mzilakazi:



There is no proof that Nigeria has a BB, the same way you say SANDF has no VLAP despite the fact that Denel is owned by SANDF in extension.


By the way SANDF guns with a BB record a range of over 39KM.

There is no list of countries that buy BB shell, you go to war assuming your enemy has it, or else you get deleted by artillery. BB is unguided shell and nobody records is ownership worldwide. A country that buys $200 million worth of Bofors artillery will afford a few thousand dollar BB shells.

SANDF is a non profit organization, DENEL is a profit making business corp, it does not donate free weapons to anybody.

Mokopa was not ordered, means SANDF needs to order and pay for weapons from DENEL, why order and pay to buy what you claim you own?

You did not finish secondary school brah, you have zero knowledge of business and global economic principles, it's people like you that wrecked South Africa after Nigerian forced your white-masters to hand over a great nation to you, now you reduced that nation to a place that needs illiterate Somali refugees to teach you how to run a small spaza shop in your own homeland.....shame !
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agaugust:


god ? We christians don't believe in gods, we believe in God almighty.

All we know is South Africans worship Mandela like your god.

The air argument is about freezing cold air in snow covered top of mountain Himalayas where the Bofors artillery was fighting. That is not ordinary high altitude in just any city of the world, we were talking about snow covered mountain top where the air is at freezing icy temperatures, and it is denser than any air you have in a normal world.

I proved that with a source from American weather scientists, nothing can beat their professionalism, they have concluded in agreement with my statement.

Keep sulking, does not change the experts report.

You dont understand your own link. Nor do you understand what i said. No it is not denser than standard air, because its at a lower pressure. You are out of your very shallow depth.

agaugust:

There is no list of countries that buy BB shell, you go to war assuming your enemy has it, or else you get deleted by artillery. BB is unguided shell and nobody records is ownership worldwide. A country that buys $200 million worth of Bofors artillery will afford a few thousand dollar BB shells.
SANDF is a non profit organization, DENEL is a profit making business corp, it does not donate free weapons to anybody.
Mokopa was not ordered, means SANDF needs to order and pay for weapons from DENEL, why order and pay to buy what you claim you own?
You did not finish secondary school brah, you have zero knowledge of business and global economic principles, it's people like you that wrecked South Africa after Nigerian forced your white-masters to hand over a great nation to you, now you reduced that nation to a place that needs illiterate Somali refugees to teach you how to run a small spaza shop in your own homeland.....shame !
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There is no countries VLAP list as well, simple. Denel is owned by SA government which SANDF belong. What is in Denel store indirectly belong to SANDF. The military will use it in times of war, that's why what is in Denel stock is regarded as SANDF invisible weapon inventory.

jln115:
For anyone interested in South Africas EW capabilities:

Old Crows meet at Aardvark Roost

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39120:old-crows-meet-at-aardvark-roost&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

Interesting, your South African experts agree that your data-link of Gripen jets and Olifant tanks CANNOT save you from Boko Haram.

"A common thread among speakers was that having a main battle tank, a Gripen fighter and frigate all data linked together will have no bearing when fighting an asymmetric force such as ISIS or Boko Haram. Using local knowledge and thick jungle, rebel forces can move a hundred vehicles through three countries in one night, undetected. "

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39120:old-crows-meet-at-aardvark-roost&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

Wow ! Nigerian military are true Napoleons to have defeated Boko Haram that crosses back and forth from Nigeria to Cameroon, to Chad, to Niger Republique at random, and at night, even dressed as civilians !

The day SANDF faces an enemy in the class of Boko Haram , the world will laugh SANDF to scorn, mumus who cannot defeat Rhino poachers inside Kruger park
.

mzilakazi:


There is no countries VLAP list as well, simple.

If you import or export guided shell/rocket boosted shell it will be listed by SIPRI.

SANDF has voluntarily listed it's own shells, only Base Bleed, NO VLAP, stop lying dude !

DENEL VLAP shell is NOT in service with any army in this world
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agaugust:


Interesting, your South African experts agree that your data-link of Gripen jets and Olifant tanks CANNOT save you from Boko Haram.

