patches689:


Weapons are not judged by sales

ikri is completely south african

Did South Africa build the engine?
.

jln115:

Ok so what your saying because it has a foreign engine thus its not a South African design? Do you see the irony in your post? To be honest I couldn't care less what the US has upgraded and what experience they have in what so ever field. And im not claiming anything the FACT still remains that the Rooivalk was the only helicopter in the world able to preform a backflip when it first came out, regardless if it had foreign Engine and Rotor component. Imagine an Apache with a Black hawk engine and Rotor blades yet still had the same performance! This basically what the Rooivalk is, it has basically the same engine and rotor blades as the Oryx yet it has exceptional performance statistics, its a engineering marvel!

There is nothing South-African about that Half-French Helicopter. The only south-african contribution is welding it steels. That Helicopter same as the Super-Puma SAAF flies, is a french helicopter.

jln115:

1. No, your not receiving any JF-17s
2 Nope, no examples were ever sent to Nigeria
3 Jap ,just like all the weapon systems you claim Nigeria will receive.
4 South Africa evaluated the F35, no firm decision has been reached.
5 Your not receiving the T129, just like you haven't received any of the other weapon systems you claimed Nigeria will be getting.

Nobody claimed anything.

agaugust:


Did South Africa build the engine?
.

Did Nigeria build the igirigi's engine?

MikeCZAR:
Air power alone won't complete the job.

Even if allied forces deployed thousands of helicopters or thousands COIN aircraft.

Not according to patches.


COIN aircrafts and Helicopters would do the job. This is a fact.

Henry120:


There is nothing South-African about that Half-French Helicopter. The only south-african contribution is welding it steels. That Helicopter same as the Super-Puma SAAF flies, is a french helicopter.

And in that case, there is nothing Nigerian in the Igirigi, oh and BTW we don't fly any Super Pumas.

Henry120:


Nobody claimed anything.

Actually Augustine claimed a lot of things, including that air is more dense at higher altitude!!!!

pavri:


I don't care which foreign components you are using on Rooivalk. What I am talking is some needless and childless claims regarding your copter. There is not a thing like "first time Rooivalk did" If you build your copter 40-50 years after operational rotor craft invention and already producing your "engineering marvel" with foreign components. You are dependant of foreign produced critical subsystems (I think better subsystem versions are developed) to make it fly but claiming "the best and first copter doing it" like things. That's what my mind doesn't buy such things. A unmeaningfull subject to discuss

Welcome to the delusional world of delusional South-Africans!!!

Henry120:


Welcome to the delusional world of delusional South-Africans!!!

WOW!!! the irony in this post!!

MikeCZAR:
Not Nigerian.


anyway have you seen Gripen NG's cockpit?

Not South African.


Yes i have. The one with an impractical 53'inch LED in it's cockpit. I don't like it.

jln115:

"compare maneuvrability, reaction of aerodynamic fuselage of your "engineering marvel" with heavier Apache to realize what I am talking"

Just before I do i just want to say: not once did I say the Rooivalk was better than the Apache, all I said was that the earlier Apache models like the AH-64A which had different engine and rotor components than the modern Apaches weren't able to perform backflips:

Anyway here are a few technical specifications of the Rooivalk and Apache:


Rooivalk:

•Maximum take-off mass 8 750 kg
•Max. Speed (VNE) 167 KTAS
•Fast Cruise speed 150 KTAS
•Max. Sideways speed 50 KTAS
•Max. Rate of climb (twin-engine operation) 2 620 ft/min
•Max. Rate of climb (single-engine operation) 1 128 ft/min
•Max. Range (internal fuel) 700 km
•Max. Range (external fuel) 1 260 km (45 min reserve)
•Max. Hover ceiling (OGE) 16 500 ft
•Max. Hover ceiling (IGE) 18 200 ft
•Vibration Level (4/Rev 100 KCAS) 0.021 g

Apache AH-64D(Newest version currently in service with the US)

AH-64D
Length 58.17 ft (17.73 m) 58.17 ft (17.73 m)
Height 15.24 ft (4.64 m) 13.30 ft (4.05 m)
Wing Span 17.15 ft (5.227 m) 17.15 ft (5.227 m)
Primary Mission Gross Weight 15,075 lb (6838 kg)
11,800 pounds Empty 16,027 lb (7270 kg) Lot 1 Weight

Hover In-Ground Effect(IGE) 14,650 ft (4465 m)
Hover Out-of-Ground Effect(OGE) 10,520 ft (3206 m)
Vertical Rate of Climb 1,775 fpm (541 mpm)
Maximum Rate of Climb 2,635 fpm (803 mpm)
Maximum Level Flight Speed 149 kt (276 kph)
Cruise Speed 149 kt (276 kph)
Range: 400 km - internal fuel ,1,900 km - internal and external fuel

As you can see, The Rooivalk is better in basically every aspect when it comes to technical specifications, The Apache is obviously more advanced when one compares the Software of the 2 helos, but that will all change if the Rooivalk MK2 is brought back into production!

http://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/ah-64.htm
http://www.aircraft.co.za/Encyclopedia/D/459.php

South-Africans and day dreaming. You need 70-100 orders to restart the Rooivalk production line........ are you planning on manufacturing orders from thin air for that obsolete relic?

The French are also not available to update the Rooivalk for you.


