Patchesagain:


You dont have any active warships

No, you said it can sink a Valour Frigate... you have yet to prove it.

Patchesagain:


So you article confirms that South Africa is a BRICS nation?

Well done on killing you argument?

MINT remains a fantasy

BRICS is a reality

China And Russia chose RSA over Nigeria

Thanks forbade help

agaugust:


-Prove to us with source that Hind cannot hover. Hovering is a normal helicopter capability.

-Backflip is for air show aerobatics display, not combat. Helicopter facing the enemy, then does backflip and faces the same enemy again, any sense in that? The pilots will be sh.ot down by anti-aircraft during his backflip, the helicopter cannot fire during a backflip you dundee !

- helicopters don't need air to air advanced maneuvers to attack a ground target. It's not jet vs jet dogfight in the air. Olodo man !

- Hind taking off? Where is the dust from the rotors blowing the desert soil ?

Photo 1 : NAF Hind doing successful combat zone Nap Of Earth flight in which Rooivalk failed and crashed in broad daylight
Photo 2 & 3 : Combat helicopter talking off and raising heavy dust as usual
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agaugust:


Yes, we have active warships, with anti-missile decoys and guns with longer range than Valour frigate.

Our $100 million OPV will sink your $300 million Frigate and Mandela's investment will be wasted in few minutes
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Patchesagain:


The size of the combat fleet is not dictated by the size of your country

lezz:
[b]“It is tough for the BRIC countries to all repeat their remarkable growth rates” of the first decade of this century, said O’Neill, a Bloomberg View columnist and former chairman of Goldman Sachs Asset Management International. “There was a lot of very powerful and fortuitous forces taking place, some of which have now [/b]gone.” lolz Zulu and comprehension don't go hand in hand.
What my post is telling you is despite your back door invitation by authentic BRIC members, the inventor and originator of BRIC is saying you are not a member. YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE and ECONOMY DO NOT QUALIFY YOU . Economists and analyst are saying you are not a BRIC country. Mind, this was in 2013 , it is a settled matter now, your ouster that is.

Here is further proof:
Note that countries are actually disqualified.

agaugust:


Provide proof that it cannot, you are the one saying PJ-46 anti-missile system does not work, so prove it !

P18N OPV of Nigeria will defeat ALL Southie Valour frigate missiles.

Now you don't have 17 Exocets, you have done test firing on your 4 ships as claimed by SAN navy officer @Andrewza and others like @Snydergp of SANDF, @Saengine and others.

Means SAN has ONLY 13 Excoet missiles remaining, enough for one and a half Frigates, no wonder you keep only one frigate operational
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Patchesagain:


OMG

This is hilarious

Read your own source

agaugust:


Nigeria provided for 50 combat helicopters to protect land the size of Scotland.

Sudan provided for about 50 combat helicopters to defend similar land size.

South Africa is poor;y protected with 11 combat helicopters on same land size....Fools
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Patchesagain:


What capabilities does the Thunder have that SAN does not have?

