Henry120:


1. Are you blind, those are wing tip AIR-Air missiles.

2. There is no evidence your Fighter jets were in the DRC. A fan boys page isn't evidence.

Provide evidence from the DRC.

3. You achieved no objective in the CAR. Your troops asking for Half-French's, Transport Helicopters and APC's had no idea what they were supposed to do in the CAR either.

4. All evidence on the ground stated clearly your troops were roundly defeated. Reuters, BBC , the UN agency, etc etc all same the same thing.

5. Your troops and their political class are a bunch of cowards.

We achieved our objective through operation Vimbela (protect). Our main objective was to make sure Mr Bozize does not die. Did he die? NO. then the objective is realised, case closed. Secondly, our objective was not to fight Seleka and meddle between the coup. Such is illegal and prosecutable by international criminal court and it equally contravenes Geneva conventions. Our politicians are wise and couldn't have greedily declared war against a rebel group whose cause does not concern us. To do that they will first have to get approval from the UN first.

Whoever told you that we asked help from the French told you lies. We fought the enemy ourselves and defeated it ourselves, but with truly with costs. They caught us flat footed I must say, but we managed to handle them to a dead lock until they raised a white flag pleading for a cease fire.

Professor Henry, those jets were seen in Zambia and of course they were on stand-by well prepared to crash Seleka whenever they were called on duty. Yes, they were armed with air to ground missiles.

The only cowards as political heads are your cabinet which went all out to hire mercenaries to fight BH while they had defence of their own which they never trusted. Of course they saw your military as not equal to the task and instead went ahead with the scheme of lining up the pockets of Mr Barlow. All that he said was "thank you Nigeria" for a Christmas gift.
Cowards.


The evidence that our jets were taking a breath at Ndola Airport, Zambia as captured by Afrikaans Newspaper Beeld cameraman.



http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/1196/sa-was-ready-for-more


http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30633:rooivalks-gripens-and-troops-were-sent-to-the-car&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

Henry120:


1. Are you blind, those are wing tip AIR-Air missiles.

2. There is no evidence your Fighter jets were in the DRC. A fan boys page isn't evidence.

Provide evidence from the DRC.

3. You achieved no objective in the CAR. Your troops asking for Half-French's, Transport Helicopters and APC's had no idea what they were supposed to do in the CAR either.

4. All evidence on the ground stated clearly your troops were roundly defeated. Reuters, BBC , the UN agency, etc etc all same the same thing.

5. Your troops and their political class are a bunch of cowards.

1. Who says Air-to-Ground missiles cant be fixed on the wing tips?

2."Four Gripens were seen at Ndola airport in northern Zambia in early April, flying out of the Democratic Republic of Congo on their way back to South Africa, and carrying offensive weapons. The movement of Rooivalk and Gripen aircraft to the CAR region is believed to be the first time these assets have been deployed outside South Africa’s borders for potential combat operations."

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30633:rooivalks-gripens-and-troops-were-sent-to-the-car&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

3. Ask yourself this question: Did Bozize die? If your answer is NO, then we achieved our objective, secondly if this was not our objective according to you, and our objective was to protect Bangui then according to you it must also mean the French failed their objective to protect Bangui!

4. All evidence state that Seleke had more than 800 casualties vs 13 SANDF casualties...secondly all evidence state that Seleka raised the White flag!

5. Nigerian soldiers dressed up in women's clothing to hide from Boko Harm!!!

Hard evidence and truths that Henry will never want to read. Shame.
http://www.politicsweb.co.za/party/our-troops-killed-hundreds-in-car--sandf

DieVluit:

Pure lies. BH isn't even a fixed organisation. It has factions.
No such.

