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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 1:58am On May 28, 2015 |
elampiro: Did SAF write the article? Rooney have always played alongside another striker in 4 4 2 formation. Man Utd hardly play 4 4 1 1 formation. The facts are there on whoscored site. They keep records of how each team plays seasons in seasons out. I can't rely on articles written by some journo when there are site that gathers these facts every season. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Danhumprey: 6:26am On May 28, 2015 |
AirborneLacer:That Dante rumour is fake! It has got to be the worst lie from the pit of hell! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by homesteady(m): 8:15am On May 28, 2015 |
Since Man Utd want to buy all the wingers in the world, I suggest they also buy Dnipro Konoplyanka! He is very good! |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by parrotibaba(m): 9:06am On May 28, 2015 |
Pawa I thought u said b4 dat Rooney was played in d wing almost his united career ,now na attacking midfield
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 9:50am On May 28, 2015 |
elampiro: Unless you're talking about a 4-4-1-1 formation, which of course, is a simple variation of the 4-4-2. A 4-4-2 flat has got nothing like a hole in it. A hole can only be created when one of the strikers drops deep to create a link between the midfield and attack, in that case, you wouldn't say it's a 4-4-2 anymore. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by Nobody: 9:52am On May 28, 2015 |
Danhumprey: It better be. Joseph Yobo in his current state is way better than that slowpoke |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:16am On May 28, 2015 |
AirborneLacer: Exactly. Rooney behind a striker or another striker is not 4-4-2 flat. It's 4-4-1-1 or 4-5-1 or 4-2-3-1. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:24am On May 28, 2015 |
parrotibaba: When did I say this? I said he played in the number 10 behind a striker. His first season he was used in the wing moslty. After his first season he played off Nistelrooy, Saha, Tevez, Chicha, Welbeck in the hole, predominantly, but occasionally in the wing, striking top 9 and central midfield. My name is not pawa. Note that. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:40am On May 28, 2015 |
tess1: I have told you what SAF and Rooney said verbatim, but you chose to believe your imagination. I have actually been avoiding bringing articles written by pundits, I stuck with what the coach and players said. Even you agreed at least to a supposrt striker which is still number 10 in association football. Now I even have seen an article written by ANDY COLE. He says Ferguson switched his system from 4-4-2 to 4-5-1 in 2001. He said the idea was to make United have more possession and create more chances for the lone striker. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by parrotibaba(m): 10:42am On May 28, 2015 |
elampiro:@elampiro were u not d guy dat said dis...
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:47am On May 28, 2015 |
This was the reason for Nistelrooy. To switch the sytem from 2 strikers to 1. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by parrotibaba(m): 10:53am On May 28, 2015 |
elampiro:I added another screenshot ,and please u never said dis when we were arguing dat time ,I remember telling u dat Rooney was used mainly as an ss n was rarely played on d wings |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:53am On May 28, 2015 |
parrotibaba: I guess you missed the build up. I said he played mostly as a winger in his first season. Also when SAF deployed the 4-3-3 with Ronaldo and Roonay flanking Tevez in a fluid front used in difficult away games. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:00am On May 28, 2015 |
parrotibaba: That is a reposne to another person na. U don't follow this argumet with details. The other article you brought up . I said 'Rooney had a run of games in the wing in 2011'. How is this tantamount to having most games in the wing? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by parrotibaba(m): 11:00am On May 28, 2015 |
elampiro:which buildup? u told both me n coogar dat Rooney was a winger for united for many matches dat it was only in 2009/2010 dat he was used as a striker ...no be dis year we argue dis thing? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by parrotibaba(m): 11:02am On May 28, 2015 |
elampiro:dat other person is me n we argued at length |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:19am On May 28, 2015 |
parrotibaba: This is true. Rooney was a winger for United in many matches. In fluid three of Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez. In run of games in 2011. Even in 2012/13 like he played in Madrid, in a certain game in 2012/2013 he played in the wing and won MOTM with two only goals. This season he played in right wing in the return leg against Cambridge. His first season he was marjorly in the wing. In UCL fixture in Rome he was in the wing and CRZ in the top 9. This is like saying Valencia is a winger but he has had many games in right back. Or Fabregas is a C.midieder but he has had many games as a striker and number 10. However, that post I mentiond Andy Cole and Nistelrooy you responded to was not for you. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 11:24am On May 28, 2015 |
elampiro: so when did rooney play in the central midfield in 2012/13? we had anderson, cleverley, kagawa, giggs, carrick, fletcher, jones, scholes, etc in the central midfield. your inconsistency in your argument is shocking |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:32am On May 28, 2015 |
coogar: Yes. He played against Stoke, West Ham, Villa and others in the wing while Kagawa took more advanced role. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by weedtaker: 11:33am On May 28, 2015 |
In the last 2 UCL seasons he's the most productive(goals+assist) player (behind ronaldo and messi), in the last 3 la liga seasons he's the 3rd best goal provider (behind messi and koke), he has scored all the current la liga teams (only messi nd ronaldo hav done dat) he has scored 20+ goals in 5 consecutive seasons and he's not even the team's point man. Coogar nd co... Abeg make una bring me stats wey make Karim mostafa Benzema "USELESS" |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 11:34am On May 28, 2015 |
elampiro: so central midfield is now the wing? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by parrotibaba(m): 11:36am On May 28, 2015 |
elampiro:ur problem is ur lack of accepting ur mistakes ,if I didn't bring dis screenshots as evidence u would hv vehemently denied dat u never said anything like dat ... here u r arguing dat Rooney played in d hole for united except d 2009/2010 season ,by den u said he was a winger for united for much of his career at united with d 2009/2010 season an exception ... Now u r using Valencia as an excuse ,were u not d one dat was mentioning d various years Rooney was a winger at united with d support of d various articles u sprouted out during d course of d argument ... u goofed up big time |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by tess1(m): 11:39am On May 28, 2015 |
elampiro: You are the one imagining. There are facts to support what i've said. You don't expect me to believe what pundits said over the facts that are on ground. What SAF said doesn't mean that he played Rooney behind the striker all the time. He would have said that about Jones if any issue came up about defensive midfield or right back. Rooney wanted to leave Man Utd because he was being used as a number 10 in SAF's last season. He said he wanted to play in the center forward position. Those are the facts from whoscored. I deliberately omitted that of 2009/2010 because you already accepted that he was our top striker then. In 2010/11 4411 formation was used four times, 2011/12 two times, 2012/2013 three times. You will also see that in SAF's last season, he changed the formation totally and adopted 4231 where Rooney played as a number 10 mostly in that season and that was the reason he said he wanted to leave. This is my last response on this issue.