lezz:
You will kill yourself, ole BRIC. Menu Search
BRIC in Danger of Becoming ‘IC,’ Says Acronym Coiner O’Neill
5:01 PM WAT January 8, 2015
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Jim O'Neill
(Bloomberg) -- Brazil and Russia’s membership of the BRICs may expire by the end of this decade if they fail to revive their flagging economies, according to Jim O’Neill, the former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. chief economist who coined the acronym.
Asked if he would still group Brazil, Russia, India and China together as emerging market powerhouses as he did in 2001, O’Neill said in an e-mail “I might be tempted to call it just ’IC’ or if the next three years are the same as the last for Brazil and Russia I might in 2019!!”
The BRIC grouping will be dragged down by a 1.8 percent contraction in Russia and less than 1 percent expansion in Brazil, according to the median estimate of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News. China is seen growing 7 percent and India 5.5 percent.
The BRICs were still booming as recently as 2007 with Russia expanding 8.5 percent and Brazil in excess of 6 percent that year. The bull market in commodities that helped propel growth in those nations has since ended, while Russia has been battered by sanctions linked to the crisis in Ukraine and Brazil has grappled with an unprecedented corruption scandal involving its state-owned oil company.
“It is tough for the BRIC countries to all repeat their remarkable growth rates” of the first decade of this century, said O’Neill, a Bloomberg View columnist and former chairman of Goldman Sachs Asset Management International. “There was a lot of very powerful and fortuitous forces taking place, some of which have now gone.”
Growth Recovery
The growth slump this year isn’t a new normal though and O’Neill sees expansion in Brazil and Russia partially recovering, helping the BRICs average about 6 percent growth per annum this decade -- still more than double the average for the Group of Seven nations.
Their share of global gross domestic product will “rise sharply,” he said.
O’Neill had previously estimated average annual growth of 6.6 percent for the BRICs this decade, a pace it was close to achieving through last year mainly because China exceeded the 7.5 percent annual average growth he estimated for the first three years, he said.
Unlike Brazil and Russia, China is embracing economic change while India, after the election of Narendra Modi as prime minister and benefiting from low oil prices and a young labor pool, may have brighter prospects this decade than last, O’Neill said.
With China and India spurring growth, the BRICs will remain the most dominant and positive force in the world economy “easily,” said O’Neill.
China, India
China growing at 7 percent will add about $1 trillion nominally to global output every year, O’Neill said. When measured by purchasing power parity, China’s growth adds twice as much as the U.S.’s, he said. India expanding at 6 percent will add twice as much as the U.K. in those terms, he said.
“Their consumption is increasingly key for global consumption and which markets were amongst the world’s strongest in 2014? China and India both were up significantly,” he said. “So many investors are herd like, they probably have already forgotten the BRIC’s but it is silly. They are the most important influence in the world.”
A prediction in his book, “The Growth Map,” that the BRICs economies would overtake the U.S. in size this year will be delayed likely until 2017 primarily by the drag from Russia, O’Neill said.
The founding of the BRIC’s Development Bank signals the group’s influence in global economic affairs will rise, O’Neill said.
By 2035, the BRICs will be as big as the Group of Seven nations while China is in “a reasonable position” to be bigger than the U.S. in 2027 and India may overtake France to become the world’s fifth biggest economy by 2017, “certainly before 2020,” he said.
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This $18,000 Bottle of Wine May Be Undrinkable
There's only one way to find out. Cheers!
by Thomas Buckley
1:32 PM WAT May 29, 2015
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A bottle of one of the world's rarest wines sold for $18,000 at a London auction Thursday. There's just one problem - it may be undrinkable.
The Chateau Mouton Rothschild 1945 went to a private collector in Europe, auction house Bonhams said. The selling price - which equals about $1,500 a glass and could cover a Learjet charter from London to Saint-Tropez - was at the low end of expectations because the vintage suffered from oxidation, according to Richard Harvey, Bonhams' global head of wine.
The ullage, an industry term which refers to the space between the wine and the bottom of the cork, was below the neck of the bottle, '' which points to an increased chance of the wine being oxidized and undrinkable,'' Harvey said in an interview before the sale. Had it been in better condition, the 70-year-old bottle, part of a vintage described by critic Michael Broadbent as the "Churchill of wine," could have fetched twice the 10,000-pound ($15,000) to 15,000-pound range Bonhams had estimated in its sale catalog.

The 70-year-old bottle of Chateau Mouton Rothschild.
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Even spoiled, the claret is sought after for its historical value. The V on its label, designed by the French illustrator Philippe Jullian to celebrate the Allies' victory over Nazi Germany in the Second World War, also represents triumph over difficult weather conditions for Bordeaux vineyards at the time, including heavy frost and a heatwave that led to a drought.
At 11,750 pounds, which includes a fee of 1,750 pounds to cover administrative costs, the bottle's price would cover the full tuition for a year at the London School of Economics. In its catalog, Bonhams says ullage levels increase with age but the house only auctions wines it considers to be in sound condition.
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Patchesagain:


Nigerian Navy has no ability to engage in ASW

Augustus himself admitted that one SAN sub can sink your entire navy

agaugust:


NNS Thunder ALONE has enough range to patrol around Africa without need of re-supply 45 days endurance at sea, SAN needs to send out TWO ships, Valour frigate CANNOT patrol Africa alone, a whole SAS Drakensberg re-supply ship must be following it about like husband and wife

We out-range you in blue water force projection
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agaugust:


I never said so, quote where I said that !

