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Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by Generalkorex(m): 10:16am On May 11, 2015 |
Nice one bro Nigeria is blessed with alot of genius. People who can think out of the box. People like onegig and tonychristopher. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by laoshog: 10:21am On May 11, 2015 |
This is a good article, however, I have reservations when it stated that there is actually no competitive advantage between imports and refining in Nigeria. Why would you say that? the cost of export and import will be an area for cost savings to local refineries. I think you need to re-evaluate this line in your article. Thanks for the insight. |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by Toks2008(m): 10:23am On May 11, 2015 |
bushdoc9919: The Op has just succeeded in writing rhetoric s for all i care. If you look back at the history of the decadence we have today,it still boils down to corruption. Venezuela as we speak still sell 1litre of fuel US$0.015 which is N3 per litre so what the OP should feed us with is possible measures for our government to take in order to give us more refineries and of-course transparency in the dealings from drilling to refining to finished products. I hate it when we try to give excuses fore our clueless and corrupt practices OUR PROBLEM IS CORRUPTION AND NOT THE EPISTLE ACCORDING TO THE OP 4 Likes |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by baralatie(m): 10:27am On May 11, 2015 |
manutdadex:these weed people go fight you o! |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by Toks2008(m): 10:28am On May 11, 2015 |
Generalkorex: its AMAZING GIVING KUDOS TO THIS ARTICLE THAT A KINDERGARTEN CAN DECIPHER. OUR PROBLEM IS CORRUPTION and if the federal government can be sincere,it does not take rocket science to provide working refineries and of-course creating new ones then fully privatize the upstream and downstream sector in a sincere manner. |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by baralatie(m): 10:31am On May 11, 2015 |
Toks2008:this your solution is called shooting oneself in the foot. it can never work |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by jireh250: 10:36am On May 11, 2015 |
christopher123: One of the most insightful, intelligent and encouraging posts I've ever come across on Nairaland. Thank you. 3 Likes |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by tonychristopher: 10:41am On May 11, 2015 |
Generalkorex: Thanks We know the truth and how simple these things are but they paint a complicated picture to confuse us 1 Like |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by onegig(m): 10:46am On May 11, 2015 |
Generalkorex:I didn't even see his response before typing mine. Any sensible person who knows how things function would understand refining for local consumption might seem hard but very simple when you look at it holistically. The guy just copied some opinions here and there, added some irrelevant images and believes he is making sense. His bandwagon of friends who can't peruse an article keeps clapping in tow. Solving problems is not hard when you break it down to smaller ones. There are people in the Niger delta who refine their crude oil with just tools you can readily find in a local market,only that the octane rating may not be up to industry standards. If the people using drums and logs of wood can refine oil, what is now hard for a country as big as Nigeria to refine and meet local productions? Is not to just make fractional columns, heat to a specific temperature, distill each components out till you get your desired products out? |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by Toks2008(m): 10:47am On May 11, 2015 |
baralatie: That is why we will never move forward as long as we believe that proffering a definitive solution to solving an endemic problem will never work. Have you looked at the pump price of other countries under OPEC (Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries)? Have you asked yourself why they are not in the same mess as we are in? Its because their leaders are not corrupt. Look at the article and i have read it more than twice and the only logical thing i see there is an enumeration of our problem...CORRUPTION. If other oil producing countries are selling premium spirits cheaper than us then there must be something they are doing that we need to learn from. This is a simple picture. The past leaders purposely allowed the refineries to get destroyed so that they can start exporting crude and in that process smuggle more crude than documented and because of this Nigeria leaders disobeyed the maritime guidelines of using our own vessels and the resorted to hiring foreign vessels so that we will not know the actual number of barrels exported. When these finished products are brought in we still do not allow these