Patchesagain:


Provide citation that your corvette has chaff dispensers

Then provide stats for its effectiveness

And yet again, I remind you - Nigerian navy has no warships

Nightmare? Please, you are the resident donkey

Nope, I am a resident t.ormentor of South Africa.

Nigerian P18N OPVs have PJ-46 Decoy launchers, specially made to defeat ALL anti-ship missiles of South African frigates.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2014-news/november-2014-navy-naval-forces-maritime-industry-technology-security-global-news/2210-china-delivers-first-p18n-offshore-patrol-vessel-to-nigerian-navy.html

Now your Soweto navy is doomed, Nigerian navy OPV warships have anti-missile counter measures.

We shall end the war in gun battle at sea, and Nigerian OPVs have superior gun firepower over South African frigates.

Countries of the world will laugh at Mandela's navy when Abuja navy uses OPV to sink expensive frigate and make world history

.

Patchesagain:


Are your chaff launchers 100% effective?

How much chaff can they dispense?

If you think that an Opv stands a chance against a Frigate then you need to stop posting in military forums

Are your Exocet missiles 100% effective?

How many Exocet missiles do you even have? Just about 13 missiles....one and a half warship load.

LOL....Foolish Soweto navy cannot even fully arm two frigates, their missiles are for one and a half ships....world record

Yes, I have started another chapter of nightmare for South African military on this forum.

Any navy Admiral from SAN/SANDF is free to come and challenge me, Nigeria will use OPV to sink Mandela's expensive over-rated Frigates
.

MikeCZAR:
Nigeria has:




0 Frigates.
0 submarines.




Come back when you have something.

[size=20]Bwahahaha…Super zero frigates and submarines. Such navies are crippled in the modern world. Better to have an army of sheeps led by a lion than an army of lions led by a sheep. Better to have an navy of few frigates and submarines, than a navy with lot of small useless boats.[/size]

agaugust:


Are your Exocet missiles 100% effective?

How many Exocet missiles do you even have? Just about 13 missiles....one and a half warship load.

LOL....Foolish Soweto navy cannot even fully arm two frigates, their missiles are for one and a half ships....world record

Yes, I have started another chapter of nightmare for South African military on this forum.

Any navy Admiral from SAN/SANDF is free to come and challenge me, Nigeria will use OPV to sink Mandela's expensive over-rated Frigates
.

Just look at this man doing guess work about the number of our Exocet missile. The number of missiles one military has is very deceiving because many militaries purchase missiles in batches and only one batch can be recorded as proof that one military is now officially the user of that kind of weapons. In most cases only samples are obtained other than the rest of the population parameters of weapon inventories. All that is enough is to capture one transaction of let say 10 missiles or 20 that has ever happened between one country and suppliers.

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FighterPilot:


Bwahahaha…Super zero frigates and submarines. Such navies are crippled in the modern world. Better to have an army of sheeps led by a lion than an army of lions led by a sheep. Better to have an army of few frigates and submarines, than a navy with lot of small useless boats.

Small boats?

NNS Thunder

NNS Okpabana

NNS Centenary

NNS Unity

Those are big blue water ships that could sail from 5,000 km to over 20,000 km range with sea voyage endurance of 3 weeks to over 6 weeks.

BTWN, Nigeria has missile frigate and torpedo anti-submarine warfare helicopters in reserve in case of conventional war.

You need to worry about South Africa having only one frigate and one submarine operational today.

Then if anti-piracy ships are useless, you South Africans won't be crying and weeping to have project sick-Biro revived from 23 year coma

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FighterPilot:


Just look at this man doing guess work about the number of our Exocet missile. The number of missiles one military has is very deceiving.

Okay, Nigeria has 1,000 PL-9C missiles and 1,000 AR-1 missiles.

Cool ?

FighterPilot:


Just look at this man doing guess work about the number of our Exocet missile. The number of missiles one military has is very deceiving because many militaries purchase missiles in batches and only one batch can be recorded as proof that one military is now officially the user of that kind of weapons. In most cases only samples are obtained other than the rest of the population parameters of weapon inventories. All that is enough is to capture one transaction of let say 10 missiles or 20 that has ever happened between one country and suppliers.

I work in defence industry, missiles sales are order, follow up order if any, and all are captured by UN arms records.

France will NOT hide Exocet missiles sales to South Africa and deceive United Nations for the sake of black ANC government.

