bidexiii:



Mad man on the loose show me source that states the rooivalk was the 1st attack helicopter that can do back flips !
Your fake source even states that it might be the best attack helicopter then ? Mumu south africans !
Then show me source that states an apache can not do back flips and what they do is they turn up-side down ?
And the up-side down does not last more than 2 mins,give me citation that states so ?
Mumu's you can even tell me that the roovialks was even better than the apache then in every thing ?

agaugust:


Fool, you did not think before you wrote that garbage, you trapped yourself with your own senseless words

Iran and Iraq fought a conventional war that ended with no winner, so because Iran could not defeat Iraq, then Iraq is stronger than Iran according to your M0RONIC LOGIC OF STUPIIDITY ?

Full time fool
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agaugust:


They should have defeated and disarmed Taliban. That is what success means. NATO failed.

See the bolded part of your comment, you have admitted that Taliban is gaining more control of Afghanistan, thanks.

NATO failed, no winner. You just admitted that
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agaugust:


Citation needed for that 99% figure, prove it !
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agaugust:


After 10 years of NATO war in Afghanistan, Taliban is still s.hooting down US Navy Seals special forces helicopter and killing American commandos like houseflies. You said Taliban has been kicked out, yet in 2014 same Taliban controls huge lands and kills NATO troops at random, does an enemy you have kicked out still exist where you kicked them out, control land, make laws, and kill the same person that 'kicked them out' ?

You fvcking liar !

BY BILL ROGGIO | October 22, 2014 |

"The Afghan Taliban took control of three districts, one in the province of Wardak which is just south of Kabul, and the other two in the northern province of Kunduz, that were heavily contested during the US troop surge that began in 2010 and ended in 2011. One of the districts was the scene of the Taliban’s shoot down of a US helicopter that resulted in the deaths of 31 special operations personnel, including 17 US Navy SEALs.

Reports from Afghanistan indicate that the district of Sayyidabad in Wardak as well as the districts of Chahar Darah and Dasht-i-Archi in Kunduz province are under the Taiban’s thumb.

A reporter from the BBC recently visited the Tangi Valley in the district of Sayyidabad and noted that the Taliban fully control the district. He was given a tour by Said Rahman, the Taliban’s shadow district governor who is “popularly known as Governor Badr.”

Taliban fighters openly patrol the district during the daytime, while Afghan troops are confined to a small hilltop outpost.

Taliban judges mediate land and other disputes. Taxes are collected. Schools, which are funded by the Afghan government, teach the Taliban’s curriculum, while girls are not allowed to attend. [See BBC report, Life inside a Taliban stronghold.]

Further north, in the province of Kunduz, Afghan officials admit that “the Taliban controls virtually all of two out of seven districts in Kunduz – Chahar Darah and Dasht-i-Archi,’ Reuters reports.

“It is gaining influence elsewhere, and residents say it has been able to because what little state authority exists is viewed with deep mistrust,” Reuters continues.

In Kunduz, the Taliban collects a 10 percent tax from farmers and business, mediates disputes in its courts, and runs the local schools."

http://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2014/10/taliban_control_3_di.php

agaugust:


An aircraft carrier is NOT an ordinary surface vessel, it is a surface vessel with full air to air combat capabilities, air power at sea.

Your navy in Soweto does not have one.....sorry o
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[s]Force projection capability is part of a balanced military force. Reason why armies have amphibious armoured vehicles to operate on water.

A balanced navy can hold it's own and survive in a high threat environment of sub surface, surface, and air borne threats.[/s]

Thus a balanced navy has an aircraft carrier for air cover and air superiority off their coastline beyond help of their own air force.

[s]That is what the military world calls COMPLETE FLEET AIR ARM.[/s]

[s]Does not matter is only 10 countries of the world have aircraft carriers, fact is that a balanced navy has at least one aircraft carrier.[/s]

Many countries who don't want to use their own do keep it in reserve like China and Britain.

India has bought aircraft carrier and is using it now.

British navy has an aircraft carrier not in use, yet it was the balance of that single aircraft carrier that saved the British navy from total defeat in war with Argentina.
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If the British had no aircraft carrier, the Argentine air force would have sank all their entire navy fleet and Britain will lose the war.

Yes, it proves my point from war history, a balanced navy has an aircraft carrier or else it will lose war to air threat.[/s]

[s]You want to remove aircraft carrier from naval requirement because South Africa does not have one, fact is that your navy is NOT balanced until you have aircraft carrier, deal with it[/s]

patches689:


Iraq started the war and attacked Iran

Iran effectively defended its territory and ended the war in Iraqi territory

If you had even the vaugest notion of how that war played out you would not have yet again humiliated yourself.

Congratulations on (yet again) proving my point for me.

patches689:

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1. Britain is building a carrier and china is still figuring out how to use theirs - not in reserve you id.iot

2. You dont need carrier air-cover off your own coast as that is provided by land based aircraft

3. Yes - THE BRITISH CARRIER SAVED THEIR NAVY IN A CAMPAIGN BASED ON FORCE PROJECTION

Facts are that carriers are only needed for force projection.

Navies with a defensive orientation do not need carriers, or else countries like Korea/Japan/Turkey would have them.
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jln115:

Firstly the source you are referring to said it was possibly the best when the Rooivalk first came out, meaning in the early Nineties! Which BTW it was!

