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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:59pm On May 28, 2015 |
patches689: [size=20pt] Operator: Egypt Number: 4 Cost: First two for 920 Euro Acquired: Approved in November 2011 and first expected to be delivered in 2016. Country of origin: Germany Manufacturer: Howaldtswerke-Deutsche - Armament: 8 x 21 inch torpedo tubes Missiles UGM-84 Harpoon SSM Torpedos 14 x Tigerfish torpedoes http://militaryedge.org/armaments/type-209/ Now you are the big time serial liar ! .[/size] |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:03pm On May 28, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Fact? How? Just because Patches says so? No ! Citation needed now ! . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:03pm On May 28, 2015 |
FighterPilot: Maybe year 2050 . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:03pm On May 28, 2015 |
agaugust: No I am not Your last citation said nothing about Harpoons Post proper sources and we wont have to waste post after post Anyway: Status - On order http://militaryedge.org/armaments/type-209/ And your source is some unknown trash site. Give us reputable citations. Until delivered, SAN has the best Subs in Africa (So good that Egypt ordered the class of submarine that was developed for SAN) Game over |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 3:03pm On May 28, 2015 |
FighterPilot:By the time you start building your {imaginary} IPVs and OPVs,we will be constructing destroyers and assembling an aircraft carrier. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 3:03pm On May 28, 2015 |
agaugust: On order!!! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:05pm On May 28, 2015 |
agaugust: Look at the name of the weapon: "20mm Oerlikon" Look at the caption of the picture: "A Gunner operating a 20mm Oerlikon" http://www.navy.mil.za/SANCareers/weapons_operator.htm Look at the armament of the Drakensburg "4× Oerlikon 20 mm cannon" Unless you are saying that ALL 20mm Oerlikon in service with the SAN are actually CIWS... which is fine by me ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:06pm On May 28, 2015 |
EVarn: you are going to be building destroyers and an aircraft carrier by 2020? Wow |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 3:06pm On May 28, 2015 |
EVarn: Yes China will come and build them for you in 2050. China does not have money anymore to give loans for charity. They offered you loans to build you your first OPVs and I don't think they will ever offer you any loans anytime soon. Meanwhile, our project of building our proudly made in SA OPVs is just on the door step to kick start. The shipyard is currently only busy renovating and extending their stores to be well equiped before the major project begins. http://www.warshipsifr.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=147:china-boosts-its-global-reach-via-naval-diplomacy&catid=36:commentary&Itemid=65 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:17pm On May 28, 2015 |
Just a reminder about the allegations made by Nigerians about SAN fleet readyness: There have been reports critical of the SAN’s operational readiness levels. Of course, there is no way that all its vessels can be fully operational at the same time – naval vessels, like aircraft, have complex mainte-nance schedules involving a variety of different levels of maintenance. And crews need training – a vessel undertaking training duties is not operationally deployable. In the past readiness, was, if anything, worse. In the 1970s, the SAN had, on paper, a fleet of three submarines, two destroyers, four frigates and three ocean patrol ships (comprising two obsolete frigates and one obsolete ocean minesweeper). In reality, there were never more than two submarines, one destroyer and three frigates in service (and often there were only two frigates operational). Of the nine strike craft that formed the backbone of the surface force in the 1980s, 1990s and early 2000s, no more than six were ever in service at the same time. Worldwide, an operational level of 50% – that is, half of the fleet is at sea or can put to sea for operational missions in a matter of days – is regarded as good for navies. Many navies do not achieve this level. Very, very few indeed exceed it. “ The SA Navy currently has two frigates available for operational contingencies,” he reports. “One frigate is deployed as part of the anti-piracy patrols in the Mozambique Channel whilst the other is scheduled to undertake an extensive west coast patrol with visits and exercises scheduled off Namibia, Angola, Nigeria and Senegal (where it will participate in the Sea Power for Africa Symposium [November 5 to 8, 2013]). A third frigate is available for training in Simon’s Town whilst the fourth is undergoing maintenance and repair. The SAS Amatola is due to conduct a refit which should commence early in the new year. The current frigate availability rate is as per the SA Navy ‘business plan’ and exceeds the international norm for operational availability.” As for the submarines, one is undergoing a major refit which will last until the middle of next year. It is our preference that if you wish to share this article with others you should please use the following link: http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/article/south-african-navy-mulls-future-requirements-as-fleet-remains-active-2013-10-04-1 3 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:18pm On May 28, 2015 |
Patchesagain: I quoted the dates and costs with the contract summary and that confirmed the Harpoon missiles from my first post, you denied it. You are a liar. Did you post a proper source to show SAS Drakensberg 20mm cannon is only manually operated? For the bolded parts, you lie again : 1. Today, best Submarine in Africa is year 2010 version Algerian Kilo Class 636M 2. Type 209 was NOT developed for SAN, they were developed for Germany and have existed since world war II, mumu ! http://www.militaryfactory.com/ships/detail.asp?ship_id=Type-209 . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 3:22pm On May 28, 2015 |
Patchesagain: [size=20]You killed them, I think we should now organise for their burial.[/size] 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:22pm On May 28, 2015 |
Patchesagain: [size=16pt]Out-dated report year 2013. Today year 2015, South Africa has ONLY 1 Frigate, 1 Submarine operational The others are non-functional .[/size] 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:25pm On May 28, 2015 |
