saengine:


Ouch

MikeCZAR:
Tell us Henry is it half American?

It uses American engines and many sub-components.

Henry120:


What are you "ouching" for, there are and never were any Piracy incidences of the coast of mozambique.

SAN deployment of frigates to mozambique is similar to deploying troops in the streets of luxemborg or Switzerland.



There simply is no threat to deploy against.

jln115:

"Over 50 years old, NNS Thunder is busy sailing around the continent and saving Africa from piracy while South African navy sits down at home redundant and lazy"

Have you ever heard of operation copper? Since we started patrolling the Mozambican coast in 2010 guess how many Piracy attacks have there been? 0 that's how many!!!

"How can SAN use one frigate, one submarine, low fuel, to guard South Africa's massive U-shaped coastline of 3,000+ km and still patrol up to Ghana with same one warship, a frigate with delicate engine, not an endurance OPV...."

There are always 2-3 Operatonal Frigates and 2 Operational Subs, and we use our OPVs to patrol the Mozambican coast now, and not our Frigates!

"Old photos mate.

Today, Southie navy has ONLY ONE frigate and ONLY ONE submarine in operational. The rest are dead as cooked fish"

Pic 1: F 147(Spionkop)
Pic 2: F 146 (Isandlwana)
Pic 3: S101 (Manthatisi)
Pic 4: S102 (Charlotte Maxeke )

saengine:


Why do you sound like you want to cry? Why dont you look at the pics/comments again and see what I'm ouching about. Figure it out.

Henry120:


The T-129 is joint development between TAI and Agusta.


The Rooivalk on the other hand is a French Helicopter built by French engineers, french components and French blue-print for the Apartheid government in South-Africa.


It is in-fact a 90% French helicopter, same as the Super Puma in SAAF service.

Henry120:
Day & night all environment capability; effective, precise weapon systems that provide combat superiority while low visual, aural, radar and IR signatures (it has stealth features)

night vision (helmet-mounted display system) and
integrated INS/GPS (Dual)/Doppler navigation and an air vehicle monitoring system.

radio frequency jammer

The engines are equipped with the FADEC (full authority digital engine control) system,


Advanced millimetre wave radar (MILDAR), similar to the Longbow and the IAI/ELTA radars


I can continue.

Henry120:

ViceAdmiral:


With NATO its about saving face in Afghanistan at the moment...infact tell me a foreign power that has 'won' in Afghanistan.On France,Holland in WW2...are you seriously comparing NAZI Germany's military might with Boko Haram,Any army can be defeated but then also think about who's 'defeating' u .
With that said do u still think the NA i should still be considered to be one of Africas best seeing how they could perform on a very bad day (in this case a couple of years) against a rag tag enemy like Boko Haram.How would they measure them against an enemy like Algeria,Egypt, Ethiopia,RSA .Or perhaps the Nigerian military is very good they just needed time take in the concept of COIN.Something the SA army mastered a while back.Or perhaps it was the approaching elections that got GEJ interested in getting rid of BH once and for all.Now perharps Nigeria is Africa's best after 'defeating' Boko Haram and it has the combat experience an Army like SA doesn't have.Personally i'm disappointed the NA let the BH fiasco go on as long as it did....i mean NA is west africas 'big brother' .

saengine:


Exactly. Next time don't try and be clever with me, when you're clueless as to what I'm talking about. You should have asked me what I'm ouching about and left it at that. Would have given you a very polite answer.

MikeCZAR:
Agusta is defunct.

You don't know what you're talking about!

The T129 uses American engines!

SAAF doesn't operate Super Pumas, SA's pumas were retired in the early 90s.

Show me the French engineers!

MikeCZAR:
You can be a joke at times lol.

Henry120:


What are you "ouching" for, there are and never were any Piracy incidences of the coast of mozambique.

SAN deployment of frigates to mozambique is similar to deploying troops in the streets of luxemborg or Switzerland.



There simply is no threat to deploy against.

Henry120:


There are and never were any Piracy incidences of the coast of mozambique.

SAN deployment of frigates to mozambique is similar to deploying troops in the streets of luxemborg or Switzerland.



There simply is no threat to deploy against.



You classless liars!!!

Your Sub spent 7years at the dock, before it was re-introduced to service. While another was completely out.


