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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:18am On May 29, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Nope, I am a resident t.ormentor of South Africa. Nigerian P18N OPVs have PJ-46 Decoy launchers, specially made to defeat ALL anti-ship missiles of South African frigates. http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/year-2014-news/november-2014-navy-naval-forces-maritime-industry-technology-security-global-news/2210-china-delivers-first-p18n-offshore-patrol-vessel-to-nigerian-navy.html Now your Soweto navy is doomed, Nigerian navy OPV warships have anti-missile counter measures. We shall end the war in gun battle at sea, and Nigerian OPVs have superior gun firepower over South African frigates. Countries of the world will laugh at Mandela's navy when Abuja navy uses OPV to sink expensive frigate and make world history . 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:23am On May 29, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Are your Exocet missiles 100% effective? How many Exocet missiles do you even have? Just about 13 missiles....one and a half warship load. LOL....Foolish Soweto navy cannot even fully arm two frigates, their missiles are for one and a half ships....world record Yes, I have started another chapter of nightmare for South African military on this forum. Any navy Admiral from SAN/SANDF is free to come and challenge me, Nigeria will use OPV to sink Mandela's expensive over-rated Frigates . 1 Like
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 5:24am On May 29, 2015 |
MikeCZAR: [size=20]Bwahahaha…Super zero frigates and submarines. Such navies are crippled in the modern world. Better to have an army of sheeps led by a lion than an army of lions led by a sheep. Better to have an navy of few frigates and submarines, than a navy with lot of small useless boats.[/size] 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 5:30am On May 29, 2015 |
agaugust: Just look at this man doing guess work about the number of our Exocet missile. The number of missiles one military has is very deceiving because many militaries purchase missiles in batches and only one batch can be recorded as proof that one military is now officially the user of that kind of weapons. In most cases only samples are obtained other than the rest of the population parameters of weapon inventories. All that is enough is to capture one transaction of let say 10 missiles or 20 that has ever happened between one country and suppliers. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:37am On May 29, 2015 |
[size=16] FighterPilot: Small boats? NNS Thunder NNS Okpabana NNS Centenary NNS Unity Those are big blue water ships that could sail from 5,000 km to over 20,000 km range with sea voyage endurance of 3 weeks to over 6 weeks. BTWN, Nigeria has missile frigate and torpedo anti-submarine warfare helicopters in reserve in case of conventional war. You need to worry about South Africa having only one frigate and one submarine operational today. Then if anti-piracy ships are useless, you South Africans won't be crying and weeping to have project sick-Biro revived from 23 year coma [/size] 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:41am On May 29, 2015 |
FighterPilot: Okay, Nigeria has 1,000 PL-9C missiles and 1,000 AR-1 missiles. Cool ? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 5:43am On May 29, 2015 |
FighterPilot: I work in defence industry, missiles sales are order, follow up order if any, and all are captured by UN arms records. France will NOT hide Exocet missiles sales to South Africa and deceive United Nations for the sake of black ANC government. Fool |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 5:53am On May 29, 2015 |
People, beware!!! No wepon inventory of any military can be concluded through the information obtained through SIPRI. What SIPRI does is only to record weapons transaction of countries and defence industries or one military to another but their interest does not rely mostly on number of small weapons purchased. They are only more interested on quantity variables of military hardwares such as tanks, fighter jets, MRAPS, etc. They only obtain samples for missiles purchased in most of their collection of information. Using SIPRI as a basis for the credibility of information you collected about the number of missiles purchased by one country will only land you in hot water because the number of small weapons remains the secret of one military that should be protected from the public. That is also taught in espionage studies on various intelligence academies. You will get hurt by booby traps if you go after the information that one country has such and such number of missiles because what you see in the media might only be a leak to what might actually be the real picture. It might only be a leak of one transaction from a million others. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 6:04am On May 29, 2015 |
agaugust: The french company will do what their clients require of them to do in every conceivable way, but their right is to disclose the transaction. The purchase of small weapons remains the back bone of any military that should be protected from the public knowledge. That is what I have learned from espionage studies. Any military that allows such is doomed and will remain vulnerable to attacks. However, many spies know a lot than you that they will never be swayed by what they see in SIPRI concerning purchase of missiles and small arms. There could also be multiple transactions which is always the case. Many militaries guard their arms deals by purchasing weapons in batches and that is also what defence industries recommend for safety purposes. Remember when you will have to lose all your stock in transit. Anyway, I know how difficult it is to discuss military with a civilian like you. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 6:08am On May 29, 2015 |