"A common thread among speakers was that having a main battle tank, a Gripen fighter and frigate all data linked together will have no bearing when fighting an asymmetric force such as ISIS or Boko Haram. Using local knowledge and thick jungle, rebel forces can move a hundred vehicles through three countries in one night, undetected. "

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39120:old-crows-meet-at-aardvark-roost&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

Wow ! Nigerian military are true Napoleons to have defeated Boko Haram that crosses back and forth from Nigeria to Cameroon, to Chad, to Niger Republique at random, and at night, even dressed as civilians !

The day SANDF faces an enemy in the class of Boko Haram , the world will laugh SANDF to scorn, mumus who cannot defeat Rhino poachers inside Kruger park
.

You misread the statement. the statement applied to data link in general on global terms. Now they want to bring in some improvements for the whole world.

The work that took more than 120 000 strong Nigerian soldiers six years to complete could only take Mr Barlow and his men only three months to complete.

Thanks Mr Barlow for saving the face of Nigeria.

saengine:


You dont understand your own link. Nor do you understand what i said. No it is not denser than standard air, because its at a lower pressure. You are out of your very shallow depth.

You need more than a mouth full of insults to defeat these American weather professionals and their scientific fact


"Cold air contracts, becomes more dense, and thus heavier than warm air." www.ussartf.org/predicting_weather.htm
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mzilakazi:


What is in Denel stock is regarded as SANDF invisible weapon inventory.

Invisible weapons? Witchcraft?
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agaugust:


If you import or export guided shell/rocket boosted shell it will be listed by SIPRI.

SANDF has voluntarily listed it's own shells, only Base Bleed, NO VLAP, stop lying dude !

DENEL VLAP shell is NOT in service with any army in this world
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How sure are we that Nigeria has BB from just an ordinary shells. Nigeria is no special here since it cannot be proven that they have BB shells. We just only making uninformed conclusions that maybe they could be having BB shells.

Denel has VLAP rounds and have been tested. Denel does not have to sell them to other countries to prove that they have VLAP.

agaugust:


You need more than a mouth full of insults to defeat these American weather professionals and their scientific fact


"Cold air contracts, becomes more dense, and thus heavier than warm air." www.ussartf.org/predicting_weather.htm
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Again. You dont even understand your own link. They are very very correct. "Cold air contracts, becomes more dense, and thus heavier than warm air." Very correct.

The part that you will never ever understand is that fact applies to air at the same pressure. When you open your fridge, the cold air sinks to your feet because because it is denser/heavier than the warm air around it. But...the air pressure in your fridge and surroundings are the same, thats why that happens.


Air at very high altitude on the other hand is at a much lower pressure than at sea level. Hence it will not be denser than air at sea level, even though it is colder. I asked...why do jet liners need to be pressurized when flying at high altitude? The air there is much colder than air at sea level. So according to you, it must be denser than air at sea level. So why do they pressurized commercial jets? Can your mind even grasp that question?

I told you, you are out of your intellectual depth. This argument is not for you. You have no clue what you are talking about.

agaugust:

Invisible weapons? Witchcraft?
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Bwahaha… meaning at war times, Denel will have the responsibility to manufacture and supply weapons to the military at a cost of tax payers money. Free of charge.

agaugust:


You need more than a mouth full of insults to defeat these American weather professionals and their scientific fact


"Cold air contracts, becomes more dense, and thus heavier than warm air." www.ussartf.org/predicting_weather.htm
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What exactly do you want to tell us about cold and warm air? We know that warm air is less denser than cold air but that does not mean that air on the lower altitudes is less dense than the air at higher altitudes.

agaugust:


Interesting, your South African experts agree that your data-link of Gripen jets and Olifant tanks CANNOT save you from Boko Haram.

"A common thread among speakers was that having a main battle tank, a Gripen fighter and frigate all data linked together will have no bearing when fighting an asymmetric force such as ISIS or Boko Haram. Using local knowledge and thick jungle, rebel forces can move a hundred vehicles through three countries in one night, undetected. "

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39120:old-crows-meet-at-aardvark-roost&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

Wow ! Nigerian military are true Napoleons to have defeated Boko Haram that crosses back and forth from Nigeria to Cameroon, to Chad, to Niger Republique at random, and at night, even dressed as civilians !

