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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:18pm On May 30, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Yes, we have active warships, with anti-missile decoys and guns with longer range than Valour frigate. Our $100 million OPV will sink your $300 million Frigate and Mandela's investment will be wasted in few minutes ![]() ![]() . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 2:19pm On May 30, 2015 |
[b]“It is tough for the BRIC countries to all repeat their remarkable growth rates” of the first decade of this century, said O’Neill, a Bloomberg View columnist and former chairman of Goldman Sachs Asset Management International. “There was a lot of very powerful and fortuitous forces taking place, some of which have now [/b]gone.” Patchesagain:lolz Zulu and comprehension don't go hand in hand. What my post is telling you is despite your back door invitation by authentic BRIC members, the inventor and originator of BRIC is saying you are not a member. YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE and ECONOMY DO NOT QUALIFY YOU . Economists and analyst are saying you are not a BRIC country. Mind, this was in 2013 , it is a settled matter now, your ouster that is. Here is further proof: Note that countries are actually disqualified. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:19pm On May 30, 2015 |
agaugust: - i said the hind cannot hover in combat - you said scorpion maneuver is usefull for fighter jets in combat. Why is a backflip now not usefull? - advanced combat maneuvers are used to avoid enemy ground fire and move quickly from firing position to firing position - Hind M is incapable of NOE flight, hence, it is taking off. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:20pm On May 30, 2015 |
agaugust: And we have stealth frigates with 17 missiles Your OPV doesnt stand a chance. Now - unless the decoy dispencer is 100% effective against up 17 threats, your OPV does not stand a chance So, provide proof please |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:22pm On May 30, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Nigeria provided for 50 combat helicopters to protect land the size of Scotland. Sudan provided for about 50 combat helicopters to defend similar land size. South Africa is poor;y protected with 11 combat helicopters on same land size....Fools ![]() ![]() . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:22pm On May 30, 2015 |
lezz: Are you saying that BRICS is not an Invention of Russia, India and China but rather the invention of one man? OMG!! DUDE!!! WHAT ARE YOU DOING!?!? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:24pm On May 30, 2015 |
agaugust: Prove how many exocets SAN has fired. Until you do - SAN has 17. Unless your decoy dispenser is 100% effective your OPV will be sunk. So, if your one OPV stands a chance against to fully armed Valour Class frigates you must prove 100% decoy efficiency |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by lezz(m): 2:25pm On May 30, 2015 |
Patchesagain:You will kill yourself, ole BRIC. Menu Search BRIC in Danger of Becoming ‘IC,’ Says Acronym Coiner O’Neill 5:01 PM WAT January 8, 2015 Share on FacebookShare on Twitter Jim O'Neill (Bloomberg) -- Brazil and Russia’s membership of the BRICs may expire by the end of this decade if they fail to revive their flagging economies, according to Jim O’Neill, the former Goldman Sachs Group Inc. chief economist who coined the acronym. Asked if he would still group Brazil, Russia, India and China together as emerging market powerhouses as he did in 2001, O’Neill said in an e-mail “I might be tempted to call it just ’IC’ or if the next three years are the same as the last for Brazil and Russia I might in 2019!!” The BRIC grouping will be dragged down by a 1.8 percent contraction in Russia and less than 1 percent expansion in Brazil, according to the median estimate of economists surveyed by Bloomberg News. China is seen growing 7 percent and India 5.5 percent. The BRICs were still booming as recently as 2007 with Russia expanding 8.5 percent and Brazil in excess of 6 percent that year. The bull market in commodities that helped propel growth in those nations has since ended, while Russia has been battered by sanctions linked to the crisis in Ukraine and Brazil has grappled with an unprecedented corruption scandal involving its state-owned oil company. “It is tough for the BRIC countries to all repeat their remarkable growth rates” of the first decade of this century, said O’Neill, a Bloomberg View columnist and former chairman of Goldman Sachs Asset Management International. “There was a lot of very powerful and fortuitous forces taking place, some of which have now gone.” Growth Recovery The growth slump this year isn’t a new normal though and O’Neill sees expansion in Brazil and Russia partially recovering, helping the BRICs average about 6 percent growth per annum this decade -- still more than double the average for the Group of Seven nations. Their share of global gross domestic product will “rise sharply,” he said. O’Neill had previously estimated average annual growth of 6.6 percent for the BRICs this decade, a pace it was close to achieving through last year mainly because China exceeded the 7.5 percent annual average growth he estimated for the first three years, he said. Unlike Brazil and Russia, China is embracing economic change while India, after the election of Narendra Modi as prime minister and benefiting from low oil prices and a young labor pool, may have brighter prospects this decade than last, O’Neill