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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:16pm On May 29, 2015 |
Henry120: Henry, why do you avoid the real content of the post? Why do you allways avoid a discussion about the capabilities of the platform? It doesnt matter how old the platform is when it has the same capabilities as others in its category and is dramatically better than anything you have. The Rooivalk could run on steam and potatoes - and it is still better than anything you have or ever will have. And what makes it even better is that we built and designed it. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Nobody: 1:16pm On May 29, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Emotions!!!!! Buhahahahahahahahahaha..... |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:19pm On May 29, 2015 |
Henry120: I see that you are still unable to respond to the actual content of my post. The simple, undeniable, fact remains: Age of Rooivalk sub-systems are irrelevant when we have a platform with capabilities that you do not have. Attack it all you want, it remains the best attack helicopter South of the North African states - and its pretty close to what they have. I remind you for the umpteenth time - the age of subsystems is irrelevant, this is a discussion about capabilities. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 1:30pm On May 29, 2015 |
After much irritation, I have decided to compare the Hind-M and the Rooivalk so that there is a permanent record of their capabilities on this forum> Rooivalk in blue Hind in Green From the same source Rooivalk Specifications: Thales TopOwl Helmets - A Thales Avionics TopOwl helmet-mounted sight display (HMSD) provides the crew with a head-up display of information for nap-of-the-earth flight (NOE). - TopOwl incorporates an integrated measurement system for directing an articulated weapon such as the cannon, or air-to-air missile seeker heads (look to kill capabilities). Hind-M does not have any-such system Electronic Warfare and countermeasures - Rooivalk's electronic warfare suite is the fully integrated helicopter electronic warfare self-protection suite (HEWSPS) - incorporates: radar warning, laser warning and countermeasures dispensing system. - The system is flight-line programmable and in-flight adaptable to match the threat library with the mission's area of operation. -radar warner features low-effective radiated power (ERP) / pulse Doppler radar detection beyond radar detection range, ultra broadband frequency coverage, high pulse density handling and internal instantaneous frequency measurement. - laser warner provides broadband laser frequency coverage to detect and display rangefinding, designating and missile guidance laser threats. - the countermeasures dispensing system, which is operated in manual, semi-automatic or fully automatic mode, is charged with chaff and flare cartridges. The countermeasures suite of Mi-35M includes a radar warning receiver, a laser range finder and a location finder, chaff and flare launch system, infrared (IR) jamming system and engine-exhaust IR suppressor. TDATS (Target detection, acquisition and tracking) - The TDATS sight is equipped with a low-level television sensor - Forward-looking infrared (FLIR) - autotracker - laser rangefinder - laser designator. Navigation - Doppler radar velocity sensor - Thales Avionics eight-channel global positioning system - heading sensor unit and an air data unit. Communication - two VHF/UHF transceivers with FM, AM with digital speech processing - one HF radio with frequency hopping - secure voice and data channels - and an IFF transponder. The helicopter is equipped with an OPS-24N surveillance-and-sighting station, a television channel, a GPS-guided navigation system and an optional non-Russian radio station. http://www.army-technology.com/projects/rooivalk/ http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mi-35m-hind-e/ 2 Likes |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:10pm On May 29, 2015 |
[size=16pt] Patchesagain: Story has just begun ! I said Warrior class does not outrange P18N OPV because it is impossible for a small boat to stay at sea longer than a long endurance OPV. Warrior class OPV carries fuel for 3,600 miles, but CANNOT stay at sea on voyage after 10 days, ENDURANCE limit. Notice that I have corrected your Warrior class OPV range, its maximum 3,600 miles not 4,000 miles as you fraudulently claim ! P18N OPV carries fuel for 3,000 miles, but can stay at sea on voyage for 20 days, ENDURANCE limit. Extra fuel in a ship's tank is useless once the time endurance at sea is ended, no more survival for the crew ! They die ! P18N can patrol around Gulf of Guinea for 20 days non-stop, Warrior class will patrol for ONLY 10 days and run back home ![]() ![]() http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=454 The power of an OPV is sustainable patrol time at sea, not extra fuel range when the sailors can no longer survive and ship engine must rest and CANNOT work continuously. P18N 20 days max at sea Warrior boat 10 days max at sea That is why I said the P18N outranges the Warrior class, we double your endurance patrol time at sea. Proved ! No wonder South Africa is crying for project Biro, trying to become like Nigeria, them wanna be like us ![]() ![]() You are the fraudster who said yesterday that P18N range is 2,000 miles, I demanded source and you changed story to 3,000 miles....Fraud, thief, Liar ![]() ![]() [/size] |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 3:11pm On May 29, 2015 |
Henry120:The navy provides naval warfare forces or capability. Your navy can't protect Nigerian against a hostile forces. You know! You can't take the ZA on! 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:15pm On May 29, 2015 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:18pm On May 29, 2015 |
Patchesagain: What is the effectiveness of the Exocet missile? 100% ? . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:20pm On May 29, 2015 |
Patchesagain: What is the effectiveness of the Exocet missile? I will not entertain your argument until you provide stats . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:27pm On May 29, 2015 |