agaugust: 1. Citation needed for kilo class 2. I have posted the links many times, this is the last: The Egyptian Government has signed an agreement with Germany for the procurement of two Howaldtswerke-Deutche Werft (HDW)-built SSK Manthatisi-class Type-209 submarines aimed at boosting its naval fleet capability, Egypt's Naval commander Osama Ahmed el-Gendy has announced. http://www.naval-technology.com/news/newsgermany-deliver-two-type-209-submarines-egypt SSK Manthatisi Class (Type 209/1400) Attack Submarine, South Africa http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/sskmanthatisi/ The Type 209 family is divided into classes according to tonnage and capabilities. Manthatisi is the most modern of the biggest of the classes (at 1400 tonnes) So, we can see: - Egypt is ordering the Manthatisi-Class Type 209 - The Manthatisi-Class is named after the SAS Manthatisi and is a sub-class of the Type 209/1400 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:25pm On May 28, 2015 |
FighterPilot: [size=20pt]He posted a 2013 old report in 2015....out-dated wrong information. LOL. He actually k.illed h.imself in suicide mode. LOL[/size] 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 3:26pm On May 28, 2015 |
agaugust:Give us any earlier news than that. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:26pm On May 28, 2015 |
agaugust: Augustus That 2013 report explains the operational model in which the SAN operates its frigates. Currently 2 frigates are operational as well as 2 submarines. The 3rd frigate is used for training, the 3rd sub and 4th frigate are in refit. Fact, fact, fact. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 3:27pm On May 28, 2015 |
agaugust: Shut up and give us any earlier news than that. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 3:27pm On May 28, 2015 |
agaugust: "agaugust: First, you need to show us the interior of the ship to proof your fairy tale that the ship is ready to sail. LOL. You need to prove that all the control room is fully built and prove that the ship is sailing on it's own NOT TUGGED by another ship to Nigeria, prove it, since you are the captain of the F92 ship, and you are in charge of the imaginary control room fully built by you. LOL. Show us the control room built and ready. LOL....I dare you to show us." 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:29pm On May 28, 2015 |
agaugust: You illiterate You are unable to comprehend the most basic of sources The source explains the designed usage of our fleet - a usage that the fleet has maintained. The only times it failed to do so was when 2 subs were in dry-dock (after the crash) and most recently when the Amatola was undergoing sea-trials post refit and was thus not considered operationally ready. Dude, I am starting to lose interest in this thread. This is becoming pointless. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:29pm On May 28, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Nope, Egypt is not buying your old type of submarine, they are buying the latest technology version of Type 209. South Africa got technology of 10 years ago, Egypt is advancing to year 2016 technology of new Type 209. So you tell lies again, serial liar ! On 31 August 2012, the Egyptian Navy commander General Osama Ahmed stated that a contract has been signed with the German side to build two type 209 submarines for the Egyptian Navy including the latest technology this type has reached. The first vessel is scheduled to be delivered in 2016. Egypt is planning to exercise an option of the contract for another two type 209 submarines" http://dmilt.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=9220:egypt-mod-intends-to-procurer-two-more-type-209-subs&catid=36:africa&Itemid=55 . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:31pm On May 28, 2015 |
Patchesagain: 1. Citation needed to prove your claim that South Africa has the best submarine in Africa, you made the claim first with no proof. So prove it, compare your submarine with that of others and back it up with citations . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:31pm On May 28, 2015 |
agaugust: The Egyptian Government has signed an agreement with Germany for the procurement of two Howaldtswerke-Deutche Werft (HDW)-built SSK Manthatisi-class Type-209 submarines aimed at boosting its naval fleet capability, Egypt's Naval commander Osama Ahmed el-Gendy has announced. http://www.naval-technology.com/news/newsgermany-deliver-two-type-209-submarines-egypt The Manthatisi-class is the latest of the Type 209/1400 classes you chucklefuck Get that into your goddamn head. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 3:33pm On May 28, 2015 |
Patchesagain:I thought you once claimed that OPVs are for weak and small navies,Now when it comes to 'Project Biro',OPVs have suddenly become vessels of national prestige?. You are going to build OPVs by 2018? rather unbelievable. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:35pm On May 28, 2015 |
EVarn: OPV's are indeed just that But we allready have frigates and submarines Now we can focus on smaller support vessels |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:37pm On May 28, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Radar controls the 20mm cannon on Shaldag gunboat, does that make it a CIWS ? Now your source DOES NOT say the gunner is on Drakensberg, I need proof of 20mm gun specs for SAS Drakensberg, prove to us that it is only manually controlled.....or you just made claims with ZERO proof ? #Trapped . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:38pm On May 28, 2015 |
Patchesagain: 2015 citation needed . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:40pm On May 28, 2015 |
agaugust: Augustus The 20mm on the Shaldag is listed as being the Typhoon Weapon System The 20mm on the Drakensburg are listed as just 20mm Oerlekon I am not wasting anymore time with this. We all know that they are manually operated, I have shown you pictures as well. If you want to argue for the sake of arguing, go ahead. I am not going to waste my time with pointless arguments. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:41pm On May 28, 2015 |
agaugust: No it isnt. SAN is operating just as it always has. If you wish to suggest that SAN operating guidlelines have changed - then you have to post a citation. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by EVarn(m): 3:43pm On May 28, 2015 |
FighterPilot:The idea that China is building all our vessels for us is an utterly ridiculous fallacy.Why,I can clearly remember that China is scrambling to acquire more vessels to safeguard its hold on the South-China sea and silk trade route,tell me,how can a country in such a dire need,leave its own problems to serve the interests of another country?. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 3:44pm On May 28, 2015 |
EVarn: China is hardly "Scrambling" to build that class of vessel They are "scrambling" to build destroyers and design a new cruiser, not sh1tty little gun-boats |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:45pm On May 28, 2015 |
EVarn: The Southies envy Nigerian OPVs, imagine, our OPVs can sail around Africa without refueling, but expensive Frigates of Soweto CANNOT try it ! . 1 Like 1 Share |
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