said. With China and India spurring growth, the BRICs will remain the most dominant and positive force in the world economy “easily,” said O’Neill. China, India China growing at 7 percent will add about $1 trillion nominally to global output every year, O’Neill said. When measured by purchasing power parity, China’s growth adds twice as much as the U.S.’s, he said. India expanding at 6 percent will add twice as much as the U.K. in those terms, he said. “Their consumption is increasingly key for global consumption and which markets were amongst the world’s strongest in 2014? China and India both were up significantly,” he said. “So many investors are herd like, they probably have already forgotten the BRIC’s but it is silly. They are the most important influence in the world.” A prediction in his book, “The Growth Map,” that the BRICs economies would overtake the U.S. in size this year will be delayed likely until 2017 primarily by the drag from Russia, O’Neill said. The founding of the BRIC’s Development Bank signals the group’s influence in global economic affairs will rise, O’Neill said. By 2035, the BRICs will be as big as the Group of Seven nations while China is in “a reasonable position” to be bigger than the U.S. in 2027 and India may overtake France to become the world’s fifth biggest economy by 2017, “certainly before 2020,” he said. To contact Bloomberg News staff for this story: Kevin Hamlin in Beijing at khamlin@bloomberg.net To contact the editors responsible for this story: Malcolm Scott at mscott23@bloomberg.net Rina Chandran Brazil Russia China India Oil Bull Market Ukraine Oil Prices Labor Photographer: Sofie Delauw/Getty Images WINE This $18,000 Bottle of Wine May Be Undrinkable There's only one way to find out. Cheers! by Thomas Buckley 1:32 PM WAT May 29, 2015 Share on FacebookShare on Twitter A bottle of one of the world's rarest wines sold for $18,000 at a London auction Thursday. There's just one problem - it may be undrinkable. The Chateau Mouton Rothschild 1945 went to a private collector in Europe, auction house Bonhams said. The selling price - which equals about $1,500 a glass and could cover a Learjet charter from London to Saint-Tropez - was at the low end of expectations because the vintage suffered from oxidation, according to Richard Harvey, Bonhams' global head of wine. The ullage, an industry term which refers to the space between the wine and the bottom of the cork, was below the neck of the bottle, '' which points to an increased chance of the wine being oxidized and undrinkable,'' Harvey said in an interview before the sale. Had it been in better condition, the 70-year-old bottle, part of a vintage described by critic Michael Broadbent as the "Churchill of wine," could have fetched twice the 10,000-pound ($15,000) to 15,000-pound range Bonhams had estimated in its sale catalog. The 70-year-old bottle of Chateau Mouton Rothschild. Source: Bonhams Even spoiled, the claret is sought after for its historical value. The V on its label, designed by the French illustrator Philippe Jullian to celebrate the Allies' victory over Nazi Germany in the Second World War, also represents triumph over difficult weather conditions for Bordeaux vineyards at the time, including heavy frost and a heatwave that led to a drought. At 11,750 pounds, which includes a fee of 1,750 pounds to cover administrative costs, the bottle's price would cover the full tuition for a year at the London School of Economics. In its catalog, Bonhams says ullage levels increase with age but the house only auctions wines it considers to be in sound condition. Don't Miss: How to Judge a Great Wine List Auctions Pursuits Pursuits Food Wine Terms of Service Trademarks Privacy Policy ©2015 Bloomberg L.P. All Rights Reserved Careers Made in NYC Advertise Ad Choices Website Feedback Help 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:25pm On May 30, 2015 |
agaugust: Nigeria has less than 50 Hinds Our 11 Rooivalks have a higher combat efficiency than the Hinds and thus compensate for their lack of numbers Quality > Quantity And again, the size of our Rooivalk fleet is not dictated by the size of the country, but by combat needs. Specifically, the protection of an Air-Assault Brigade, or Combined-Arms operations with an Amored/Mech Brigade That is all. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:26pm On May 30, 2015 |
Patchesagain: NNS Thunder ALONE has enough range to patrol around Africa without need of re-supply 45 days endurance at sea, SAN needs to send out TWO ships, Valour frigate CANNOT patrol Africa alone, a whole SAS Drakensberg re-supply ship must be following it about like husband and wife ![]() We out-range you in blue water force projection ![]() . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:27pm On May 30, 2015 |
lezz: Again, you post the opinion of one man. I seriously think that you have no idea just what BRICS is. Do you think that this man invented BRICS? Did he e-mail Russia, India, Brazil and China and tell them to sign treaties and work together? You are a fvkcing bufoon of the tallest order. Into the trash you go. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:28pm On May 30, 2015 |
Patchesagain: I never said so, quote where I said that ! Nigerian navy will sink your Soweto submarine ! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:29pm On May 30, 2015 |
agaugust: Augustus. Do you know what force projection is? Do you know what blue-water capability is? It is the ability to project force Valour Class is a warship - it can sail into your waters and fight a war Hamilton is a customs boat - it can sail into your waters and check your paperwork You have no force porjection because you have no warships 1 Like |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:30pm On May 30, 2015 |