Fool

People, beware!!! No wepon inventory of any military can be concluded through the information obtained through SIPRI. What SIPRI does is only to record weapons transaction of countries and defence industries or one military to another but their interest does not rely mostly on number of small weapons purchased. They are only more interested on quantity variables of military hardwares such as tanks, fighter jets, MRAPS, etc. They only obtain samples for missiles purchased in most of their collection of information. Using SIPRI as a basis for the credibility of information you collected about the number of missiles purchased by one country will only land you in hot water because the number of small weapons remains the secret of one military that should be protected from the public. That is also taught in espionage studies on various intelligence academies. You will get hurt by booby traps if you go after the information that one country has such and such number of missiles because what you see in the media might only be a leak to what might actually be the real picture. It might only be a leak of one transaction from a million others.

agaugust:


I work in defence industry, missiles sales are order, follow up order if any, and all are captured by UN arms records.

France will NOT hide Exocet missiles sales to South Africa and deceive United Nations for the sake of black ANC government.

Fool

The french company will do what their clients require of them to do in every conceivable way, but their right is to disclose the transaction. The purchase of small weapons remains the back bone of any military that should be protected from the public knowledge. That is what I have learned from espionage studies. Any military that allows such is doomed and will remain vulnerable to attacks. However, many spies know a lot than you that they will never be swayed by what they see in SIPRI concerning purchase of missiles and small arms. There could also be multiple transactions which is always the case. Many militaries guard their arms deals by purchasing weapons in batches and that is also what defence industries recommend for safety purposes. Remember when you will have to lose all your stock in transit. Anyway, I know how difficult it is to discuss military with a civilian like you.

FighterPilot:
People, beware!!! No wepon inventory of any military can be concluded through the information obtained through SIPRI. What SIPRI does is only to record weapons transaction of countries and defence industries or one military to another but their interest does not rely mostly on number of small weapons purchased. They are only more interested on quantity variables of military hardwares such as tanks, fighter jets, MRAPS, etc. They only obtain samples for missiles purchased in most of their collection of information. Using SIPRI as a basis for the credibility of information you collected about the number of missiles purchased by one country will only land you in hot water because the number of small weapons remains the secret of one military that should be protected from the public. That is also taught in espionage studies on various intelligence academies. You will get hurt by booby traps if you go after the information that one country has such and such number of missiles because what you see in the media might only be a leak to what might actually be the real picture. It might only be a leak of one transaction from a million others.

Mumu....

agaugust:


Mumu....

You have never attended even a single military or intelligence academy and hardly know anything about collecting credible information. If you would have attended any of those institutions, you would have concurred with my factual claims in every possible way. You would have known that every country has its own exclusive way of fooling spies when it comes to the quantity of their small weapons such as missiles, bombs, rockets, artillery shells, riffles, etc. Those are the backbone of any military and they must remain a secret. What is only most important is to consider to as a spy is the nominal variable concerning the type of weapons one country uses. You just only have to look at the specifications and power of the kind of small arms they use and not specifically the number because you will get lost and fall right inside your grave. You will get killed by other ghost numbers of weapons you haven't read about them on Google or SIPRI. Beware!! well I am just only schooling you.

agaugust:



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Bwahahahaaha

I am smarter than you are, so I forced you to eat your own words.

Now Patches has h.umiliated himself, you said before that the P18N range is 2,000 miles.....



Trust a Nigerian, a smarter nation to force a dull nation South African to commit s.uicide here

I knew the range is 3,000 miles for P18N, the source you used is the same source from which I got the decoy launchers/anti-missile.....Navy Recognition website, I set you up to trap yourself, and you fell flat for it !

So why did you cut down the Nigerian OPV range from 3,000 miles to 2,000 miles yesterday? Do you know that you have now confirmed yourself as an anointed fraudster? The whole forum now sees you Patches as a liar, fraud, thief !

Am I done with you now? No. More humiliation for y.ou Patches, let a military researcher from Great Nigeria teach you about sea warfare.

Now you say SAN Warrior class boat out-ranges NN P18N OPV, you are very wrong !

Learn now office worker Patrick, learn from Augustine defense industry worker, the son of Naija land, Nigeria the great :

Warship operational performance is NOT determined by miles of range, rather, sea voyage is determined by ENDURANCE days at sea !


South African Warrior boat endurance at sea = 10 days

Nigerian P18N OPV ship endurance at sea = 20 days

Means the SAN boat has only half time to survive at sea, the Nigerian OPV has double time to operate at sea.

Nigerian navy OPV is far superior to South African toy OPV only good for a swimming pool

SOURCE :

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2014-news/november-2014-navy-naval-forces-maritime-industry-technology-security-global-news/2210-china-delivers-first-p18n-offshore-patrol-vessel-to-nigerian-navy.html

Now bow down to Nigeria for educating South Africa again as usual....we own you !
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Hahahhahaha

You have been forced to eat your words!!

