xwolverine:



1. the F2 auto-cannon is similar to the M230 - Fact
So the limitation remains relevant

2. You based your argument on the Rooivalk's gun, not me. I only schooled you on the F2 and other autocannon's limitations.

3. Irrelevant rebuttal.

Rooivalk - Old radar system with limited range.
T-129 - 128 Target acquisition simultaneously and ability to prioritise targets.

Rooivalk - 1990s tech, no longer in production.
T-129 - 2009 tech, currently in production.

patches689:


If you need to announce that someone has been defeated it is usually pretty obvious that they have not been.

jln115:

1. NAF does not have the T129
2. NAF does not have the T129
3. NAF does not have the T129
4. NAF does not have the T129

Henry120:


So this is what you have been reduced to.

patches689:


He has been reduced to the truth?

We have seen this before:

- Tucano
- T80 Oplot
- Su30
- JF-17
- FH-77 B05 L52
- Missile Armed OPV

Nothing now, this debate is simply academic

agaugust:
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Watch my next video, it answers your question but also shows you have a low calibre brain that needs total upgrade to function on Nairaland



Gatling gun fires about 50 bullets per second.....confirmed !

One trigger pull will release 3 bullets in so short a time, split seconds so fast you cannot measure the time with a normal clock, it is as fast as if all 3 bullets came out together, the time difference is split seconds and infinitesimal, the time between the 3 bullets release is so short it's almost simultaneous....confirmed by video expert analysis of Gatling gun mechanism posted below.

Yes, T-129 has more firepower than Rooivalk.

All South Africans are foooools, your entire nation fails science on a daily basis [/size]


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLEGE7k9FD4
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Henry120:


-Tucano, originally evaluated and dropped.
-T80 Oplot, 2 examples exported to Nigeria for evaluation.
- SU-30, still under evaluation
- JF-17, Pakistani Airforce chief said Nigeria wanted 1-2 squadrons.
- FH-77, an error, later corrected.
- missile armed OPV, OPV's feature an open architecture and can be easily armed.

patches689:


And yet you claimed to have all these things

and yet

You have none of them

patches689:


Rooivalk:

- Bigger round from autocannon, more ammunition

- larger weapons payload

- more weapons hard points

- longer loiter time, range, performance characteristics (despite the bigger payload)

- combat tested

1. So the limitation is that it cannot engage MBT's? Yes, we all know this.

2. What limitations? Is the F2 the same as the autocannon found on the Apache?

3. Your citation does not refer to the F2 autocannon. It refers to a completely different auto-canon with different capabilities.

xwolverine:


All autocannons have the same limitation, except you can prove yours is a genius invention of science. The mere fact that you don't even know about the overheating of autocannons and guns in general, call to question your level of knowledge about these systems.

If the F2 was so wonderful that it doesn't overheat, then the Eurocopter Tiger used by the French (the original manufacturers of the F2), would be using the F2 and not the superior GIAT 30 cannon in chin turret(used on the Rafales). The apache longbow still has this limitation, talkless of the Rooivalk. Like seriously


So you would actually advice your helicopter to loiter in combat when the enemy could fire anti-aircraft missiles.



Did you just say that Rooivalk is combat tested?
Against Seleka rebels fighting with hoes and cutlasses.

Ignorance is bliss, no wonder you equate military participation to the number of dead soldiers.

patches689:


Rooivalk:

- Bigger round from autocannon, more ammunition

- larger weapons payload

- more weapons hard points

- combat tested

xwolverine:


If the F2 was so wonderful that it doesn't overheat, then the Eurocopter Tiger used by the French (the original manufacturers of the F2), would be using the F2 and not the superior GIAT 30 cannon in chin turret

xwolverine:




So you would actually advice your helicopter to loiter in combat when the enemy could fire anti-aircraft missiles.

agaugust:


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T-129 has current war experience in Turkey against PKK rebels who are more powerful than M23.

Rooivalk needed partnership with European MI-35 Hinds to do one lone combat in Congo DRC.

T-129 is on it's job without foreign from Ukrainian air force Hind helicopter.

The T-129 can carry 3 guns, one 3 barrel Gatling on nose, and extra two gun pods on wings.

Your Rooivalk is still stuck with only one gun with one barrel.

Rooivalk CANNOT fire one single guided rocket, all it's pod of rockets fire dumb munition, many shots wasted to get one kill on a moving target

T-129 carries 4 laser guided pods with many precision guided rockets, one shot, one kill on moving target

Obsolete Rooivalk, ultra-modern T-129.

The T-129 will fire 10 laser precision guided rockets and kill 10 high speed mobile targets one after the other without sweat, the Rooivalk will need to struggle with many wasted rockets to kill one target, then repeates the same slow process and wasteful process 10 times, by the time T-129 has gone back home to base, the Rooivalk is still struggling to hit target, most of whom have escaped at high speed.