FighterPilot: Mumu.... 1 Like
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 6:23am On May 29, 2015 |
agaugust: You have never attended even a single military or intelligence academy and hardly know anything about collecting credible information. If you would have attended any of those institutions, you would have concurred with my factual claims in every possible way. You would have known that every country has its own exclusive way of fooling spies when it comes to the quantity of their small weapons such as missiles, bombs, rockets, artillery shells, riffles, etc. Those are the backbone of any military and they must remain a secret. What is only most important is to consider to as a spy is the nominal variable concerning the type of weapons one country uses. You just only have to look at the specifications and power of the kind of small arms they use and not specifically the number because you will get lost and fall right inside your grave. You will get killed by other ghost numbers of weapons you haven't read about them on Google or SIPRI. Beware!! well I am just only schooling you. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 7:25am On May 29, 2015 |
agaugust: Hahahhahaha You have been forced to eat your words!! You did not know the range of your own vessel!! [size=20pt]The only fraudster here is you!! Yesterday you claimed that the warrior class did not outrange your Opv!! If you knew your OPVs range was 3000nm why did you say that! [/size]! Warrior class Opv outranges your Opv End of story 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 7:25am On May 29, 2015 |
agaugust: So now you are saying your OPVs cannot defeat a frigate? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 7:29am On May 29, 2015 |
agaugust: What is the effectiveness of the launcher? 100% |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 7:31am On May 29, 2015 |
agaugust: What is The effectiveness of the chaff launcher? I will not entertain your argument until you provide stats |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by FighterPilot(m): 7:38am On May 29, 2015 |
IF I WERE TO BE TASKED TO COLLECT INFO ABOUT NIGERIA'S MILITARY READINESS TOWARDS AERIAL ATTACKS; THE FOLLOWING IS WHAT I WILL COLLECT AS STATED BELOW. 1. Unlike, agaugust, I wouldn't go for number of Roland missiles Nigeria has, rather the number of platforms since that is less deceiving than number of small arms. 2. I would go for quality variables other than running after deceiving numerical values which will not add value to my collection rather will reduce the credibility of my findings dismissive before generals. 3. I will look into aspects such as when last did Nigeria ever made a purchase for SAMs and how recent such transaction was. 4. The number is not important, the date of the last purchase is what is important because it is the better way of measuring the life span of missiles. We all know that Nigeria has purchased Roland's missiles some 30 years ago and what is most likely is that majority of such missiles are by no doubt not in active service by now. No country can have missiles older than 30 years and still have them all in service, that is a fact. Missiles need to be maintained from time to time. Even SANDF has many of such obsolete missiles especially their SAMs which they used for the better part of their bush war. They just had to retire them from active service. 5. There is a high possibility that Nigeria, due to the fact that they do not have any threats from aerial attacks, have seen no need of replacing their aged old air defence system. So, that also opens the doors to make conclusive findings despite the number of missiles they that their air defence might not be effective or might only be existing on paper because age has now really taken a deep toll on them. However, this collection is not conclusive and exhaustive, since Nigeria has other alternative platform which include artillery of air defence systems. Such platforms will also still have to be analysed and summarised into graphs to highlight the fire power gauge. 1 Like 2 Shares |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 7:56am On May 29, 2015 |
stillchris:So? The Valour Class frigates can do such! Stopping to replenish along the way or use the navy replenishment ship if stopping isn't required. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 8:01am On May 29, 2015 |
stillchris:What "work"? And what is the "work" of frigates and submarines? "OPV and corvette"? This just shows how ill inform you are Mr Troll. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 8:04am On May 29, 2015 |
agaugust:For weeks? Citation needed on the food carrying capacity of your old cutter? And along does a voyage take around Africa take? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 8:06am On May 29, 2015 |
agaugust: The navy's role is to fight at sea not patrol. What decoys? If decoys were effective navies wouldn't be investing expensive in SAM(s) and CIWS. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 8:11am On May 29, 2015 |
agaugust:3rd Generation PL-9C. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 8:19am On May 29, 2015 |