You did not know the range of your own vessel!!


[size=20pt]The only fraudster here is you!! Yesterday you claimed that the warrior class did not outrange your Opv!! If you knew your OPVs range was 3000nm why did you say that! [/size]!

Warrior class Opv outranges your Opv

End of story

agaugust:
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I say NO
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So now you are saying your OPVs cannot defeat a frigate?

agaugust:


Nope, I am a resident t.ormentor of South Africa.

Nigerian P18N OPVs have PJ-46 Decoy launchers, specially made to defeat ALL anti-ship missiles of South African frigates.

http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2014-news/november-2014-navy-naval-forces-maritime-industry-technology-security-global-news/2210-china-delivers-first-p18n-offshore-patrol-vessel-to-nigerian-navy.html

Now your Soweto navy is doomed, Nigerian navy OPV warships have anti-missile counter measures.

We shall end the war in gun battle at sea, and Nigerian OPVs have superior gun firepower over South African frigates.

Countries of the world will laugh at Mandela's navy when Abuja navy uses OPV to sink expensive frigate and make world history

.

What is the effectiveness of the launcher?

100%

agaugust:


Are your Exocet missiles 100% effective?

How many Exocet missiles do you even have? Just about 13 missiles....one and a half warship load.

LOL....Foolish Soweto navy cannot even fully arm two frigates, their missiles are for one and a half ships....world record

Yes, I have started another chapter of nightmare for South African military on this forum.

Any navy Admiral from SAN/SANDF is free to come and challenge me, Nigeria will use OPV to sink Mandela's expensive over-rated Frigate
.

What is The effectiveness of the chaff launcher?

I will not entertain your argument until you provide stats

IF I WERE TO BE TASKED TO COLLECT INFO ABOUT NIGERIA'S MILITARY READINESS TOWARDS AERIAL ATTACKS; THE FOLLOWING IS WHAT I WILL COLLECT AS STATED BELOW.

1. Unlike, agaugust, I wouldn't go for number of Roland missiles Nigeria has, rather the number of platforms since that is less deceiving than number of small arms.
2. I would go for quality variables other than running after deceiving numerical values which will not add value to my collection rather will reduce the credibility of my findings dismissive before generals.
3. I will look into aspects such as when last did Nigeria ever made a purchase for SAMs and how recent such transaction was.
4. The number is not important, the date of the last purchase is what is important because it is the better way of measuring the life span of missiles. We all know that Nigeria has purchased Roland's missiles some 30 years ago and what is most likely is that majority of such missiles are by no doubt not in active service by now. No country can have missiles older than 30 years and still have them all in service, that is a fact. Missiles need to be maintained from time to time. Even SANDF has many of such obsolete missiles especially their SAMs which they used for the better part of their bush war. They just had to retire them from active service.
5. There is a high possibility that Nigeria, due to the fact that they do not have any threats from aerial attacks, have seen no need of replacing their aged old air defence system. So, that also opens the doors to make conclusive findings despite the number of missiles they that their air defence might not be effective or might only be existing on paper because age has now really taken a deep toll on them.

However, this collection is not conclusive and exhaustive, since Nigeria has other alternative platform which include artillery of air defence systems. Such platforms will also still have to be analysed and summarised into graphs to highlight the fire power gauge.

stillchris:


no. they will stop over at simons town.

eat your food,

drink your best wines,



and continue their voyage.

is that answer proper enough for your stup1d question?

So?

The Valour Class frigates can do such!
Stopping to replenish along the way or use the navy replenishment ship if stopping isn't required.

stillchris:

your navy is not proper.
using frigates and subs to perform the work of OPV and corvette.
SA has no navy

What "work"?

And what is the "work" of frigates and submarines?

"OPV and corvette"? This just shows how ill inform you are Mr Troll.

agaugust:


Lot's of food and drinks inside NNS Thunder, enough to last for many weeks.

Long Endurance OPV is bigger than a house, food plenty, drink yourself drunk, life is sweet on NNS Thunder marathon voyage around Africa.

No ship in South African navy has that long endurance capacity.

Envy will rooooast you
.

For weeks?

Citation needed on the food carrying capacity of your old cutter?


And along does a voyage take around Africa take?

agaugust:


When did you last see ship vs ship combat in Africa or in this world? Over 30 years ago.

The only active sea threat today worldwide is piracy, OPVs are reigning.

Nigeria, Ghana, Cameroon, Angola, Equatorial Guinea, Gabon, Kenya, are all hunting for OPV to safeguard their oceans.

