jln115:

Uhm...When did any of us say it was an advantage? I was purely pointing out that when the Rooivalk came out, it was the only helicopter able to preform a loop/Backflip!

Henry120:


Exactly!!! The U.S doctrine focuses on an over-reliance of Firepower and air-support. It is the machine, not the man that does the fighting.

It works for the U.S perfectly since they have a 700 billion dollars budget and a over 3000 fighter jets to call in. When this doctrine is transferred/ adopted by less rich Nations, there Armies seem to crumble when faced with a determined foe.

The brits like you correctly pointed out are better trained Infantry men. In my opinion, they have the best Infantry in the world. Countries who adopt british tactics do better in combat than those of American.

As for the French, i won't categorise the french in the same level as the british. The british Infantry is top to bottom better than the French. French over dependence on air-support was very apparent in Operation serval. 100 French Paratroopers armed with M.G's and High powered sniper rifles against 12 Jihadist still had to call in 30mm and Rocket fire was Tiger gunship.


The American disease was becoming a Nigerian military problem, when i read troops and some Nigerians always calling for Gunship support in the initial stages of the setback.

It was very gratifying when the COAS came out emphatically and said, "It is the soldier, not the equipment that does the fighting".

American training is window dressing, it does nothing and it achieves nothing. Even their S.F troops still have to depend on significant military support.


That's for Training, Any thoughts American failed counter-terrorism, only 2-3 years after they left Iraq, they are back, with members of Al-qeada in Iraq, now ISIS controlling at some point 60% of Iraq, and still holding up to 50% of Syria.

The Taliban still controls large swats of land in Afghanistan with almost daily bombings despite an initial surge of U.S troops.

- the Pakistani Taliban and alqeada are still very effective.

- alqeada in Yemen is now stronger than ever.

- Alqeada now has a significant offshoot in the indian sub-continent.

- ISIL in Libya controls all of sirte and significant part of the country.

-Ansar Bait al-Maqdis, ansar al-sharia in Egypt and the sinai peninsula are still very active.

- Al-shabbab despite drone attacks and Special forces raids is still capable of launching attacks in Somalian green zones.

- the militants in the Philippines, Indonesia and Malaysia are still very active despite U.S support.

- AQAP is still strong.

It is very obvious U.S counter-terrorism operations have failed and relative successes have been overblown in the U.S media.

jln115:

You also said it was almost certain that Nigeria would buy the JF-17,T80, Super Tucano, Bofors Archer,SU30 ect ect ect

overhypedsteve:
why should he not mention Nigeria, have we not been buying from SA. did we not get our RHEVA'S and IKRI'S from SA companies. do you know the kind of publicity,advert and combat test that the Gazelles, the MI24, and super puma is getting from Nigeria's war on Terror(what the Rooivalk program so badly needs) and with the look of things these Nigerian Air Assets may be engaged against ISIS in Libya soon( this would have exposed the Rooivalk to the world on its effectiveness or ineffectiveness as a Combat Bird) All these will attract prospective buyers, expose technical flaws, and ideas for upgrades or future variants. what else can a combat bird ask for? or where else will the Rooivalk find that kind of attention?

agaugust:


Nice information. Thanks a million.

It's almost certain Nigeria will buy a squadron or two of the T-129 ATAK.....Attacker !

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Henry120:
Patches689, you r3tard!

How does $21,000 a bomb, at 1000 airstrikes on a small town equal success?

Patchy the pirate....... despite U.S and coalition air strikes on ramadi, baghdadi's goons have taken over the town. Once again, your theory of Fighter jets been effective as CAS has fallen flat on it's face.

Henry120:


Nigeria would get the JF-17. This isn't in doubt.

- T-84, two examples were sent to Nigeria.

- Super Tucano was evaluated and dropped.

- bofors archer was an honest mistake since corrected.

- SU-30, this is also been evaluated, no firm decision has been reached.

- the T-129 is designed to be the spear in the Nigerian Airforce network capability program. It is meant to link Airborne surveillance assets, GCS/situation room, attack asset and man on the ground. It is a data link already in place.

Henry120:


Forget about mikeczar, he's a retarrd. Can't you see how well the Half-french Helicopter has done........... only 10 units are in active service anywhere in the world, an un-proven platform, whose combat experience is against lowly rebels armed with only AK-47's.

It is this attitude that has seen that Helicopter rejected by everybody from Thailand - the U.K.