agaugust: You said so on beegugugugg's blog It has been posted here many times |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:30pm On May 30, 2015 |
Patchesagain: Is SAS Drakensberg your Frigate or OPV ? Mumu cannot argue on point...he is wrecked by Thunder OPV....struck by thunder ![]() . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:31pm On May 30, 2015 |
agaugust: Its a supply vessel It extends the Valour Classes range Have you been drinking today? You must be if you think that a 50 year old warship is in the same class as a modern FFG |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:32pm On May 30, 2015 |
Patchesagain: It will end as a gun fight, our OPV anti-missile decoys will defeat your Valour ship missiles, then only guns will remain. Our OPV has superior gun firepower range, NN will sink SAN ships in one day. No wonder your Drakensberg ship ran away from West Africa because Nigeria commanded South African navy to run back home or die ![]() ![]() . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:33pm On May 30, 2015 |
Patchesagain: You are the one disputing anti-missile decoy, so provide proof that it will not defeat a missile . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:34pm On May 30, 2015 |
Patchesagain: You want more sea warfare lessons? You should be paying me school fees . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:37pm On May 30, 2015 |
MikeCZAR: You fvcking lair ! South African navy does NOT have any 76mm super rapid naval gun ! You have old school 76mm compact....obsolescent gun is all your over-rated navy has . |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 2:39pm On May 30, 2015 |
MikeCZAR: Hamilton cutter was stripped down for the US Coast Guard use many years ago. The Americans used the stripped down version with no missiles and CIWS, that's all they removed and the Americans used it like that for many years. Nothing was stripped off again before transfer to Nigeria, the strip down was done for American use, not Nigerian use. Learn to use google, don't be lazy. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:46pm On May 30, 2015 |
agaugust: Provide proof that this will happen |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:47pm On May 30, 2015 |
agaugust: I am not saying that it wont defeat a missile you are saying that it will defeat all 17 missiles. Provide proof. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:47pm On May 30, 2015 |
agaugust: Yes, tell us how an Alpha jet will sink a submarine |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:48pm On May 30, 2015 |
agaugust: A navy with 4 missile armed frigates and 3 subs is "over-rated" What does that make your navy? |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by Patchesagain: 2:49pm On May 30, 2015 |
agaugust: It never had missiles in the first place Americans stripped all their equipment from it Its a stripped down 50 year old broken down man |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 2:57pm On May 30, 2015 |
lionel4power:It doesn't two naval guns like you said. Welcome to class! Take a seat behind augubugubu! |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 3:01pm On May 30, 2015 |
saengine:The first phase included the putting in place the command and control system for the GBADS. The Skyshield, Umkhonto and everything else will be integrated into C2 system. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 3:06pm On May 30, 2015 |
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by agaugust: 3:15pm On May 30, 2015 |
saengine: You think I think like you South Africans? No, I think like a Nigerian. F-7 jets will deplete Valour frigate Umkhonto missiles with constant saturation attack maneuvers. F-7 jet speed is same as Umkhonto. Valour Frigate is sunk by P18N OPV using combination of anti-missile decoys and superior firepower 76mm gun range. ATR-42 Surveyor aircraft will detect Type 209 Submarine that must part-surface to snorkel in 48 hours for survival or else it will run out of battery power and die, the ATR-42 calls in maritime Alpha jets to massively rocket blast the submarine out of existence. Your submarine CANNOT detect aircraft while it hides. Guided missile armed drones will track down your Submarine and destroy it with air to surface guided missiles ! Nigeria has so many things to use for destroying the South African navy frigates and submarines. What you guys don't know is that countries have different defense plans/assets. In war, you do not always need a submarine to defeat a submarine, you do not always need a frigate to defeat a frigate. Air power is an enemy of sea power. Nigeria's ocean up to 500 km away our coast is a death zone for any intruder .
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Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 3:15pm On May 30, 2015 |
agaugust:SA navy through Israel bought the 76mm super rapid naval guns to equip the warrior class missile boats. In the early 2000 two of these boats were sunk by the navy during exercises their guns were refurbished and installed on the Valour class frigates. A single missile boats had 2 guns: 2 boats = 4 guns. |
Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeCZAR: 3:20pm On May 30, 2015 |
agaugust:Nigeria received a 1960s donated stripped down cutter from the USA. And Nigerians celebrated! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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