stillchris:


well... looking at the current state of SANDF, they wanted to bomb ground targets with air-air missiles because of lack of funds to properly arm the jets.

i suspect zambia gave them fuel on credit to fly for cameras to decieve you fools they were going to do anything.

and nice excuse by the way.

you could fly bombs on c-130 to CAR, but waited for days to charter a plane to fly your wounded and defeated troops out.

nice move

Centrifude:


Who said they wanted to Bomb targets with Air to Air missiles don't you dunderheads get that jets need to be able to protect themselves just incase they run into threats.

Which stupid Country would send their jets on a protection mission to a foreign country without giving them the simplest capabilities of protecting themselves first.

stillchris:


hahahahahahaha... Nigeria flew alpha jets to liberia and sl without air-air missiles during the civil wars there. did same to mali past Niger. that is the experience we are talking about brah.

fools. your military and government are so inexperienced in such missions that they forget they have to ask for permission to fly past the countries' airspace by which hostile attack on your jets by the host countries is less likely.
seeing as serious as the crisis was then, those countries would have obliged without much delay. That's if you are truly respected over there.

it's common sense bro.

so by your explanation, SA lacks the diplimatic power to make such happen.

#NewRevelation.

stillchris:


hahahahahahaha... Nigeria flew alpha jets to liberia and sl without air-air missiles during the civil wars there. did same to mali past Niger. that is the experience we are talking about brah.

fools. your military and government are so inexperienced in such missions that they forget they have to ask for permission to fly past the countries' airspace by which hostile attack on your jets by the host countries is less likely.
seeing as serious as the crisis was then, those countries would have obliged without much delay. That's if you are truly respected over there.

it's common sense bro.

so by your explanation, SA lacks the diplimatic power to make such happen.

#NewRevelation.

saengine:


http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/1196/sa-was-ready-for-more

"John Morgan, a South African working in Zambia, was amazed while at Ndola airport on Saturday waiting for his flight and four Gripen fighter aircraft landed.

Shortly thereafter, a South African C-130 Hercules cargo plane with the Gripens ground crew also landed there. Morgan's photos show the Gripens IRIS air-to-air missiles and equipped with long-range tanks.

According to Beeld's information a stock of bombs was sent in a C-130."



Stock of bombs sent in a C-130. End of discussion.

Centrifude:


Do you have Air to Air Capabilities yes or no??

You cannot use something you don't have, its as simple as that.

Centrifude:


This is st*pid its like asking why would GEJ need Body Guards for when he visits any of those countries, since they love respect and fear Nigeria why would you president need guards to protect him.

You have to take precautions regardless of who you are, please stop being Naïve.

stillchris:


lies lies lies!!! south africans and lies are synonymous.

give us independent sources... like zambians on ground. not some hogwash by lying south africans.

stillchris:


are you drunk? we escorted c-130s with same alpha jets over ivory coast air space with air to air missiles after gbagbo threatened to shoot down our plane during sl civil war you dummy.

who buys fighters without Ait to Air missiles

Centrifude:


Nigeria buys jets without Air to Air missiles where are your F-7s AAMs

stillchris:


dude, your question is really dumb as fvck.

like why would the US president need special forces, seals, bulletproof cars and bodyguards on standby when visiting other countries sinve they respect and fear the US.

silly question.

SA lacks the diplimatic clout to pull it off. simple

saengine:


Oh okay. Then its lies. Guess the Beeld newspaper was lying about Gripens being in Zambia and C-130's landing. No problem :-)

Centrifude:


LMFAO hahahahahahahaha!!!
You are killing your own argument you dumb TW@T

Its the same reason S.A gripen Needed AAM they hard to be able to protect themselves if anything bad were to happen.

You claimed that all you need is diplomatic power to protect yourself from potential threats.

That's why I said you need to take precautions regardless of who you are.

saengine:
Gripen lands in Zambia - perfectly possible

C-130 lands in Zambia with ground crew and weapons - lies lies lies!! Impossible

Nigerian logic

stillchris:


yes. we saw your jets in zambia alright.

we also saw them armed with AAM to attack ground targets in CAR.

erm... did't you donkeys initailly claim those were not AAM?

funny clowns.

saengine:


Yep you are correct. NO C-130's with ground crew and weapons landed at that same Zambian airport.

stillchris:


No. i killed your logic and failed attempt to cover up your dull reasoning.

yes you nees diplomatic muscle to make your host countries allow you to use their airspace to fly combat missions.

why would they attack you if the government gives you permission? please give reason.

SA lacks such diplimatic clout.

we did same over Niger, chad, ivory coast etc..

experience boy. something your military desperately needs.

you lack such powers. simple

stillchris:


lies lies lies!!! south africans and lies are synonymous.

give us independent sources... like zambians on ground. not some hogwash by lying south africans.

stillchris:


well... looking at the current state of SANDF, they wanted to bomb ground targets with air-air missiles because of lack of funds to properly arm the jets.

mzilakazi:




1. Those[b] are clearly air-to-ground rockets and we don't entertain it at all. Paveway rockets, thats what they called.

2. They were not in Zambia to stay rather DRC. However, gripens can do 2000 KM[/b]



3. What did you expect? Did you expect us to fight Seleka like fools and tomorrow suffer criticism from the world which will satisfy media frenzy that we projected our colonial selfish power on other poor sovereign state. SA weren't party to the coup and we cannot stop coup from happening since is against conventions. All that we could do as assigned to was to protect Bozize as the head of state and fight for our lives. Seleka had to literally beg us to let them have access to the palace.