ISIS and Al-Quaeda arent fixed groups too,they both have different factions united under one chosen leader-the 'caliph emeritus'.No terrorist group is a fixed unilateral sect.
Shekau III is the guy currently holed up somewhere in the Mandara mountains{or according to reports,fleeing deep into the arid plains of somalia},Shekau I and II were both taken out of commission by precision assaults of the NA STF.In the beginning we targetted their leadership hierachy thinking that it would topple the entire sect formation-much like what the US led coalition is currently doing in Iraq,but they proved slier and more resilient.
But at last,as we can now see,BH is in its dying days.The rest,as I say,remains history.

mzilakazi:
Hard evidence and truths that Henry will never want to read. Shame.

http://www.politicsweb.co.za/party/our-troops-killed-hundreds-in-car--sandf

Post sources on the ground. SANDF troops did not kill more than 50 Seleka members. This is a fact.

Rueters, BBC, Aljazeera and the UN Agency all on the ground and all confirm you were beaten blue black.

mzilakazi:


We achieved our objective through operation Vimbela (protect). Our main objective was to make sure Mr Bozize does not die. Did he die? NO. then the objective is realised, case closed. Secondly, our objective was not to fight Seleka and meddle between the coup. Such is illegal and prosecutable by international criminal court and it equally contravenes Geneva conventions. Our politicians are wise and couldn't have greedily declared war against a rebel group whose cause does not concern us. To do that they will first have to get approval from the UN first.

Whoever told you that we asked help from the French told you lies. We fought the enemy ourselves and defeated it ourselves, but with truly with costs. They caught us flat footed I must say, but we managed to handle them to a dead lock until they raised a white flag pleading for a cease fire.

Professor Henry, those jets were seen in Zambia and of course they were on stand-by well prepared to crash Seleka whenever they were called on duty. Yes, they were armed with air to ground missiles.

The only cowards as political heads are your cabinet which went all out to hire mercenaries to fight BH while they had defence of their own which they never trusted. Of course they saw your military as not equal to the task and instead went ahead with the scheme of lining up the pockets of Mr Barlow. All that he said was "thank you Nigeria" for a Christmas gift.
Cowards.


The evidence that our jets were taking a breath at Ndola Airport, Zambia as captured by Afrikaans Newspaper Beeld cameraman.



http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/1196/sa-was-ready-for-more


http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30633:rooivalks-gripens-and-troops-were-sent-to-the-car&catid=111:sa-defence&Itemid=242

The SANDF did not have an objective in the CAR. You stup1d politicians sent SANDF personnel to die for nothing in the CAR.


Bozize fled the country to cameroun, he surely did not get any protection from your incompetent troops.


The Nigerian government did not hire a STTEP. Provide evidence the FGN hired foreign mercenaries from South-Africa?



Your Gripens armed with Air-to-Air missiles over 2000km from where they were needed...... fantastic!!

Henry120:


Post sources on the ground. SANDF troops did not kill more than 50 Seleka members. This is a fact.

Rueters, BBC, Aljazeera and the UN Agency all on the ground and all confirm you were beaten blue black.

Bwahaha… next time you will ask me to post source on the sky. However, here is an independent source.


http://www.africandefence.net/five-things-you-never-knew-about-the-south-african-military/

The winner in any battle is not determined by how many enermies you killed but of whether you achieved your objectives or not. Seleka failed to kill Bozize which was their arch achievement. They failed!!!! having stopped by us, the mighty SANDF. The only force you can trust in Africa.

Henry120:


The SANDF did not have an objective in the CAR. You stup1d politicians sent SANDF personnel to die for nothing in the CAR.


Bozize fled the country to cameroun, he surely did not get any protection from your incompetent troops.


The Nigerian government did not hire a STTEP. Provide evidence the FGN hired foreign mercenaries from South-Africa?



Your Gripens armed with Air-to-Air missiles over 2000km from where they were needed...... fantastic!!

Bozize phoned Pretoria to ask Zuma for a personal security since there were threats of having him killed. The leadership came with the solution that he will be protected by the SA elite force while at the same time will be training his armies so that they can carry on with the task while SA troops are gone. He was helped by us to get to the nearest country, Cameroon.