[b]"inventory but 12 are in “rotational” storage and only 18 Gripen navigators and pilots have been trained to operational status. Which begs the question: what should we do with aircraft we don’t need and can’t afford to operate?

The solution could be a simple one: sell off the 12 Gripens in storage (since we won’t miss them anyway) and use the money for fuel, pilot training and new equipment that the Air Force desperately needs - its C-130 Hercules fleet is ageing and the Air Force is increasingly forced to rely on charters to move people and equipment to places like the Democratic Republic of Congo, while the SAAF’s maritime surveillance C-47TPs are more than half a century old and suffering from attrition.

While the C-47TPs and C-130s are working extremely hard and are in urgent need of replacement, the Gripens are grossly underutilised. Since 2008 the Gripen fleet has flown 3 500 hours, according to a SAAF official, equating to roughly 135 hours per airframe or roughly 20 hours per aircraft per year, or less than two hours per aircraft per month.

Maintenance for the Gripens has also been problematic -[/b] "

MikeCZAR:
I invite you to the dance floor again!

1.

A. Rooivalk chin-mounted gun: 20mm

Cartridge: 20 x 139mm

B. T120 chin-mounted gun: 20mm

Cartridge: 20 x 102m

Conclusion: Rooivalk's gun carries a powerful punch.

2. Rooivalk prototypes carried missile pods they were ditched! Nothing special. Mostly used in light helicopters!

3. The Rooivalk can carry: 20 AAM and ATGM.

T129: 12 missiles.

jln115:

Uhm....Why are war games held?...........Let me tell you. Its to prepare for real war, thus they are the closes thing to a real war without being in a real war!

patches689:


1. No - there is no parts commonality with the platforms you have. Thus there is a parts challenge as engineers and mechanics will have to be retrained to operate it, massive stores of parts will have to be aquired and so will extensive ammounts of specialist equipment. This will be costly and challenging.
2. Again, you dont operate helicopters that use the same engine or configuration. So no - there is no comminality
3. The T129 has seen no combat. The T-129 is not the A-129
4. Yes, your leadership also said you would get Tucano's, T80U's, Su30's, JF-17s etc etc etc and you havent.

You arent getting the T129, you dont have the infrastructure to support it, you dont have the money to buy it, and the Turks are too busy building their own to sell you any in the near future.

I am sorry that reality does not correlate to your delusion. But these are the facts.

MikeCZAR:
You said nuclear submarines don't carry nuclear tipped missiles!

Superior knowledge over the researcher!

jln115:

More piracy in Mozambique channel

http://www.clubofmozambique.com/solutions1/sectionnews.php?secao=mozambique&id=22956&tipo=one

MikeCZAR:
. Your military failed to protect them.

You have no precision strike capability.

Nigeria used artillery in battles!

agaugust:


Wrong information !

Rooivalk 20mm x 1 barrel gun = 139 mm total calibre firepower

T-129 20mm x 3 barrel gun = 306 mm total calibre firepower

PROVED : T-129 gun has more firepower than Rooivalk gun

Hey dude, Rooivalk does not carry 20 AAM and ATGM, it only carries 2 AAM on wing-tips only.

Rooivalk carries 16 ATGM maximum, T-129 also carries 16 ATGM.

Pods are modern advancement for helicopters, the Rooivalk is too old to carry any pods for guns or missiles, obsolete 1980s Bush war old idea.

Rooivalk carries ONLY ONE GUN....NO GUN PODS EXTRA.....T-129 carries 1 nose gun and can carry extra 4 gun pods on wing pylons.

T-129 carries missile pods 4 missiles per pod = 16 AAM.....One single T-129 will sh.oot down the whole SAAF fleet of 11 Rooivalks in 5 minutes

T-129 beats Rooivalk with superior T-129 firepower, avionics, and weapons mix combinations
.

Henry120:


this is 2013, and instances of piracy in the Horn of Africa’s waters have been reduced to single figures. Meanwhile Operation Copper, the name of the SAN’s mission in Mozambique, has yet to result in the capture of a single pirate. Not because the pirates themselves are proving elusive, but because they are simply not there..

http://www.africandefence.net/why-is-south-africa-fighting-pirates-in-mozambique/



I repeat, S.A deployment of a Frigate in mozambique is similar to deploying troops to fight threats in luxemborg.......

SA military planners across the board smack of an aura of utter cluenessness.

agaugust:


Nobody fires live ammo on the other in war games, it's all a game.

