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Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by PhysicsQED(m): 6:25pm On May 18, 2015 |
[img]http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=488144&t=w[/img] "Chief in ceremonial dress, Gold Coast." COLLECTION The Dark Continent: Africa, The Landscape and the People DATES / ORIGIN Date Issued: 1931 TOPICS Africa -- Manners & customs -- Africa |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by PhysicsQED(m): 6:39pm On May 18, 2015 |
[img]http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=488165&t=w[/img] "Banjom chief, N. W. Cameroons." COLLECTION The Dark Continent: Africa, The Landscape and the People DATES / ORIGIN Date Issued: 1931 TOPICS Africa -- Ethnology -- Africa Daggers & swords Clothing & dress ['Banjom' = Bandjoun, a subgroup of the Bamileke of Cameroon.] |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by PhysicsQED(m): 6:45pm On May 18, 2015 |
[img]http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1235185&t=w[/img] "Un roi de Nouveau-Calabar." AUTHOR Compiègne, Louis-Alphonse-Henri-Victor du Pont, marquis de (1846-1876) COLLECTION Afrique equatoriale. Gabonais, Pahouins, Gallois, par le marquis de Compiegne. Ouvrage enrichi d'une carte speciale et de gravures sur bois dessinees par L. Breton d'apres des photographies et des croquis de l'auteur. DATES / ORIGIN Date Issued: 1875 TOPICS Clothing & dress -- Africa Kings -- Africa Children -- Africa [Nouveau Calabar = New Calabar, the term European writers used to refer to Elem Kalabari, in modern day Rivers state, Nigeria.] |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by PhysicsQED(m): 6:50pm On May 18, 2015 |
[img]http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1107145&t=w[/img] "1. Surgical knives ; 2. A brass anklet ; 3. A copper bracelet ; 4. Cast - brass tobacco pipes." AUTHOR Basden, George Thomas (1873-1944) COLLECTION Among the Ibos of Nigeria, an account of the curious & interesting habits, customs, & beliefs of a little known African people by one who has for many years lived amongst them on close & intimate terms, by G. T. Basden. DATES / ORIGIN Date Issued: 1921 TOPICS Africa Igbo (African people) Knives Tobacco pipes Jewelry Copperwork Brasswork 1 Like |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by PhysicsQED(m): 6:53pm On May 18, 2015 |
[img]http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1107149&t=w[/img] "Town dieties, Adonta, near Awgwash; A medicine man, with stock-in-trade." AUTHOR Basden, George Thomas (1873-1944) COLLECTION Among the Ibos of Nigeria, an account of the curious & interesting habits, customs, & beliefs of a little known African people by one who has for many years lived amongst them on close & intimate terms, by G. T. Basden. DATES / ORIGIN Date Issued: 1921 TOPICS Africa Igbo (African people) Ceremonial objects Healers Shamans |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by PhysicsQED(m): 6:58pm On May 18, 2015 |
[img]http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1107143&t=w[/img] "Hair - dressing as a work of art." AUTHOR Basden, George Thomas (1873-1944) COLLECTION Among the Ibos of Nigeria, an account of the curious & interesting habits, customs, & beliefs of a little known African people by one who has for many years lived amongst them on close & intimate terms, by G. T. Basden. DATES / ORIGIN Date Issued: 1921 TOPICS Africa Igbo (African people) Women Hairstyles 2 Likes |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by PhysicsQED(m): 7:08pm On May 18, 2015 |
[img]http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1248537&t=w[/img] "Peuples de la Senegambie 1. Mandingue du Wolli, 2. Bambara, 3. Yoloff du pays de Wallo" AUTHOR Tardieu, Amédée (1822-1893) COLLECTION Sénégambie et Guinée, par m. Amédée Tardieu ... Nubie, par m. S. Chérubini ... Abyssinie, par m. Noël Desvergers ... DATES / ORIGIN Date Issued: 1847 TOPICS Africa -- Mandingo (African people) Bambara (African people) Wolof (African people) 1 Like |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by PhysicsQED(m): 7:19pm On May 18, 2015 |
[img]http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1103890&t=w[/img] "Vue de Koundian." AUTHOR Mage, E. Eugene (1837-1869) COLLECTION Voyage dans le Soudan Occidental. DATES / ORIGIN Date Issued: 1872 TOPICS Senegal Senegambia Dwellings |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by PhysicsQED(m): 7:25pm On May 18, 2015 |
[img]http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1105137&t=w[/img] "Toucouleur types - the interpreter Alpha Sega and his sisters." AUTHOR Reclus, Elisée (1830-1905) COLLECTION The Earth and Its Inhabitants, Africa. DATES / ORIGIN Date Issued: 1890-1893 [v.1, 1892] TOPICS Families Clothing & dress -- Africa Senegambia Toucouleur (African people) |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by PhysicsQED(m): 7:31pm On May 18, 2015 |