It is with no doubt that STTTE are your new masters and I can even show them with pictures if I want. A clear proof. I can as well quote from Jonathan speech admitting the presence of his masters in Nigeria. Bwahaha…

Gripens can take less than 20 minutes to fly that distance dude. Those are supersonic jets remember and not some passenger plane which will normally take an hour.

mzilakazi:



Bwahaha… next time you will ask me to post source on the sky. However, here is an independent source.


http://www.africandefence.net/five-things-you-never-knew-about-the-south-african-military/

The winner in any battle is not determined by how many enermies you killed but of whether you achieved your objectives or not. Seleka failed to kill Bozize which was their arch achievement. They failed!!!! having stopped by us, the mighty SANDF. The only force you can trust in Africa.

Are you blind? I said post an independent source on the ground.

You are busy posting news reports from South-African fan boys who wish they were in the days of the old SADF.

mzilakazi:



Bwahaha… next time you will ask me to post source on the sky. However, here is an independent source.


http://www.africandefence.net/five-things-you-never-knew-about-the-south-african-military/

The winner in any battle is not determined by how many enermies you killed but of whether you achieved your objectives or not. Seleka failed to kill Bozize which was their arch achievement. They failed!!!! having stopped by us, the mighty SANDF. The only force you can trust in Africa.

Exactly........ SELEKA completely whooped you weeping boys, brushed you aside, while the man you were supposed to protect fled the country.


Your incompetence shone through in the CAR.

Henry120:


Exactly........ SELEKA completely whooped you weeping boys, brushed you aside, while the man you were supposed to protect fled the country.


Your incompetence shone through in the CAR.

It seems as if you have a serious acute brain trauma. Seleka failed to kill Bozize and instead they asked for a way to the palace. Of course we can never stop a coup from happening, it is against the war conventions. Our objective was realised by saving the life of Bozize and his family. All we needed to do was to disturb the Seleka advance while at the same time the jet was organised to lift Bozize out of the country. Seleka literally had to beg us on their knees with a white flag to give them a way to the palace.

mzilakazi:



It seems as if you have a serious acute brain trauma. Seleka failed to kill Bozize and instead they asked for a way to the palace. Of course we can never stop a coup from happening, it is against the war conventions. Our objective was realised by saving the life of Bozize and his family. All we needed to do was to disturb the Seleka advance while at the same time the jet was organised to lift Bozize out of the country. Seleka literally had to beg us on their knees with a white flag to give them a way to the palace.

He fled, you m0ron! That's an indictment of the capabilities of the SANDF..... or the lack of it, as it were.

Seleka members roundly defeated SA special forces, brushed you guys aside, and you ran begging the French for safe passage. All sources on the ground, including the UN agency confirm this.


Your elite troops were defeated by a band of farmers with no prior training.

mzilakazi:


Hope your new master Mr Barlow has not done his job well to show you that South Africans have what it takes to conquer Africa.

Ask Eben Barlow to help South Africa to conquer Rhino poachers inside your own homeland backyard, before you talk about conquering Africa
.

Henry120:


He fled, you m0ron! That's an indictment of the capabilities of the SANDF..... or the lack of it, as it were.

Seleka members roundly defeated SA special forces, brushed you guys aside, and you ran begging the French for safe passage. All sources on the ground, including the UN agency confirm this.


Your elite troops were defeated by a band of farmers with no prior training.

1. Who said we were there to protect bozize?
2. What objectives did we fail to meet? To be defeated, we must have failed to meet objectives. Which did we fail?
3. Seleka were extensivly trained and armed by Chad.

If find it ironic that you attempt to insult the SANDF for having a small detachment, with no support, 1000's of kilometers from home, get pushed back by over 4000 rebels. When over 20 000 Nigerian soldiers, with artillery, tanks, attack helicopters, fast air and the like were pushed out of over 35 towns and cities by the lightly armed boko haram who number only around 10 000.

agaugust:


Ask Eben Barlow to help South Africa to conquer Rhino poachers inside your own homeland backyard, before you talk about conquering Africa
.

