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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 1:06pm On May 15, 2015 |
Henry120: It's not a celebration. It's shoving facts down your throats. You people claimed that no C-130's went to Zambia-DRC in support of Gripen, not us. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:10pm On May 15, 2015 |
jln115: IRS-T missiles are now Air-to-ground missiles. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:30pm On May 15, 2015 |
Henry120: Argument is irrelevant Conclusive evdence has been shown that munitions were flown up in c130s |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:33pm On May 15, 2015 |
saengine: South-African journos trying to relive the old days of the Apartheid SADF cannot be considered as credible. The Sources I posted who detailed the embarrassing defeat SANDF Elite troops suffered at the hands of Seleka rebels come from the BBC, Reuters and the UN agency on the ground. All internationally recognised and credible sources, and all of them on the ground. Until, there is an actual refute of the reports they made, there is no reason to doubt their reports. The bolded has always been the most laughable part of the sensationalist tales South-African news sources have carried. You South-Africans and your glory hunting media have carried multiple fraudulent claims of between 800 - 1500 dead Seleka, of an advancing force of 3000. Oga, these claims are nothing but lies, and more lies. SANDF killed between 800-1500 of 3000, yet Seleka still had enough men and resources to brush your Elite troops aside and take over the capital...... I mean come on!! 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 1:38pm On May 15, 2015 |
Henry120: Seleka officer spoke with his very own mouth that more than half of his unit of 500 men were lost. Deal with it. Swallow it. Digest it. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:42pm On May 15, 2015 |
saengine: First things first, the report I culled this excerpt you quoted is a December 2014 report written by Guy martin. Now, you having a pilot shortage for your 26 Gripen jets is entirely based on your Airforce incompetence and ineptitude. It has no bearing on the number of Gripen jets ordered. The report is based on the fact SAAF has 26 Gripens in service, and of those 26 Gripens, an Airframe logs only 2 hours of flight time a month every 12 months. 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:43pm On May 15, 2015 |
saengine: Seleka spokesman cannot confirm this. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:48pm On May 15, 2015 |
Henry120:Yes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:52pm On May 15, 2015 |
saengine: Where your dead and wounded supposed to walk down home from bangui? The irrefutable facts are your cowards on the ground practically begged for APC's, Rooivalk Helicopters and Oryx Transport Helicopters 2 months before their abysmal defeat in the CAR. None of their calls were acted upon. Grandstanding and showing off with IRS-T's after your troops had suffered a resounding defeat, doesn't take away anything from the incompetence your top brass in Pretoria displayed. My argument has been, SAAF Gripens were stationed in Zambia. Zambia is over 2000km from bangui. -SANDF troops needed CAS and weren't provided any. - SAAF Gripens were armed with Air-to-Air missiles in Zambia, when troops actually needed CAS. Of what use are IRS-T's in evacuation missions? So, which of these facts did you respond to? 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:53pm On May 15, 2015 |
jln115: You are beyond pathetic. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:58pm On May 15, 2015 |
patches689: Last I check Nigeria carried out over 1350 airlift missions in under an 8 month period. You should stop celebrating mediocrity as Saengine's post did nothing to respond to the fundamental failings of SANDF brasshats. 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:59pm On May 15, 2015 |
Henry120:Jap so are you! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:06pm On May 15, 2015 |
Henry120: Reports from reporters on the ground back up our claims this argument is over |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:08pm On May 15, 2015 |
Henry120: LOL - you have trapped yourself Also citations have been posted that the Gripen flew upwarDs of 800 hours in 2012\13 You argument has been dealt with allready - stop wasting our time |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:10pm On May 15, 2015 |
Henry120: Reports in bangui interveiwed him We have his name and rank As well as testimony on the causalties his unit suffered This has beeen posted over and over |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:12pm On May 15, 2015 |
Henry120: you keep saying it was a defeat What objectives did we fail? Citations have been posted of gripen being forward deployed - there is no longer an argument Yet again, we post citations and you ignore them |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:15pm On May 15, 2015 |
Henry120: 1. Citation needed for Nigerian airlift 2. Read the post - Gripen, rooivalk, oryx and soldeirs were deployed thousands of KMS from home in under a week Nigeria does not have these capabilities and never will Your entirr argument has been completely detroyed |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 2:16pm On May 15, 2015 |