The day SANDF faces an enemy in the class of Boko Haram , the world will laugh SANDF to scorn, mumus who cannot defeat Rhino poachers inside Kruger park
.

Dude whats your point? When did i say a Data-link will provide an advantage when fighting an asymmetric force? South Africa basically invented Gorilla Warfare during the Boere War, we are experts in the field!

The fact is an enemy like ISIS or Boko Harm will never be allowed to gain such power in South Africa as they did in Syria and Nigeria, They wouldve been destroyed before they knew they even existed!

agaugust:


Interesting, your South African experts agree that your data-link of Gripen jets and Olifant tanks CANNOT save you from Boko Haram.

"A common thread among speakers was that having a main battle tank, a Gripen fighter and frigate all data linked together will have no bearing when fighting an asymmetric force such as ISIS or Boko Haram. Using local knowledge and thick jungle, rebel forces can move a hundred vehicles through three countries in one night, undetected. "

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39120:old-crows-meet-at-aardvark-roost&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

Wow ! Nigerian military are true Napoleons to have defeated Boko Haram that crosses back and forth from Nigeria to Cameroon, to Chad, to Niger Republique at random, and at night, even dressed as civilians !

The day SANDF faces an enemy in the class of Boko Haram , the world will laugh SANDF to scorn, mumus who cannot defeat Rhino poachers inside Kruger park
.

Link-ZA.

SWAPO, ZANLA, Mk and others were better trained and led at times by Soviet officers. BH is nothing compared to Southern Africa guerrilla freedom fighters!

BH is not defeated.

mzilakazi:
Eben with his mouth, confessed that they flew NAF gunships and helicopters, transporting the strike force. They used gunships to attack, they tracked and attacked the enermy in a warzone. Is that not enough to prove to you that he was directly involved.
Your new master, Mr Barlow.

Some of the new hardwares we purchased{including REVA MRAPs,Gazelle helicopters and even SAMIL multipurpose heavy trucks} were new to the inventory,therefore,we needed relevant skill in operating them,but the problem was: we had no time to learn,it would take weeks{at minimum} to even learn how to properly navigate an armed gazelle!.
The SA PMCs were learned in operating these hardwares mainly because some of the logistics were south african made hardwares.
Hence,the south african PMCs were mandated to assist our air and land forces in operating some of the new equipments on the battle field until such a time that we mastered them ourselves,this may have included flying of helicopters.

EVarn:
Some of the new hardwares we purchased{including REVA MRAPs,Gazelle helicopters and even SAMIL multipurpose heavy trucks} were new to the inventory,therefore,we needed relevant skill in operating them,but the problem was: we had no time to learn,it would take weeks{at minimum} to even learn how to properly navigate an armed gazelle!.
The SA PMCs were learned in operating these hardwares mainly because some of the logistics were south african made hardwares.
Hence,the south african PMCs were mandated to assist our air and land forces in operating some of the new equipments on the battle field until such a time that we mastered them ourselves,this may have included flying of helicopters.

Those are the lies which your government fed you. The PMCs were contracted to kill BH and to train your elite forces. They had the contract to fight with them hand in hand in battle area. However, Barlow said his men were always the first to launch attack.

What is so difficult about driving a Reva MRAP? Especially for troops who have driven similar vehicles before? You needed weeks and weeks to show you where you start it and how to turn the steering wheel? They needed weeks and weeks to learn how to operate its machine gun? Reva has no high tech systems such as laser guided missiles. Eben Barlow set up, and trained Nigeria's 72 Strike Force. Why couldn't the mighty Nigerian army set it up on its own? How can a PRIVATE COMPANY set up, train and deploy an entire operational unit within another country? Very few things are more embarrassing. Like i said before, it should be called 72 Strike Force Pty Ltd. Maybe they should list on the stock exchange as well.

agaugust:


Interesting, your South African experts agree that your data-link of Gripen jets and Olifant tanks CANNOT save you from Boko Haram.

"A common thread among speakers was that having a main battle tank, a Gripen fighter and frigate all data linked together will have no bearing when fighting an asymmetric force such as ISIS or Boko Haram. Using local knowledge and thick jungle, rebel forces can move a hundred vehicles through three countries in one night, undetected. "

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=39120:old-crows-meet-at-aardvark-roost&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

Wow ! Nigerian military are true Napoleons to have defeated Boko Haram that crosses back and forth from Nigeria to Cameroon, to Chad, to Niger Republique at random, and at night, even dressed as civilians !