Rhino poaching has never been, nor will it ever be, the primary focus of any SANDF deployment.

SANDF have only performed AP duties when poachers come across the border, and since deployed, the SANDF has enforced a massive drop in cross border poaching.

You are desperately grasping at straws. This is the last time I shall entertain these posts of yours - your argument has been dis-proven over and over and I will not waste anymore time on it.

Henry120:


Exactly........ SELEKA completely whooped you weeping boys, brushed you aside, while the man you were supposed to protect fled the country.


Your incompetence shone through in the CAR.

13 men dead for the SANDF

over 400 dead for Seleka

Yeah, they sure did whoop us.

What of your men, with full support, being cast out of over 35 towns and cities inside of Nigeria? Your own combat troops fled the country into Cameroon!!

Henry120:


The SANDF did not have an objective in the CAR. You stup1d politicians sent SANDF personnel to die for nothing in the CAR.


Bozize fled the country to cameroun, he surely did not get any protection from your incompetent troops.


The Nigerian government did not hire a STTEP. Provide evidence the FGN hired foreign mercenaries from South-Africa?



Your Gripens armed with Air-to-Air missiles over 2000km from where they were needed...... fantastic!!

1. SANDF objective was to train Bozizes' personal protection team and a large protection force was deployed to protect the trainers. Both objectives were met.

2. He fled because we bought him 13 hours to do so.

3. Not what Col. Barlow says

4. Grips flew into the DRC where they were staging. A gripen can be fully armed and re-fueled in under 10 min.

Henry120:


The newspaper reports that field commanders had pleaded for armoured personnel carriers two months before the ambush, that they had asked for sniper rifles, Rooivalk attack helicopters, Oryx transport helicopters and a reconnaissance aircraft - none of which were supplied.


SA Air Force aircraft were also put on standby but due to financial constraints the Gripens were not armed with weapons with an attack capacity.

SANDF soldiers reportedly struggled on the ground due to lack of logistics and air support.

1. Same happened to your men - INSIDE OF NIGERIA DURING A STATE OF WAR.

2. Citation needed

3. And yet a QRF was deployed to CAR (and arrived mid-battle) and yet an entire battalion of men, Rooivalks and Gripen were deployed to staging areas in Uganda and DRC for a counter attack

Henry120:


1. Your Troops had no business been in the CAR in the first place.

2. Zambia is no CAR. SA Air Force aircraft were also put on standby but due to financial constraints the Gripens were not armed with weapons with an attack capacity.

Your Gripens could not carry bombs because the SAAF is broke. It is very clear. A fighter can carry 2-3 additional fuel tanks and still carry bombs on the extra pylons.

3. You deployed no C-130's, as you have only 3 in operational service. Hence your constant use of charter.

4. You don't have an air tanker full stop, no if's.

1. Training agreement with CAR

2. Zambia is a stop over on the way to forward bases in DRC - Grip's need to be refueled.

3. Gripen is flying in ferry configruation. Bombs are transported in the C-130's. SAAF has a large arsenal of PGM's and "dumb bombs"

4. This is a lie - we have provided citations many times. 5 C130's are operational with another 4 at various stages of repair/maintenance/over-haul. The fact that you keep telling this lie shows how little you care about open and honest debate.

mzilakazi:


I have even lost the count of how many weapons BH has forcefully robbed from Nigerian Army bases, not stolen but physically robbed in Nigerian soil from their most trusted soldiers.


Do you mean AU property? SANDF defeated all Burundi rebels and claimed back all which they have stolen. All that were stolen while they were under the protection of Burundian government forces. Get the facts right.


The mighty US army lost over 200000 heavy weapons in Iraq. Theft is theft, it was always there right at the beginning and will always remain forever.


http://rt.com/usa/202707-afghanistan-us-military-equipment/

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/meast/08/06/iraq.weapons/index.html?iref=nextin

We don't care about US army weblinks you are posting.

Post weblinks to prove that SANDF recovered all your heavy weapons looted from your hands by local Burundi rebels, show us proof !