Henry120: No. Those figures are from Brigader-General John Bayne during an arms deal enquiry report in September 2013. If Guy Martin decided to write an article a year later thats his fault. And your stu.pidity for not checking up on the original source. Secondly.....why are you running away like a scared little b*tch from my original question? Which one of your "facts" are "facts"? YOU said Gripen PILOTS fly 2 hours a month...fact! You said it, not me. 2 hours a month is 26 pilots flying 3500 hours over 5 years (2008-2013). Do the maths. Your other "fact" was that we had 6 Gripen pilots in 2013. Again, which one of your facts are facts? 26 pilots in 2013 or 6 pilots in 2013? Be a man. Answer. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:18pm On May 15, 2015 |
patches689: The mediocrity of South-Africans. SAAF deployed -3 Transport Planes ( 2 C-130's and a 3rd unknown type)- C.A.R - 4 Gripens (Zambia) - 2 Half-French Helicopters (Zambia) - 2 Super-Puma Helicopters (Zambia) *only the Transport Planes actually flew to bangui. Nigerian Deployment to mali - 2 C-130-H Transport Planes - 2 G-222 medium Transport - 1 ATR-42 ELINT compliant surveillance plane - 4 Alpha jets - 3 MI-35/24 attack Helicopters Transporting a contingent of 1200 men and their equipment. 4 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:21pm On May 15, 2015 |
saengine: As more info comes, we adjust figures. As at today, SAAF has only 9 Gripen pilots and 9 navigators. What if I said 6 pilots before I got info source on 9 pilots, what is wrong with that? Your South Africans here said in early 2015 that Nigeria has 0 T-72 tanks, later they said we had 4 T-72, later they said 12 T-12, next they changed to 14 T-72, later they agreed we had 56 T-72 tanks, next they say okay T-72 M1 + T-72 AV you have maybe about 100 T-72 tanks..... Did you ask your Southie guys to explain why they change numbers? Keep scratching your coconut head for an answer to give me . 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:22pm On May 15, 2015 |
patches689: Reports from reputable Agencies on the ground during the a$s whooping of SANDF forces is the only acceptable report. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:25pm On May 15, 2015 |
Henry120: Yes it took you 8 months to do that We did it in under a week So - it takes you 32 weeks to do what we do in 1 How were rooivalk and oryx flying into the car fROM Zambia? also citations needed for Nigerian deployment |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 2:27pm On May 15, 2015 |
agaugust: Refer to archives before you pretend to know what we are talking about. You just came to a formal dinner wearing shorts and slippers. Leave the room, go see what the topic is about, then come back. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:28pm On May 15, 2015 |
Henry120: Hahahahahah Pathetic response Reporters in bangui interveiwed a man who provided his name and rank and informed them of seleka casualties Deal with it |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:33pm On May 15, 2015 |
agaugust: Ehen did ee ever agree that you have about 100? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 2:33pm On May 15, 2015 |
patches689: Cry me a river. Your Elite troops did not kill more than 15 Seleka rebels. This is a fact. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:36pm On May 15, 2015 |
Henry120: That is not what seleka said Seleka lost over 400 men - that is a fact If you have a problem with that - argue with Sekeka |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:46pm On May 15, 2015 |
saengine: Who told you the photo of Seleka boy mocking SANDF on your army's Gecko vehicle was taken by the same South African journalists who were sitting inside their Johannesburg office writing fake stories that 400 Seleka died in a battlefield they could not visit 1,000 km away? Why those same South African journalists show us one photo of one single dead Seleka rebel if they were able to take photo of Seleka on Gecko without the Seleka daggers cutting off their Southie necks Dude, that photo is more likely taken by the PR unit of Seleka to make Mandela army's history the worst in Africa Many SANDF Elite troops Geckos were captured, not just one, it's many vehicles, the rat race running South African army left ALL their vehicles behind, see photo gallery of the century below .... EPIC Embarrassment, hilarious and world class humiliation of South Africa's military and national pride, this is what happens when South African military has to fight alone without United Nations leadership or the help of thousands of foreign mercenaries like UNITA . 1 Like
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:51pm On May 15, 2015 |
patches689: Show us photo of one single dead body of Seleka or coffin, I have 15 photos of 15 dead SANDF troops. Until proved with photo evidence, NO SELEKA REBEL DIED IN BANGUI ! . 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:59pm On May 15, 2015 |
saengine: Nope, ask your friends to tell us the name of SAAF Gripens air to ground missiles, not bombs, missiles deployed in Zambia. mzilakazi: jln115: jln115:. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 3:00pm On May 15, 2015 |
patches689: There is no evidence SANDF killed more than 15 Seleka rebels, there isn't even a single photo of a dead seleka rebel available. 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:01pm On May 15, 2015 |
stillchris: The SAAF was afraid of Zimbabwean F-7 jets . 1 Like |
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