The day SANDF faces an enemy in the class of Boko Haram , the world will laugh SANDF to scorn, mumus who cannot defeat Rhino poachers inside Kruger park
.

The South Africans helped you fight Boko Haram, so how will they turn into a laughing stock if they defeated BH just in three months time when your army took six years.

Boko Haram will never survive in SA. We are definitely not a rag tag Nigerian Army.

I say again, poachers are not a terrorist group and neither are guerillas. They are criminals just like bank robbers. No one can stop robbers to exist, there will always be robbers and thus poachers. Poaching is a crime and not a terrorism.

Tell the poachers to confront SANDF, the same way BH bravely challenged your army. Tell them to arm themselves and attack or ambush SANDF and see that their existence will come to an end sooner than expected.

mzilakazi:



Bwahaha… meaning at war times, Denel will have the responsibility to manufacture and supply weapons to the military at a cost of tax payers money. Free of charge.

No wonder DENEL collapsed twice into heavy financial debt, thanks to your BEE made inefficient black Sowet brains now in management positions in your mumu nation
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jln115:

Dude whats your point? When did i say a Data-link will provide an advantage when fighting an asymmetric force? South Africa basically invented Gorilla Warfare during the Boere War, we are experts in the field!

The fact is an enemy like ISIS or Boko Harm will never be allowed to gain such power in South Africa as they did in Syria and Nigeria, They wouldve been destroyed before they knew they even existed!

Try defeat local Rhino poachers first, because Boko Haram will be too big for South Africa alone, you will need many brigade sized permanent United Nations troops deployment in every city in South Africa to help you, that`s for sure......your army is too weak to fight with your 30 battalions of HIV sick SANDF soldiers
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mzilakazi:


Tell the poachers to confront SANDF, the same way BH bravely challenged your army. Tell them to arm themselves and attack or ambush SANDF and see that their existence will come to an end sooner than expected.

Actually the Rhino poachers decided not to confront SANDF, the poachers had a better strategy, so thyey just dribbled SANDF and SAAF around the bush inside your own homeland, including special lands allocated to SANDF as army owned land

Your sick army never really finds the poachers, your troops just see dead de-horned Rhinos everywhere, the poacher escapes your air force air patrol and army special forces as usual. LOL, talk about local poachers beating SANDF in it`s own game.....bush warfare, now poacher becomes bush master

Jacom Zuma frustrated, he begs Botswana for help, Rhinos removed into exile in Botswana, SANDF fails at home, GAME OVER
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mzilakazi:


Those are the lies which your government fed you. The PMCs were contracted to kill BH and to train your elite forces. They had the contract to fight with them hand in hand in battle area. However, Barlow said his men were always the first to launch attack.

Citation needed from Eben Barlow himself on his website
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saengine:
What is so difficult about driving a Reva MRAP? Especially for troops who have driven similar vehicles before? You needed weeks and weeks to show you where you start it and how to turn the steering wheel? They needed weeks and weeks to learn how to operate its machine gun? Reva has no high tech systems such as laser guided missiles. Eben Barlow set up, and trained Nigeria's 72 Strike Force. Why couldn't the mighty Nigerian army set it up on its own? How can a PRIVATE COMPANY set up, train and deploy an entire operational unit within another country? Very few things are more embarrassing. Like i said before, it should be called 72 Strike Force Pty Ltd. Maybe they should list on the stock exchange as well.

His 5 men trained 120 men, is that equal to an army ?

LOL, the strike force does not even have tank or artillery, just guns. Rifle team won`t defeat Boko Haram that has tanks and anti-aircraft guns
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agaugust:


His 5 men trained 120 men, is that equal to an army ?

LOL, the strike force does not even have tank or artillery, just guns. Rifle team won`t defeat Boko Haram that has tanks and anti-aircraft guns
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Did i say army? I said operational unit. Learn to read. 120 men is a big unit...trained by a private company. Embarrassing.