I have proof that Nigerian army recovered or destroyed all our weapons looted by Boko Haram. See photos below.

Now post photos to proof South African army has achieved same thing that Nigerian army has done to Boko Haram, prove it !
.

Henry120:


There is nothing Anti-South African in those comments!

1. Whatever the disputed reason why SANDF troops were on the ground, it is widely believed, SANDF troops in the CAR were there to protect the mining assets of top level members of the ANC.

2. The SANDF sent no protection team for your stranded troops in the CAR. The had to resort to begging french forces for medical supplies as the troops were heavily under-resourced.


3. Your supposed staging area is over 2000km from where they help is actually needed. You have been lied to once again by your government.

The reports are clear, SAAF Gripens over 2000km from there supposed target had no armaments because the SAAF was broke, still is.

4. Provide evidence your Gripens were in the DRC, credible evidence. Not opinion pieces by some SANDF fan boys who wish the old SADF days would come back.

1. Cool opinion. Fact is that they were there to train Bozizes troops.

2. Problem is that we did - right before the battle
http://www.irinnews.org/report/97194/south-africa-bolsters-its-troops-in-the-central-african-republic

As well as during the battle:
http://www.iol.co.za/sundayindependent/how-deadly-car-battle-unfolded-1.1493841#.VVWMl_lVhBe

3. Gripen flew lightly-armed in ferry mode. The were "bombed up" in the DRC.

SAAF has a bigger budget than NAF - so if we are broke then what are you?

4. Citation needed

Henry120:


Mr Barlow is not the SANDF. The SANDF is a broke, ill-trained, ill-equipped force, saddled with an array of mis-matched equipment it's members are either too stup1d to operate or the service is too broke to operate.

Mr Barlow has always been a great friend and a regular contributor on beegeagle's blog. He's comments are clear on the blog for everyone to read.



It isn't hidden, the SAAF cannot afford fuel for it's fleet. This is a proven fact!! Your former chief of Air-staff got hospitalised after severe stress from begging for fuel.

1. SANDF has twice the budget as the Nigerian military
2. The SANDF spends more than 3X the money training each soldier, and each soldier traines twice as long as a Nigerian Military recruit
3. The SANDF is superbly equipped and has capabilities that the Nigerian military has never and will never have
4. The Nigerian military is a collection of ancient and mismatched equipment - over 20 different types of armoured vehical which on average are 30 years old. By comparison the SANDF is fully standardized/
5. SANDF equipment is used as is necessitated by operational requirements

Yeah, some clown pretending to be him.

22 000 hours budgeted for, 18 000 hours flown - this is the proven fact

Again, you keep regurtitating the same lines over and over, despite the fact that they have all been disproved. Its pathetic.

Henry120:


Fool, the reports are clear!!

You were beaten like toddlers, fled the battleground and begged the french.

The number of Nigerian casualties against boko-haram is very clear, nothing to hide. The SANDF are a cowardly force, who lack the proper training or support to prosecute any mission.


"A source with the United Nations in Bangui said the South Africans had asked for assistance from French forces to help them leave the country."

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE92M0AU20130324?irpc=932

"Bangui - South African soldiers in the Central African Republic are seeking safe passage to the airport after taking heavy losses during fighting with Seleka rebels, Reuters reports."



"Amy Martin of the UN's humanitarian agency, OCHA, told the BBC World Service that the SA troops had retreated to their barracks and were seeking safe passage to the airport."


"Seleka spokesperson Eric Massi said the rebels had broken through a line of South African soldiers during their push into the city."

http://m.news24.com/news24/SouthAfrica/News/SA-soldiers-in-CAR-retreat-to-barracks-want-out-20130324


You got beaten and you ran away.



Fool, your Gripens armed with Air-Air missilles in Zambia, over 2000 KM from the Area your troops fled from...... LOL!!!!!