vessels come near our shores but we also used hired vessels to go bring them from the high sea and the ones we see is what we account for while those that have diverted to other countries have done so. So what are we saying? that Nigerians should bear the suffering of the sharp practices of our corrupt leaders? GOD forbid. Its like the people in Ijebu land buying Ijebu garri costly because they have to bring cassava to Lagos,process it to garri ijebu and they now take this garri back to the ijebus and sell for high price due to the crazy process of taking cassava out of ijebu land and bringing in ijebu garri. The question is cant they repair the facilities that got damaged? do we not have experts that can repair them? The Op should go back and get his facts right. We are not interested in knowing what we already know but we need a blue print to curb corruption and give Nigerians cheaply what we already have. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by tonychristopher: 10:54am On May 11, 2015 |
PassingShot: My brother I keep wondering this..they speak English as if to confuse us..comparative advantage ...op takes us as if we are stupid ..... How can one plant and harvest corn and sell the corn then go to market buy pap and corn starch everytime ...that's what we do We have comparative advantage in crude ..because we have oil we have resources but we don't think Don't mind them 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by Toks2008(m): 10:54am On May 11, 2015 |
onegig: i love intelligent people.If you snatch my girlfriend i will not mind.Nice reasoning. 1 Like |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by Nobody: 10:54am On May 11, 2015 |
Story for the god |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by tonychristopher: 10:56am On May 11, 2015 |
prophetfire: Simple PassingShot: My brother I keep wondering this..they speak English as if to confuse us..comparative advantage ...op takes us as if we are stupid ..... How can one plant and harvest corn and sell the corn then go to market buy pap and corn starch everytime ...that's what we do We have comparative advantage in crude ..because we have oil we have resources but we don't think Don't mind them 2 Likes |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by tonychristopher: 10:59am On May 11, 2015 |
onegig: Can I buy you beer pls Your smart 1 Like |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by Generalkorex(m): 10:59am On May 11, 2015 |
onegig:am telling you during dis fuel scarcity We bought a locally refined petrol.and we found out dat it last longer than "standard one" mere looking at the fuel you would knew its of low standard.it looks exactly like kerosine. Just The same thing my uncle used to buy when he was in PH. |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by godwin120alex: 11:00am On May 11, 2015 |
Welldone but why have you not elightened us before now. I was thinking dat GMB will do it and with wat Tam David said.Their is God in everything we are doing. |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by Sunnybobo3(m): 11:00am On May 11, 2015 |
Pavore9: Ever wondered why yam brought in from Oturkpo Benue State is cheaper than yam cultivated in your village? |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by cochexky: 11:03am On May 11, 2015 |
[quote author=tonychristopher post=33624285] Too much of everything is just bad this include education and certificates, this is one reason that too much educated people get employed and less educated people employ them. This is the trend in the world and it can never change. The over educated man will analyse analyse, peruse and criticise something before an action is take. But the less educated man will fold his sleeves gives it a trial, that is why today we have the COSCHARIS,DANGOTES, FACEBOOK, JOBS, ETC these dudes have little education and they employ these so called book worm and they blow grammer. That is by the way, why am taking time to tackle this, I see people saying this is a nice article I just laugh..What is nice about this article and the writer. To me he is just swriting bunkum and bullshit I must be frank. What is so special about refining crude oil. It is simple elemnatary chemistry. For thos of us that studied chemistry and did practicval. I mean those that went to good schools and I appreciate the school I attended in imo state with the best lab. That is by the way the principle of refining oil is called fractional distillation and the experiment is simple not rocket science and I wonder why Nigeria can’t build packets of small refineries with small capacities for each state. I wonder how Nigeria won’t allow individuals to fabricate refineries with small capacities to service state. Some person is making a presentation with diagram For heaven sake Biafra forces drilled and refined their oil under war conditions and these refineries were a mobile and