Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by MEILYN(m): 9:33am On Nov 03, 2013 |
Ajibam: _^^that's a warning... why did you hide the post? Na wa oo. Did the Op complain about the post? Oh my gosh.... Ajibam u dey fall hand to pieces. |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by TheMadame(f): 9:34am On Nov 03, 2013 |
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Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by Damlesky(m): 9:59am On Nov 03, 2013 |
Matthew 27:3-8 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that. And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in. Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day. Acts 1:18-19 Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out. And it was known unto all the dwellers at Jerusalem; insomuch as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The field of blood. Here are a series of problems claimed of these two accounts. Matthew has Judas hanging himself, while Acts says he fell over and busted his guts open. So which is correct? Here are the explanations to be considered: The standard explanation given by harmonists is that Judas hanged himself, and then his body fell and broke open. This has some promise: Judas hanged himself on Passover and before a Sabbath, and no Jew was going to touch the hanging corpse (touching a dead body caused defilement; it would have been work to take it down on the Sabbath; added to that, death by hanging was especially a disgrace; and hoisting a dead body isn't an attractive vocation if it isn't on your property), so it is safe to assume that Judas hanged himself and that the branch or rope eventually broke. Polhill in his Acts commentary [92n] notes that the phrase translated "becoming headlong" ( prenes genomenos -- translated as "falling headlong" in the KJV, but literally being "becoming headlong" as shown in Green's Interlinear translation, 366) is a mere transcription error away from being "becoming swollen" ( presthes genomenos). The latter may well be what was originally written, and as such might describe Judas' body swelling up after hanging for a while. This reading is found in later Syriac, Georgian and Armenian mss., though perhaps as an attempt at textual criticism of the sort we are doing. Skeptics do regularly scoff at the suggestion that such a combination of events could happen, and yet be reported differently, but Eddy and Boyd in The Jesus Legend have discovered an almost exactly analogous case involving the lynching of two brothers in 1881. [424] Two different witness accounts indicated that the brothers were hanged from two different places: a railroad crossing, and a pine tree. Historians would have concluded that there was a contradiction until researchers found photographs proving that both accounts were correct: The brothers had been hanged in both locations, having been apparently first hanged from the crossing, and then later taken down and hanged on the pine tree. Taken together I still consider the "hanging body/rope broke" solution possible -- but now find something else even more likely. But first let's look at another answer: Matthew does not even describe Judas' death at all . Here is how one site puts it: The Greek word translated "hanged himself" is the word apanchomai which is used in Greek literature to mean choking or squeezing one's self as with great emotion or grief. In English we have a similar expression when we say that someone is "all choked up." We do not mean that they have died. We mean that they are overcome with emotion. Judas cast down the pieces of silver in the temple and left doubling himself over with grief. A check of the lexicons shows that such a meaning is indeed possible , but I found only one actual example listed -- the vast majority of the meanings given were for a physical hanging; there was only one example of a figurative meaning as described. So I would say that this is a possible solution, but not likely. However, I would now opt for the idea that this is an example of Matthew's creative use of an OT "type" . This would combine the idea that Matthew is not actually describing Judas' death, with Matthew's use of the OT texts as typologies. Audrey Conrad, in "The Fate of Judas" ( Toronto Journal of Theology [7] 1992), notes that Matthew's unique words "departed" and "hanged himself" are found in combination in another place in the LXX: 2 Samuel 17:23 And when Ahithophel saw that his counsel was not followed, he saddled his ass, and arose, and gat him home to his house, to his city, and put his household in order, and hanged himself, and died, and was buried in the sepulchre of his father. Conrad notes that rabbinic interpretation of Ps. 41:9 ("Yea, mine own familiar friend, in whom I trusted, which did eat of my bread, hath lifted up his heel against me." thought