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Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by robosky02(m): 11:54pm On May 27, 2015 |
safarigirl: that ws really a compensation not his skill |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:00am On May 28, 2015 |
safarigirl: There are different criterias. Unfortunately we are not opportuned to have statistical figures to explain it. Most times, pass completed and assists play a major role. If you can cap it up with a goal, you take the day. Nigeria '99 Seydou Keita had all the stats to prove it and his free kick goal in the third place game of the tourney earned him it. Yeboah might had the pass rate in accuracy and completed passes but his brace in the third place put him ahead of the pack. If Nwobodo who was our pass master had scored even a goal in the final, I believe he would have win it. 1 Like |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:03am On May 28, 2015 |
robosky02: I disagree unless you have the stats to prove it. Stats like completed dribbles and passing accuracy. Any other thing is make up. What matters is that the committee set up picked him as the best player. That shows he was the best. I wish we could dig up stats. 1 Like |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by TheSuperNerd(m): 12:05am On May 28, 2015 |
TheGoodJoe: Hey uhm... Yeboah is a great lad aiit... But truth be told... AWO WAS ROBBED OF THE AYC MVP. I guess Caf didnt want Nigeria carting home all the awards... |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by safarigirl(f): 12:06am On May 28, 2015 |
robosky02:THANK YOU! My thoughts exactly. Cuz I checked the tables that time and Sidy Sarr had more goals and assists than Yaw, Awoniyi too. The MVP should have been one of Awoniyi, Sarr or even Wadji If the criteria was pass accuracy, how come Mikel didn't win MVP at AFCON'13? Kelechi won U17 MVP based on goals and assists. Yaw had neither compared to Sarr and even Awoniyi. |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by kannymoore(m): 12:07am On May 28, 2015 |
TheSuperNerd: Iheanacho is not the most gifted baller in that squad... Moses Simon is! Again..i repeat... Moses Simon is the Best and most technically astute baller in that team! Go through his season stats and highlights on youtube if you still nurse doubts! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by TheSuperNerd(m): 12:14am On May 28, 2015 |
kannymoore: Done that already Sir... I follow the dude. HE'S GREAT!!! But I still give that title to Nacho... Maybe u nid to watch Nacho 'again' if u harbor doubts... *smiles* 1 Like |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by tbaba1234: 12:24am On May 28, 2015 |
TheGoodJoe: Right now, Success is playing a higher level of competition than the EDS... Not every EDS kid will play top flight. Success already is. When safarigirl talks about his lack of goals in La liga, we have to remember, this is his first season in the top flight. Even established stars struggle in their first season at a new club. Iheanacho is a spectacular player but he is still playing at a lower level. Playing against top class experienced defenders is not easy. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:24am On May 28, 2015 |
TheSuperNerd: [b]Why was he robbed? Because Awoniyi got two man of the match awards? It does not work like that. Look at today's match, Bacca will get the praise for all the goals he scored. But, was he the most valueable player? Take out Banega and watch that team crumble. If you get the stats and see Banega's pass completion, you will see no other player did that like him. When you go to completed dribbles, it was Konoplianka. Awoniyi scored goals but his overall performance was not above players like Nwobodo. Look at Mikel at 2005 WYC. He was by far the best player of the tournament but he did not score a goal. That is why Messi took it. It takes more than just goals. Look at Messi and Spain with Xavi in form. They were untouchable as soon as Xavi lost form, Messi and Spain detoriated. Today Messi gets the praise but the true hero for Barca in the Champions league is Rakitic. It is not a coincidence he was part of the Sevilla Europa league winning team and is in the Champions league finals. Players like Pirlo gets overlooked because of lack of goals. If they score, they get the award. I think that is what happened with Yeboah but we need stats before writing him off. The WYC will show more. Man City did not bring him to the campus by chance. That was done before the AYC.[/b] 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:27am On May 28, 2015 |
tbaba1234: When Messi was in the academy of Barcelona, many knew he was outstanding, even better than many in the main squad of Barcelona. Does it mean because Messi was in team B of Barca, a crap player in a club like Valladolid was better than Messi then? |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:31am On May 28, 2015 |
