fulbe (Fulani) feel free to ask here. There are many Fulani on this forum, but a lot of us are shy and hide ourselves. We only come out when Fulfulde is spoken. So greetings!

@HalimaSadiya, do you speak Hausa at least? I have a song for you that I think you would like in Hausa, and don't think I'm trying to win your heart


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy2VupGvOps

Fulaman198:
@HalimaSadiya, do you speak Hausa at least? I have a song for you that I think you would like in Hausa, and don't think I'm trying to win your heart


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy2VupGvOps

Awwwww lovely thank you xo

HalimaSadiya:
Awwwww lovely thank you xo

Glad you like it

Fulaman198:


A waali jam Glamrock, min mi Pullo ha lessdi Nayjeria. Mi salmini (hinni) ma e weltima. Thank you for joining Nairaland, if you have any questions in regards to the Fulbe (Fulani) feel free to ask here. There are many Fulani on this forum, but a lot of us are shy and hide ourselves. We only come out when Fulfulde is spoken. So greetings!

Thank you fulaman198 I've been researching and I've watched the videos you posted from YouTube. Absolutely facisnating. It's an amazing culture and I like how it's still well preserved. Really beautiful people. It feels good to trace my roots and to know the culture and people I descend from. Just wow

Glamrock:


Thank you fulaman198 I've been researching and I've watched the videos you posted from YouTube. Absolutely facisnating. It's an amazing culture and I like how it's still well preserved. Really beautiful people. It feels good to trace my roots and to know the culture and people I descend from. Just wow

We are glad that you can join us and we Fulani are extremely proud of our culture and how we have not sold out like some other Africans have. We welcome you once again.

Omarbah:

Thiam is a Tukulor last name. I dont like to use the word hal Pulaaren to describe people.
I prefer Pullo, that's it. So he is a Pullo.

Omar Bah, hello brother how are you
Sorry to digress your thread but Tidiane Thiam is not Toucouleur sha
He is a Baoule prince from Ivory Coast, or at least they see themselves as from the Akoue clan, his brother is even one of their local chiefs.

Takamba:


Omar Bah, hello brother how are you
Sorry to digress your thread but Tidiane Thiam is not Toucouleur sha
He is a Baoule prince from Ivory Coast, or at least they see themselves as from the Akoue clan, his brother is even one of their local chiefs.

Glad to hear from you sister. It has been a long time.
As for Thiam, his family does have Senegalese, toucouleur origins. Part of their family is still there. Even on of his uncles was Prime Minister during Diouf's term as President. Now due to their mother's origins, in Cote d'Ivoire it is only normal and smart to claim their Baoule origins ( I would do the same ). This will confer to their family in the country, political and economic influence.
His identity just like that of many Africans living in Cote d'Ivoire who have Senegalese, Malian or Guinean origins is complex. For example, in the UK , he is seen by other bankers as a french man due to his french nationality and university education.

Great information you both.

Omarbah:

Glad to hear from you sister. It has been a long time.
As for Thiam, his family does have Senegalese, toucouleur origins. Part of their family is still there. Even on of his uncles was Prime Minister during Diouf's term as President. Now due to their mother's origins, in Cote d'Ivoire it is only normal and smart to claim their Baoule origins ( I would do the same ). This will confer to their family in the country, political and economic influence.
His identity just like that of many Africans living in Cote d'Ivoire who have Senegalese, Malian or Guinean origins is complex. For example, in the UK , he is seen by other bankers as a french man due to his french nationality and university education.

Yeah long time no see... I am doing well thanks Omar.
In fact Tidiane Thiam is not even 50% Ivorian but 25%. He is 50%Wolof. His father Amadou Thiam is a Wolof ''Walo-Walo'' from Dagana. He came to Ivory Coast young in 1945 and was a minister of information under Houphouet.
Tidiane's uncle on his father side, the one you're talking about, is Habib Thiam, yes famous prime minister under Senghor. They are Wolof and gnegno (blacksmiths) I think; if that matter.
Now I he was part Toucouleur it would be on his mother side 25% because his mother Marietou Sow has a Senegalese father Pape Magor Sow (and I don't even think they are toucouleurs because pape magor sounds very wolof; despite the surname) and an Ivorian mother (Marietou's mother is Houphouet's sister). He is part Baoule because his grandmother.
But since Houphoet was very open-minded; they really identify as Ivoirians and Baoules. On that subject; just the other day, one guy from Ivory Coast was asking me how a Wolof man can be a Baoule chief.