You see how your brain skips many details when you are desperate? Let me school you with an example. Small units of special forces in deep penetration missions do not drive around in tanks and use artillery, but they are still highly effective with only their rifles. So effectiveness of a unit is not directly proportional to it having tanks and artillery, it is directly proportional to that unit's specific mandate. Do teams of special forces make up an entire army? Are they not still effective? Before you say 72 SF is not special forces, again...this is just an example.

Again, a PRIVATE COMPANY developed, trained and deployed an entire operational unit within the Nigerian army. Embarrasssment of the highest order.

72 Strike Force Pty Ltd

agaugust:


Citation needed from Eben Barlow himself on his website
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That is so stupi.d more than the word itself. Why would Barlow speak what he writes on his website as if he is programmed like a robot. He has his personal opinion and many staff he would speak about that are not necessary on his website.

agaugust:


Actually the Rhino poachers decided not to confront SANDF, the poachers had a better strategy, so thyey just dribbled SANDF and SAAF around the bush inside your own homeland, including special lands allocated to SANDF as army owned land

Your sick army never really finds the poachers, your troops just see dead de-horned Rhinos everywhere, the poacher escapes your air force air patrol and army special forces as usual. LOL, talk about local poachers beating SANDF in it`s own game.....bush warfare, now poacher becomes bush master

Jacom Zuma frustrated, he begs Botswana for help, Rhinos removed into exile in Botswana, SANDF fails at home, GAME OVER
.

You reason exactly like my son. In actual fact, anti poaching is not even the responsibility of SANDF, it is only helping. Rhino poachers are just like robbers, they commit opportunity crimes. Whenever the opportunity comes they strike and kill a rhino, just like robbers would rob the bank. Nobody would ever stop crimes of robberies, same as poaching, you can only control it.

Moving rhinos to Botswana was a security strategy as it was thought poaching was an inside job. However, the rhinos are back home and new strategy of electronic tracking and surveillance is now perfectly working well to reduce poaching by over 50%.

saengine:
What is so difficult about driving a Reva MRAP? Especially for troops who have driven similar vehicles before? You needed weeks and weeks to show you where you start it and how to turn the steering wheel? They needed weeks and weeks to learn how to operate its machine gun? Reva has no high tech systems such as laser guided missiles. Eben Barlow set up, and trained Nigeria's 72 Strike Force. Why couldn't the mighty Nigerian army set it up on its own? How can a PRIVATE COMPANY set up, train and deploy an entire operational unit within another country? Very few things are more embarrassing. Like i said before, it should be called 72 Strike Force Pty Ltd. Maybe they should list on the stock exchange as well.

Did they hire Chinese mercinaries to teach them how to drive the South African designed and refined "Bigfoot" MRAP.

agaugust:


His 5 men trained 120 men, is that equal to an army ?

LOL, the strike force does not even have tank or artillery, just guns. Rifle team won`t defeat Boko Haram that has tanks and anti-aircraft guns
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It used as the tip of the spear. At the forefront of any offensive.

Your regular soldiers match behind the force.

agaugust:


Try defeat local Rhino poachers first, because Boko Haram will be too big for South Africa alone, you will need many brigade sized permanent United Nations troops deployment in every city in South Africa to help you, that`s for sure......your army is too weak to fight with your 30 battalions of HIV sick SANDF soldiers
.

why deploy high numbers when a small group of "real men" can get the job done?

Quality Vs Quantity.

A NUMBER OF BOKO HARAM/ISWA FIGHTERS CURRENTLY UNDERGOING INTENSIVE TRAINING IN IRAQ'S CAPITAL,MOSUL-ISIS CALIPHATE HEADQUATERS,WERE KILLED TODAY BY AN IRAQI YOUTH MILITIA
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http://www.basnews.com/en/news/2015/05/13/boko-haram-members-killed-in-mosul

agaugust:


Try defeat local Rhino poachers first, because Boko Haram will be too big for South Africa alone, you will need many brigade sized permanent United Nations troops deployment in every city in South Africa to help you, that`s for sure......your army is too weak to fight with your 30 battalions of HIV sick SANDF soldiers
.

Try to protect your own citizens first, before you start mouthing of about the SANDF not being able to protect a few animals, which isn't even their job to protect!