Henry120:


The mediocrity you South-Africans celebrate is astonishing.

jln115:

Air-to-Ground, and in the DRC!

Henry120:


IRS-T missiles are now Air-to-ground missiles.

saengine:


Aha. As i thought. Reporters go to Bangui, get specific quotes from officers specifically stating they took heavy casualties. But the truth has you desperately coming up with an excuse not to believe it....pathetic. That photo of a Seleka rebel sitting on a SA Army gecko vehicle was taken by the same journalists. So you also refuse to believe the pic? That gecko wasnt really captured? Okay then.

And finally. What disfunction in your poorly developed brain makes you believe that Force A cannot take heavy casualties from Force B, even though it eventually breaks through Force B's lines? Again...pathetic.

Henry120:


[s]South-African journos trying to relieve the old days of the Apartheid SADF cannot be considered as credible.

The Sources I posted who detailed the embarrassing defeat SANDF Elite troops suffered at the hands of Seleka rebels come from the BBC, Reuters and the UN agency on the ground.

All internationally recognised and credible sources, and all of them on the ground. Until, there is an actual refute of the reports they made, there is no reason to doubt their reports.


The bolded has always been the most laughable part of the sensationalist tales South-African news sources have carried.

You South-Africans and your glory hunting media have carried multiple fraudulent claims of between 800 - 1500 dead Seleka, of an advancing force of 3000.

Oga, these claims are nothing but lies, and more lies.

SANDF killed between 800-1500 of 3000, yet Seleka still had enough men and resources to brush your Elite troops aside and take over the capital...... I mean come on!![/s]

saengine:


Fact? Okay....you typed that message and pressed submit. No one forced you. You have stated it as fact. Hmmm.

Let me turn you into an Augustine before i sleep. That calculation is based on 26 AIRFRAMES. Meaning that calculation only holds true if there were 26 Gripen pilots in 2013 when those figures were released. I'm pretty sure you are the same person who said we had 6 Gripen pilots in 2013....fact! You have recently upped that number to 9.

So which one of your "facts" are "facts"? 26 Gripen pilots in 2013 or 6 Gripen pilots in 2013? Will be intetesting to see how you scramble to edit your "fact".

Just a nice warm slap to bring you back to your senses while you busy think you're on a roll. Bite all ten finger nails off your fingers thinking of a response to this. We wont hold our breath though.

saengine:


Seleka officer spoke with his very own mouth that more than half of his unit of 500 men were lost. Deal with it. Swallow it. Digest it.

Henry120:


IRS-T missiles are now Air-to-ground missiles.

saengine:


It's not a celebration. It's shoving facts down your throats. You people claimed that no C-130's went to Zambia-DRC in support of Gripen, not us.

jln115:

Yes

patches689:



Last checked your airlift ability ammounted to abandoning men in the Sudan for so long that they werebforced to munitny to get a lift home

Also, the utter destruction of your argument is hardly mediocre

Henry120:


You are beyond pathetic.

Henry120:


South-African journos trying to relieve the old days of the Apartheid SADF cannot be considered as credible.

The Sources I posted who detailed the embarrassing defeat SANDF Elite troops suffered at the hands of Seleka rebels come from the BBC, Reuters and the UN agency on the ground.

All internationally recognised and credible sources, and all of them on the ground. Until, there is an actual refute of the reports they made, there is no reason to doubt their reports.


The bolded has always been the most laughable part of the sensationalist tales South-African news sources have carried.

You South-Africans and your glory hunting media have carried multiple fraudulent claims of between 800 - 1500 dead Seleka, of an advancing force of 3000.

Oga, these claims are nothing but lies, and more lies.

SANDF killed between 800-1500 of 3000, yet Seleka still had enough men and resources to brush your Elite troops aside and take over the capital...... I mean come on!!

Henry120:


First things first, the report I culled this excerpt you quoted is a December 2014 report written by Guy martin.


Now, you having a pilot shortage for your 26 Gripen jets is entirely based on your Airforce incompetence and ineptitude. It has no bearing on the number of Gripen jets ordered. The report is based on the fact SAAF has 26 Gripens in service, and of those 26 Gripens, an Airframe logs only 2 hours of flight time a month every 12 months.

Henry120:


Seleka spokesman cannot confirm this.

Henry120:


Where you dead and wounded supposed to walk down home from bangui?


The irrefutable facts are your cowards on the ground practically begged for APC's, Rooivalk Helicopters and Oryx Transport Helicopters 2 months before their abysmal defeat in the CAR. None of their calls were acted upon.

Grandstanding and showing off with IRS-T's after your troops had suffered a resounding defeat, doesn't take away anything from the incompetence your top brass in Pretoria displayed.


My argument has been, SAAF Gripens were stationed in Zambia. Zambia is over 2000km from bangui.

-SANDF troops needed CAS and weren't provided any.

- SAAF Gripens were armed with Air-to-Air missiles in Zambia, when troops actually needed CAS. Of what use are IRS-T's in evacuation missions?

So, which of these facts did you respond to?

Henry120:


Last I check Nigeria carried out over 1350 airlift missions in under an 8 month period.

You should stop celebrating mediocrity as Saengine's post did nothing to respond to the fundamental failings of SANDF brasshats.

Henry120:


First things first, the report I culled this excerpt you quoted is a December 2014 report written by Guy martin.