4. Evidence on the ground my foot, yet you don't want to take our evidence on the ground that we post. You are so selective when it comes to evaluating information just like your fellow demented @agaugust.

5. Citizens and even Colonel Agu confessed with his mouth that he had to wear a woman's dress in order to mislead insurgents in believing that he was a woman, so that he could easily escape. It was even broadcast on international news. Perhaps you don't have DSTV at home or either you subscribed for this cheap banquet.

Henry120:


South-Efricans!!!!

stillchris:


bwahahahahaha... typical south afrucans. trying to shift the goal post once defeated.

Are PL 9 missiles meant for air to suface attacks?

SA lacks diplomatic clout to pull it off. simple

saengine:


You've found the balls to talk after my warm slap from last night? Think i forgot? You ran away like a lil b*tch.

If you dont understand sarcasm then thats not my problem. 28 Squadron C-130's were used to provide ground crew for Gripen jets as well as ammunition. Deal with it.

saengine:
http://www.af.mil.za/publications/2014/AD%20ASTRA%20JUNE%202013.pdf

More lies lies lies!!

On Saturday 23 March 2013 28 Squadron began with a series of missions to assist the SANDF in Ops Vimbezela. The two crews who were put on standby early that morning were later tasked to Langebaan and De Aar Military Airfield where they brought back over 63 000lbs of ammunition and 39 Special Force members. Fighting had already broken out in Bangui, Central Africa Republic the previous evening and another aircraft left Saturday afternoon for Entebbe,Uganda.

The fighting in Bangui eventually led to 13 South African soldiers being killedand 27 injured. Two C130’s were then tasked as part of the rescue mission in order to bring them home. Lt Col C. Hawtrey was the commander of the aircraft in Entebbe. His crew transported 23 medical staff and returned with the 27 wounded soldiers who needed to be Casevac’ed out of Bangui late Sunday evening. Officer Commanding of 28 Squadron, Col H.J. Prinsloo, was the commander who flew on call sign Rescue 911. His crew transported the mortuary up to Bangui via Entebbe and returned with the 13 bodies the following day. “It was a sombre setting in Bangui the day the bodies were brought home”, said
the crew as they described the rainy weather and the bagpipes which played Amazing Grace in the background.

[b]A third aircraft then departed for Entebbe and remained for 8 days flying between Entebbe and Gemena. This aircraft was flown by 28 Squadron’s only female commander, Maj C. Duven and they remained in the Democratic Republic of Congo until 31 March flying 11 missions and a total of 29.7 hours between Entebbe and Gemena. They transported over 80 000lbs of cargo and 41 personnel in the duration of their mission. In the following ten days another five missions were tasked for 28 Squadron and they assisted in flying to Bloemfontein and Hoedspruit to fetch more ammunition and personnel, a total of 6 500lbs and 114 personnel. Over this period 28 Squadron flew to Makhado, Ndola, Kinshasa, Gemena,Bangui, Mbandaka andEntebbe.

Lt Col F. Smith’s crew transported the Air Force Task Force who were tasked as Grippen Protection. The aircraft was ready to participate in visual reconnaissance and support for Combat Search and Rescue at both Mbandaka in DRC and Bangui in preparation of the arrival of the Grippen. The crew stayed in Gemena along with the 2 Rooivalks and 2 Oryx’s flying between Bangui and Gemena to retrieve the last of the Special Force members from Bangui. On one of their last missions while flying tactical low level they experienced a Missile Warning upon final approach and heard shots fired around the base after they had landed.
They returned safely on 3 April.[/b]

On 2 April Lt C. Hawtrey and his crew flew to Makhado where they assisted in deploying the Grippen Groundcrew. They flew
to Ndola and then to Kinshasa ahead of the four Grippen. From 23 March until the 6 April, 28 Squadron transported over 356 200lbs of
cargo and 462 personnel. Over 60 flights were flown in the approximately 10 taskings 28 Squadron received as part of Ops Vimzela.

agaugust:


Last year 2014.

You didn't know Nigerian navy Lynx ASW helicopter has radar hidden in the nose cone and sonar hidden in the cabin

patches689:


Case closed

Yet againnthe SANDF demonstrates capabilities that the Nigerians could only dream of

saengine:


Again. You dont even understand your own link. They are very very correct. "Cold air contracts, becomes more dense, and thus heavier than warm air." Very correct.

The part that you will never ever understand is that fact applies to air at the same pressure. When you open your fridge, the cold air sinks to your feet because because it is denser/heavier than the warm air around it. But...the air pressure in your fridge and surroundings are the same, thats why that happens.


Air at very high altitude on the other hand is at a much lower pressure than at sea level. Hence it will not be denser than air at sea level, even though it is colder. I asked...why do jet liners need to be pressurized when flying at high altitude? The air there is much colder than air at sea level. So according to you, it must be denser than air at sea level. So why do they pressurized commercial jets? Can your mind even grasp that question?

I told you, you are out of your intellectual depth. This argument is not for you. You have no clue what you are talking about.

Henry120:


The mediocrity you South-Africans celebrate is astonishing.

jpphilips:



During weather forecast, air at high altitude is considered, yes or NO?