Secondly here is a none South African source that also prove my claims: http://www.military-intellisense.com/air/ah2rooivalk.html

"And the up-side down does not last more than 2 mins,give me citation that states so ? "
WTF is this? Im the one telling everybody a helicopter CANT fly inverted for more than a few seconds, it scientifically impossible for any helicopter in the world to fly inverted for more than a few seconds, I even corrected my own countrymen on this fact!

patches689:


wow - a whole 3 districts out of 329

bidexiii:


Retard ur source only gave specifications just like the previous ones u and ur bloody liars av being giving ! ;
Says nothing about backflips or even aerobatics on the rooivalks ur source is about specifications ! U av no proof dat ur combact helicopter is the 1st to do a back flip !

patches689:


And they only hold them because:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/28/nato-ends-afghanistan-combat-operations-after-13-years

agaugust:


LOL....I just ruined your argument of conventional war

War ended on Iraqi territory according to you? Citation needed.

The war ended on both territories, on land, air and sea of both countries.

PROOF:

Location: Iran–Iraq border
Result: Stalemate
Iraqi failure to annex territories on the east bank of the Shatt al-Arab and bolster Arab separatism in the region of Khuzestan
Iranian failure to invade and capture Iraqi territory and to topple Saddam Hussein
UNSC Resolution 598

The last notable combat actions of the war took place on 3 August 1988, in the Persian Gulf when the Iranian navy fired on a freighter and Iraq launched chemical attacks on Iranian civilians, killing an unknown number of them and wounding 2,300.

Who won the war? Nobody.....that wrecks your argument like a ship struck my Otomat missile
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agaugust:


All the above is your personal opinion.....IRRELEVANT
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agaugust:


They added 3 news districts to the many they already control, meaning progress, and advancing.

Show us proof that Taliban hold only 3 out of 329 districs.

Show us proof !
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agaugust:


Taliban has been holding Afghanistan lands, controlling towns, operating Islamic courts of law, Quranic schools, collecting taxes, etc from before the arrival of NATO, to the stay of NATO'S 13 year intervention, till today May 21, 2015.

NATO has NEVER and will NEVER defeat Taliban in Afghanistan.

Nigerian army is the only one that can do it !
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bidexiii:


Retard ur source only gave specifications just like the previous ones u and ur bloody liars av being giving ! ;
Says nothing about backflips or even aerobatics on the rooivalks ur source is about specifications ! U av no proof dat ur combact helicopter is the 1st to do a back flip !

agaugust:


You don't know how many lies a normal South African will tell in 24 hours?

I will never do business with a South African unless we have a lawyer review and witness all the contract papers, these Southies are frauds

jln115:


I'm the one telling everybody a helicopter CANT fly inverted for more than a few seconds, it scientifically impossible for any helicopter in the world to fly inverted for more than a few seconds, I even corrected my own countrymen on this fact!

patches689:


They hold 3 districts out of 300

patches689:


No - they controlled only 3

The citation has been posted many times

patches689:


Iraq attacked Iran

Iran defended itself completely and lost no territory

Again -you proved my point for me

jln115:


"When the Rooivalk first came out, it was the only helicopter in the world that could fly upside down."
http://www.military-intellisense.com/air/ah2rooivalk.html

jln115:


"When the Rooivalk first came out, it was the only helicopter in the world that could fly upside down."

http://www.military-intellisense.com/air/ah2rooivalk.html

agaugust:


Citation needed, prove it
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agaugust:


NEVER, the argument about number of districts just came up today !

You fvcking liar, prove it ! You say Taliban only rules 3 districts out of 300 in Afghanistan, prove it now ! Thief, liar, fraud, all three in one.

Show us citation to prove Taliban rules only 3 of 300 districts

agaugust:


Argentina attacked British territory, Britain fought back and won because Argentina could not defeat Britain, so Britain is stronger.

Iraq attacked Iran, Iran fought back for 8 years and could NOT defeat Iraq, stalemate, no winner. Means Iraq is stronger than Iran according to your logic of stupiidity

Next time, think well before you post comments with your 2nd bottom world ranked Soweto brain
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agaugust:


There is NOTHING written about Rooivalk flying upside down in that your source dude, are you maadman ?
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patches689:


Iraq attacked Iran

Iran pushed Iraq out of its territory

Iran defended itself for 8 years

Iran won

Next time, read about the history of the conflict you are talking about

patches689:
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bidexiii:


Insanity is keep doing same thing over and over again !
Ur source ; http://www.military-intellisense.com/air/ah2rooivalk.html ,is only giving specifications on rooivalks, in which I assume its the latest rooivalks. "cos the site is dated 2014" if am right ?
Let me sound it to u clearly so that we get each other right what we are saying is a or couple of decades give me a citation of the then rooivalk and where it says its the first to do a back flip, cos I assume a lot of upgrades would av being done on it by now !
Please accept defeat humbly every normal military researchers know that the lynx's and apache's where the 1st set of military craft to do a back flip, before ur denel rooivalks started . Comparing the old apache specification to the new rooivalks , the old apache beats the rooivalks hands down .
Here is a shot brief history on the apache ; www.boeing.com/history/products/ah-64-apache.page

agaugust:


There is NOTHING written about Rooivalk flying upside down in that your source dude, are you maadman ?
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