Now, you having a pilot shortage for your 26 Gripen jets is entirely based on your Airforce incompetence and ineptitude. It has no bearing on the number of Gripen jets ordered. The report is based on the fact SAAF has 26 Gripens in service, and of those 26 Gripens, an Airframe logs only 2 hours of flight time a month every 12 months.

patches689:


Case closed

Yet againnthe SANDF demonstrates capabilities that the Nigerians could only dream of

saengine:


Fact? Okay....you typed that message and pressed submit. No one forced you. You have stated it as fact. Hmmm.

Let me turn you into an Augustine before i sleep. That calculation is based on 26 AIRFRAMES. Meaning that calculation only holds true if there were 26 Gripen pilots in 2013 when those figures were released. I'm pretty sure you are the same person who said we had 6 Gripen pilots in 2013....fact! You have recently upped that number to 9.

So which one of your "facts" are "facts"? 26 Gripen pilots in 2013 or 6 Gripen pilots in 2013? Will be intetesting to see how you scramble to edit your "fact".

patches689:


Reports from reporters on the ground back up our claims

this argument is over

Henry120:


The mediocrity of South-Africans.

SAAF deployed

-3 Transport Planes ( 2 C-130's and a 3rd unknown type)- C.A.R

- 4 Gripens (Zambia)
- 2 Half-French Helicopters (Zambia)
- 2 Super-Puma Helicopters (Zambia)

*only the Transport Planes actually flew to bangui.

Nigerian Deployment to mali

- 2 C-130-H Transport Planes
- 2 G-222 medium Transport
- 1 ATR-42 ELINT compliant surveillance plane

- 4 Alpha jets
- 3 MI-35/24 attack Helicopters

Transporting a contingent of 1200 men and their equipment.

agaugust:


As more info comes, we adjust figures. As at today, SAAF has only 9 Gripen pilots and 9 navigators.

What if I said 6 pilots before I got info source on 9 pilots, what is wrong with that?

Your South Africans here said in early 2015 that Nigeria has 0 T-72 tanks, later they said we had 4 T-72, later they said 12 T-12, next they changed to 14 T-72, later they agreed we had 56 T-72 tanks, next they say okay T-72 M1 + T-72 AV you have maybe about 100 T-72 tanks.....

Did you ask your Southie guys to explain why they change numbers?

Keep scratching your coconut head for an answer to give me
.

Henry120:


Reports from reputable Agencies on the ground during the a$s whooping of SANDF forces is the only acceptable report.

agaugust:


As more info comes, we adjust figures. As at today, SAAF has only 9 Gripen pilots and 9 navigators.

What if I said 6 pilots before I got info source on 9 pilots, what is wrong with that?

Your South Africans here said in early 2015 that Nigeria has 0 T-72 tanks, later they said we had 4 T-72, later they said 12 T-12, next they changed to 14 T-72, later they agreed we had 56 T-72 tanks, next they say okay T-72 M1 + T-72 AV you have maybe about 100 T-72 tanks.....

Did you ask your Southie guys to explain why they change numbers?

Keep scratching your coconut head for an answer to give me
.

patches689:


Hahahahahah

Pathetic response

Reporters in bangui interveiwed a man who provided his name and rank and informed them of seleka casualties

Deal with it

Henry120:


Cry me a river.

Your Elite troops did not kill more than 15 Seleka rebels. This is a fact.

saengine:


Aha. As i thought. Reporters go to Bangui, get specific quotes from officers specifically stating they took heavy casualties. But the truth has you desperately coming up with an excuse not to believe it....pathetic. That photo of a Seleka rebel sitting on a SA Army gecko vehicle was taken by the same journalists. So you also refuse to believe the pic? That gecko wasnt really captured? Okay then.

patches689:


Seleka lost over 400 men - that is a fact

saengine:


http://www.saairforce.co.za/news-and-events/1196/sa-was-ready-for-more

"John Morgan, a South African working in Zambia, was amazed while at Ndola airport on Saturday waiting for his flight and four Gripen fighter aircraft landed.

Shortly thereafter, a South African C-130 Hercules cargo plane with the Gripens ground crew also landed there. Morgan's photos show the Gripens IRIS air-to-air missiles and equipped with long-range tanks.

According to Beeld's information a stock of bombs was sent in a C-130."

Stock of bombs sent in a C-130. End of discussion.

mzilakazi:

I say again that is LUG-tot-GROND missile meaning AIR-to-GROUND missile.

jln115:

It clearly says in Afrikaans that out Gripens were carrying Air-to-Ground missiles why the fvck would we have Air-to-Air missiles in CAR.

jln115:


Source clearly says Air-to-Ground missiles

patches689:


That is not what seleka said

Seleka lost over 400 men - that is a fact

If you have a problem with that - argue with Sekeka

stillchris:


hahahahahahaha... Nigeria flew alpha jets to liberia and sl without air-air missiles during the civil wars there. did same to mali past Niger. that is the experience we are talking about brah.

fools. your military and government are so inexperienced in such missions that they forget they have to ask for permission to fly past the countries' airspace by which hostile attack on your jets by the host countries is less likely.
seeing as serious as the crisis was then, those countries would have obliged without much delay. That's if you are truly respected over there.

it's common sense bro.

so by your explanation, SA lacks the diplimatic power to make such happen.

#NewRevelation.