agaugust:


The Southies envy Nigerian OPVs, imagine, our OPVs can sail around Africa without refueling, but expensive Frigates of Soweto CANNOT try it !
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patches689:


Regardless of the size of your opv it's range will have to more than double to meet that of the warrior class

Warrior class is a better opv in terms of range

agaugust:


Show us citation to prove the range of P18N is less than Warrior class.

Show us proof ! Liar !
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Patchesagain:


Why would we envy a 50 year old vessel that cannot fight in naval combat?

Our Warrior class outrage your new Chinese OPV's and Valour class has enough range for the duties that we have assigned to it.

We built a NAVY

Now we are building a Maritime Security force

You built a COAST GUARD

Now you are... o wait... your not building a navy

Patchesagain:

OPV's are indeed just that
But we allready have frigates and submarines
Now we can focus on smaller support vessels

Patchesagain:


We know the range for your class of ship

Unless you can prove otherwise

The range of that class stands

#Self Trap
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EVarn:
The idea that China is building all our vessels for us is an utterly ridiculous fallacy.Why,I can clearly remember that China is scrambling to acquire more vessels to safeguard its hold on the South-China sea and silk trade route,tell me,how can a country in such a dire need,leave its own problems to serve the interests of another country?.

agaugust:


OPV is for patrol NOT naval combat, if they are useless, why is SAN crying tears for project biro as you soweto navy struggles to buy 1 OPV in 23 years of jinx and disappointment?

Now post source of Nigeria's P18N range as you claim it's less than your tiny toy boat Warrior class.

The longest range warship in Africa belongs to Nigeria, NNS Thunder and NNS Okpabana, ALL South African warships including Warrior boat, Valour Frigate, SAS Drakensberg, and Submarines CANNOT, I mean CANNOT match the range of our two ships .

Today, NN out-ranges SAN at sea. Live with it !
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agaugust:


There is NO other ship in that class with the size of P18N.....show us one I dare you !

The closest is Thai navy Type 056 OPV with range 3,500 nautical miles, not the 2,000 nm you claim you liar !

P18N is 1,800 tons. Thai ship is 1,300 tons. Tells you range difference.

You are the one claiming Nigerian P18N has less range than Warrior boat, so show us the source of your P18N data , are you afraid ?

#Self Trap
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Patchesagain:


You illiterate

You are unable to comprehend the most basic of sources

The source explains the designed usage of our fleet - a usage that the fleet has maintained.

The only times it failed to do so was when 2 subs were in dry-dock (after the crash) and most recently when the Amatola was undergoing sea-trials post refit and was thus not considered operationally ready.

Dude, I am starting to lose interest in this thread. This is becoming pointless.

Patchesagain:


Augustus

The 20mm on the Shaldag is listed as being the Typhoon Weapon System

The 20mm on the Drakensburg are listed as just 20mm Oerlekon

I am not wasting anymore time with this.

We all know that they are manually operated, I have shown you pictures as well.

If you want to argue for the sake of arguing, go ahead. I am not going to waste my time with pointless arguments.

Patchesagain:

Your 50 year old warships impress no one

Patchesagain:


The Egyptian Government has signed an agreement with Germany for the procurement of two Howaldtswerke-Deutche Werft (HDW)-built SSK Manthatisi-class Type-209 submarines aimed at boosting its naval fleet capability, Egypt's Naval commander Osama Ahmed el-Gendy has announced.
http://www.naval-technology.com/news/newsgermany-deliver-two-type-209-submarines-egypt

The Manthatisi-class is the latest of the Type 209/1400 classes you chucklefuck

Get that into your goddamn head.

FighterPilot:


Nigeria does not have the capacity to build her own warship other than through foreign sponsors.

Patchesagain:


Your 50 year old warships impress no one

Patchesagain:


Your 50 year old warships impress no one

Patchesagain:


We know the range for your class of ship

Patchesagain:


Regardless of the size of your opv it's range will have to more than double to meet that of the warrior class

Warrior class is a better opv in terms of range

Patchesagain:


You want me to educate you on your own vessels?

patches689:


Range of warrior class: 4000 miles

Type 056 OPV: 2000 miles

Fact.

agaugust:


I need proof of 20mm gun specs for SAS Drakensberg, prove to us that it is only manually controlled.....or you just made claims with ZERO proof ?

# Defeated Totally
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agaugust:



[size=16pt]Out-dated report year 2013.

Today year 2015, South Africa has ONLY 1 Frigate, 1 Submarine operational

The others are non-functional
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agaugust:


The Southies envy Nigerian OPVs, imagine, our OPVs can sail around Africa without refueling, but expensive Frigates of Soweto CANNOT try it !
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agaugust:


I need proof of 20mm gun specs for SAS Drakensberg, prove to us that it is only manually controlled.....or you just made claims with ZERO proof ?

# Defeated Totally
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agaugust:


Your old Type 209 has NO ANTI-SHIP MISSILES.....Egypt has the latest version and has missiles....

Get that into your plum shaped head....Olodo....your SAN sub is out-dated.

Egypt is buying 2012-2016 latest technology, that is the clause in the contract, "order for latest technology 2012-2016."

SAS Manthatisi is a year 2004 submarine.....10 years ago technology is NOT the latest technology. Olodo !
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agaugust:


SAN is so impressed you want an OPV desperately on project sick-biro

agaugust:


They have the longest range in Africa and modernized through the Fleet Rehabilitation and Modernization (FRAM) program 1992 by USA

Anything in South African navy to match that in patrol?
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agaugust:
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That is fact? Prove it?

Citation needed for range 4,000 miles on SAN Warrior class patrol boat !

Show us source !

I can bet that Warrior boat endurance at sea is just about half of the Type 056 OPV

Show us proof of range on Warrior class !
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agaugust:


I need proof of 20mm gun specs for SAS Drakensberg, prove to us that it is only manually controlled.....or you just made claims with ZERO proof ?

# Defeated Totally
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Patchesagain:


http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/reshef-specs.htm

Patchesagain:


Is range the only measure of a vessel?

Patchesagain:


Why wouldent we then just ask the Americans for one of your second hand 50 year old vessels

SAN does it right - when we buy, we buy big, and first hand.

This peasant, thinking 50 year old vessels impress anyone