Top Flight, Top Flight. Bring Success to Man City and let us see him play top flight. Nacho is battling World Class Super stars like Aguero, Dzeko, Bony, Jovetic, Silva and Nasri for shirt. Let Success come and let us see top flight. Put Nacho in Granada and he will be their star player. tbaba1234: 1 Like |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by tbaba1234: 12:33am On May 28, 2015 |
TheGoodJoe: I remind you of a kid, Auturo Lupoli, Lupoli was scoring for fun at the academy level, could not replicate that at senior level. Even Carlos Vela.... Look at their potential as kids and the eventual level they played at... They were supposed to be considered top stars... Shining for an academy is completely different from when you meet the senior men... For now, Success is playing at a far higher level than Iheanacho. 1 Like |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by tbaba1234: 12:36am On May 28, 2015 |
TheGoodJoe: You are making projections, there is no doubt about Iheanacho's potential but that is all it is for now, potential... The experience of one season is invaluable. |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by TheSuperNerd(m): 12:40am On May 28, 2015 |
TheGoodJoe:Taiwo Awoniyi: Two man of the match awards... 3gls... 2assists... Contributed to team play with his fine workrate and a nice focal point in attack... Yaw Yeboah: 2gls... One man of the match award... Contributed to team play What else? Passing accuracy... U forget dat Matthew(2gls and 2 or 3assists) excelled here. Same with Idowu. Also, Mikel did score a goal at holland 2005. A penalty goal in our 3-0 win over d swiss in our last grp game |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:46am On May 28, 2015 |
TheSuperNerd: Penalty does not count for Mikel. We are talking scoring a goal in open play. Like Seydou Keita's free kick that beat Carini of Uruguay. As I said, bring pass completed and completed dribbles. Let us see. Until you bring that, you can not judge. If Yeboah has any of these high and with a brace in the third place, he takes it. |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:49am On May 28, 2015 |
tbaba1234: Are you saying every top attacker playing in top flight is better than Nacho? I pointed Dennis Suarez. He was EDS last season. This season an important player for Sevilla. |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:52am On May 28, 2015 |
tbaba1234: How did Vela come into your list. He is a star of the La Liga, the best player of Real Sociedad. Success is facing an easier challenge. Success is coming to camp. Let me see him excite the camp as Nacho did in New Zealand. |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by tbaba1234: 12:54am On May 28, 2015 |
TheGoodJoe: No, I am saying they are playing at a much higher level than Nacho so they can not be compared.. If success was playing with his mates, He will probably be scoring a lot more goals. We saw his record at under 17.. Playing with John Terry or koscielny is completely different from playing academy level CB. At this point, Success is already in that state of his development. |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by tbaba1234: 12:58am On May 28, 2015 |
TheGoodJoe: Check out Vela's clips as a kid and you would have concluded that he should have ended at the very top.. Madrid, Barca, Bayern etc. Success is a new kid from Africa in his first season abroad in the top flight. It is far from easy. Give him a couple of seasons, 1 Like |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:06am On May 28, 2015 |
tbaba1234: Vela's career is not over. We forgot Banega but we just watched him give an amazing performance last season. Vela takes his chances. He did not get his chance at Arsenal clubs came for him but he wants to establish himself. Either way a La Liga star player is good enough for Vela. Mind you, I watched all his games in the U17 with Dos Santos when they win it. I do not need YouTube for Vela. Remember he scored four goals in a game last season. I am not saying Success does not have World Class ability but as a striker, I do not see him outclassing Nacho. |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:10am On May 28, 2015 |
tbaba1234: Being opportuned to play at a higher level because of less competition does not make you better. Remember Sturridge at Chelsea. He went to Bolton and walked into their first team. Were the other players at Bolton better because they were in top flight and Sturridge in Chelsea reserves? |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by tbaba1234: 1:20am On May 28, 2015 |
TheGoodJoe: Playing constantly at that level made sturridge. He would not reach the level, he is now, playing academy football. Again, I never said better but that there is no basis for comparison. Sturridge development is from playin at the top level even if it is bolton. Right now, Success is on the first ladder. Iheanacho is yet to begin. |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by TheGoodJoe(m): 1:23am On May 28, 2015 |