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 11:42am On May 28, 2015 |
parrotibaba: you don't seem to know elampawa...... he has to somehow justify rooney's poor performance as a striker so he brings up ridiculous excuses as the reasons rooney isn't prolific. however, people who watch united know rooney's problem has little to do with the position he takes, he's just a very poor footballer. do you know how many goals herrera has scored for us this year in spite of his limited appearances? when rooney played in herrera's position, he was firing blanks. do you know how many goals mata has scored from his wide position for us? when rooney found himself in same position, he produced next to nothing. weedtaker: has benzema ever won the pichichi? how can you rate a striker that has never scored 22 league goals in one season in spain? this is the same madrid side that scored more than 100+ league goals when jose was there. abeg, benzema is useless. with the quality in the team he plays for, he should be averaging 30 league goals per season. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:47am On May 28, 2015 |
tess1: Now I know where your problem is coming from- whoscored. We had this argument before in January 2013 and I showed you from Zonal marking post match analysis that Rooney and Chacharito were splited apart. Rooney was behind Chicharito. Chicharito had about 14 matches cummlatively susing 90 mins to divide total time played. I also showed you about Welbeck. Now we had SAF and Rooney confirming Rooney played BEHIND THE STRIKER. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:59am On May 28, 2015 |
coogar: Where did Rooney scored from against Liverpool in our 3-0 win. Rooney scored 12 league gials, are you saying all were from the number 9 and 10? |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 12:02pm On May 28, 2015 |
elampiro: rooney played behind the striker but it was rooney that recorded 4.6 shots per game to chicharito's 1.7 shots per game. rooney took 14 shots in the 6-yard box, 59 shots in the penalty area & 84 shots from outside the box in 11/12 season. on top of it all, rooney had only 4 league assists to show for that season and you are lying to us rooney played in the hole. elampiro: you are only buttressing my point..... the fact that rooney wasn't played as the lead striker in some games does not diminish his scoring ability. it doesn't mean if he gets a chance in the box, he would miss. football is fluid....smalling scored 4 league goals this season, is he a striker? you would find out that in all those games rooney dropped deep under SAF, he still had chances to put the ball in the net but he missed. he missed because he's a poor footballer not because of his starting position. a world class player would get goals no matter where he finds himself. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:09pm On May 28, 2015 |
elampiro: Throwback (Thursday) lol Now we have seen Andy Cole said SAF changed his formation from 442 to 451 in 2001. We saw Rooney in 2008 said he had always played behinf the striker. We saw SAF in 2011 summer he had always deployed Rooney as number 10- behind the striker in the hole. The above points to one thing, Rooney has always been an out and out striker in one season- 2009/2010. Yori Yori. When I am chanced I will bring more from Zonal Marking charts, commentary, etc. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:16pm On May 28, 2015 |
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Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:22pm On May 28, 2015 |
coogar: Chacharito's figues are low because of his supersub roles. A player who is usually substituted and comes in late like 78th minutes wouldnt take many shots in few minutes played. On the second part of your posts, you are saying now that his about 187 EPL goals + 94 Assists are a justification of his EPL legendary status. Yori Yori. Nomatter where he has played, he has been productive. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by coogar: 12:25pm On May 28, 2015 |
elampiro: this is untrue....
i am saying his 187 EPL goals in 13 seasons is a disgrace to him especially when he's been a constant feature in the most dominant team in the land. |
Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:35pm On May 28, 2015 |
coogar: So you mean Chcihairo who was the top striker, who usualy was isolated up front had 1 shot in 90 minutes? This sounds true to you? coogar: What about his Assists? Rooney kind of football is one who complement with midfield duties, like tracking Michael Essien in our two legged UCL fixtures. This is why you and I saw Robben differently two years back. You and your apostles said Robben was not worth more than 15 to 20 million and I said he was worth about 40 to over 50 million. You were looking at figures, I was looking at his overall contribution. Same way we saw Hazard differently this last season. You always look at figures alone. Even thought, Rooney figures Assists+Goals are not bad, they are very good but not excellent. You are entitled to your opinion though and and also allowed to have disciples and apostles in your ministry or school of though. But they never represent the club's opinion or his various managers opinions. |
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