that Ahithophel was the traitor David was describing -- and of course this same verse was applied by Jesus to Judas (John 13:18). Conrad still thinks there are not enough parallels (!) but we would maintain that the parallels are sufficient, and that Matthew is indeed alluding to the traitor Ahithophel in this passage, and is therefore NOT telling us that Judas indeed hanged himself, but that Judas fulfilled the "type" of Ahithophel by being a traitor who responded with grief and then died. Matthew is thereby making no statement at all about Judas' mode of death, and Luke's "swelling up" stands alone as a specific description of what happened. It makes no sense for the author to tell us that Judas' guts burst without telling us why it happened. Spilling out of guts because of swelling is such a rare event that surely if Luke believed that this extraordinary thing actually happened to Judas, he would have made certain to provide the extraordinary explanation for its occurrence. This "surely" is the objection of a low-context modern demanding full explanations for every unusual event, but when it comes down to it, neither Luke nor any person could have been able to "provide the explanation" without knowing why it happened. Unless Luke or some other physician had access to Judas (not likely) they could not so much as mount a guess as to "why". (See here -- secular historians have no problem with similar ideas.) Matthew says the priests bought the field, but Acts says that Judas did. So who did it? The alternate site opts for this explanation: The chief priests did not want to put the money paid for the betrayal of Jesus back into the temple treasury as it was "blood money." So they bought an "agros:" a field to bury strangers in. Because blood money was used to purchase the field it was called "the field [agros] of blood." This is different than the property [chorion] that Judas purchased himself referred to in Acts Chapter 1. The problem here is that both Acts and Matthew connect the purchase specifically with Judas' act of treachery. Thus I cannot accept this solution. However, it does lead into our own answer. There are a few factors here -- one linguistic, the others sociological. The word used by Matthew for "bought" is agorazo -- a general term meaning, "to go to market." It means to purchase, but also to redeem. It is a verb that refers to the transaction of business. Note how Luke uses it in opposition to another word: Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell (poleo) his garment, and buy (agorazo) one. Poleo can mean "sell" but it's primary meaning has to do with trading and bartering. Therefore the translation of "buy" (and "sell" is made according to context. How does this mean anything with regard to Judas? First, note the word Luke uses. It is ktaomai , which means to "get, acquire, obtain, possess, provide, purchase." This word has the connotations of ownership that agorazo does not. Matthew says that the priests transacted business for the obtaining of the field, but they did not thereby have possession of the field. The money they used was Judas' and the field was bought in his name; the field was technically and legally his. And that leads to another question no one has yet raised, but which I will: It seems too much of a coincidence, that the priests managed to buy the exact same field that Judas died in. Not at all. Once Judas died in the field, the land became defiled by his corpse. Hence it would become perfectly suited to become a full- time cemetery. In this ancient collectivist society, the gossip would readily get around as to where and how Judas died and it would not be a burden for the decision to be made to purchase the field in Judas' name (see below) to turn into a cemetery. If Judas threw the money away, it wasn't his anymore, it belonged to the priests. This is where our social factor comes into play. Note that the money cannot be put in the treasury -- it cannot be made to belong to the temple again -- because it is blood money. Keener observes in his Matthean commentary [657-8]: Ancient Eastern peoples regarded very seriously the guilt of innocent blood, sometimes viewed in terms of corporate responsibility. Like Pilate the priestly officials wanted nothing further to do with the situation, and likewise understand that the blood was innocent... The money was profaned and tainted by the way it was used. By ancient thinking, it was ritually unclean -- though even today a charity may refuse money if it is gained by ill-gotten means. Now it follows that when they transacted the business of the field for the temple, to avoid association with ritual uncleanness, the priests would have to have bought it in the name of Judas Iscariot, the one whose blood money it was. The property and transaction records available to the public