tbaba1234: Sturridge was in Chelsea reserves. Bolton had strikers playing at the top level. Owen Coyle signed Sturridge on loan and he immediately became the star player of Bolton. Sturridge's development before Bolton was in the Reserves of Chelsea and Man City but he was better than players playing top flight football at Bolton in the English Premier League. |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by tbaba1234: 1:24am On May 28, 2015 |
TheGoodJoe: We can't really project but personally I think Iheanacho might end up a better player because of his intelligence but you never know... You can't predict youth football. For now, Success is ahead in that development |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by Leon2036(m): 1:25am On May 28, 2015 |
If. He was right? Now he is not with them, he is. With Granada playing in one of the best leagues in the world against the 2 best players the world has ever seen, until kelechi plays for a senior team, success is still rated above. Him TheGoodJoe: 1 Like |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by safarigirl(f): 1:25am On May 28, 2015 |
tbaba1234:which top class, experienced defenders abeg? Is it nit Team B Success played with? Is every team in La Liga top class? Surely there must be other shitty teams like Granada. How many goals did Success score against those shitty teams? You're talking as if Iheanacho hasn't played top teams. He played Liverpool and Atletico in pre-season and shone in the midst of the likes of Yaya Toure. Every City fan thinks that kid is better than Dzeko, yet y'all want to rate Success ahead of him. Who is Success abeg? Why do we like making excuses and living on past glory? Dude, play Kelechi against Barcelona in a Granada team and he'll leave the slowpokes behind and single-handedly give Ramos and Pique the Boateng treatment. The boy is dogged. Nobody can stop him. He has a confidence and poise that belies his age. Success lacks that confidence. I am still waiting for clips of Success as at 2014 till now. Na so we go dey here dey make excuses for the bros |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by tbaba1234: 1:26am On May 28, 2015 |
TheGoodJoe: And he took the next step in Bolton... You can't reach the next level without top flight football... Remember what Arsenal did with wilshere, after his loan spell at Bolton he improved tremendously. The top flight football is vital for improvement 1 Like |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by safarigirl(f): 1:31am On May 28, 2015 |
TheGoodJoe:thank you. Iheanacho would bench Success in Granada. Imagine trying to break into a team with arguably the best strikers in EPL....not just trying, but more or less certain to, and dem wan dey yarn Granada that probably can't win the AYC Flying Eagles. We shall see the impact of top flight football in La Liga vs. Academy football. By the time KC is through, La Liga will look like the Nigerian Second Division 2 Likes |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by Leon2036(m): 1:33am On May 28, 2015 |
I don't need to go to those lent to prove my point, Fran merida was once a classic player with do youth team, same as bojan, I'm not arguing with u on whoz better and who is not,I'm only telling you to state the fact where it needs. Be stated, for success would definately be rated ahead nacho, same as. Simon moses not until nacho gets to that stage where he shows the world that he ready to take them by storm safarigirl: |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by Leon2036(m): 1:41am On May 28, 2015 |
Bros bojan was in class of his own, during his time, buh what happened later on? Ever heard of sergio araujo the young man tipped to be the next aguero 2day where is he? Oko Stanley was the most rated in the u17 class of 2009 buh between him and onazi who didn't even get upto two games whoz career is better of now? She is just sentimental that's all I still can't find the reason why she dislikes the young man though TheSuperNerd: 1 Like |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by safarigirl(f): 1:42am On May 28, 2015 |
tbaba1234:Iheanacho was scoring goals andd making assists at pre-season before eentering the EDS. He was playing against 'top flight' opponents. The call for a first team shirt started long before EDS. It was his pre-season form that prompted the 'special talent' case, not EDS. In fact his EDS exploits only began after he returned from injury in stunning form. Before that, he was making Toure look washed up and is still making Dzeko look like shiiit That Isaac went to an average club and got loaned out to a shitty club (cuz he didn't give the average club a reason to keep him) which makes him look like Messi does not make him better than KC in a top club who is about to achieve what Pogba dreams of 1 Like |
Re: Flying Eagles of Nigeria Thread: U-20 World Cup (New Zealand 2015) by Leon2036(m): 1:44am On May 28, 2015 |
Bros. Wa sare jor!! I think you can understand what I'm trying to explain, tbaba1234: |
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