Fulaman198:
Great information you both.

But Fula is this thread still open to non Fulani like us; I only see you guys (bandirabes) there. Stop the neddo ko bandoum and invite everyone.
Otherwise I'm migrating to the Yoruba threads.

Takamba:


Yeah long time no see... I am doing well thanks Omar.
Tidiane Thiam is not even in fact 50% Ivorian but 25%. He is 50%Wolof. His father Amadou Thiam is a Wolof ''Walo-Walo'' from Dagana. He came to Ivory Coast young in 1945 and was a minister under Houphouet. Tidiane's uncle on his father side, the one you're talking about, is Habib Thiam, yes famous prime minister under Senghor. They are Wolof and gnegno (blacksmiths) I think; if that matter.
Now I he was part Toucouleur it would be on his mother side 25% because his mother Marietou Sow has a Senegalese father Pape Magor Sow (and I don't even think they are toucouleurs because pape magor sounds very wolof; despite the surname) and an Ivorian mother (Marietou's mothe is Houphouet's sister). He is part Baoule because his grandmother.
But since Houphoet was very open-minded; they really identify as Baoules. On that subject; just the other day, one guy from Ivory Coast was asking me how can a Wolof man can be a Baoule chief.

Lol they can be prone to xenephobia which is why having family ties with the local groups can be very important.
Tidjane contributed to a book called "qu'est ce qu'un francais?" . It is a collective work where his contribution is titled "La France est une idee, etre Francais une emotion" where he says this about his father

"Mon père, qui était encore vivant quand je commençai à travailler sur le présent texte et qui depuis, nous a quittés, dans sa quatre-vingt-sixième année. Mon père, le fils de Dagana, petite bourgade sur les rives du fleuve Sénégal, fleuve si majestueux, si vital, où la France dans son désir d’expansion est venue tenter de faire d’enfants africains de petits français.

Improbable rencontre entre un enfant africain de neuf ans et une idée si séduisante, celle d’une république où tous, enfant Toucouleur ou enfant de la Corrèze seraient égaux et auraient les mêmes droits, devoirs et chances. Mon père, inscrit d’autorité à l’école par un représentant de cette France républicaine, commandant de cercle éclairé, qui sut passer outre les objections de mon grand-père. Mon grand-père avait en effet préféré se laisser arrêter plutôt que d’envoyer l’aîné de ses fils, son héritier, à l’école, craignant qu’il ne devînt un étranger pour lui et ne parlât une autre langue que la sienne."

Now as much as Africans can consider him African, I bet youm Europeans see him an Afro European.

Takamba:


But Fula is this thread still open to non Fulani like us; I only see you guys (bandirabes) there. Stop the neddo ko bandoum and invite everyone.
Otherwise I'm migrating to the Yoruba threads.

LOL there is no Neddo ko bandam movement going on Wolof princess. We welcome you guys, you just have to realise that a Fulani thread on a Nigerian forum is not always liked lolllll.

With that said, @OmarBah, the Bot banned you sorry about that, it's a very touchy bot.

Fulaman198:


LOL there is no Neddo ko bandam movement going on Wolof princess. We welcome you guys, you just have to realise that a Fulani thread on a Nigerian forum is not always liked lolllll.

With that said, @OmarBah, the Bot banned you sorry about that, it's a very touchy bot.

Lol , very touchy one indeed. Thanks for explaining.
@ Takamba, I think when Fula , Bororojo and I started talking about the challenges fulbe face, others just lost interest. But everyone is more than welcomed.

Omarbah:

Lol they can be prone to xenephobia which is why having family ties with the local groups can be very important.
Tidjane contributed to a book called "qu'est ce qu'un francais?" . It is a collective work where his contribution is titled "La France est une idee, etre Francais une emotion" where he says this about his father

"Mon père, qui était encore vivant quand je commençai à travailler sur le présent texte et qui depuis, nous a quittés, dans sa quatre-vingt-sixième année. Mon père, le fils de Dagana, petite bourgade sur les rives du fleuve Sénégal, fleuve si majestueux, si vital, où la France dans son désir d’expansion est venue tenter de faire d’enfants africains de petits français.