Frigates and submarines have become little use since 30 years ago.

Anyway, your Soweto frigates have only about a dozen anti-ship missiles, and there are anti-antiship missile decoy launchers counter measures on Nigerian navy OPVs for self defence against enemy missiles.

So, once we waste your missiles, we will turn it into a gun battle at sea, and Nigerian OPVs have superior gun firepower over the South African navy frigates.
.

The navy's role is to fight at sea not patrol.

What decoys? If decoys were effective navies wouldn't be investing expensive in SAM(s) and CIWS.

agaugust:

Okay, Nigeria has 1,000 PL-9C missiles and 1,000 AR-1 missiles.
Cool ?

3rd Generation PL-9C.

agaugust:




So, once we waste your missiles, we will turn it into a gun battle at sea, and Nigerian OPVs have superior gun firepower over the South African navy frigates.
.

Citation needed.

agaugust:
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Small boats?

NNS Thunder

NNS Okpabana

NNS Centenary

NNS Unity

Those are big blue water ships that could sail from 5,000 km to over 20,000 km range with sea voyage endurance of 3 weeks to over 6 weeks.

BTWN, Nigeria has missile frigate and torpedo anti-submarine warfare helicopters in reserve in case of conventional war.

You need to worry about South Africa having only one frigate and one submarine operational today.

Then if anti-piracy ships are useless, you South Africans won't be crying and weeping to have project sick-Biro revived from 23 year coma

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Nigeria has no warships - your "reserve" vessels will be useless in war

Thus Nigeria has no navy

Only a pathetic navy will brag of 50 year old second hand cutters

San has 3 operational frigates and 3 operational submarines

agaugust:


I work in defence industry, missiles sales are order, follow up order if any, and all are captured by UN arms records.

France will NOT hide Exocet missiles sales to South Africa and deceive United Nations for the sake of black ANC government.

Fool

Prove it

Liar

agaugust:

Mumu....

lol

Patchesagain:


1, orders were cut because the size of the Sandf was cut from 500,000 to less than 100,000. South Africa spent $7 billion on the arms deal - we could've aquired as many Rooivalk as we want

2. No evidence to suggest that the Rooivalk was rejected by anyone and it beat the Apache and tiger in Turkish trials

3.how many Z-10 or ATAK are there in Africa? Lol - fact disproved

Russian helps are chosen because they are cheap - that is all


Rooivalk with 30 year-old computers beat the brand new tiger and Apache in Turkey - this has been proven over and over


Look Henry, I know that you love talking about the Rooivalk but this is getting boring

The emotions you South-Africans display over your half-french Rooivalk issue is amazing!!!!!



1. Rooivalk orders were caught because you government could not afford them.


2. Enough evidence has been provided, the Half-french AH was rejected by 5+ countries.

3. The Turks wanted a Helicopter they could domestically build. The Apache or EADS Tiger weren't going to provide that.

The A-129 was rightly chosen over your obsolete AH because it is top to bottom a considerably better platform. It is because it has obsolete systems on board, it lost.



Patrick, believe me, i'd rather talk about something else, but insistence of you South-Africans in distorting facts and giving your AH un-deserved plaudits means those in the know have to put that AH in it's rightful garbage.

MikeCZAR:



The navy's role is to fight at sea not patrol.

What decoys? If decoys were effective navies wouldn't be investing expensive in SAM(s) and CIWS.

The Navy's role is the protect a Nation against any territorial threats from the sea.

Henry120:


The emotions you South-Africans display over your half-french Rooivalk issue is amazing!!!!!



1. Rooivalk orders were caught because you government could not afford them.


2. Enough evidence has been provided, the Half-french AH was rejected by 5+ countries.

3. The Turks wanted a Helicopter they could domestically build. The Apache or EADS Tiger weren't going to provide that.

The A-129 was rightly chosen over your obsolete AH because it is top to bottom a considerably better platform. It is because it has obsolete systems on board, it lost.



Patrick, believe me, i'd rather talk about something else, but insistence of you South-Africans in distorting facts and giving your AH un-deserved plaudits means those in the know have to put that AH in it's rightful garbage.

Emotional? You are obsessed with it!!

1. Rooivalk was cut because the size and budget of the SANDF was cut. FACT

2. You have provided ZERO evidence to support these claims

3. And yet they competed, and yet the Rooivalk outperformed them

How is the A-129 better than the Rooivalk? Yet again, you say its better, but are unable to say how or why.

I know why you say its better - because of your jealous obsession with the Rooivalk. It burns your guts that we have made such a fantastic platform, and you will do anything in your power to undermine it.