The IKRI is not a South-African build. It was jointly designed by DCD and Mekahog to the specifications of the Nigerian police. Hence it has a Nigerian name.

pavri:
Interesting, Nigeria wanted to purchase USA Cobra helicopters but refused.

http://www.punchng.com/news/why-we-refused-to-sell-cobra-helicopters-to-nigeria-us/

After that, Nigeria wanted to purchase Israeli second hand Cobra's but USA blocked that.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.638992

patches689:


Things you claimed you were getting

None of which you have

Get the point?

patches689:


ANd the US will block the ATAK

patches689:


ANd the US will block the ATAK

Adefuye said that Washington had refused Nigeria’s requests to buy heavy weaponry because of allegations the defense forces have violated the human rights of Boko Haram suspects.

He said allegations of human rights abuses by the military were “rumors, hearsays and exaggerated accounts put about by rivals of President Goodluck Jonathan and rights groups.”

patches689:


Weapons are not judged by sales

ikri is completely south african

patches689:


Things you claimed you were getting

None of which you have

Get the point?

agaugust:


3 years ago, @Andrewza your SAN navy officer said South Africa is buying Gowind corvettes under project Biro, have you got them since 3 years?

patches689:


ANd the US will block the ATAK

patches689:


So the fall of ramafi has nothing to do with the Iraq army running away?

Hey - tell me: what happened at kobani?

pavri:


Dude, You have succesfully developed various type of defence tools including attack helicopter but As everybody accepts that S. Africa is not a rotor craft innovation/excellence center of the world so Claiming some first time newness regarding performance/device while using a foreign engine is not realistic. It is same for claiming Rooivalk is the first one for this or that. USA is flying with those type rotor crafts since 50-60 years and continuously upgrading them from that time. They have a vast of experience but If you claim that Rooivalk is the first one doing this or that before them, It will be considered among serious members as just a statement typed with purely nationalistic senses.

Henry120:


Nigeria would get the JF-17. This isn't in doubt.

- T-84, two examples were sent to Nigeria.

- Super Tucano was evaluated and dropped.

- bofors archer was an honest mistake since corrected.

- SU-30, this is also been evaluated, no firm decision has been reached.

- the T-129 is designed to be the spear in the Nigerian Airforce network capability program. It is meant to link Airborne surveillance assets, GCS/situation room, attack asset and man on the ground. It is a data link already in place.

kemdaniels:
This pavri guy really sound like he's marketing something out here.:-D;-)

Henry120:
Patches689, you r3tard!

How does $21,000 a bomb, at 1000 airstrikes on a small town equal success?

Patchy the pirate....... despite U.S and coalition air strikes on ramadi, baghdadi's goons have taken over the town. Once again, your theory of Fighter jets been effective as CAS has fallen flat on it's face.

jln115:

Ok so what your saying because it has a foreign engine thus its not a South African design? Do you see the irony in your post? To be honest I couldn't care less what the US has upgraded and what experience they have in what so ever field. And im not claiming anything the FACT still remains that the Rooivalk was the only helicopter in the world able to preform a backflip when it first came out, regardless if it had foreign Engine and Rotor component. Imagine an Apache with a Black hawk engine and Rotor blades yet still had the same performance! This basically what the Rooivalk is, it has basically the same engine and rotor blades as the Oryx yet it has exceptional performance statistics, its a engineering marvel!

Henry120:
MIG-29m2 / MIG-35 cockpit

pavri:


I don't care which foreign components you are using on Rooivalk. What I am talking is some needless and childless claims regarding your copter. There is not a thing like "first time Rooivalk did" If you build your copter 40-50 years after operational rotor craft invention and already producing your "engineering marvel" with foreign components. You are dependant of foreign produced critical subsystems (I think better subsystem versions are developed) to make it fly but claiming "the best and first copter doing it" like things. That's what my mind doesn't buy such things. A unmeaningfull subject to discuss...

pavri:


I don't care which foreign components you are using on Rooivalk. What I am talking is some needless and childless claims regarding your copter. There is not a thing like "first time Rooivalk did" If you build your copter 40-50 years after operational rotor craft invention and already producing your "engineering marvel" with foreign components. You are dependant of foreign produced critical subsystems (I think better subsystem versions are developed) to make it fly but claiming "the best and first copter doing it" like things. That's what my mind doesn't buy such things. A unmeaningfull subject to discuss but I advice you to put your nationalistic feelings aside and objectively compare maneuvrability, reaction of aerodynamic fuselage of your "engineering marvel" with heavier Apache to realize what I am talking.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzKYogDjagw