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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:36am On May 28, 2015 |
Henry120: The Hind M has no NOE capabilities That Hind is taking off. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:39am On May 28, 2015 |
agaugust: Augustus Why are you avoiding the majority of the capabilities of the Rooivalk? Rooivalk Specifications: Thales TopOwl Helmets - A Thales Avionics TopOwl helmet-mounted sight display (HMSD) provides the crew with a head-up display of information for nap-of-the-earth flight (NOE). - TopOwl incorporates an integrated measurement system for directing an articulated weapon such as the cannon, or air-to-air missile seeker heads (look to kill capabilities). Electronic Warfare - Rooivalk's electronic warfare suite is the fully integrated helicopter electronic warfare self-protection suite (HEWSPS) - incorporates: radar warning, laser warning and countermeasures dispensing system. - The system is flight-line programmable and in-flight adaptable to match the threat library with the mission's area of operation. -radar warner features low-effective radiated power (ERP) / pulse Doppler radar detection beyond radar detection range, ultra broadband frequency coverage, high pulse density handling and internal instantaneous frequency measurement. - laser warner provides broadband laser frequency coverage to detect and display rangefinding, designating and missile guidance laser threats. - the countermeasures dispensing system, which is operated in manual, semi-automatic or fully automatic mode, is charged with chaff and flare cartridges. TDATS (Target detection, acquisition and tracking) - The TDATS sight is equipped with a low-level television sensor - Forward-looking infrared (FLIR) - autotracker - laser rangefinder -laser designator. Navigation - Doppler radar velocity sensor - Thales Avionics eight-channel global positioning system - heading sensor unit and an air data unit. Communication - two VHF/UHF transceivers with FM, AM with digital speech processing - one HF radio with frequency hopping - secure voice and data channels - and an IFF transponder. http://www.army-technology.com/projects/rooivalk/ [size=20pt]Now your job is simple: 1. Show which of these capabilities existed 30 years ago 2. Show which of these capabilities your Hind has. [/size] |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:41am On May 28, 2015 |
agaugust: Augustus It is a lightly armed support vessel Manually operated 20mm and 12,7mm are of practically no use against jet fighters Again, well done on scaring off a lightly armed supply vessel - a military cargo ship - you must feel really brave ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:43am On May 28, 2015 |
agaugust: The Egyptian Government has signed an agreement with Germany for the procurement of two Howaldtswerke-Deutche Werft (HDW)-built SSK Manthatisi-class Type-209 submarines http://www.naval-technology.com/news/newsgermany-deliver-two-type-209-submarines-egypt Manthatisi class is the class of Type 209 operated by the SAN named after the lead vessel - THE MANTHATISI http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/sskmanthatisi/ South African version of Type 209 is so impressive that even mighty Egypt wants them!! FYI: No anti-ship missiles on them |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:45am On May 28, 2015 |
agaugust: 1. That is a hind taking off 1a. Hind M does not have NOE capabilities 2. List Hind M capabilities for comparison to Rooivalk 3. NOE on Rooivalk is not fake - do you wish to see video footage of Rooivalk NOE capabilities? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:45am On May 28, 2015 |
agaugust: You are obsessed with it. Fact |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:47am On May 28, 2015 |
agaugust: So you completely avoided responding? You running away from comparing what the Nigerian navy has aquired in the same period of time?? Egyptian subs have no harpoons - AND ARE BASED ON OURS Kilo is inferior to Type 209 - Russian diesel subs are notoriously bad So much so that Korea and New Zealand turned down FREE ones from Russia |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:48am On May 28, 2015 |
agaugust: Rotor blades from a helicopter allways provide downwards thrust you jackass. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 2:48am On May 28, 2015 |