Henry, the capabilities of the Rooivalk have been laid out for all on this forum to see. The age of the systems that provide these capabilities is irrelevant when your own attack helicopters dont have said capabilities and when said capabilities are comparable to systems such as the Apache, Z-10, ATAK, HAL, KA-50/52 et al.

So I recommend you do the following before continuing your pathetic assault on the Rooivalk:

1. Aquire a system that has similar or better capabilities than the Rooivalk
2. Design and build an attack helicopter in Nigeria

Until you have done the two above, you have no right nor any standing to comment on the Rooivalk.

What is happening right now is a poor man sitting in a VW polo is insulting a rich man sitting in a Mercedes Benz C-class by saying that his C-Class is not as good as a brand new C-class - yet - the poor man forgets that he himself drives a sh1tty polo

Henry120:


The Navy's role is the protect a Nation against any territorial threats from the sea.

And your navy is incapable of doing that

Hence it is not a navy but a coast guard

Patchesagain:


You actually beleive the trash you write?

Rooivalk capabilities have been laid out

The age of its equipment is irrelevant

Because:

It has capabilities your brand new hind does not

Thus, if it is obsolete - what then is your Hind? A dinosour?

Dude, your Rooivalk obsession shows us that you are deeply jealous

Don't be naive. All my posts come with their appropriate citations. Including those from Denel.

Your AH runs on 30 years old computers. It's primarily because of it's age the Rooivalk is considered obsolete.


Dinosaur....... funny that's one of the terms used in describing your AH.


I just wonder what i should be jealous of, I fail to see it. You South-Africans branding Nigerians jealous at every turn are misplaced, go display you emotions to your government.

Henry120:


Don't be naive. All my posts come with their appropriate citations. Including those from Denel.

Your AH runs on 30 years old computers. It's primarily because of it's age the Rooivalk is considered obsolete.


Dinosaur....... funny that's one of the terms used in describing your AH.


I just wonder what i should be jealous of, I fail to see it. You South-Africans branding Nigerians jealous at every turn are misplaced, go display you emotions to your government.

Henry

Your "citations" are one outdated opinion piece and one Janes artical that you interpreted in a very particular way and that at the same time can be interpreted in a very different way by others.

As usual, you have made a big fuss by reposting the same trash over and over again.

The age of sub-systems is irrelevant when they provide capabilities that YOUR platforms do not have and when those capabilities match those of platforms such as the ATAK

Our "obsolete" Rooivalk is still better than your brand new Hind M... is that why you are so desperate to attack the Rooivalk? Is it the fact that we build better platforms than you can afford to buy?

Your complete and utter obsession (you have dedicated a whole week of your life to the Rooivalk) demonstrates that you have some major emotional hangups over the platform.

Again, I say:

1. Buy a platform with similar or better capabilities to the Rooivalk
2. Design and built an attack helicopter with simular capabilities to the Rooivalk

Then you can comment on the Rooivalk. You have not earned the right to critique it, no basis for attacking it - you can pull it down all you want, it is still better than anything in your arsenal and decades ahead of anything in Southern Africa

And that, is what is important.

Patchesagain:


Emotional? You are obsessed with it!!

1. Rooivalk was cut because the size and budget of the SANDF was cut. FACT

2. You have provided ZERO evidence to support these claims

3. And yet they competed, and yet the Rooivalk outperformed them

How is the A-129 better than the Rooivalk? Yet again, you say its better, but are unable to say how or why.

I know why you say its better - because of your jealous obsession with the Rooivalk. It burns your guts that we have made such a fantastic platform, and you will do anything in your power to undermine it.

Henry, the capabilities of the Rooivalk have been laid out for all on this forum to see. The age of the systems that provide these capabilities is irrelevant when your own attack helicopters dont have said capabilities and when said capabilities are comparable to systems such as the Apache, Z-10, ATAK, HAL, KA-50/52 et al.

So I recommend you do the following before continuing your pathetic assault on the Rooivalk:

1. Aquire a system that has similar or better capabilities than the Rooivalk
2. Design and build an attack helicopter in Nigeria

Until you have done the two above, you have no right nor any standing to comment on the Rooivalk.

What is happening right now is a poor man sitting in a VW polo is insulting a rich man sitting in a Mercedes Benz C-class by saying that his C-Class is not as good as a brand new C-class - yet - the poor man forgets that he himself drives a sh1tty polo

He has now gone into full attack Henry mode!!!

Let me remind you, personal attacks on me doesn't make your Half-French Rooivalk less obsolete.

It was obsolete before your attacks, obsolete during your attacks and still obsolete after them.


Go cry to your government.