and probably consulted by Luke would reflect that Judas bought the field -- or else Luke is indeed aware of what transpired and is using just the right verb to make the point. Matthew says the name 'Field of Blood' came because it was bought with blood money. Luke says it was because Judas split his guts all over. So which is it? This objection assumes that what was "known unto all the dwellers" was Judas' gut-bust episode, but it would seem that the phrase modifies all that precedes it: "Now this man purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out." Judas' gut-burst would hardly warrant a "field of blood" designation for the whole property. There would not be blood everywhere. The "Field of Blood" name was derived -- even as Matthew says -- from the act of purchase with the reward of Judas' iniquity -- what iniquity? The betrayal of innocent blood , which Luke recorded in his own Gospel. -JPH 1 Like |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by Ajibam: 10:05am On Nov 03, 2013 |
TheMadame:
Could you please post it on the thread. I don't know how to do it. Or explain t me so I can transfer it here. Thanks in advance. sorry for the other time... my apology.. happy Sunday |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by Ajibam: 10:06am On Nov 03, 2013 |
thanks @damlesky |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by Ajibam: 10:08am On Nov 03, 2013 |
TheMadame:
Could you please post it on the thread. I don't know how to do it. Or explain t me so I can transfer it here. Thanks in advance. sorry for the other time... my apology.. happy Sunday Vilicious: @AJIBAM for the few times I have been on nairaland, i have always admired your writings and your ideas, it all change now for what you just did. We are debating an issue and everyone of us is presenting our ideas, even if i dint like his post, i still think using your powers as a MOD was uncalled for. Ban me if you like, or hide the post. And please if you know the answer kindly give the lady who is willing to learn, besides when the ethiopian eunoch was travelling to Gaza he was reading a passage in the bible and could not understand but God sent philip to interprete it to him. So you see, telling her will not spoil her. No de fall my hand abeg MEILYN: why did you hide the post? Na wa oo. Did the Op complain about the post? Oh my gosh.... Ajibam u dey fall hand to pieces. my sincere apology |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by blesoh(f): 10:08am On Nov 03, 2013 |
TheMadame:
I am not a Muslim nor an atheist,but a Christian,who desires knowledge. When I read my Bible I ask questions. The questions are- 1.How did Judas die? A.Hanging? B.Burst asunder? 2.Who bought the field of blood?Judas or the Chief priests and elders? 3. Did Judas receive forgiveness for his sins or is he perpetually condemned? Remember the passage says he repented. Remember all I quoted is from the Bible. then read it well,d holy spirit will interprete it for u. |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by blesoh(f): 10:10am On Nov 03, 2013 |
[quote author=MEILYN] You are a Christian right? Why dont u answer her question now? . Thats how you Christians dodge questions and afterwards what we will hear is 'may God deliver u' 'may God help u' e.t.c e.t.c. Her question meant no harm, she was just curious. Oya madam u better answer oo. How did Judas die?[/quote] and wats ur biz if i choose not to answer such a question. |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by TheMadame(f): 10:34am On Nov 03, 2013 |
@damlesky, Thank you,although in all honesty the article is even more confusing. 1 Like |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by TheMadame(f): 10:40am On Nov 03, 2013 |
Ajibam:
sorry for the other time... my apology.. happy Sunday No problem. I believe Christians should fellowship and debate all ambiguities in the Bible. Questions about the Bible should not be treated with suspicion and threatened with eternal damnation . We learn every day. Thank you for your contribution,and happy Sunday to you. |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by TheMadame(f): 10:42am On Nov 03, 2013 |
blesoh: then read it well,d holy spirit will interprete it for u. Follow this thread,you might learn some thing. |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by AlfaSeltzer(m): 12:28pm On Nov 03, 2013 |
Ajibam:
sorry for the other time... my apology.. happy Sunday
my sincere apology very xtian of you to apologise to your fellow xtians but not to the person who you actually wronged and threatened. 1 Like |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by Joshthefirst(m): 12:44pm On Nov 03, 2013 |
Judas hung himself, his body swelled and decayed, the rope cut and he fell headlong and burst open. 1 Like |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by ubl6: 12:53pm On Nov 03, 2013 |