T-129 firepower is a clear winner over the Rooivalk, we are only having this debate because South Africans don't mind saying the earth is flat and not round, as long as it makes them sleep peacefully at night, self-delusion is always your pleasure. Congrats !

PHOTO : T-129 CARRIES MANY OF THIS LASER GUIDED PRECISION ROCKET....NO RIVAL[/s]

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xwolverine:

The mere fact that you don't even know about the overheating of autocannons and guns in general, call to question your level of knowledge about these systems.




Did you just say that Rooivalk is combat tested?
Against Seleka rebels fighting with hoes and cutlasses.

xwolverine:


Ignorance is bliss, no wonder you equate military participation to the number of dead soldiers.

Henry120:


So this is what you have been reduced to.

"A common troll like patches689 and mikeczar?".

Henry120:


"Fifth-generation fighters are already flying, but only second-generation tanks are in the inventories throughout the entire world. So the Armata will become the first series-produced third-generation tank "

The T-14 is the world's only 3rd generation Tank.

Stop hating boy!! You're like the South-African version of chukwucantdie.


The F-22 is an untested fighter, yet you refer to it as the world's best Air-superiority fighter.


Now, this is one of your most r3tarded comments yet, and you have many. You refer to the Rafale as the world's best JSF ahead of Fifth generation F-35's despite it been a virtually untested expensive fighter.

ChukwuCantDie:
Chukwucantdie is the smartest man on Nairaland, dont you DARE COMPARE ME TO SUCH GUYS

ChukwuCantDie:
patches689 you were supposed to have died of AIDS by now but yet you still live to talk about real Africans everyday of your life you impure mixed up piss coloured piece of sh1t

patches689:


Is that what I said?

I equate combat with dead soldiers.

Niger and Cameroon are employing aggressive maneuvers and taking the fight to Boko Haram - high mobility high intensity operations designed to corner and engage boko haram formations. Suffering casualties is inevitable.

patches689:



As apposed to the Nigerian army, slow and cumbersome operations, a lack of mobility and aggression. You allow Boko Haram to melt away as you are more obsessed with territory than with engaging rather than engaging enemy formations.

patches689:


If you need to announce that someone has been defeated it is usually pretty obvious that they have not been.

patches689:

Its not the Colonel
Its some deranged fool pretending to be him.
Thus: Your post is empty

patches689:


This proves that he posts on beegugug's blog how?

agaugust:


Modern self loading multiple shot hunting rifle, not Zulu hunting spear. You are as obsolete as a Rooivalk.



Envy + Inferiority Complex = Suicide
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agaugust:


Two 7.62 mm calibre bullets from AK-47 rifle means a total physical mass of metal 15.24 mm is lodged inside y.our forehead
.

agaugust:


Sure, a 3 barrel gatling gun from T-129 is enough to make you drop your coffee and run like SANDF, it's more deadly than 1,000 Seleka rifles.

Less powerful round? How?

102 mm Vs 139 mm, both will k.ill

So how is 102 mm less powerful? Can you survive it?

Nigerian AK-47 is 7.62 mm calibre

South African R-4 rifle is 5.56 mm calibre

You have just admitted that AK-47 rifle has a more powerful bullet than R-4 rifle. Thank you
.

agaugust:


Oh really? I am sure we were talking about submarine warfare because you said Nigerian Lynx helicopter has no torpedoes and that SAN will sail submarine to attack Nigeria and we can do nothing about it. That is what you said and everybody read it here !

Are torpedoes guided by radar inside water? Yesterday was a bad day for y.ou man !

Nigeria has anti-submarine warfare capability.

CASE CLOSED

agaugust:


Post the MRLS source here for us to verify dude, and stop acting like you have Down's Syndrome, born m0ron !
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patches689:


Rooivalk:

- Bigger round from autocannon, more ammunition

- larger weapons payload

- more weapons hard points

- longer loiter time, range, performance characteristics (despite the bigger payload)

- combat tested

1. So the limitation is that it cannot engage MBT's? Yes, we all know this.

2. What limitations? Is the F2 the same as the autocannon found on the Apache?

3. Your citation does not refer to the F2 autocannon. It refers to a completely different auto-canon with different capabilities.

T-129 is a lightweight armed-recon platform, it is not a true-blue heavyweight tank hunter like the Z-10, Rooivalk, Apache, Mi Mil-28 or Ka-50(52)

Your T-129 is more akin to the Tiger, HAL, Kawasaki OH-1, Korean AH-X and Cobra family.

The T-129 is a skirmisher compared to the juggernaught that is the Rooivalk. Not only that, but the Rooivalk has all round better performance - despite its size and weapons payload.

All statistics support this.