In war, you fire torpedo on NATO ships, they demolish your torpedo with anti-torpedo counter-measure and unleash anti-submarine helicopters on your submarine while their own ships launch 20 torpedoes in reply to your one Southie torpedo.

NATO was fooling you man ! They sent ships to play game with your submarine, does NATO go to war without it's own submarines?

Soweto fools ! you never asked the simple common sense question, where were NATO submarines in that war game?

Absent, they were making a fool of you to test your new submarine against mostly old NATO warships and fuel tankers/transport ships.

Why did Britain not send it's best submarine to play war game with South Africa's best submarine and we will see how you will sink NATO fleet.

Fools, total fools, the Europeans keep fooling you fools, that's why they ruled South Africa till modern day 1994....because you are fools

.

jln115:

Dude you said there were NO piracy attacks in the Mozambican channel before we started patrolling there!!

ViceAdmiral:


With NATO its about saving face in Afghanistan at the moment...infact tell me a foreign power that has 'won' in Afghanistan.On France,Holland in WW2...are you seriously comparing NAZI Germany's military might with Boko Haram,Any army can be defeated but then also think about who's 'defeating' u .
With that said do u still think the NA i should still be considered to be one of Africas best seeing how they could perform on a very bad day (in this case a couple of years) against a rag tag enemy like Boko Haram.How would they measure them against an enemy like Algeria,Egypt, Ethiopia,RSA .Or perhaps the Nigerian military is very good they just needed time take in the concept of COIN.Something the SA army mastered a while back.Or perhaps it was the approaching elections that got GEJ interested in getting rid of BH once and for all.Now perharps Nigeria is Africa's best after 'defeating' Boko Haram and it has the combat experience an Army like SA doesn't have.Personally i'm disappointed the NA let the BH fiasco go on as long as it did....i mean NA is west africas 'big brother' .

MikeCZAR:


Helicopters ?

With No

Radar.
FLIR.
Anti-submarine weapons.

A diesel submarine can attack and leave the area.

Fact established: Nigerian navy is no match for SAN.

Henry120:


this is 2013, and instances of piracy in the Horn of Africa’s waters have been reduced to single figures. Meanwhile Operation Copper, the name of the SAN’s mission in Mozambique, has yet to result in the capture of a single pirate. Not because the pirates themselves are proving elusive, but because they are simply not there..

http://www.africandefence.net/why-is-south-africa-fighting-pirates-in-mozambique/



I repeat, S.A deployment of a Frigate in mozambique is similar to deploying troops to fight threats in luxemborg.......

SA military planners across the board smack of an aura of utter cluenessness.

Henry120:


There are no Pirates in mozambique.

the name of the SAN’s mission in Mozambique, has yet to result in the capture of a single pirate. Not because the pirates themselves are proving elusive, but because they are simply not there..

jln115:

"Over 50 years old, NNS Thunder is busy sailing around the continent and saving Africa from piracy while South African navy sits down at home redundant and lazy"

Have you ever heard of operation copper? Since we started patrolling the Mozambican coast in 2010 guess how many Piracy attacks have there been? 0 that's how many!!!

"How can SAN use one frigate, one submarine, low fuel, to guard South Africa's massive U-shaped coastline of 3,000+ km and still patrol up to Ghana with same one warship, a frigate with delicate engine, not an endurance OPV...."

There are always 2-3 Operatonal Frigates and 2 Operational Subs, and we use our OPVs to patrol the Mozambican coast now, and not our Frigates!

"Old photos mate.

Today, Southie navy has ONLY ONE frigate and ONLY ONE submarine in operational. The rest are dead as cooked fish"

Pic 1: F 147(Spionkop)
Pic 2: F 146 (Isandlwana)
Pic 3: S101 (Manthatisi)
Pic 4: S102 (Charlotte Maxeke )

ViceAdmiral:
For those not familiar with submarine ops ....that's how you properly ran aground a sub ...
USS San Francisco (SSN-711)

Am pretty sure the SA navy incident was not that bad

And a link for those that are leading themselves to think that sort of thing only happens in SOUTH Africa.

jln115:

Successful Collaboration Against Piracy in the Indian Ocean
http://www.issafrica.org/iss-today/successful-collaboration-against-piracy-in-the-indian-ocean