In Islam, the Quran tells us that: “Do they not then consider the Quran carefully? Had it been from other than God, they would surely have found therein much contradictions” 4:82 In other words God told us, this is an ‘acid test’ — a criteria for testing any Book that claims to be ‘His Words’. That Book must not be contradictory. It must be consistent in itself and cannot contain any errors or mistakes. For God is perfect, therefore His perfection must reflect in ‘His Book’. That Judas example sighted by the OP above is just one of the hundreds of contradictions in the ‘Holy Bible’!. Pls mods don't hide my comment because we are in a Democratic era o. Lol |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by harbiola1(m): 3:35pm On Nov 03, 2013 |
@damleksy, welldone, bt u didn't even atempt my question and that's unfair. may b it's because i'm a muslim but i think that shouldn't be a problem afterall thats the purpose of the thread. here is the question again for damleksy and others bt u guys shldn't fall my clean hands again. 1. father of Bashemath the wife of esau (isaac's son) is 2. elon the hittite is the father of ....... Genesis 36:2-3, Genesis 26:34 Goodluck ![lipsrsealed](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/lipsrsealed.png) @damleksy, welldone, bt u didn't even atempt my question and that's unfair. may b it's because i'm a muslim but i think that shouldn't be a problem afterall thats the purpose of the thread. here is the question again for damleksy and others bt u guys shldn't fall my clean hands again. 1. father of Bashemath the wife of esau (isaac's son) is 2. elon the hittite is the father of ....... Genesis 36:2-3, Genesis 26:34 Goodluck |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by Ranchhoddas: 3:50pm On Nov 03, 2013 |
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Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by Dantedasz(m): 4:01pm On Nov 03, 2013 |
Joshthefirst: Judas hung himself, his body swelled and decayed, the rope cut and he fell headlong and burst open. Very convenient answer,but WHO bought the field of blood he died in? Judas Iscariot or the Chief Priests and elders? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by Empiree: 1:32am On May 19, 2015 |
anthoniosp: when will you learn to watch your comments?? ... pope asked a man hu said exactly this a question " why do you read the bible?? to promote peace or to find errors?? "... bros u should knw dat freedom of speech is not freedom to say everything...y am i evn talkin to you sef?? you are a baby Look at this one....but when Pamela Geller utters nonsense about Islam and its prophet(saw), you folks don't hesitate to line up behind her back. "It's freedom of speech" 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by Empiree: 1:35am On May 19, 2015 |
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Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by Empiree: 1:40am On May 19, 2015 |
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Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by johnw74: 5:55am On May 19, 2015 |
Mat 27:3 Then he who had betrayed Him, seeing that He was condemned, sorrowing, Judas returned the thirty pieces of silver again to the chief priests and elders, Mat 27:4 saying, I have sinned, betraying innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? You see to that. Mat 27:5 And he threw the pieces of silver down in the temple and departed. And he went and hanged himself. Mat 27:6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. Mat 27:7 And they took counsel and bought the potter's field with them, to bury strangers in. Mat 27:8 Therefore that field was called, The Field of Blood, to this day. Mat 27:9 Then that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled, saying, "And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of Him who had been priced, whom they of the children of Israel valued, Mat 27:10 and gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me."
Act 1:18 Indeed, then, this one purchased a field with the reward of unrighteousness. And falling headlong, he burst apart in the middle, and all his bowels gushed out. Act 1:19 And it was known to all the dwellers at Jerusalem, so much so that that field is called in their own dialect, Akeldama, that is to say, Field of Blood.
There doesn't have to be any conflict between the two accounts,
Act 1:18 Indeed, then, this one purchased a field with the reward of unrighteousness Mat 27:7 And they took counsel and bought the potter's field with them
It was judas money that purchased the potters field, even though it was the chief priests that physically bought the field with judas money.
Judas hanged himself, the branch broke and he fell forward onto a sharp rock tearing himself asunder and being disemboweled.