MikeCZAR: Bwahahaaha ![]() ![]() Blue water South African navy has to stop along the way around Africa and beg for food, fuel, drinking water, soap to bath etc from Nigeria to help them sail around Africa.....fake blue water navy ! Nigerian navy will sail around Africa non-stop ! No begging for help ! NNS Thunder sea voyage endurance 45 days SAS Amatola Valour frigate sea voyage endurance at sea 28 days Now who is the real blue water navy that can sail round all coastal nations of Africa non-stop without help ? Nigerian navy ! . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:31pm On May 29, 2015 |
MikeCZAR: NNS Thunder is Hamiliton class OPV, endurance at sea is 45 days, repeated here since 2012 with citations. Google it. South African navy is inferior ![]() ![]() . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:36pm On May 29, 2015 |
MikeCZAR: The navy's role is not to patrol? So why is South Africa using warrior class as OPV and crying for new OPV on project Biro? Yes anti-missile decoys launched by Nigerian P18N OPV built to defeat all enemy anti-ship missiles. If decoys were not effective, navies won't be investing in advanced decoys like our own. I have shocked you guys with Nigerian PJ-24 anti-missile decoy ![]() ![]() . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lionel4power(m): 3:43pm On May 29, 2015 |
patches689:lol... You crack me up, u your ignorance is spectacular. So this is your tactical advantage?. For the sake of argument lemme indulge you. *NAF hind has exhibited NOE flying, take it or leave nobody cares. * that depends on the size of the warship, if a sea-king, superpuma, v-22 osprey, NH19, MI-17 e.t.c can fit in warships so would the hind. Please stop disgracing your country. *a backflip WTF! are you kidding me? What do you use that for in real combat? A hind can do barrel rolls for christ sake. *hover in combat.... All helicopters hover, thats why its fvcking called a helicopter. Go back to primary school bro... *advance evasive maneovers... So there is evasive maneovers and there is advanced evasive maneovers? A chopper isnt really fast compare to figter jets thats why you have flares and chaffs to confuse the SAM or enemy aircraft missiles... BTW if your helicopter comes in contact with enemy fighter jet then you've screwed up big time during your planning... So dude actually theres really no such tactical advantage here. Go back to kindergarten. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:44pm On May 29, 2015 |
MikeCZAR: Already proved on this forum many times. P18N 76 mm gun range 10 km effective Valour frigate 76mm gun range 8 km effective. NN will sink SAN at sea, Nigeria is the real blue water king ! ![]() ![]() . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:46pm On May 29, 2015 |
Patchesagain: No, you prove that France sold more Exocet missiles to South Africa in secret, hidden by France from United Nations reporting law. Prove your secret extra missiles . Liar ! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:49pm On May 29, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Coast guards don't buy anti-ship missiles and torpedoes whether active or in reserve. Meanwhile, I have proved Nigerian OPV will sink Valour frigate . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:51pm On May 29, 2015 |
Henry120: Rooivalk, LOL....Obsolete flying tin can. The computers failed during Nap Of Earth flight and crashed in broad daylight ![]() ![]() 11 obsolete helicopters, they even have only 11 units to defend a country bigger than Nigerian land size. How will they cover their territory? . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lionel4power(m): 3:53pm On May 29, 2015 |
patches689:first of all the MI-24 hind are a class of helicopter which are used for airborne assault, anti tank, anti aircraft, anti bunker etc it was always meant to work in teams, it is effective, reliable, affordable and has heavy firepower (unlike your half French), so quantity is a quality on its own... Therefore if everybody is buying the hind and nobody is looking at yours then something is wrong with your rooivalk 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:53pm On May 29, 2015 |
Patchesagain: ....but you said Nigerian NNS Thunder is having old subsystems, so age is not relevant again ? #Self-Defeat ![]() ![]() It's been a bad week for our South African friends on Nairaland . 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:58pm On May 29, 2015 |
Patchesagain: [size=20pt] You forgot to quote where your source says : Mi-35M Hind year 2005 helicopter modern State-Of-The-Art Avionics Rooivalk is NOT state-of-the art....it's not modern.....it's obsolete. Now that is the difference ! . [/size] |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lionel4power(m): 4:44pm On May 29, 2015 |
agaugust:dis SA zombies can be funny... Comparing a gunboat cum opv with a real stealth opv. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 7:39pm On May 29, 2015 |
How to sink an OPV 101 1 Like
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lionel4power(m): 7:52pm On May 29, 2015 |
saengine:that's how to sink a sub... |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by saengine: 9:36pm On May 29, 2015 |
lionel4power: Which Nigeria doesnt have. Next best option...OPV |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 10:11pm On May 29, 2015 |
agaugust:Prove it! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 10:12pm On May 29, 2015 |
agaugust:Stripped down Hamilton cutter. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 10:18pm On May 29, 2015 |
agaugust:Because the navy has been tasked to patrol the waters in the Mozambiquean channel. How? Do you even know how the PJ-24 works? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 10:20pm On May 29, 2015 |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 10:21pm On May 29, 2015 |
lionel4power:what gunboat? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 10:22pm On May 29, 2015 |
agaugust:LOL ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 10:27pm On May 29, 2015 |
agaugust:substantiate this claims. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lionel4power(m): 10:56pm On May 29, 2015 |
MikeCZAR:dude your warrior class is a direct copy of the Israeli sa'ar 4 missile boat which has roots as a gunboat... Since ur warrior class doesn't have missiles onboard now its technically a gunboat with two 76mm gun... Seriously im i arguing with kids here. |
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