Improbable rencontre entre un enfant africain de neuf ans et une idée si séduisante, celle d’une république où tous, enfant Toucouleur ou enfant de la Corrèze seraient égaux et auraient les mêmes droits, devoirs et chances. Mon père, inscrit d’autorité à l’école par un représentant de cette France républicaine, commandant de cercle éclairé, qui sut passer outre les objections de mon grand-père. Mon grand-père avait en effet préféré se laisser arrêter plutôt que d’envoyer l’aîné de ses fils, son héritier, à l’école, craignant qu’il ne devînt un étranger pour lui et ne parlât une autre langue que la sienne."

Now as much as Africans can consider him African, I bet youm Europeans see him an Afro European.

Thieum! Ali Baba Coumba Naar! (it's a expression to show how I am impressed)
Do you read a lot? You sounds like; I do too . Do you like Senghor's poems?
You like Senegal very much from what I see. It is an honour to see my country and culture appreciated greatly on this forum.
Oh yeah Habib and Amadou Thiam father is Mabousso Thiam Fatim Seye; I know them they are great people from Dagana. After being a minister Amadou was also Cote d'Ivoire Ambassador in Morocco. They are all brillant in that family; Habib Thiam also has a son named Mabousso Thiam who is a great economist. It is sad that in Senegal caste question sometimes limit individuals.
It's not only to feel more integrated, although it's part of it, it is also because they really are Ivorians; they're from Senegal but were born in CV and feel Ivorians; they present themselves as such.
By the way majority of Thiam are Wolof.

Fulaman198:


LOL there is no Neddo ko bandam movement going on Wolof princess. We welcome you guys, you just have to realise that a Fulani thread on a Nigerian forum is not always liked lolllll.

With that said, @OmarBah, the Bot banned you sorry about that, it's a very touchy bot.

Oh really? Fulanis are cool
You should maybe do more open threads about everything.
I'm the only wolof there Thiendella is not here; I need to see more Wolofs but maybe I should stick to Senegalese forums.
Btw nairaland is great I am a panafricanist so I really like to discover more cultures of Africa. I've learnt a lost since coming here.

Takamba:



Thieum! Ali Baba Coumba Naar! (it's a expression to show how I am impressed)
Do you read a lot? You sounds like; I do too . Do you like Senghor's poems?
You like Senegal very much from what I see. It is an honour to see my country and culture appreciated greatly on this forum.
Oh yeah Habib and Amadou Thiam father is Mabousso Thiam Fatim Seye; I know them they are great people from Dagana. After being a minister Amadou was also Cote d'Ivoire Ambassador in Morocco. They are all brillant in that family; Habib Thiam also has a son named Mabousso Thiam who is a great economist. It is sad that in Senegal caste question sometimes limit individuals.
It's not only to feel more integrated, although it's part of it, it is also because they really are Ivorians; they're from Senegal but were born in CV and feel Ivorians; they present themselves as such.
By the way majority of Thiam are Wolof.

From I know Thiam as mostly Toucouleur, they have a long standing rivalry with the Tall. If you read Amkoulel l'Enfant Peul from Ampathe, you will see how their rivalry was intense. The rivalry between Tidjani Caam( Thiam) and Aguibou Tall( son of Eldhaj Umar) which eventually led to Tidjani being emprisoned by the French is discussed at length. It will show how a problem about a Mosque in the Tall family destroyed by the Thiams in Futa Toro took a nasty turn. They couldnt let it go even after conquering lands in Mali, being far away from home and overtaken by the French.
I havent read Senghor to be honest. I liked his pragmatism as a statemen though I disagree with him jailing Mamadou Dia.
My favorite Senegalese politicians for the independence days are Valdiodio Ndiaye and Mamadou Dia. I share their vision of a Senegalese economy being independent of France. But I guess the clerics had too much to lose.
I love Senegal. It is the second country of every Pullo.