It doesn't have to be conflicting, that is just one possibility, and some could put it much better than me. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by Scholar8200(m): 8:50am On May 19, 2015 |
" The word here rendered "headlong" - πρηνής prēnēs (Latin "pronus," whence our English word "prone" ![wink](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/wink.png) - means properly "bent forward, head-foremost"; and the idea is, that his position in hanging himself was such that when the cord broke he fell headlong, or fell forward on his face. He first hanged himself, and then fell and was burst asunder "(Culled from Biblehub)"When a hanging body decomposes, this will be the grisly result"(Evidence Bible) The passage in Acts said he fell meaning he was at an elevated point from whence the falling took place. Well Judas regretted his actions afterward and it was obvious that he was still in possession of the money though arrangement for the purchase of the field was in top gear and was not without the knowledge of the religious leaders/sanhedrin who were the judges of their time considering the fact that the issue of land as an inheritance and the transfer of such was a great issue among the Israelites/the law. Indeed, this is buttressed by the fact that he hanged himself on the same land. See Ruth 4:3-11a 3 And he said unto the kinsman, Naomi, that is come again out of the country of Moab, selleth a parcel of land, which was our brother Elimelech’s: 4 and I thought to advertise thee, saying, Buy it before the inhabitants, and before the elders of my people. If thou wilt redeem it, redeem it: but if thou wilt not redeem it,5 Then said Boaz, What day thou buyest the field of the hand of Naomi, thou must buy it also of Ruth the Moabitess, the wife of the dead, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance. 6 And the kinsman said, I cannot redeem it for myself, lest I mar mine own inheritance: redeem thou my right to thyself; 9 And Boaz said unto the elders, and unto all the people, Ye are witnesses this day, that I have bought all that was Elimelech’s, and all that was Chilion’s and Mahlon’s, of the hand of Naomi. 11 And all the people that were in the gate, and the elders, said, We are witnesses.Note the highlighted texts. Also note that money was not paid immediately by the buyer;just a declaration of interest and willingness was admissible then; payment was done later in some cases. He really did not repent; he rather regretted his actions and committed suicide. Remorse is not synonymous with repentance. |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by Empiree: 10:58am On May 19, 2015 |
johnw74:
Judas hanged himself, the branch broke and he fell forward onto a sharp rock tearing himself asunder and being disemboweled.
It doesn't have to be conflicting, that is just one possibility, and some could put it much better than me.
@underlined, is clearly your input. It also contradicts Bible scholars. Do you have any idea what some bible scholars said about Act 1:18 Indeed, then, this one purchased a field with the reward of unrighteousness. And falling headlong, he burst apart in the middle, and all his bowels gushed out.They gave it a new meaning. They said it is parable. I have a christian who posted such a silly reply in another thread. This means you have no reasonable commentaries behind the verse. So you saying the tree he hung himself cracked or broke and he fell is unfounded. You just trying to fit your own interpretation. These are clear contradictions. Try harder next time fella 1 Like |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by johnw74: 11:50am On May 19, 2015 |
Empiree: @underlined, is clearly your input. It also contradicts Bible scholars. Do you have any idea what some bible scholars said about Act 1:18 Indeed, then, this one purchased a field with the reward of unrighteousness. And falling headlong, he burst apart in the middle, and all his bowels gushed out.