EVarn: And yet project Biro continues as planned |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 7:31am On May 28, 2015 |
patches689:Indeed,and it would 'continue' for another 30 years with nothing to show for it,'as planned' of course . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 8:07am On May 28, 2015 |
patches689:We feel a great deal of pity for you South-Africans. Flying an obsolete Helicopter, your government cannot afford and has been roundly rejected!! "Denel COO Jan Wessels outlined the company's thinking to IHS Jane's , saying the process is taking the form of a "two-pronged approach". The first is focused on the "life extension of the existing Rooivalk Block 1F fleet, dealing with obsolescence and adding some functionalities". Denel, Armscor and the South African Air Force (SAAF) are working to "establish the breadth and depth of the upgrade" that should be undertaken. While not yet confirmed, this has to include the replacement of old computers. It would also make sense to integrate the Denel Dynamics Mokopa semi-active laser (SAL)-guided missile, which was developed for the Rooivalk, but has not been acquired by the SAAF as yet." Even IHS Janes confirms the Half-french obsolete Helicopter flies Old/ancient computers. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 9:01am On May 28, 2015 |
EVarn: And yet the tenders close on june 30 And Project Biro has already achieved allot 3 Strike Craft were converted into OPV's while Durban Naval Station is in the process of being upgraded into a fully fledged Naval Base - all under the Project. Finally, Project Biro is no-where near as old as you are suggesting. I see that the SAN's foul swoop to aquire an entirely new Naval task force of 4 Frigates, 3 Sub's, 3 Frigate Sized OPV's and 3 IPV's (which can perform de-mining duties) in less than 20 years is causing allot of Nigerian tears. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 10:54am On May 28, 2015 |
Henry120: Henry120 I am not even going to comment on that artical, how it is open to interpretation, how you misquoted it, or the numerous inconsistencies in it. Why? Because it is all irrelevant. It doesnt matter if the Rooivalk was steam powered and its computers were stone abacuses. All that matters is this: 1. The Rooivalk has not only more capabilities, but more advanced capabilities, than your Hind 2. The Rooivalk is a wholly indigenous design and development, unlike your Hind. Thats it, Rooivalk is being upgraded because WE IN SOUTH AFRICA want a platform that is on par with the likes of the Apache, Tiger and Z-10. If WE IN SOUTH AFRICA were only concerned with something that was on the same level as your Hind, it would never be upgraded, and would have been developed in half the time. Lets not even mention the cognitive dissonance you display in calling the Rooivalk "obsolete" when your own country operates the Hind. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 11:00am On May 28, 2015 |
patches689:Yeah,tenders as usual,tenders that would see neither contract nor implementation. HEADLINES 2O50: DAILY NEWS: SOUTH AFRICAN MARITIME DEFENCE INDUSTRIES SUBMIT TENDERS FOR NEWLY RESUSCICATED PROJECT BIRO . HEADLINES 2070: DAILY NEWS: RISE,FALL AND RISE AGAIN OF PROJECT BIRO,SOUTH AFRICAN MARITIME DEFENCE INDUSTRIES SCRAMBLE TO SUBMIT NEW TENDERS . HEADLINES 2090: DAILY NEWS: "PROJECT BIRO TO REOPEN BID THIS SUMMER",SOUTH ARICA'S DEFENCE MINISTER CLAIMS . HEADLINES 2120: DAILY NEWS: AFTER 120 YEARS AND NUMEROUS BIDDING PROCESSES,PROJECT BIRO AWAITS FULL ACCREDITATION BEFORE YULETIDE . WORLD HEADLINES 2150: 'PROJECT BIRO' CELEBRATES 150 YEARS AS SOUTH AFRICAN GOVERNMENT KICKSTART FRESH BIDDING PROCESS . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 11:03am On May 28, 2015 |
EVarn: Dude, dont you have something better to do with your time? I am all for actual debate about military equipment But such pointless arguments? SAN has said it is getting them, tenders (and funds) have been released for the task and a Naval Base has been built for them to operate from, while the SAN has allready put plans in place to hire the extra 600 sailors who will crew them. It is obvious that Biro is going to be completed on schedule. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 11:13am On May 28, 2015 |
patches689:We shall see then. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 11:31am On May 28, 2015 |