Yes, you South-Africans have claimed on many occasions that the Half-french is better than the Apache.

jln115:

Actually Augustine claimed a lot of things, including that air is more dense at higher altitude!!!!

He didn't claim anything without the proper verifications to back up his claims.

Henry120:


Not South African.


Yes i have. The one with an impractical 53'inch LED in it's cockpit. I don't like it.

Impractical? Have you ever flown the Gripen NG? If your answer is No, then you are in no why or form qualified to say if its impractical or not!

jln115:

And in that case, there is nothing Nigerian in the Igirigi, oh and BTW we don't fly any Super Pumas.

You fly the Super-Puma.

The Igirigi is based on the Ford F550 driveline, yes, it is based on an American chassis.

Henry120:


He didn't claim anything without the proper verifications to back up his claims.

Were was his verifications for the T80s, Super Tucano's, Bofors Archer, ect ect ect

jln115:

Impractical? Have you ever flown the Gripen NG? If your answer is No, then you are in no why or form qualified to say if its impractical or not!

Do you have any proof to show i haven't flown the Gripen NG?

Henry120:


You fly the Super-Puma.

The Igirigi is based on the Ford F550 driveline, yes, it is based on an American chassis.

1Nope we fly the Oryx, its shorter and has better performance than the Super-Puma

2.So are you admitting the Igrigi isn't Nigerian?

jln115:

Were was his verifications for the T80s, Super Tucano's, Bofors Archer, ect ect ect

T80's, Ukrainian source/ beegeagle's blog.

Tucanos, Beegeagle's blog, Defenceweb, DefenceIQ, Janes, Defencenews

Bofor's archer was an error since corrected.

Henry120:


Do you have any proof to show i haven't flown the Gripen NG?

Do you have proof, that you have flown the Gripen NG?

jln115:

1Nope we fly the Oryx, its shorter and has better performance than the Super-Puma

2.So are you admitting the Igrigi isn't Nigerian?

1. You fly the Super puma. You retired the baseline Puma for the Super Puma.

2. The Igirigi is a Nigerian LAV.

Henry120:


T80's, Ukrainian source/ beegeagle's blog.

Tucanos, Beegeagle's blog, Defenceweb, DefenceIQ, Janes, Defencenews

Bofor's archer was an error since corrected.

1. Your Ukrainian source never stated to which country the T80s were being shipped to, and a Blog isn't a source

2. Agaugust claimed that Nigeria will receive the Super Tucano, yet about 20min ago you said it has been dropped
3. Yes, a mistake as usual!

jln115:

Do you have proof, that you have flown the Gripen NG?

Yes

My POV from my Gripen flight.

Henry120:


1. You fly the Super puma. You retired the baseline Puma for the Super Puma.

2. The Igirigi is a Nigerian LAV.

1. Nope we fly the Oryx, as you very well know
2. The Rooivalk is a South African AH

jln115:

1. Your Ukrainian source never stated to which country the T80s were being shipped to, and a Blog isn't a source

2. Agaugust claimed that Nigeria will receive the Super Tucano, yet about 20min ago you said it has been dropped
3. Yes, a mistake as usual!

1. Google up the Ukrainian source again.

2. Nigeria ordered up 40+ Helicopters and CH-3A UCAV's, hence no practical need for Tucano.

3. A mistake duly corrected.

Henry120:


Yes

My POV from my Gripen flight.

Cool Bro but that's not the Gripen NGs cockpit!

Henry120:


1. Google up the Ukrainian source again.

2. Nigeria ordered up 40+ Helicopters and CH-3A UCAV's, hence no practical need for Tucano.

3. A mistake duly corrected.

1. I have.
2. Yet Agaugust claimed that NAF WILL receive the Super Tucano
3 Ja Ja what ever bro!

jln115:

1. Nope we fly the Oryx, as you very well know
2. The Rooivalk is a South African AH

1. Nope, i very well know that you fly the Super-Puma.

2. The Rooivalk is a french Helicopter. Designed using existing French Helicopter designs, french expertise, French components/ sub-components and French engines.


It is a french Helicopter built in South-Africa for the Apartheid government.

jln115:

Cool Bro but that's not the Gripen NGs cockpit!

It's a Gripen's cockpit. Read properly.

jln115:

1. I have.
2. Yet Agaugust claimed that NAF WILL receive the Super Tucano
3 Ja Ja what ever bro!

If you actually did, you won't be making this comment.

2. Evaluated and dropped.

3. Typical South-African goon.

Henry120:


1. Nope, i very well know that you fly the Super-Puma.

2. The Rooivalk is a french Helicopter. Designed using existing French Helicopter designs, french expertise, French components/ sub-components and French engines.


It is a french Helicopter built in South-Africa for the Apartheid government.

1. Ok bro why don't you show me a Pic of a SAAF Super-Puma
2 Ok the Igirigi is a US LAV build in Nigeria

jln115:

1. Ok bro why don't you show me a Pic of a SAAF Super-Puma
2 Ok the Igirigi is a US Lav build in Nigeria

1. I've posted over 200 of them.

2. A Nigerian LAV built on a U.S chassis.

Henry120:


If you actually did, you won't be making this comment.

2. Evaluated and dropped.

3. Typical South-African goon.

1. Uhm never in your Ukrainian source did it state that Nigeria will receive the T80s
2. You can say it as much as you want, but Agaugust said NAF WILL receive the Tucano's
3 Well at least im a South African goon, and not a Nigerian one.