Nigerian navy will sink your Soweto submarine !

Patchesagain:


Pic related = argument destroyed

Drakensburg brah

agaugust:


Is SAS Drakensberg your Frigate or OPV ?

Mumu cannot argue on point...he is wrecked by Thunder OPV....struck by thunder
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Patchesagain:


It will never be a gun-fight because the Valour Class has missiles and your OPV does not

Patchesagain:


We have warships

You do not

That is the difference between a navy and a coast gaurd

Now - you say it will defeat all missiles? Provide proof!

Patchesagain:


How will the Alpha jet sink a submarine?

MikeCZAR:
You don't know what you're talking about troll.

The warrior class OPVs have a single 76mm super rapid naval gun.

It would seem you're the kid and no one is arguing with you. Maybe you thought this was a kid thread.

MikeCZAR:
Nigeria doesn't have the Hamilton cutter.
Your OPV is a stripped down version of the cutter.

agaugust:


our OPV anti-missile decoys will defeat your Valour ship missiles

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agaugust:


You are the one disputing anti-missile decoy, so provide proof that it will not defeat a missile
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agaugust:


You want more sea warfare lessons? You should be paying me school fees
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agaugust:


You fvcking lair !

South African navy does NOT have any 76mm super rapid naval gun !

You have old school 76mm compact....obsolescent gun is all your over-rated navy has
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agaugust:


Hamilton cutter was stripped down for the US Coast Guard use many years ago. The Americans used the stripped down version with no missiles and CIWS, that's all they removed and the Americans used it like that for many years.

Nothing was stripped off again before transfer to Nigeria, the strip down was done for American use, not Nigerian use.

Learn to use google, don't be lazy.

lionel4power:
slowpoke it initially had two 76mm guns with one removed to make space. Its still a gunboat.

saengine:
After the retirement of the Cactus system, the SA Army only really had 35 mm guns for air defence. It's good to see that the Ground Based Air Defence System (GBADS) is coming along nicely, and that army planners are thinking ahead. Instead of rushing to implement systems at the last hour.

GBADS Phase 1. Short range Starstreak missile and launchers. Operational.




GBADS Phase 2. Ugrade of twin 35 mm guns with Skyshield FCU and AHEAD ammunition. Ongoing.




GBADS Phase 2 Continued. 20km range land-based Umkhonto missile launchers. Testing and evaluation phase.
From what I know the hardware (missiles, launch containers, etc) is ready, while the fire control software is being tweaked and finalized
by the likes of CSIR and Reutech Radar Systems.

jln115:
India arrests pigeon accused of spying for Pakistan
http://www.theverge.com/2015/5/29/8685369/india-arrests-pigeon-spy-pakistan

saengine:
Lol. A certain un-named f00l is planning on firing unguided rockets into water using Alpha jets, in the hope of sinking a submarine .

Not to mention the fact that Umkhonto would have long shot down any Alpha jets nearby, before they can execute such a stu.pid plan.

agaugust:


You fvcking lair !

South African navy does NOT have any 76mm super rapid naval gun !

You have old school 76mm compact....obsolescent gun is all your over-rated navy has
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agaugust:


Hamilton cutter was stripped down for the US Coast Guard use many years ago. The Americans used the stripped down version with no missiles and CIWS, that's all they removed and the Americans used it like that for many years.

Nothing was stripped off again before transfer to Nigeria, the strip down was done for American use, not Nigerian use.

Learn to use google, don't be lazy.