EVarn: Indeed we shall Tenders close June 30 I expect we shall have an announcement within a month or two of that. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lionel4power(m): 11:50am On May 28, 2015 |
EVarn:whoa you eat south africans for breakfast. Lemme get my 3D glass and watch dis movie hehehehe |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lionel4power(m): 11:52am On May 28, 2015 |
patches689:same thing your government said 23 yrs ago 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lionel4power(m): 12:09pm On May 28, 2015 |
patches689:the hind is a attack heli/gunship while the rooivalk mixture of puma>super puma>oryx>alouette iii>alpha xh-1>obsolete roolvalk 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by DieVluit: 12:27pm On May 28, 2015 |
lionel4power: Has Nigeria built a heli? Can Nigeria build a heli? Ok, next. 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:08pm On May 28, 2015 |
lionel4power: Project Biro was only activated after the frigates and subs were aquired stop talking out your arse |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by patches689: 1:09pm On May 28, 2015 |
lionel4power: And yet in reality The hind is not a dedicated attack helicopter And the Rooivalk is |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 1:58pm On May 28, 2015 |
patches689: LOL....LOL...LOL, the ranges are in nautical miles not miles you M0RON.....this guy knows next to nothing about warships ! Now lets see your next goofy goof below, Olodo man : Nigeria does NOT use Type 056 OPV.....we have P18N OPV.....Show me a source that says Nigeria uses Type 056. Type 056 frigate = 1,300 tons P18N OPV = 1,800 tons Now show us a citation for the range of P18N OPV.....show us citation for the 2,000 nautical miles range. LOL....you have trapped yourself....LOL.....show us P18N range . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lionel4power(m): 2:02pm On May 28, 2015 |
DieVluit:dude SA did nt build anytin. They copied the super puma. Most of the rooivalk systems is a direct copy of the super puma. Meanwhile Nigeria built igirigi, proforce pf1, amebo drone, gulma drone, andonni opv, bomb disposal AI ROBOT all from scratch. All SA does is to reverse engr. Like china 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:03pm On May 28, 2015 |
patches689: Yes, it's a 450 ton MPV with long range to patrol only near home close to South African coast, it is too small a boat to do OPV work or else high sea storm will sink it with high waves, or the high seas turbulence will make your sailors so sea-sick they will vomit out their intestines. So, your 4,000 nm range will be used to perambulate around homeland waters while pirates are busy in the high seas robbing and ruling. Now we see a 450 ton SAN patrol boat that could not dare go to Mozambique channel.....ZERO force projection.....reason for struggling to revive project biro. Enjoy your 4,000 nm range patrol boat sailing round and round in circles only near home land coast Cape Town . LOL. Toy boat . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:05pm On May 28, 2015 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:06pm On May 28, 2015 |
patches689: In service 2015? Citation needed . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:07pm On May 28, 2015 |
patches689: Bwhahaha....fear kills Patches.....CITATION NEEDED NOW ! . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:09pm On May 28, 2015 |
patches689: Manually operated? On a modern warship? Citation needed . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lionel4power(m): 2:10pm On May 28, 2015 |
patches689:mr dedicate AH name one mission that a dedicated AH can do that an AH cannot do. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:10pm On May 28, 2015 |
patches689: [size=20pt] OMG, this Patches guy is hilarious? What is new on that list? 99% of all that stuff has been existing on aircraft about 30 years ago.... VHF and UHF transmission, old school Doppler Radar, FLIR, AM and FM radio....what? What da fvck are you writing on that shiity long list ? FVCK . LOL.....Fvck ! You have a long garbage list you think will deceive people here? FAIL ! The only modern thing is Top Owl Helmet sight and that is used for the NOE flight.....it failed, the Rooivalk crashed in broad daylight, the sights failed to sight anything o ! FAIL ! Rooivalk is obsolete 30 years technology .[/size] |
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