dismountable ones and they powered their aircrafts with that and their tanks so what is even special about refining this crude, ordinary fractional distillation. Go to creeks and see how local illiterates are refining oil with drum and for those of us that is impressed with this grammar let me break it down for you how fractional distillation works …..Fractional distillation is the separation of a mixture into its component parts, or fractions, such as in separating chemical compounds by their boiling point by heating them to a temperature at which one or more fractions of the compound will vaporize. Funny enough crude oil refining is even simple distillation and I keep asking how and why we cant just think. The core refining process is simple distillation . Because crude oil is made up of a mixture of hydrocarbons, this first and basic refining process is aimed at separating the crude oil into its "fractions," the broad categories of its component hydrocarbons. Crude oil is heated and put into a still—a distillation column—and different products boil off and can be recovered at different temperatures. The lighter products—liquid petroleum gases (LPG), naphtha, and so-called "straight run" gasoline—are recovered at the lowest temperatures. Middle distillates—jet fuel, kerosene, distillates (such as home heating oil and diesel fuel)—come next. Finally, the heaviest products (residuum or residual fuel oil) are recovered, sometimes at temperatures over 1000 degrees F. The simplest refineries stop at this point. Other refineries reprocess the heavier fractions into lighter products to maximize the output of the most desirable products. Just know that the cabals or bunch of mudaphukers will paint the picture that refining crude is just a sophisticated thing but igbos have done that ages and Nigerian can grasp it, the reason why refinaries wont work is simple, Nigerian intellectual laziness and dirty tendencies and also inability to think out of the box and finally we have been ruled by bunch of donkeys in the name of rulers and leaders. What is in refining oil. Get a container set it heat and at a particular temperature PMS comes out and a particular temperature DPK and other products come out. If they cant get it right they should consult the Biafrans if they are proud to do this they should consult the creeks boys in Bayelsa, I shouldn’t be teaching you chemistry but the truth must be told, kabals wont allow the refinery to work…SIMPLE BREAK DOWN OF SIMPLE REFINARY The most important refinery product is motor gasoline, a blend of hydrocarbons with boiling ranges from ambient temperatures to about 400° F. The important qualities for gasoline are octane number (antiknock), volatility (starting and vapor lock), and vapor pressure (environmental control). Additives are often used to enhance performance and provide protection against oxidation and rust formation. Kerosene is a refined middle-distillate petroleum product that finds considerable use as a jet fuel and around the world in cooking and space heating. When used as a jet fuel, some of the critical qualities are freeze point, flash point, and smoke point. Commercial jet fuel has a boiling range of about 375°-525° F, and military jet fuel 130°-550° F. Kerosene, with less-critical specifications, is used for lighting, heating, solvents, and blending into diesel fuel. Liquified petroleum gas (LPG) consists principally of propane and butane and is produced for use as fuel and is an intermediate material in the manufacture of petrochemicals. The important specifications for proper performance include vapor pressure and control of contaminants. Distillate fuels such as diesel fuels and domestic heating oils have boiling ranges of about 400°-700° F. The desirable qualities required for distillate fuels include controlled flash and pour points, clean burning, no deposit formation in storage tanks, and a proper diesel fuel cetane rating for good starting and combustion. Residual fuels are heavier oils, known as No. 5 and No. 6 fuel oils, that remain after the distillate fuel oils and lighter hydrocarbons are distilled away in refinery operations. Many marine vessels, power plants, commercial buildings and industrial facilities use residual fuels or combinations of residual and distillate fuels for heating and processing. The two most critical specifications of residual fuels are viscosity and low sulfur content for environmental control. A variety of solvents, whose boiling points and hydrocarbon composition are closely controlled, are produced in refineries. These include benzene, toluene, and xylene. Petrochemicals are products derived from crude oil refining, such as ethylene, propylene, butylene, and isobutylene, that are primarily intended for use as chemical feedstocks in the production of plastics, synthetic fibers, synthetic rubbers, and other products. Lubricants are produced in special refining