[img]http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1234440&t=w[/img] "El-Haj Abd-el-Kader, Envoy of Timbuktu." AUTHOR Reclus, Elisée (1830-1905) COLLECTION The Earth and Its Inhabitants, Africa. DATES / ORIGIN Date Issued: 1890-1893 [v.1, 1892] TOPICS Messengers Tombouctou (Mali) |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by PhysicsQED(m): 7:36pm On May 18, 2015 |
[img]http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1103891&t=w[/img] "Sambou, griot de Niantanso." AUTHOR Mage, E. Eugene (1837-1869) COLLECTION Voyage dans le Soudan Occidental. DATES / ORIGIN Date Issued: 1872 TOPICS Senegal Senegambia Musicians Musical instruments |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by PhysicsQED(m): 7:38pm On May 18, 2015 |
[img]http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1103894&t=w[/img] "Vue de Yamina sur le Niger." AUTHOR Mage, E. Eugene (1837-1869) COLLECTION Voyage dans le Soudan Occidental. DATES / ORIGIN Date Issued: 1872 TOPICS Senegal Senegambia Dwellings Waterways |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by PhysicsQED(m): 7:40pm On May 18, 2015 |
[img]http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1103893&t=w[/img] "Types et coiffures de Bambaras." AUTHOR Mage, E. Eugene (1837-1869) COLLECTION Voyage dans le Soudan Occidental. DATES / ORIGIN Date Issued: 1872 TOPICS Senegal Senegambia Hats Bambara (African people) |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by PhysicsQED(m): 7:43pm On May 18, 2015 |
[img]http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1103896&t=w[/img] "Entrée du palais d'Ahmadou à Ségou." AUTHOR Mage, E. Eugene (1837-1869) COLLECTION Voyage dans le Soudan Occidental. DATES / ORIGIN Date Issued: 1872 TOPICS Senegal Senegambia Doors & doorways Castles & palaces |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by PhysicsQED(m): 7:49pm On May 18, 2015 |
[img]http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1103898&t=w[/img] "Attack at Sansandig" (by Ahmadou's army) AUTHOR Mage, E. Eugene (1837-1869) COLLECTION Voyage dans le Soudan Occidental. DATES / ORIGIN Date Issued: 1872 Senegal Senegambia Campaigns & battles |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by PhysicsQED(m): 7:59pm On May 18, 2015 |
[img]http://images.nypl.org/index.php?id=1267771&t=w[/img] "A Sudanese scene: a reading in the street." AUTHOR Dubois, Félix (b. 1862) COLLECTION Timbuctoo the mysterious DATES / ORIGIN Date Issued: 1897 TOPICS Mali Men -- Clothing & dress -- Africa Malians Street life Oral reading |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by esere826: 10:19pm On May 18, 2015 |
@ physicsQED great stuff you've been posting. Looking at some of these pictures especially of the cityscapes, a question comes to mind. How did it relate to their agrarian nature (for those that were into agriculture)? Let me explain..for example, I always imagined that in the ancient Benin kingdom, households were not clustered together. each household would be surrounded by its farm, and the only place of building cluster would probably be the village square or market so i am thinking, did these guys who lived in clustered cities as shown in your pictures have farmlands that were apportioned to them which were probably outside the city walls? If this was the case, would it not have been realy easy for the enemy to cut off their food supply in times of war? Please, what are your thoughts? |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by PhysicsMHD(m): 4:17pm On May 24, 2015 |
esere826: This is a very good question and I'll give my opinion based on what I've read later today or tomorrow. |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by esere826: 8:21pm On May 25, 2015 |
PhysicsMHD: Thanks PhysicsQED I'll look forward to your thoughts around this. |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by AmunRaOlodumare: 9:55pm On May 26, 2015 |
esere826:I imagine this is true for any populations, cities or kingdom in the past or even today. You can always try to cut the food supply of the enemy as a kind of strategy (taking into account you're losing soldiers/equipments/resources for it). If the enemy is strong enough to cut your food supply, and you need it and can't take it back, it means you've lost or you're losing the war. When people are pushed to their city enclave, they must live off the food reserves which are sometimes pretty extensive, but you will still need to face the enemy at one point (or enter in diplomatic discussions). We can imagine as a king you don't want to place yourself in a siege situation. You prefer to engage the enemy well beyond the living quarters, or beyond the capital, where the king lives. Even beyond agricultural fields. If you're a king you engage them at the latest when the enemy starts moving in large numbers and attacking towns under your protection beyond the capital. When you hear about it, you send troops to meet them. I imagine in most cases, Kings knew well in advance when the enemy planned to attack. They probably attacked other towns before. Or refuse to pay tributes if it's a kingdom under your control. Etc. I'm only speculating here. 1 Like |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by esere826: 5:32pm On May 27, 2015 |