Regurgitating the same nonsense over and over

He has no argument

Waste of time and space

Henry120:


1. Are you blind, those are wing tip AIR-Air missiles.

2. There is no evidence your Fighter jets were in the DRC. A fan boys page isn't evidence.

Provide evidence from the DRC.

3. You achieved no objective in the CAR. Your troops asking for Half-French's, Transport Helicopters and APC's had no idea what they were supposed to do in the CAR either.

4. All evidence on the ground stated clearly your troops were roundly defeated. Reuters, BBC , the UN agency, etc etc all same the same thing.

5. Your troops and their political class are a bunch of cowards.

1. Newspaper report proves otherwise

2. Ridiculous demand. Dont waste our time.

3. The objectives were:
a. Train Bozize's troops
b. Protect the men training bozizes troops

Both were met

4. To be defeated means to fail an objective - state the objective we failed.

5. How are we cowards? State your logic and argument.

mzilakazi:


The gripens were heavily armed with air-to-ground missiles as shown in that picture. They were there to stand guard for our safe exit in CAR, after the parliament decided to withdraw. They remained on stand-by to counter any action that the rebel would contemplate to take against us.

jln115:

So im guessing these were imaginary missiles? And they were in the DRC, they stopped in Zambia on their way back to South Africa!

This your photo is another South Africa lies and propaganda.

1. SAAF has NO SINGLE air to ground missile. There is none in that photo.
2. All we see clearly is extra fuel drop tank, not even a bomb. LOL.

419 photo from SANDF as usual....just another Mokopa dud....from the land of fakes....South Africa
.

agaugust:


This your photo is another South Africa lies and propaganda.

1. SAAF has NO SINGLE air to ground missile. There is none in that photo.
2. All we see clearly is extra fuel drop tank, not even a bomb. LOL.

419 photo from SANDF as usual....just another Mokopa dud....from the land of fakes....South Africa
.

And so?

Is it impossible to arm fighter jets at forward bases?

Is it impossible to send said arms in a transport that was seen flying with them?

Does SAAF have PGM's and glide bombs?

Dont waste our time.

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Henry120:


Mr Barlow is not the SANDF. The SANDF is a broke, ill-trained, ill-equipped force, saddled with an array of mis-matched equipment it's members are either too stup1d to operate or the service is too broke to operate.

Mr Barlow has always been a great friend and a regular contributor on beegeagle's blog. He's comments are clear on the blog for everyone to read.

Bull's eye, shot on target !

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agaugust:


We don't care about US army weblinks you are posting.

Post weblinks to prove that SANDF recovered all your heavy weapons looted from your hands by local Burundi rebels, show us proof !

I have proof that Nigerian army recovered or destroyed all our weapons looted by Boko Haram. See photos below.

Now post photos to proof South African army has achieved same thing that Nigerian army has done to Boko Haram, prove it !
.

I quoted the US army because is your demi-god. I wanted to show you that weapons are stolen everywhere in the world in each and every country. BH before they started with their insurgency campaign they started by first stealing your weaponry right inside Nigeria.

Your source says the weapons were later found to have been in possession of rebels. Majority of those weapons were stolen in care of Burundian government troops. We trained them and let them to use some of our vehicles and weapons. I deployed to Bujumbura twice in my military career and I know what is like there. SANDF defeated all the rebels in Burundi and many of them handed in their weapons.

Nigerian military can do whatever they like but will not recover all the weapons they lost to BH. They just can't never.

agaugust:
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Bull's eye, shot on target !

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Made up pretend posters

agaugust:
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Bull's eye, shot on target !

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Obviously, the man is just only bringing some sigh of relieve on you. The truth is all known as confessed by his mouth on many international news platforms.


http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/white-mercenaries-have-boko-haram-on-run/

agaugust:
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Bull's eye, shot on target !

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Shall we start posting what you have said on that blog?

patches689:


Shall we start posting what you have said on that blog?

You already posted what you say was from me, but you cannot prove. I already demolished everything you brought from there with Roland, Lynx, what else do you wanna copy from there ?