Omarbah:

From I know Thiam as mostly Toucouleur, they have a long standing rivalry with the Tall. If you read Amkoulel l'Enfant Peul from Ampathe, you will see how their rivalry was intense. The rivalry between Tidjani Caam( Thiam) and Aguibou Tall( son of Eldhaj Umar) which eventually led to Tidjani being emprisoned by the French is discussed at length. It will show how a problem about a Mosque in the Tall family destroyed by the Thiams in Futa Toro took a nasty turn. They couldnt let it go even after conquering lands in Mali, being far away from home and overtaken by the French.
I havent read Senghor to be honest. I liked his pragmatism as a statemen though I disagree with him jailing Mamadou Dia.
My favorite Senegalese politicians for the independence days are Valdiodio Ndiaye and Mamadou Dia. I share their vision of a Senegalese economy being independent of France. But I guess the clerics had too much to lose.
I love Senegal. It is the second country of every Pullo.

Yes I have read Amkoullel a long time ago; Hampate's step father in the book was also a Thiam. Was it Tidiane Thiam because I remember that he was emprisoned in today's Burkina faso. The difference is the Thiam in Mali are mostly Toucouleurs who came with El hadj Omar.
In Senegal although there are many Thiam toucouleurs; the most numerous Thiam are wolof and are blacksmiths.
People such as Tidiane Thiam; Akon (Alioune Badara Thiam); Amy Mbacke Thiam (former athlete) and many others are all Wolof and all blacksmiths.
Now these Thiam who are Wolof are in origin Toucouleurs who assimilated in Wolof culture many centuries ago; hence their name.
The toucouleur Thiam were also gnegno for many of them but since Abdou Kader Kane Torodo revolution; many of them see themselves today as torodo; not bailo.
There are also Thiam who are Wolof and are not blacksmith but Thiam is a blacksmith and a toucouleur name in origin.
The Thiam who are blacksmiths (mostly wolofs) are praised ''Thiam Babel Demba Thiam''; the Thiam who are not castes/gnegno are praised ''Thiam Demba Bokar'' or simply ''Seydi Thiam'' when they are Toucoulor.
They all have the same ancestors.

Omarbah:

From I know Thiam as mostly Toucouleur, they have a long standing rivalry with the Tall. If you read Amkoulel l'Enfant Peul from Ampathe, you will see how their rivalry was intense. The rivalry between Tidjani Caam( Thiam) and Aguibou Tall( son of Eldhaj Umar) which eventually led to Tidjani being emprisoned by the French is discussed at length. It will show how a problem about a Mosque in the Tall family destroyed by the Thiams in Futa Toro took a nasty turn. They couldnt let it go even after conquering lands in Mali, being far away from home and overtaken by the French.
I havent read Senghor to be honest. I liked his pragmatism as a statemen though I disagree with him jailing Mamadou Dia.
My favorite Senegalese politicians for the independence days are Valdiodio Ndiaye and Mamadou Dia. I share their vision of a Senegalese economy being independent of France. But I guess the clerics had too much to lose.
I love Senegal. It is the second country of every Pullo.

No I am like you too I don't like Senghor's politics. But I am refering to his dimension as a poet; he was a great poet.
Joal je me rapelle...

Takamba:


No I am like you too I don't like Senghor's politics. But I am refering to his dimension as a poet; he was a great poet.
Joal je me rapelle...

No I have not read any of his work, which ones would you recommend? I came accross a few ones. I think he has one on black/ African women if I am not mistaken.

Takamba:


Oh really? Fulanis are cool
You should maybe do more open threads about everything.
I'm the only wolof there Thiendella is not here; I need to see more Wolofs but maybe I should stick to Senegalese forums.
Btw nairaland is great I am a panafricanist so I really like to discover more cultures of Africa. I've learnt a lost since coming here.

If I joined a Senegalese Forum as a Nigerian Fulani would they welcome me?

Like OmarBah said, Senegal is one of the top places we Fulbe think of a lot. Asli am maama meden daga leydi Fouta Tooro, I love all of West Africa in reality, and would love to see the entire region grow.

Fulaman198:


If I joined a Senegalese Forum as a Nigerian Fulani would they welcome me?

Yes, Senegalese are quite nice; maybe the barrier would be the language as they tend to speak wolof often online. But I don't think we have forums like nairaland.

Omarbah:

No I have not read any of his work, which ones would you recommend? I came accross a few ones. I think he has one on black/ African women if I am not mistaken.

Yeah that one is Femme Noire. Joal is part of the Chants D'ombres collection. You can access all his work online. He also did co-write with Abdoulaye Sadji ""La belle histoire de leuk le lievre''; a great tales book that is studied in primary school's program.