processes. Additives such as demulsifiers, antioxidants, and viscosity improvers are blended into the base stocks to provide the characteristics required for motor oils, industrial greases, lubricants, and cutting oils. The most critical quality for lubricating-oil base stock is a high viscosity index, which provides for greater consistency under varying temperatures. Coke is a residue high in carbon content and low in hydrogen that is the final product of thermal decomposition in the condensation process in cracking. It is almost pure carbon with a variety of uses from electrodes to charcoal briquets. Asphalt is dark brown-to-black cement-like material obtained by petroleum processing and containing bitumens as the predominant component. It used primarily for road construction and roofing materials, and thus must be inert to most chemicals and weather conditions. BROS YOUR OWN BRIAN SHARP PASS THE OTHER PERSON OOO , FOR ME I SURGEST THE GIVE YOU THE CONTRACT OO 2 Likes |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by baralatie(m): 11:03am On May 11, 2015 |
Toks2008:every thing you talk up there is assumption! 1.how much and in how many years will a new refinery be built. 2.what is the capacity of three refineries and what is the demand of Nigeria now 3.does The Fg have the enabling law protecting investor (local or indigenous) to do business in the upstream. 4.do local or indigenous firms have resources to partake and engage in oil and gas business without denying The country its revenue. |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by supereagle(m): 11:05am On May 11, 2015 |
GMB has passion and political will to fix the problem. |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by Sunnybobo3(m): 11:09am On May 11, 2015 |
onegig: The people who refine petrol in the Niger Delta using the method you described above can't be compared to conventional refineries. 1.) They do not buy their crude oil, they steal it. 2.) They do not buy the logs of fire wood you mentioned, they get it locally It's like saying that since I can make orange juice at home with a few oranges from the orange in my garden, Nigeria can then manufacture orange juice at a price cheaper than imported ones. Nigeria cultivates groundnut yet imported groundnut oil is cheaper. We have large palm plantations yet it is cheaper to import oil from Malaysia. It's not about the process, it's about the final cost of production. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by baralatie(m): 11:13am On May 11, 2015 |
Sunnybobo3:now you guys are asking the right questions! |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by Sunnybobo3(m): 11:15am On May 11, 2015 |
baralatie: ?? |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by Sunnybobo3(m): 11:18am On May 11, 2015 |
Generalkorex: Nobody is arguing or doubting the ability or capacity to refine crude in Nigeria. Based on the present political economics reality on ground, at what cost will a litre be refined in Nigeria? |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by baralatie(m): 11:19am On May 11, 2015 |
Sunnybobo3:if you ask the right question to a problem you get the right answers! |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by tonychristopher: 11:21am On May 11, 2015 |
[quote author=cochexky post=33626146][/quote] Lol They won't ....they will say I am not a card carrying member of a party and no go oxford or Harvard Lol |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by baralatie(m): 11:22am On May 11, 2015 |
Sunnybobo3:the cost will be market driven! |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by Sunnybobo3(m): 11:23am On May 11, 2015 |
baralatie: Considering present realities, do you think fuel refined in Nigeria would be cheaper than one imported? |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by Pavore9: 11:25am On May 11, 2015 |
Sunnybobo3: We do not have comparative advantage when it comes to yams as very few are even now cultivating it at subsistence level as it is seen more as a male crop and the men have migrated to urban areas but when it comes to tubers like cocoyam and cassava, it is the women's forte and there is always a cassava farm around. |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by tonychristopher: 11:27am On May 11, 2015 |
Sunnybobo3: Economies of scale Simple We can't be importing pms..we import jobs and lose ours If we can keep refining in small quanties we developed comparative advantage |
Re: Why Our Refineries Can't Work, At Least For Now. by baralatie(m): 11:28am On May 11, 2015 |
Sunnybobo3:let us see its practicability; 1.there are three refineries with a combined capacity of 18million litres a day. if those three refineries are sold out to different Coys plus dangote refineries coming up. the competition will force the price/ litre down to a sustainable limit. |
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