agaugust:Citation needed. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:11am On May 29, 2015 |
agaugust: Nigeria has no warships - your "reserve" vessels will be useless in war Thus Nigeria has no navy Only a pathetic navy will brag of 50 year old second hand cutters San has 3 operational frigates and 3 operational submarines 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 9:11am On May 29, 2015 |
agaugust: Prove it Liar |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 11:08am On May 29, 2015 |
agaugust:lol |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:45pm On May 29, 2015 |
Patchesagain: The emotions you South-Africans display over your half-french Rooivalk issue is amazing!!!!! 1. Rooivalk orders were caught because you government could not afford them. 2. Enough evidence has been provided, the Half-french AH was rejected by 5+ countries. 3. The Turks wanted a Helicopter they could domestically build. The Apache or EADS Tiger weren't going to provide that. The A-129 was rightly chosen over your obsolete AH because it is top to bottom a considerably better platform. It is because it has obsolete systems on board, it lost. Patrick, believe me, i'd rather talk about something else, but insistence of you South-Africans in distorting facts and giving your AH un-deserved plaudits means those in the know have to put that AH in it's rightful garbage. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 12:48pm On May 29, 2015 |
MikeCZAR: The Navy's role is the protect a Nation against any territorial threats from the sea. 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:54pm On May 29, 2015 |
Henry120: Emotional? You are obsessed with it!! 1. Rooivalk was cut because the size and budget of the SANDF was cut. FACT 2. You have provided ZERO evidence to support these claims 3. And yet they competed, and yet the Rooivalk outperformed them How is the A-129 better than the Rooivalk? Yet again, you say its better, but are unable to say how or why. I know why you say its better - because of your jealous obsession with the Rooivalk. It burns your guts that we have made such a fantastic platform, and you will do anything in your power to undermine it. Henry, the capabilities of the Rooivalk have been laid out for all on this forum to see. The age of the systems that provide these capabilities is irrelevant when your own attack helicopters dont have said capabilities and when said capabilities are comparable to systems such as the Apache, Z-10, ATAK, HAL, KA-50/52 et al. So I recommend you do the following before continuing your pathetic assault on the Rooivalk: 1. Aquire a system that has similar or better capabilities than the Rooivalk 2. Design and build an attack helicopter in Nigeria Until you have done the two above, you have no right nor any standing to comment on the Rooivalk. What is happening right now is a poor man sitting in a VW polo is insulting a rich man sitting in a Mercedes Benz C-class by saying that his C-Class is not as good as a brand new C-class - yet - the poor man forgets that he himself drives a sh1tty polo |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 12:55pm On May 29, 2015 |
Henry120: And your navy is incapable of doing that Hence it is not a navy but a coast guard |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:01pm On May 29, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Don't be naive. All my posts come with their appropriate citations. Including those from Denel. Your AH runs on 30 years old computers. It's primarily because of it's age the Rooivalk is considered obsolete. Dinosaur....... funny that's one of the terms used in describing your AH. I just wonder what i should be jealous of, I fail to see it. You South-Africans branding Nigerians jealous at every turn are misplaced, go display you emotions to your government. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:12pm On May 29, 2015 |
Henry120: Henry Your "citations" are one outdated opinion piece and one Janes artical that you interpreted in a very particular way and that at the same time can be interpreted in a very different way by others. As usual, you have made a big fuss by reposting the same trash over and over again. The age of sub-systems is irrelevant when they provide capabilities that YOUR platforms do not have and when those capabilities match those of platforms such as the ATAK Our "obsolete" Rooivalk is still better than your brand new Hind M... is that why you are so desperate to attack the Rooivalk? Is it the fact that we build better platforms than you can afford to buy? Your complete and utter obsession (you have dedicated a whole week of your life to the Rooivalk) demonstrates that you have some major emotional hangups over the platform. Again, I say: 1. Buy a platform with similar or better capabilities to the Rooivalk 2. Design and built an attack helicopter with simular capabilities to the Rooivalk Then you can comment on the Rooivalk. You have not earned the right to critique it, no basis for attacking it - you can pull it down all you want, it is still better than anything in your arsenal and decades ahead of anything in Southern Africa And that, is what is important. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:13pm On May 29, 2015 |
Patchesagain: He has now gone into full attack Henry mode!!! Let me remind you, personal attacks on me doesn't make your Half-French Rooivalk less obsolete. It was obsolete before your attacks, obsolete during your attacks and still obsolete after them. Go cry to your government. |
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