AmunRaOlodumare: Umhhh the theory does make a lot of 3D sense With this theory, I'm thinking, that a hypothesis can be made that cities which were walled would tend to seek to a large extent the control of their near and far neighbours around them through warfare or blunt subjugation for reason of self defence and, the upper class in such cities would tend to have invested more in livestock which their servants would easily herd home in times of war Thanks much |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by jeminetemi: 6:37pm On Jul 20, 2015 |
From what I read about Idris Aloma's sieges on walled cities, they did indeed destroy the food supplies. But some of the larger cities appear to have had farms within the walls and could hold out indefinitely. Such cities, like Dala in ancient Kano, were never overcome. History of the First Twelve Years of the Reign of the Mai Idris Alooma of Bornu, 1571-1583 (ISBN: 0714617091) |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by kingston277(m): 1:28am On Aug 24, 2015 |
PhysicsQED:I know this is an old thread and all but looking at this picture and thinking about the destruction of these forest kingdoms, I can't help but wonder. Why are most of the ancient and medieval savannah towns still standing today in 2015 while the towns of the forest regions are completely uprooted and gone as if they never existed? Did the Europeans have trouble burning and looting the muslim kingdoms when they took them over? Did the locals of Benin, Oyo, etc tear down the remainder of their own settlements when they coverted to Christianity? Maybe environment played a factor? Tropical regions don't preserve negleted mud/wiod structures as well as savannah environments? Compare the current state of the city of Edo to Kano in northern Nigeria. Even lesser powers like Bamoun's architecture that remained untouched into the 20th century doesn't seem to be standing anymore while the Dogon villages are still around. Almost all photographed forest region architecture in this thread and the benin one are either ild black & white photos or drawings while Kano, Timbuktu, Dogon and Gao can still be photographed today. |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by Nobody: 5:19am On Aug 24, 2015 |
^ I think there are two factors that account for this. a. Westernization proceeded much more rapidly in the south (i.e., the forest zone) than in the north (the savanna), and as families got westernised, they also tended to replace the old houses of mud and thatch with western ones of cement and 'zinc' roofs. b. Perhaps more important than Westernization was climate. Mud houses deteriorate faster in the humid climate of the forest zone than in the dry climate of the savanna. In the forest zone mud walls had to be repaired quite regularly, much more regularly than in the savanna. The result was that in the 20th century, as the traditional houses in the south fell apart due to the climate, maintenance/renovation tended to involve replacing the thatch roofs with longer-lasting European-style metal roofs, and plastering the mud walls over with cement. I have seen many houses in Southern Nigeria where a crack in the cement wall revealed an interior of mud. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by tpiander: 5:31am On Aug 24, 2015 |
esere826: the enemy would not cut food supplies (if they were slavers they would not have time to wait for surrender). Rather, they engaged in open warfare if they were able to enter the town's perimeter undefeated and then took slaves afterwards. Most towns, in an attempt to prevent this kind of thing from happening, usually had lookouts to sound the alarm if an enemy was sighted. And a standing army as well (most males were trained to fight as well as farm). If an alarm was heard, the males returned to defend the town and face the enemy in battle. As to whether this method was effective, not really sure since most of the populace still got enslaved or killed anyway. Huge toll. All this is as far as I know. 2 Likes |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by tpiander: 6:29am On Aug 24, 2015 |
Mind you, it doesn't mean the tactic you mentioned ( cutting food supply) wasn't used at all back then, it depends on region sometimes. |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by esere826: 12:16pm On Aug 25, 2015 |
tpiander: Thanks. It's quite helpful |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by mownie: 3:11am On Nov 26, 2015 |
I know this is an old thread. But please who has physicsqed's contact. It is really urgent pls. |
Re: Interesting Images From Precolonial And Early Colonial Africa by AlphaCEO: 6:52am On Aug 02, 2021 |
PhysicsQED:Mad cool history! |
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