They gave it a new meaning. They said it is parable. I have a christian who posted such a silly reply in another thread. This means you have no reasonable commentaries behind the verse. So you saying the tree he hung himself cracked or broke and he fell is unfounded. You just trying to fit your own interpretation. These are clear contradictions. Of course it's my input, that's what I said johnw74: that is just one possibility Empiree: Try harder next time fella No that was good enough for me fella |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by Empiree: 1:00pm On May 19, 2015 |
johnw74:
Of course it's my input, that's what I said
No that was good enough for me fella
sorry, your theory is boloney |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by johnw74: 4:07pm On May 19, 2015 |
Empiree: sorry, your theory is boloney Don't let it bother you, get some beauty sleep, sleep for about a year should do it. They say fish is good brain food, try eating a whale. ![cheesy](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/cheesy.png) |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by Nobody: 4:30pm On May 19, 2015 |
Two different authors, two different accounts that don't agree. Simple really. 2 Likes |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by anthoniosp(m): 3:39pm On May 21, 2015 |
Empiree: Look at this one....but when Pamela Geller utters nonsense about Islam and its prophet(saw), you folks don't hesitate to line up behind her back. "It's freedom of speech" give me ten reasons why I should know your pallema gutter? I don't know her and if she is a islamophobic den I don't wanna know her...BT if you truly despise her mutterings den why follow in her footsteps..you call som1 a devil but you do what d person does..den tell me what you are? |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by anthoniosp(m): 3:56pm On May 21, 2015 |
johnw74: Mat 27:3 Then he who had betrayed Him, seeing that He was condemned, sorrowing, Judas returned the thirty pieces of silver again to the chief priests and elders, Mat 27:4 saying, I have sinned, betraying innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? You see to that. Mat 27:5 And he threw the pieces of silver down in the temple and departed. And he went and hanged himself. Mat 27:6 And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood. Mat 27:7 And they took counsel and bought the potter's field with them, to bury strangers in. Mat 27:8 Therefore that field was called, The Field of Blood, to this day. Mat 27:9 Then that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet was fulfilled, saying, "And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of Him who had been priced, whom they of the children of Israel valued, Mat 27:10 and gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me."
Act 1:18 Indeed, then, this one purchased a field with the reward of unrighteousness. And falling headlong, he burst apart in the middle, and all his bowels gushed out. Act 1:19 And it was known to all the dwellers at Jerusalem, so much so that that field is called in their own dialect, Akeldama, that is to say, Field of Blood.
There doesn't have to be any conflict between the two accounts,
Act 1:18 Indeed, then, this one purchased a field with the reward of unrighteousness Mat 27:7 And they took counsel and bought the potter's field with them
It was judas money that purchased the potters field, even though it was the chief priests that physically bought the field with judas money.
Judas hanged himself, the branch broke and he fell forward onto a sharp rock tearing himself asunder and being disemboweled.
It doesn't have to be conflicting, that is just one possibility, and some could put it much better than me.
oboi..you dey try ooh..I no dey see Islam vs Christianity as argument again ooh..der latest na atheism vs islam.....it turned out to be the hilarious... |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by anthoniosp(m): 4:00pm On May 21, 2015 |
Empiree: @underlined, is clearly your input. It also contradicts Bible scholars. Do you have any idea what some bible scholars said about Act 1:18 Indeed, then, this one purchased a field with the reward of unrighteousness. And falling headlong, he burst apart in the middle, and all his bowels gushed out.
They gave it a new meaning. They said it is parable. I have a christian who posted such a silly reply in another thread. This means you have no reasonable commentaries behind the verse. So you saying the tree he hung himself cracked or broke and he fell is unfounded. You just trying to fit your own interpretation. These are clear contradictions.
Try harder next time fella sheen.....see am a christian as you already know......... 1....this is not the only contradiction in the English Bible.... ah ah check in the old testament about number of years and deer are many contradictions in d bible because of translation from the original language to other languages of which Islam no fit even try am 2...oyaa wait you grabbed d whole message na..der was a field and there was a money, deer was a buy der was a Judas and der was a die....so wetin you want hear again...Judas die for field after he betray Jesus.. ![cheesy](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/cheesy.png) |
Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by Empiree: 4:22pm On May 21, 2015 |
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Re: How Did Judas Iscariot Actually Die? by Empiree: 4:24pm On May 21, 2015 |
anthoniosp: give me ten reasons why I should know your pallema gutter? I don't know her and if she is a islamophobic den I don't wanna know her...BT if you truly despise her mutterings den why follow in her footsteps..you call som1 a devil but you do what d person does..den tell me what you are? Ask google who she is |